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Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:46 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Trunk Space
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

2. Free Flow Exhausts available
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

3. Re: Tire matching
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

4. Re: Oil Pan Removal
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: rental hauling question
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. Re: Trunk Space
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Black Headlights from Philips DOT approved
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Trunk Space
From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

9. sure a 17 yr old can own a delorean
From: "James La Londe" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

10. Re: Re: In a word, FRAM Oil Filters SUCK!
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

11. Re: In a word, FRAM Oil Filters SUCK!
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

12. Re: Re: rental hauling question
From: "A.H. MacIntosh & Co." <dmc12_at_dml_mlecmn.net>

13. RE: Free Flow Exhausts available
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

14. Re: What I would look for If I bought another "D"
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

15. Re: DeLorean for 17year old
From: Ian Stewart <istewart_at_dml_mac.com>

16. Re: Battery Light always on since alarm removal
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

17. courtesy/door light mod
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: loose vacuum, high idle?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: vacuum leak?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Oil Pan Removal
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Free Flow Exhausts available
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

22. Re: Free Flow Exhausts available
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>

23. DeLorean Problems (Re: FRAM Oil Filters SUCK!)
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

24. Re: Tire matching
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

25. Re: Trunk Space
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:35:05 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Trunk Space

In a message dated 5/8/02 2:05:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
wayne_at_dml_knothole.net writes:


> My Wife and I are going to pick our 1983 Delorean in NY. She would 
> like to know about Trunk Space. We will be drive it back to 
> Jacksonville Fl.. Can Anyone tell me what size bags the trunk Hold. 
> 


Heh Heh.  you wife will hate it!

seriously, you have room for a couple of back packs or small duffle bags in 
front and maybe a couple of blankets, and about as much room in the back 
parcel shelf.  The DeLorean was not built for multi-day vacations.  i 
wouldn't bring anything like suitcases which are unflexible.  soft things 
like gym bags are best!  the back parcel shelf space would be best utilized 
by keeping your toolbox back there for the ride home in case you have 
problems.  toolboxes won't fit up front.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:38:13 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Free Flow Exhausts available

Hi all

Some of you may have picked up on Chris Parnham's post a few days ago. I
have found a firm who are prepared to make, to order, a complete exhaust
system for the DeLorean entirely from 304 polished stainless steel, and
Chris took "Delores" down to see them last week.

The system will comprise of a pair of new manifolds pointing backwards
into a free-flowing silencer (muffler) which mounts exactly as the stock
box. The Cat will therefore be removed, and the silencer will be
free-flowing and as noisy or as quiet as you want. The tailpipes can be
of the 83 style (65mm flared) or 81 style (45mm "pea-shooters")

Chris already has one of his cars booked in for the preliminary work in
July. The jigs they make will be used to create the set for my car
afterwards, to test the jigs. Thereafter the system can be
made-to-order.

The company fabricating the system is www.stainless-exhausts.com I spoke
to them today to confirm the process. Basically the first system they'll
make is unlikely to make them any money, and the price will be fixed
from the first one assuming they are made individually, to order.

However, if enough people are interested, we can get a better price on a
large order. Please let me know what you think.

Currently the price is likely to be around 800 per system.

Martin
#1458
DOC UK




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:11:13 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Tire matching

I must agree these P6000s do look very good, I can't vouch for the handling
as I won't have them on my car until next Friday, However If you want to see
what they look like I have uploaded a picture of Martins into the Photos
section under Techie stuff.

Cheers
Paul
#6463

www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Tire matching


> I have P600s on the back and P6000s on the front. Forget what the tread
> looks like - the printing on the side is the same, and with a bit of
> tyre dressing they look identical (they have this funny grooving which
> reflects the light when wet - looks really cool). The 6000s replaced the
> 600s and in terms of composition are very close (W vs V rating). The
> handling improves dramatically, and I defy anyone to spin the wheels
> with the P600s on the back!
>
> Martin
> #1458
>
> adam_one_million wrote:

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:45:37 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Removal

Heli-coils are good but are not great. The heli-coil is just 
a "spring" like material and it dosn't "bite" into anything when you 
install it. With that said if you try to remove the drain plug with 
the Heli-coil chance are the heli-coil brand will come out with the 
plug. Also if you try to tighten the plug tight to it's torque 
setting you can rip the heli-coil right out and have another problem 
on your hands (happened to me when I tried to repair a waterpump 
thread) There are other better ones...I used ones from Time-sert ( 
http://www.timesert.com/ ) to repair the threads for my exhaust 
manifold bolts. They are solid inserts with a flare at one end to 
seat it in the metal along with teeth to bite into the metal so it 
dosn't come out when you try to remove the bolt...or in this case 
the drain plug. They have metric sizes up to M18, I don't know what 
the drain plug size is.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Try using a thread insert, I believe they are called Heli-Coils, 
> they are often used to replace threads in engine heads for spark 
> plugs . . .

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:50:27 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: rental hauling question

Almost every U-Haul truck has a hitch installed. Go to your local U-
Haul center and look at the truck...rent the smallest one there with 
a hitch. They have to have a hitch installed since most people who 
move want to dolly there car behind them as they drive.

The way I got my car home was I rented the car dolly from U-haul 
(the type where the entire car rolls onto and none of the wheels are 
touching the pavement) and hitched it to the back of my friends 
truck...but it seams like you already have one of these from the 
sound of it.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "delorean502" <delorean502_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm going to be picking up a car in Colorado and have a question.  
I 
> don't want to drive out there with my truck, so I want to rent one 
> and use my flatbed, but every place I call says they don't do 
that.  
> Does anyone know where I can call to rent a truck with a hitch, or 
> rent a flatbed truck?  
> 
> Erik




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:53:08 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Trunk Space

You'll be lucky if you can fit a Gym bag in it! :) Seriously though 
it isn't that big but it can fit one or two flat bags. It's a very 
shallow trunk. There is a shelf behind the seats that you can put 
more bags on though.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "milo4845" <wayne_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> My Wife and I are going to pick our 1983 Delorean in NY. She would 
> like to know about Trunk Space. We will be drive it back to 
> Jacksonville Fl.. Can Anyone tell me what size bags the trunk Hold.




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:22:44 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Black Headlights from Philips DOT approved

[MODERATOR NOTE: Further conversation on the subject should be emailed directly, instead of through the DML.  - Mike Substelny, DML moderating team]

In a message dated 5/8/02 3:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
buickhawk(AT)hotmail.com writes:


> I found some of them in 
> Wisconsin.  If you would like them for your Delorean, e-mail me at 
> 

Hi-
Yeah, I'm definitely interested!  How can I get ahold of a set of these?
-Wayne




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:23:23 -0000
From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Trunk Space

Milo (Wayne??):

My preferred luggage for the trunk is plastic trash bags. Not very 
classy, but they fit well and keep everything dry in case the 
trunklid leaks. Rectangular gym bags go well behind the seat. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "milo4845" <wayne_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> My Wife and I are going to pick our 1983 Delorean in NY. She would 
> like to know about Trunk Space. We will be drive it back to 
> Jacksonville Fl.. Can Anyone tell me what size bags the trunk Hold.




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:04:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James La Londe" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: sure a 17 yr old can own a delorean

 I will be 19 this june. i bought my delorean about 6 months ago. i was.. obviously... 18 then. i believe myself to be the youngest owner (that is, one that owns the car.. not your parents)

i afford my delorean easily, i always find the time and money to work on it. now granted, i have a wonderful job as an insurance salesman (i will be switching to the company i represent very soon... it's not unreasonable... check out Metropolitan or if your employer has benefits through Marsh and Mcclennan try Marsh_at_dml_WorkSolutions/Seabury and Smith), especially for my age, but just putting my opinion that it more than possible for the such a young person to own a dmc-12.  

by the way... i just got the Michigan plate DMC XII... anyone out there have DMC 12.. you ^$%^#!.... just kidding

:P

-James La Londe
vin#001967

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:19:43 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: In a word, FRAM Oil Filters SUCK!

David T is 100% correct.  I hear time and time again how people can save
money on aftermarket items and then end up spending 10 times that amount
correcting the problem.  Oil filters are no exception.  Support our vendors.
They spend time and money answering our questions and showing up for tech
sessions and All of our vendors have helped out someone who got stranded at
a Spring social or two.  These guys even spend time making new and improved
parts for our delorean so it is safer and up to 2002 standards.  Without the
handful of vendors, where would we go for parts or service?  It would make
our delorean maintenance a living nightmare.  PJ Grady sells oil filters for
$12.73.  How much are you really going to save by purchasing an aftermarket
item? Just my two cents worth.

Joseph Molino
vin 2850


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:01:44 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: In a word, FRAM Oil Filters SUCK!

Hm, oil filters have directions?  Maybe I should check....

I guess I've never put one on that tight; I've never had leaks and also
never had to treat one like I treat my vampires (stabbing with
screwdriver)...

I'd believe that overheating the engine would cook the filter.  I guess
if you ever have these circumstances, some filters will handle the abuse
better than others.  None of my Japanese cars have overheated and are
basically problem free.  It is easy to judge mediocre oil filter
performance when one has no reason to expect exceptional performance.

Of course, this still brings me back to one conclusion- the Delorean
needs parts that have exceptional performance under multiple (bad)
conditions, because bad conditions happen more often with this car.  

Jim
1537


On Tue, 7 May 2002 22:10:34 -0400 "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net> writes:
> > If you could not get the filter off you should be ashamed of 
> > putting it on so tight.  It did not tighten itself.
> 
> Now, now, Jim.  Be polite.  :-)  All filters I have ever come across 
> say to tighten somewhere between 3/4 to 1 full turn after the gasket

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:42:02 -0500
From: "A.H. MacIntosh & Co." <dmc12_at_dml_mlecmn.net>
Subject: Re: Re: rental hauling question

U-hell trucks have a 2 1/8" ball WELDED in place... it's an odd size, and
pretty much precludes using anything but u-hell equipment. I had arrived to
pickup my car, and the u-hell place didn't have the auto transport (their
name for the whole car trailer). I tried to use one from another rental CO,
and found the two were not compatible. (Oh, joy) For me it was FAR cheaper
to fly one way, and rent the POS truck to get back... besides, if your truck
turns out to be anything like the 198ish ford clapped-out diesel I got, one
way is FAR more enjoyment than any person needs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 17:50
Subject: [DML] Re: rental hauling question


> Almost every U-Haul truck has a hitch installed. Go to your local U-
> Haul center and look at the truck...rent the smallest one there with
> a hitch. They have to have a hitch installed since most people who
> move want to dolly there car behind them as they drive.
>
> The way I got my car home was I rented the car dolly from U-haul
> (the type where the entire car rolls onto and none of the wheels are
> touching the pavement) and hitched it to the back of my friends
> truck...but it seams like you already have one of these from the
> sound of it.
>
> Steve

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:20:31 -0700
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Free Flow Exhausts available

Martin, 

I couldn't find www.stainless-exhausts.com, as you referenced, but I
believe I found them at http://www.stainless-exhausts.co.uk/.

Gary
IN2TIME





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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:54:42 EDT
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: What I would look for If I bought another "D"

Look for rust in the front crumple tube area that supports the radiator/fan 
assy and front torsion bar. Look for peeling epoxy everywhere on the frame.

Pull the mat out of the trunk and check if the access covers have been 
removed and are loose. If loose ckeck for broken/siezed rivnuts. With the 
covers off you can see the fuel pump boot and boot cover. It's probably shot 
if it was stored with gas in it.

If the car was sitting for a long time elevate the front wheels and turn the 
front wheels from lock to lock by grasping the tire itself. If it's not 
smooth you may have rack, u-joint, ball joint or steering column bushing 
issues.

Check the speedo angle drive.

Look under the drivers side dash where the clutch pedal push rod passes thru 
the fire wall into the clutch master cyl. If there is any sign of brake fluid 
the clutch mast cyl is shot.
Engage and release the parking brake. See if it actually works.....
Check all the headliners on both the T section and the doors. Push on the 
fabric with your finger. If it compresses and doesn't immediately return to 
its orig position the foam backing has rotted away and will need all new 
headliner.

Run the heater fan, all speeds....noisy?

Not complete but some additional things to consider.
Jim 6147



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:22:00 -0700
From: Ian Stewart <istewart_at_dml_mac.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean for 17year old

(sincere apologies for length of message)

Hello again, list,

I felt I should reply to this topic since I'm a young person (probably 
considered very young at 15) looking for a DeLorean. Like a lot of 
people, I was first introduced to the car by the Back to the Future 
trilogy. The car quickly joined a red Porsche 911 at the top of my 
"must-have cars" list. However, since I was about 7 or 8 years old at 
the time, I was more than happy with the back seat of my mother's VW 
Vanagon (an awesome vehicle in its own right, but there's a Vanagon list 
elsewhere. :)) More lately, using the modern miracle of the Internet, 
I've done a lot of research on the DeLorean at sites such as dmcnews and 
Tamir's excellent site. I've heard reports of people getting 30 MPG in a 
D, and for now economy is more important to me than performance (I'm 
still saving up for that 911). However, the "coolness factor" is still 
extant, and the DeLorean has been and always will be tops in that 
category.
	Like a lot of people (especially those in my age bracket), my 
primary concern is the cost of the vehicle. Using this as a basis for 
reasoning, it is almost completely illogical that I'm looking for a 
DeLorean. However, I'd be willing to put in the copious amounts of time 
and money (well, as much money as I can put... college looms, after all) 
to restore one, and I really think that'd be a better experience than 
buying a perfect condition concours car or even a decent-quality daily 
driver. At the same time, I've heard plenty of horror stories about cars 
that were completely screwed up, but the owners still wanted nearly 
$10,000 for the car. The car I'm currently looking at (I've posted about 
it before) is a very short distance from my house, at a truck yard. It's 
been there for a while and obviously doesn't run, but externally appears 
to be in good condition. It needs a bath badly, but the stainless 
doesn't appear to be dented or have major defects. I still need to take 
a good, close look at the car, which will hopefully happen soon, but I 
hope to buy it anyway. At the very worst, I can always sell it to 
another DMC enthusiast who does have the means to restore it, depending 
on the actual condition of the car.
	Another worry is the cost of insurance, but I have a strong sense 
that insurance companies would give me a hard time and high premiums for 
everything except a Yugo with a three-cylinder Mazda rotary engine.
	All in all, I think that a DeLorean is a very worthy automobile for 
my personal use (at least on the weekends, when I can use it to attract 
females and offers of money at the local shopping mall). It's a tad out 
of reach for most teenagers, but I still think it'd be a good 
investment, since the rarity and curiosity of the cars will most likely 
cause them only to increase in value.

Ian Stewart




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:02:52 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Battery Light always on since alarm removal

Jack, You said the battery goes dead after a while, The battery light should 
go out unless the alternator regulator has been harmed. Be sure only the 
brown/yellow wire is the only wire hooked to the alternator regulator. You 
may show a charge, but it really isn't.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/alternators.shtml 

<< I had an alarm removed last spring.  Since then the battery light has
 remained on all the time.  The car seems to be charging alright, the
 gauges show the system charging.  The battery does run dead after a long
 time sitting (I do have a cd changer and aftermarket radio that do take
 some power), I don't remember if it did it before the removal though.
   >>



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:16:11 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: courtesy/door light mod

Hey all,

i always wished there was a switch to turn off the door lights instead of 
unhooking those darn switches.  well tonight i made it happen.

i went to NAPA and ordered part# TG6031 which is a 20amp 12volt on/off 
switch.  cost me under $5.  then i picked up some 1/4" spade connectors and 
some wire.  i pulled up my fuse block and snipped the purple wire on fuse 12, 
which is the 10 amp fuse that controls everything i want to be able to 
control.  i then put butt-end connectors on the wires and connected two 
lengths of wire about 30 inches long from the connectors.  i ran the wires up 
under the bit of carpet that folds over the lip on the front of the parcel 
shelf above the lower cargo net hooks, and dropped the wires into the space 
by the idle ECM behind the driver's seat, and put a female spade connector on 
each wire.  then i removed the door to the locked storage box and found a 
good place in the metal face in the top of the box for my switch mount.  i 
took a 3/8" drill bit and drilled a hole thru it, and moved the bit around a 
bit to make the hole a little bigger for the switch (my drill only holds 3/8 
and smaller bits).  then i put the switch in, tightened the collar on it and 
added the trim piece, then plugged my spades in, and voila!  now i have a 
switch on my interior/door light circuit that i can easily get to when i want 
to do work with the doors open, or i can use it for shows. 

now some of you may say, why not just get a battery switch?  well i have an 
Alpine CD player installed and if i turn my battery off, i lose the settings 
in it.  this way, i can have my cake and eat it too.  the switch is totally 
concealed with the box closed so no one will have to see the switch or cry 
about the originality.  

however, if you doing electrical work on the car, i and anyone else would 
recommend disabling the battery completely to avoid accidently shorting 
something out.  but this courtesy swtich will be great for most lighter jobs.

i have uploaded 4 pics of the setup to the photo section, found under the 
folder 'courtesy...'.

Later,
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:17:40 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: loose vacuum, high idle?

Willie, There is a vacuum line in the front of the air flow meter underneath. 
Also check the vacuum solenoid for loose lines and the major one is the idle 
tube going into the air flow towards the back. You didn't say if you took the 
intake off.
John Hervey
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:54:06 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: vacuum leak?

Andy, The bolt it's self doesn't get into the vacuum area, but if it isn't 
cinched up good and the gasket tight, then yes you will have a vacuum leak. 
You might also check to make sure the spacer ring and the o ring on the W ( 
air Horns ) going into the throttle body are good and tight.
John
http://www.specialtauto.com/

<< oday i was tinkering with my car and i noticed something odd.  you know 
that 
 plate that sits on the W-pipe on the intake manifold?  there are two bolts 
 that hold it down to the manifold with a paper gasket between them.  one on 
 of the bolts there is a wire harness clip holding the engine wiring.  
anyway, 
 i noticed that i was missing a bolt in it, probably from this winter when i 
 put my new waterpump in.  i have some extra hardware around so i put a bolt 
 and washer in it, and started the car.  it seems to run a little smoother, 
or 
 maybe it's just my imagination.  
 
 would this plate being loose or missing a bolt cause a vacuum leak?  i don't 
 remember what is under the plate from this winter.  perhaps this is another 
 place where people should look when they have a rough idle....
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:58:47 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Removal

Jason, If the threads are messed up. Isn't there enough metal to drill and 
tap to the next size. I think that would be 16mm. If you have trouble getting 
a 16mm let me know.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/

<< Hello All....  over the weekend I decided to do a routine Oil Change 
 that ended up being my worst experience yet with my D.  Come to find 
 out the person who changed it last stripped the Threads in the Oil 
 Pan. So now there is not enough threads to secure the Drain plug 
 without a lot of leaking.... I tried to buy a Rubber Expansion plug 
 and that was a piece of #!%$.  Then I tried an oversized-Self tapping 
 5/8-18 drain plug and it was TOO big even to tap a hole..  PJ's got a 
 new pan for $158 but it is not the cost that bothers me.... It looks 
 like I may have to RAISE the Engine to replace the pan!  So here are 
 my questions... 
 
 Does anyone have a simple solution that would prevent me from Oil Pan 
 removal anything better than a rubber plug?
 
 If I MUST replace the pan has anyone documented it before?  What neds 
 to happan and what is the procedure?
  >>



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:28:19 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Free Flow Exhausts available

DOH! that URL should be www.stainless-exhaust.com

Sorry

Martin

Martin Gutkowski wrote:

>Hi all
>
>The company fabricating the system is www.stainless-exhausts.com 
>





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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 02:30:26 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Free Flow Exhausts available

Martin,

Can they perform any Dyno test so we can see what this set-up does for our
cars.  It sounds interesting but I'd like to know what it produces in HP
before I'd go any further.  The price isn't bad if it makes a difference in
horse power.

Just my opinion.

Thanks

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232



----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [DML] Free Flow Exhausts available


> Hi all
>
> Some of you may have picked up on Chris Parnham's post a few days ago. I
> have found a firm who are prepared to make, to order, a complete exhaust
> system for the DeLorean entirely from 304 polished stainless steel, and
> Chris took "Delores" down to see them last week.

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:39:09 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: DeLorean Problems (Re: FRAM Oil Filters SUCK!)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> 
wrote:
<SNIP>
> Of course, this still brings me back to one conclusion- the 
Delorean
> needs parts that have exceptional performance under multiple 
(bad)
> conditions, because bad conditions happen more often with 
this car.  
> 
> Jim
> 1537

This is a half true statement. Yes, DeLoreans tend to require alot 
of attention, and do have quite a few more problems than regular 
cars. But, these failures, and complications are only resuts of 
the enviornemtns that they have been in. Not from the factory 
from which they came. When my car overheated last, it was due 
to a 20 year old hose breaking. That is to be expected. These 
kind of parts were NOT meant to last that long. I'm sure that 
other vehicles that one might own will not nessisarily have these 
kind of problems. But remember, the typical DeLorean has been 
in storage at one time or another. And this usually means 
neglect, which causes damage to otherwise reliable parts. 
When comparing the "reliability", mechanical failures, or 
operating costs of a DeLorean to another vehicle, also compare 
the history of the cars as well. Any classic car is a gamble, and 
when you have one that has been improperly stored/cared for, 
you have to "handicap" the prices for repairs and parts for past 
abuses.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:28:06 -0000
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tire matching

What do you mean by tyre dressing? Do these tyres have white 
lettering on them at all, maybe on one side only? Is that what you 
meant by dressing them, painting over the lettering?

Anyway, the P6000s are supposed to handle well on wet roads.. can you 
vouch for this? Also just to clarify, we are speaking about 
the "P6000 Sport Veloce" tyre, correct?

Thanks, 
Adam vin 16683 with front tyres bald on the outside halves... 
matching set of Yoko Intermediates by the way.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_d...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [DML] Tire matching
> 
> 
> > I have P600s on the back and P6000s on the front. Forget what the 
> > tread looks like - the printing on the side is the same, and with
> > a bit of tyre dressing they look identical . . .

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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:28:35 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Trunk Space

When I travel with the DeLorean I install the rear luggage rack.  I cut a
piece of plywood and place it on top of the rack, then I can carry
suitcases, tool boxes and duffle bags.  I also use a canvas car top bag on
the luggage rack.  The bag keeps everything clean and dry.

Scott Mueller
002981
scott.a.mueller (at) att.net

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "milo4845" <wayne_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> My Wife and I are going to pick our 1983 Delorean in NY. She would
> like to know about Trunk Space. We will be drive it back to
> Jacksonville Fl.. Can Anyone tell me what size bags the trunk Hold.





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