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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1050
Date: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:11 PM

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Memphis Car Show via Mobile, Al.?
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

2. Re: Re: Front End Drop
From: "Don Golden" <Don.Golden_at_dml_earthlink.net>

3. Re: A TABs HOW-TO?
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

4. The front hood
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>

5. Re: upper RR screen
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>

6. Re: The front hood
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

7. This is cool - DMC paper model!
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:43:27 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Memphis Car Show via Mobile, Al.?

Hello all,

I've been off the list for awhile now but am planning on going up to Memphis
for the show.  I was wondering if there were any other DeLorean's traveling
thru Mobile, Al and want to drive up together.  Please feel free to send me
an email!


Thanks!

Duke
www.geocities.com/at88mph_1999





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:15:49 -0600
From: "Don Golden" <Don.Golden_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Front End Drop

To update everyone.

This symptom was caused by a broken trailing arm bolt. I put the car on a
rack today, and first checked out the front suspension.
It was OK. In shaking the right rear wheel, it moved forward and aft about
1". As it turned out the right TAB bolt was actually broken, which makes
some sense given the symptoms.

Needless to say the car is parked and new TAB's have been ordered for both
sides.

I'm a firm believer now in checking the TAB's.

Also a bit shaken. Last week I drove over 500 miles on Interstate 70. I
shudder to think what would have happened if a failure would have occurred
at 75+ mph.

Thanks for all the help.


----- Original Message -----
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Front End Drop


> CHECK YOUR TRAILING ARM BOLTS!!!!!  Same thing happened to me last
> year.  What had happened is I lost all the alignment shims on one
> side, causing the wheel to have a lot of freeplay in the toe.  This is
> noticable under acceleration because of the torque put upon the wheel
> by the driveshaft.  If you check both your bolts, I'm almost certain
> you will fine one which is very loose and missing shims.  It is very
> dangerous to drive like this as it will put extra strain on the
> trailing arm bolts which may already be damaged.  May I suggest
> getting new washers, shims, bushings, and Toby-TABs to remidy the
> situation.  Otherwise, if the bolt doesn't show any signs of being
> bent or damaged in any way, you may be able to get by with just new
> shims and re-torquing the bolt.  Good luck.
>
> Jim Reeve
> MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
> DMC-6960
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Don Golden" <Don.Golden_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > Something new came up which is baffling. When shifting out of 1st
> gear the right front of the car seems to drop and I feel a slight
> tendency to swerve to the left. This seems to be more pronounced the
> higher the revs are when I shift out of 1st. I hear no clunks or other
> sounds.
> >
> > Other than this the car seems to drive fine. I don't notice this in
> any other gear. It's almost as if this is caused by either 1) the
> front weight shift as the car decelerates, or 2) the engine torque as
> it decreases revs, or a combination of both. This isn't noticeable
> during braking, only during accelerating out of 1st gear.
> >
> > A visual check suggests that the engine mounts are OK. I tried
> another test: with the parking brake on and the  the car in 1st gear I
> let the clutch out slowly. The engine doesn't twist (there is a slight
> downward movement). The same thing happens in with the tranny in
> reverse  (except the engine moves upward slightly).
> >
> > I can't see any visual problems with the shocks/springs, ball
> joints, tie rod ends. I'm at a loss of where to go next. Could the
> trailing arm bolts or transmission mounts have a similar effect?
> >
> > Thanks Don VIN 4835
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:50:08 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: A TABs HOW-TO?

> This symptom was caused by a broken trailing arm bolt.

Ok... for those of us who aren't that knowledgeable about the TABs (well,
ok, maybe it's just me), could someone provide a "TABs for Dummies"
step-by-step explanation on how to check them?  I know the general area
where they are, but what tools do I need, what do the shims look like
(photos?), etc, what is "good" versus "bad" versus "unsafe"?  I can easily
jack up the car and would like to check these before my trip to Memphis.

thanks,

-Hank Eskin #1619




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 02:17:06 -0700
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: The front hood

Hi,

I noticed that as I test drove a Delorean that I am considering buying that
the tips of the hood (front left and right edges where the hood meet the
windshield) bounce a little in the wind, is this normal??  is this fixable??
is it even a problem??




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:20:09 -0500
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>
Subject: Re: upper RR screen

> I would like to know if the screen warping has anything to do with the
> distortion of the under body under the T-panel from having it pull apart
> with age.

It did for me.  My T-panel was warped upwards a bit in the back, and it had
bent the plastic screen over time, but the only real concern I had about it
was that it made the louvers rub against the T-panel when opening.

Once the T-panel was removed, however, it was easy to see the root cause --
the steel plate that holds the rear ends of the torsion bars was pulling
away from the fiberglass.  I couldn't believe the thing was actually *glued*
down, considering the amount of stress it's under.

The fix is actually pretty easy (if you're comfortable with removing the
torsion bars), and can be found in the tech section of the DMCNews site:
http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/tbar.htm

Once this was complete and the T-panel was flat again, the plastic screen
went back on without much trouble.  Mine was pliable enough to pull fairly
straight again without applying any heat.  Bending the stainless clips on
the T-panel a little will help pull the plastic into shape, but if it's
warped badly you'll probably have to drill a new hole or two.

(Huge public thanks to Marty Maier for helping me with this process on my
car!)

_________________
Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681 (Nov 81)




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:45:10 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: The front hood

This was the case on my car until I readjusted the hood latch.  I always had
problems with water getting in the trunk especially after washing the car.
Any water running down the windshield went into the trunk.  I tested the
gasket with a dollar bill and found that there was plenty of room for the
bill to slip through.  I then noticed that the gasket was glued in the wrong
place (too far out), so I pulled it off and glued it back on.  It was
falling off anyway.  I believe it was put on this way from the factory.  But
this still didn't fix the problem.  With the gasket in the right place the
hood still wouldn't grab a dollar bill.  I tried adjusting the catch down,
but it wouldn't go down far enough.  I took it apart, filed the adjustment
slots to go down further and this FINALLY fixed the problem.  Now I
understand that this is a common problem, but easily fixable.

Walt

P.S. If we met in person, would you introduce yourself as "Darkstar"?  It's
okay to use a real name here.

> I noticed that as I test drove a Delorean that I am considering buying
that
> the tips of the hood (front left and right edges where the hood meet the
> windshield) bounce a little in the wind, is this normal??  is this
fixable??
> is it even a problem??





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:08:11 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: This is cool - DMC paper model!

http://papertoys.com/delorean.htm

No need to buy the SunStar model now!  :)



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