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Date: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:57 PM

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Topics in this digest:

1. Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

2. Alignment problems?
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

4. Knoxville pitstop travelling to Memphis
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Anyone Heard News on the New DeLorean?
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

6. Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

7. Re: exhaust manifold
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

8. Re: Ok... definitely an odd question...
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

9. Reverse indiglo EL gauge faces
From: "checksix3" <checksix3_at_dml_juno.com>

10. Re: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

12. Re: Alignment problems?
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

13. Re: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>

14. Best Delorean Books
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>

15. Re: Alignment problems?
From: "James" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>

16. Re: Ok... definitely an odd question...
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

17. Re: Anyone Heard News on the New DeLorean?
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. tricky Delorean on ebay
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

20. Vertically challenged
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>

21. Addition to DeLorean Car Show
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

22. Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)
From: "jangwin" <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>

23. Re: Alignment problems?
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

24. Re: Graceland suggestions....
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:24:01 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!

Chris,

    That car belongs to a DMLer.  I believe his name is Joseph Molino.  And 
believe it or not, last I heard that car is in great shape and on the road 
thanks to the dedicated work of PJ Gradys.  I am sure he might send a post to 
the DML if he follows the link to the web page posted.  

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:53:00 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Alignment problems?

Hi,
    I finally had my car aligned today as it has not had one since I got it.  
They did not have the specs for the DeLorean in their computer but did the 
best they could.  They said they didn't want to align the rear wheels because 
they were not sure they had the correct shims or procedure.
Here are the stats they printed off for me.  I don't really know what they 
mean at all.  He said the rear wheels are out of alignment but not enough to 
hurt anything.  Can someone verify this? Memphis will be 1,500+ miles on my 
car and I don't want to wear out my new yoko's.

CASTER-FRONT
BEFORE-Left 5.2 degrees, AFTER 4.4 degrees
BEFORE-right 5.0 degrees. AFTER 4.3 degrees   

CAMBER-FRONT
Left ,0.3 AFTER 0.3
right,-0.05  AFTER -0.05
TOE:FRONT
RIGHT, -0.15,  AFTER 0.00
LEFT-0.25 degrees  AFTER  0.00

REAR-CAMBER
CAMBER=left, -1.6    NOT CHANGED
CAMBER=right, -1.4  NOT CHANGED
TOE-left, -0.60 degrees  NOT CHANGED
TOE-right. 0.35  NOT CHANGED

Are those stats OK?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
David
IN2TIME-MICH



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 02:18:17 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!

Car was for sale on eBay a while back. Owner slid on ice, and hit 
a pole. I remember this one because of the topic of spare tires 
that came up because of it. Someone called the spare a "wagon 
wheel". Check the archives with those key words, and you 
should find it.

Very interesting site though, thanks for the link. Auto related links 
like this one always facinating.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Found 2 pictures of a damaged DeLorean.
> 
> http://www.wreckedexotics.com/index2.html
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris Hawes
> #5255




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Knoxville pitstop travelling to Memphis


Hello Group-

I thought I would send out directions to the Sleep Inn here in Knoxville for those of you staying here for the pit stop on the way to Memphis.  

Sleep Inn is off I-40/75.

   Eastbound - take exit 378. Left on Cedar Bluff and then a right on Executive Park Drive. Pass Holiday Inn Select and 0.4 miles past Hampton Inn on same road. 

   Westbound - take exit 378B, Cedar Bluff South, and go right on Executive Park Drive and go 0.4 miles. 

Contact number for the hotel is 865-531-5900 if any one else is interested in staying at the Sleep Inn and joining us for the caravan into Memphis early Thursday morning.  When you call to make the reservations, please tell them you are with the East Tennessee DeLorean Owners Club to get a group discounted rate.

Several people have mentioned caravaning back home through Knoxville, staying at the Sleep Inn on Sunday night, and each going on their way early Monday morning.  If you wish to make a reservation for Sunday night, do so at the same time and the same group rate has been extended to anyone that wants to take advantage of it.

If anyone has any questions, or would like any more information on this area, please don't hesitate to ask.  Some of us are planning on going out Wednesday night...so if you make it in on time, you will be welcome to join us.

Regards,

Aaron Posey
ETDOC


btw...perhaps I can show off my dealer sign ;)



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:29:36 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Anyone Heard News on the New DeLorean?

Hi Everyone,

I'm just curious about what new rumors (or FACTS!)
are circulating about the New DeLorean!

It's been awhile since anyone's mentioned it.

Later Days,
Robert G.

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:51:06 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!

hey all, that wrecked delorean from the webpage is mine.  It is now restored
to 100% perfect.  The passenger seat is getting redone as we speak. I don't
know how to post pictures up on yahoo but I will send them to you privately
if you want.  That is vin 2850 and now she is flawless.  Took alot of work
but it was worth it.

Joseph Molino
vin 2850

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:52 PM
Subject: [DML] If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!


> Found 2 pictures of a damaged DeLorean.
>
> http://www.wreckedexotics.com/index2.html
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris Hawes
> #5255
>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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>





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:03:32 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: exhaust manifold

Agreeing with the previous post I want to add that you should use 
Never-Seize on the studs and nuts, just in case you EVER want to take 
it apart again. The gaskets will prevent any leaks.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> No. The exhaust manifold gaskets go on "dry". RTV will burn right 
> off the second you start the car. There is a sealent that is made by 
> permatex that is a copper based to handle the extreme heat but the 
> exhaust manifold gaskets (any) go on dry.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm expecting to get my new manifold gaskets tomorrow in the 
> mail.   But i
> > was wondering if you recommend putting RTV on the gasket?
> > 
> > Thanks
> >  Willie
> >  http://filebox.vt.edu/users/wmack




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:35:44 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Ok... definitely an odd question...

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Rich,
The steering wheel can be moved up/down
> and front/rear.  Come to a show and have a seat.
> 
> Scott Mueller
> 002981
> scott.a.mueller (at) att.net

 DA.... After 20 years of Delorean ownership,I never Knew you could 
move the steering wheel in and out,(up/down Yes, but in and out?) 
where the heck,is that adjustment located?  };-) 

Claude
000570




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:59:31 -0000
From: "checksix3" <checksix3_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Reverse indiglo EL gauge faces

Hello folks,

I had some reverse indiglo EL gauge faces made for my Supra awhile 
back. They look great and I was thinking the D could really benefit 
from these. (Many firms sell indiglo but reverse indiglo looks so 
much nicer.) 

The company I used is: http://www.speedhut.com/

Take a look and see what you think.

It takes 20 orders for them to tool up for a car they don't already 
stock. The faces don't have to be any of the wild custom stuff they 
offer, just something tasteful and functional. Anybody interested in 
coming to an agreement on a design and pursuing this?

Gary




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 01:20:52 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)

> As I recall, there was
> quite a bit of information exchanged while Walt worked through his
> noise.

Nope, my car still clunks.  I haven't found the problem.  I know that my
battery is loose because a previous liquid acid battery leaked and rotted
the strap apart.  But the clunks that I hear sound more like they are
echoing through the frame.  I know my TABs are fine (although they are
pre-Toby technology).  The next thing to check are my body bolts, but I
haven't had the time to get that deep into it.

Walt




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:04:22 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!

you are right.  I bought the car that way for a steal on ebay in Maryland.
Pj Grady did some work.  I did alot of work and my body shop did some
fiberglass work.  It was a cool process.  It looks excellent.  I just took
some pictures at the Delorean Spring social in New Jersey.  As soon as I get
them developed, I will post them.

Keep driving stainless.

Joseph Molino
vin 2850
----- Original Message -----
From: <njp548_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] If of a nervous disposition move to your next message!!!


> Chris,
>
>     That car belongs to a DMLer.  I believe his name is Joseph Molino.
And
> believe it or not, last I heard that car is in great shape and on the road
> thanks to the dedicated work of PJ Gradys.  I am sure he might send a post
to
> the DML if he follows the link to the web page posted.
>
> Later,
> Nick Pitello
> 1852
> 15914
> <A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews
>
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>
>





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:15:11 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Alignment problems?

I think I'd ask how they adjusted the caster and camber as there are no
provisions for adjusting that on a stock DeLorean. The only adjustment is
toe-in.

Bruce Benson

> Hi,
>     I finally had my car aligned today as it has not had one since I got
it.
> They did not have the specs for the DeLorean in their computer but did the
> best they could.  > CASTER-FRONT
> BEFORE-Left 5.2 degrees, AFTER 4.4 degrees
> BEFORE-right 5.0 degrees. AFTER 4.3 degrees
>
> CAMBER-FRONT
> Left ,0.3 AFTER 0.3
> right,-0.05  AFTER -0.05
> TOE:FRONT
> RIGHT, -0.15,  AFTER 0.00
> LEFT-0.25 degrees  AFTER  0.00
>
> REAR-CAMBER
> CAMBER=left, -1.6    NOT CHANGED
> CAMBER=right, -1.4  NOT CHANGED
> TOE-left, -0.60 degrees  NOT CHANGED
> TOE-right. 0.35  NOT CHANGED
>
> Are those stats OK?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> David
> IN2TIME-MICH





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:31:11 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)

I, too, have been plagued with rear-end clunks since the day I 
test-drove #6703. It is by far the most annoying problem on my 
vehicle--it really detracts from an otherwise amazingly pleasant driving 
experience. I have read every word ever posted on this topic and spoken 
to many people and followed all the standard advice without success. I 
do not believe that *anybody* really understands what is going on. Rob 
Grady told me that he once solved a clunking rear-end by replacing the 
rear bearings, but that the problem came back in a year.

Part of the problem no doubt stems from the fact that there are multiple 
causes, so everybody's advice has a kernel of truth. For the record, 
here is an annotated list of all the theories that I am aware of:

1)	Objects sliding around in trunk (or the jack storage space in front 
of the trunk).
	Comment: This is real. Don't underestimate it. It is often 
surprisingly difficult to localize sounds in a car--even front/rear can 
be confusing.  Hint: Stick some industrial-sized velcro on the bottom of 
your tool box and it will grip the carpet of the trunk and stop sliding 
around.

2)	Battery not secure.
	Comment: Maybe, but I'm not convinced that it is all that easy to 
tip or slide the heavy battery around.  Can anybody report first-hand 
that this was the source of their clunk? In any event, tying down your 
battery is good hygiene, so why risk it?

3)	TAB problems.
	Comment: Almost certainly a real cause of rear-end noise. There 
have been first-hand reports to that effect. Not clear to me that it 
could easily account for the characteristic "left turn/right turn" 
alternation that many of us experience.  I am about to install Toby 
Tabs, so we'll see...

4)	Loose body bolts.
	Comment: There are also first-hand reports of tightening body bolts 
curing clunks. Didn't help in my case, although I have not done the 
hard-to-get-at right-rear bolt. If all else fails, I will try that, but 
I am pretty sure I hear clunks on both sides and the everything on the 
left is definitely tight.

5)	C/V Joint problems.
	Comment: It is often suggested that bad or poorly lubricated C/V 
joints cause the drive shafts to hang up on turns. It is true that if 
you slide the shafts back and forth by hand you can make a sound that 
kind of resembles the accursed clunk, but I am skeptical. I have not 
seen first-hand reports that C/V work has actually cured the problem (I 
filter out "well, seemed to help some" comments as wishful thinking). In 
any event, inspecting and repacking the C/V joints didn't help in my 
case.

6)	Bad rear bearings or rear hub problems.
	Comment: I have encountered few hard facts on this alternative, 
beyond the aforementioned discussion with Rob. I consider this a likely 
cause, just because I can't think of anything else. There was a vague 
article circulating a few years ago involving spraying WD40 into this 
area, but I could never make it work. Can anyone elaborate on this 
theory? If my new TABs don't help (and I don't think they will), new 
bearings will be my last resort.

Anybody who has anything to add to this list, please do so. This is 
clearly a widespread problem, and annoying as hell.  It would be great 
to finally nail it.

--Pete Lucas
   VIN #06703

On Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 01:20  AM, Walter Coe wrote:

>> As I recall, there was
>> quite a bit of information exchanged while Walt worked through his
>> noise.
>
> Nope, my car still clunks.  I haven't found the problem.  I know that my
> battery is loose because a previous liquid acid battery leaked and 
> rotted
> the strap apart.  But the clunks that I hear sound more like they are
> echoing through the frame.  I know my TABs are fine (although they are
> pre-Toby technology).  The next thing to check are my body bolts, but I
> haven't had the time to get that deep into it.
>
> Walt




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:17:03 -0400
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Best Delorean Books

My annual beach trip is coming up and I'd like to read a Delorean book or two. Any recommendations? 

On a second topic, I recently replaced my noisy AC/Heater fan motor with one from Special T Auto. It was easy to install and cheap ($30 or so). Problem solved. 

Bob Thomason
#5252


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:01:32 -0400
From: "James" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Alignment problems?

Hi
Here's the alligment info I have for the DeLorean.
FRONT - spec. - tol.  (degrees)
left camber -0.25  0.25
right camber -0.25  0.25
left caster 3.75  0.25
right caster 3.75  0.25
total toe 0.48  0.08

REAR
camber -0.50  0.25
total toe 0.48  0.08

Your front alligment is 0.00 on both sides while it should be 0.20 to 0.24
on each side. It means that you will be wearing out the outside portion of
your front tires. Rear is off as well and since it's different on each side
you might get some pulling to one side especially on uneven roads. Actually
the rear might drift to the right. I would get the alligment done one more
time on ALL four wheels before going to Memphis - it's a looong drive. FYI
only TOE is adjustable on DeLorean.

Hope this helps
Tom Niemczewski
tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl
VIN 6298 (FOR SALE)


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From: <Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com>


> CASTER-FRONT
> BEFORE-Left 5.2 degrees, AFTER 4.4 degrees
> BEFORE-right 5.0 degrees. AFTER 4.3 degrees
>
> CAMBER-FRONT
> Left ,0.3 AFTER 0.3
> right,-0.05  AFTER -0.05
> TOE:FRONT
> RIGHT, -0.15,  AFTER 0.00
> LEFT-0.25 degrees  AFTER  0.00
>
> REAR-CAMBER
> CAMBER=left, -1.6    NOT CHANGED
> CAMBER=right, -1.4  NOT CHANGED
> TOE-left, -0.60 degrees  NOT CHANGED
> TOE-right. 0.35  NOT CHANGED
>





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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:46:22 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Ok... definitely an odd question...

>  DA.... After 20 years of Delorean ownership,I never Knew you could
> move the steering wheel in and out,(up/down Yes, but in and out?)
> where the heck,is that adjustment located?  };-)

You loosen the same adjustment nut as you do for raising/lowering the
steering column.  While it is loose, you can also pull it forward or
backwards.

I learned about that the first day I owned my car.  I had to travel across
the state to pick it up and spend the night in a hotel, so that night I read
the owner's manual cover-to-cover.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:36:06 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard News on the New DeLorean?

i havent heard anything past the watch deal and those quick time 
videos JZD did last year...if i recall correctly he said that the 
supercar was about 80% done at the time...id be very interested in 
the street version, but i doubt anything is going to 
materialize...its unfortunate to say, but who knows?? this man has 
ways of generating alot of excitement....until then im waiting same 
as everyone else......Harry




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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:45:34 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: tricky Delorean on ebay

the Delorean on ebay that i drove to VA is back....its unfortunate 
some of those bidders dont come here and read the posts, as a 
reminder to those interested....the car has...
a ding on the driver fender
unaligned stainless on the roof
needs both front and rear bumpers
needs new fuel distributor
doesnt run or start
engine operation is highly suspect
a hole in passenger seat bottom
a very dried out interior
needs new headliners
and i have no idea about its electrics as there was no battery
and i wasnt able to start it
and the windshield had an inspection dating back to 2001...no idea why
was told by Rob Grady to pass it up sooo....the search goes 
on....looking at an additional $10,000 to restore it




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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:49:50 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)

Clunking noises emanating from the rear of the car during slight body
twisting are usually generated between the fiberglass body and chassis.
Tightening up the body to chassis bolts will usually eliminate this noise.

DMC Joe
Tech Information, DMC Joe Help Club, & Store
"Summer Parts Sale"
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore
DeLorean Website Directory www.dmc.tv

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)


> > As I recall, there was
> > quite a bit of information exchanged while Walt worked through his
> > noise.
>
> Nope, my car still clunks.  I haven't found the problem.  I know that my
> battery is loose because a previous liquid acid battery leaked and rotted
> the strap apart.  But the clunks that I hear sound more like they are
> echoing through the frame.  I know my TABs are fine (although they are
> pre-Toby technology).  The next thing to check are my body bolts, but I
> haven't had the time to get that deep into it.
>
> Walt





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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:29:07 -0500
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>
Subject: Vertically challenged

Rich:

A friend of a friend who bought a DeLorean back in 1981 was my height -- five and a half feet tall -- and he didn't have a problem with the car. (Other than when he got locked in it, at which point he brought the car back to the dealer and got them to take it back. I bet he kicked himself later.)

Anyway, I'm sure that just because JZD is over six feet tall that doesn't mean you're going to have the "looking through the steering wheel" problem.

And since you're in the market for an SUV, please make sure you both can see over the dash. Please. [Holds back comment about blonde in purple Jeep who nearly crushed him this morning and two accidents involving short blondes.]

Seriously, though, Rich, no matter what height you are, the De is worth owning. If it turns out you need a higher seat, you can always raise it. :)

Just my $0.02 --

Regards,
Farrar Hudkins
New Orleans, LA (except next week in Atlanta)
'98 Ranger XLT "Laggy"
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www.wwno.org
504-280-7000




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:05:24 -0400
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Addition to DeLorean Car Show

since many of you enjoy driving I have worked out a deal with the following people in Memphis to allow you to drive a Nascar race car a a special price.  The same package at Richard Petty in Florida is about 4 times the cost so I think its a pretty good deal and it can be done while you are in Memphis.

This is the e-mail promption they made for us.
More details will be at the show plus you can look up their web page.  If you have never driven a NASCAR before you will enjoy this one.  

I believe that a pass to do one of their driving experiences will be raffled off Friday (still working on that one)

Race-On Driving Experience Welcomes the Delorean Car Show to Memphis
 "Live the Dream, Drive the Car"!  
 
Race-On Driving Experience is an all new thrill experience being held at the state of the art 3/4 mile asphalt track at Memphis Motorsports Park. This track is home to such series as the Nascar Busch Grand National Series, the Nascar Craftsman Truck Series, ASA, and ARCA. The track features 11 degree banking and straightaway speeds exceeding 120 mph. Now it is home to an experience that you will not soon forget. Whether your life long dream has been to drive a Winston Cup Type Car or to just get to ride along as a professional driver screams around the track with you in the passenger seat, Race-On Motorsports has what you want. Race-On Motorsports offers a wide variety of packages and prices, no matter what your desires may be.
Race-On Motorsports takes the Driving and Ride-Along experience to a whole new level. Similar experiences are available from other companies, but in comparison to Race-On.......well to be perfectly honest there is no comparison. Race-On Motorsports offers unprecedented Experiences and Rates. It doesn't matter if you are 10 years old or 100. Race-On has an experience of a lifetime in store for you. Your thrill awaits you, "Live the Dream, Drive the Car"! 

Contact: 1-866-4RACEON (472-2366) or on the internet at www.4raceon.com

Event Schedule: June 15 & 16 (AM Session-7:30 or PM Session-12:30) Both Days

Special Individual Package: "Father's Day





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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:26:03 -0000
From: "jangwin" <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>
Subject: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)

My clunk turned out to be a weak rear spring. It had been cut to lower
the car, (yes, the rear) and my guess is that the heat of the cutting
tool weakened the springyness of the coil. When under load, the coil
had a definite bend in it, and the coils on one end of the spring
length were more tightly spaced than at the other end. The car clunked
when going over a sharp bump, or when turning sharply. It also listed
to one side by about 1/2 inch, when viewed from the rear.

I replaced both rear springs and shocks with PJ's, and my clunk went away.

Jeff Angwin
VIN 3034






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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:12:41 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Alignment problems?

This is great information for everybody's benefit.  The neutral 
position of the front wheels (no toe in) will make the car somewhat 
"twitchy" and directionally unstable.  The condition can also cause 
resonant wheel shimmy at certain speeds.  The positive toe-in is 
important for these purposes, among many.  (As an aside, all modern 
jet aircraft have the engines toed in approximately two degrees for 
the same reasons).  The front caster *can* be adjusted by appropriate 
placement of shims in the joint between the front sway bar and the 
lower control arm, although this is not mentioned in the manuals.  A 
caster difference between the two front wheels will have a negative 
effect on steering stability as well.  As noted, camber is not 
adjustable unless you have custom suspension links that are made to be 
adjustable.  The reported alignment should definitely be redone.  And, 
(IMHO), the only place to have a good alignment done is at a frame and 
alignment shop rather than a tire store.  While there might be good 
tire stores around, they do not usually specialize in "frame issues".  
Just a thought.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1 - Straight, true, and stable.  


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "James" <tomciodmc_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Hi
> Here's the alligment info I have for the DeLorean.
> FRONT - spec. - tol.  (degrees)
> left camber -0.25  0.25
> right camber -0.25  0.25
> left caster 3.75  0.25
> right caster 3.75  0.25
> total toe 0.48  0.08
> 
> REAR
> camber -0.50  0.25
> total toe 0.48  0.08
> 
> Your front alignment is 0.00 on both sides while it should be 0.20 
>outside portion of your front tires. Rear is off as well and since 
>it's different on each side you might get some pulling to one side 
>especially on uneven roads.  Actually the rear might drift to the 
>right. I would get the alignment done one more time on ALL four 
>wheels before going to Memphis - it's a looong drive. FYI only TOE is 
>adjustable on DeLorean.
> 

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Delorean17_at_dml_a...>
> 
> 
> > CASTER-FRONT
> > BEFORE-Left 5.2 degrees, AFTER 4.4 degrees
> > BEFORE-right 5.0 degrees. AFTER 4.3 degrees
> >
> > CAMBER-FRONT
> > Left ,0.3 AFTER 0.3
> > right,-0.05  AFTER -0.05
> > TOE:FRONT
> > RIGHT, -0.15,  AFTER 0.00
> > LEFT-0.25 degrees  AFTER  0.00
> >
> > REAR-CAMBER
> > CAMBER=left, -1.6    NOT CHANGED
> > CAMBER=right, -1.4  NOT CHANGED
> > TOE-left, -0.60 degrees  NOT CHANGED
> > TOE-right. 0.35  NOT CHANGED
> >




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:16:11 -0400
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Graceland suggestions....

First of all there are a lot of single people going 
try advertising to split a room
If you want the best of the show do Friday drive tour 
Saurday car show (both free) the Friday night event may not be cheap but it is the big show so don't miss it $47.00 
that should do it.

Saturday is more awards and Thursday is a big get together althought the $25 cost is reasonable for what you are gonna pig out on

Ken



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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:33:11 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Clunk (not TAB or axles)

Peter - I commend you for this fantastic post.  Nothing quite like 
gathering it all together for a better perspective.  I was looking at 
photos of the rear suspension, and my eyes are drawn to the 
steel/rubber bushings that are pressed into each end of the 
upper and lower lateral links (De Dion links?).  Has anybody with the 
dreaded clunk taken the time to remove the large bolts and carefully 
examine the condition of the bushings, and make sure that the bolts 
are straight and tight?  If there was some play in the bushings from 
delaminated rubber or worn sleeves, or worn and/or loose bolts, the 
play could result in movement in the joint under cornering loads.  I 
know that I have had "issues" with other bushings that were very worn 
and damaged, resulting in some interesting behavior.  The bushings 
normally pressed into the shock absorber ends could also create some 
movement under load.  I think that it might be worth a look.  My car 
doesn't clunk at all, so it's not a good candidate for this 
inspection.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1 - 'Clunkless' in Seattle.   

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_M...> wrote:
> I, too, have been plagued with rear-end clunks since the day I 
> test-drove #6703. It is by far the most annoying problem on my 
> vehicle--it really detracts from an otherwise amazingly pleasant 
driving experience ... 
<snip>




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