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Date: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:49 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors
From: "johnsdmc12" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

2. Re: >85mph Speedo
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Decision has been made: Supercharger
From: "mcookwwi" <mark_at_dml_wizwarecomputers.com>

4. Re: >85mph Speedo
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

5. Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors (long)
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

6. Rack Oil
From: Paul Salsbury <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

7. RE: Temp gage fluctuation
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

8. RE: Re: Stainless Steel
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

9. Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Re: Power Surge in 1st Gear
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: E-Gremlin, door locks and window
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

12. Re: PJ Grady shocks...New DeLorean Parts
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

13. Re: >85mph Speedo
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

14. Sunstar DeLorean/New parts
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

15. Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. West Michigan Caravan on Wed.
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. melted fuses
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>

18. Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

19. Re: Changing Front Ride Height
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

20. Re: New DeLorean Parts (TAB's specifically)
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

21. Shift Pattern
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

22. Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors (long)
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

23. The mystery of the center console -- solved
From: "jmanis2" <jeff.phillips_at_dml_scott.af.mil>

24. Metal Reactions
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

25. Re: New parts
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:02:54 -0000
From: "johnsdmc12" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors

Stain, I will make a short reply to some of your post. Even though 
I'm not considered a DMC Vendor, I do own 3 cars and love working on 
them. I also try to come up with alternative parts as good as or the 
the original. I also seek out because of the complaints that some 
make on cost a equal alternative. I recently ordered a O ring for the 
ignition distributor from a DMC vendor and it cost $8.68. That was 
what prompted me to come out with the O ring kit at a substantial 
savings and they are the exact same parts. Most O ring are less than 
$1.00 ea. They are just hard to find. Then you have to buy quanity to 
get the price down. I could go on and on about parts, but one of the 
other problems is libality insurance. Example, The TAB. Some DMC 
vendors use the same original bolt but just check them more often, I 
have one grade higher than original and plated and because it's a 
German manufacture with substinuated specifications. I have insurance 
to back up on. If you fabricate your own and something happens, like 
a bad wreck and it can be traced to a new fabricated part, wham, the 
insurance company has got you. Sorry the world works this way. I had 
to take parts off the web site because of insurance protection. This 
is a major problem when coming up with a new part. Also, the DML list 
group is, what 1/10th of the Deloreans out there. I sell a lot of 
parts to non DML people. Also, there is a lot of talk about new parts 
but very little support. Example: Walts rear view mirror, I don't 
think he got enough orders to get into production. Just something to 
think about. There are a lot of parts I could come out with, but it 
takes support and sales as you and others say to do it. 
Because I buy parts at a savings, I do try to pass it on. I also 
support the DMC vendors on dealer type items and I also rebuild and 
build parts that I sell to some vendors. But, there is just very 
little of that going on. Just my 2 cents worth.  
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


       Libality,  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Stian Birkeland" 
<delorean_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Lately, there has been a very active discussion on the DML 
regarding replacement parts and the DMC vendors.



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:24:02 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: >85mph Speedo

You didn't look everywhere. All you had to do was call one of the 
Delorean parts venders and they will help you out. I believe some have 
the speedo all done and some sell a decal that you apply and you have 
to have a speedo shop recalibrate your speedo to the decal. It is not 
too hard to do if you can stand on your head and remove and replace 
the binnacle.
David Teitelbuam
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "mcookwwi" <mark_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I have looked everywhere and I cannot figure out where I can find a 
> 140, 160, or 170mph speedo for my D. What are my options? How 
> difficult is it to change?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> mcookwwi_at_dml_y...




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:58:27 -0000
From: "mcookwwi" <mark_at_dml_wizwarecomputers.com>
Subject: Decision has been made: Supercharger

I am determined to install a supercharger on my D. I have not found 
any information other than a picture of a D with a charger and some 
rough power stats.

If anyone has any information that may assist me in this project, 
please let me know. I aim to accomplish this for around $1500-2500.

I am going to start searching for the right unit and once found, 
fabricate necessary brackets and plumbing, and bolt it up. I will of 
course check fuel requirements and make adjustments as necessary, and 
I will keep it 6-7 lbs or under, running high-octane fuel. Maybe a 
little bit of H2O injection too...

I will be more than happy to share everything about the project with 
those that may want to follow.

Wish me luck!
Mark
#10901




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: >85mph Speedo

From what I understand, the upgraded speedos are basically "plug and
play", meaning you don't have to swap out anything but the gauge. I've
never dug into the binnacle, so I don't know what's involved in replacing
a guage.

Contact any vendor for more information. Don at DMC Garden Grove set me up
with my 160 speedo and I haven't had any problems. Give him a call and ask
about the options. 714-554-6794

-Christian



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:38:43 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors (long)

Hi Stian

I wanted to reply to some of your specific points - I am not 100% 
certain of some of my facts here, perhaps others could correct me if I'm 
off the mark...

Stian Birkeland wrote:

>So why do people look for a non-original "wear" part? In the long run, you won't make money on it, because you will have to replace it sooner or later with a genuine DMC part. 
>
What is a "genuine DMC part"? For mechanical components, we've rarely 
had to look outside the UK for service items. Many of the components in 
the DeLorean are off-the-shelf circa 20-years ago, and there are many 
places still specialising in the cars these parts came from. For 
example, I ordered a set of track-rod-ends from www.rimmerbros.co.uk 
last week for 12 each. They are from a Triumph Herald, and are 
IDENTICAL to the DeLorean's.

>Often you will find yourself wasting time at the local auto parts store. The DMC vendors know what you need.
>
And with the exception of DMC Houston, where do you think most come 
from? Often from the same suppliers as we get them from if we "go it 
alone". You're right, though. Getting it from a DMC vendor means 
_knowing_ you've got the right part. You pay a little more because 
someone else's done the leg-work cross-referencing the parts.

>  I'm trying to get all my parts from the USA, I often combine it with other things I need. Why buy a Bosch Fuel Pump here in Norway, when I can get it in the same package with other parts I need? 
>
Fuel pump, brand new, 109 + vat from my garage over here. When you 
factor in the cost of import tax and shipping, it's a lot cheaper.

>Why on Earth don't the DMC vendors offer parts like these:
>
>* complete silicone hose set for the whole cooling system (only one vendor sell a few silicone hoses related to the waterpump). It would sell very well. Finally, no-one had to worry about those hoses anymore.
>
I guess it's one of those items we HAVE been left to find for ourselves 
because it's so common. Although they don't advertise them heavily, I'm 
sure you could buy a set if you asked.

>* stainless braided brake lines like Marty Maier made possible
>
I think Rob Grady offers these.

>*Toby-tabs. Very much needed. Why didn't one or two of the vendors come up and say, Hey we're interested in your project. Maybe they did, but the DML hasn't heard of it.
>
DMC Joe did state categorically that the only time he'd known of a bolt 
bending or breaking was when it hadn't been kept torqued. Noticing the 
massive difference in the handling of my D when I torqued mine properly 
has lead me to think that I'll just take that 5-minute job on when I can 
use the 4-poster ramp at the garage (most Saturdays)

>* stainless steel frames made by Brian Pearce (why do they only offer the front tube extension? And why not make that part in stainless steel instead of powdercoated steel)
>
Welding stainless, especially for a structural application is extremely 
skilled. Brian Pearce has been offering his frames for sale for years, 
and AFAIK, hasn't sold one. I believe one of the vendors has contracted 
him to make a set for them though.

>* stainless braided fuel lines (we have all heard about sudden fuel-related DeLorean fires)
>
THIS I agree with :-) However, I've discovered some of the banjo 
fittings on the DeLorean's engine are quite an odd size and quite rare. 
It's something I want to do with mine at some point - I am friendly with 
a hydraulic place who can do this sort of thing.

>Again, I would like to ask - Do the vendors co-operate when deciding to make new parts?
>I don't think so, just think of the earlier shockabsorber debate...DMC Houston made custom-made shocks while PJ Grady uses off the shelf shocks.
>
Are you sure of this?

>DMC Joe's excellent Battery Saver. Why don't all vendors offer this? It is the final solution to all the doorlight-draining battery problem. 
>
It's treating the symptoms and not the disease - I just went to look at 
DMC Joe's website and couldn't find it - from memory isnt it a cutoff 
switch? I DO intend putting one in my car, however mine's been off the 
road for over a month now and I've still got enough left in the battery 
to turn it over every weekend (I run it for about 10 minutes). It only 
takes 10 seconds per side to un-plug the door-switches.

>PJ Grady for instance, has the TankZilla. DMC Houston is reported to come up with a new fuel device. Is it really necessary?
>
Competition is a healthy way of ensuring survival and reasonable prices 
(so says my A-level in economics :-)

>When will someone start to remanufacture the LH side Torsion Bar?
>
Nobody knows HOW! What we have are a number of anecdotal references, and 
no idea where the original machine (vat) is. THere's supposed to be a 
stash of bars lingering somewhere in the UK, but so far we've not found them

>When will someone offer a brand new Volvo style AC Panel, where there is not any decal, but quality plastic engraved decal which won't crack up like the old one does.
>
Possibly when demand is such that manufacturing a replacement of 
superior quality than the original stock (I guess Houston still has 
them?) warrents it.

>Why don't the vendors ask us, the owners what part we may be interested in/committed to buy. If we committed to buy, Im sure the manufacturing process and time would be very quickly. The DML is a nice forum to find out what people want, right here, right now.
>
Most vendors DO read the DML.

>Also, I feel it a bit strange that the vendors themselves dont participate more often on the DML. I think they should be more active, in order to "get to know" the needs and wants of the DML members. After all, this is THE ONE list above all.
>
I can make an educated guess here. It's amazing somtimes how "chinese 
whispers" sets in with posts to the DML. I might suggest one thing, and 
three days later, something I never said is being quoted as mine. I've 
learnt to read the DML with a healthy dose of cynicism, as have most 
"long-timers". An example with be the "vendors and other scammers" 
thread - the "scammers" was added in a reply, and not by the original 
poster, with whom I've had the privilege of a long-running e-mail 
debate, and whose opinoin I respect greatly. He has since left the list 
in disgust.

>Another thing - more and more DeLorean are coming into Europe. Why isn't Wingray Autos in Liverpool, England more marketed by DMC Houston. I don't think all European DeLorean Owners know of this excellent DMC Houston affiliate. Parts warehouse in the US yes, but how about a little warehouse in England, in order to get the parts quicker.
>
Wingray are very good, but for my money, I'd rather use the Diesel 
Centre, who are my local garage and who've done fantastically well on 
parts sourcing for both mine (#1458) and Rich's (#2727) cars. On the 
small number of occasions we've needed parts from outside the UK, I've 
tended to go with Rob Grady for the simple reason that I've met him and 
Chris Nicholson was able to bring back several things from him (saving 
us the aforementioned tax and shipping :-) Thanks Chris!)

Best Wishes

Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:59:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Paul Salsbury <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Rack Oil

I am about to replace the boots on my steering rack
due to a tear in one. What Oil, Grease or Lub should
the rack/boots be filled with when put back on. And
why do you fill from the left side??

Cheers

Paul
#6463

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:17:28 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Temp gage fluctuation

There are a whole bunch of ground wires connected to the metal bracket that holds the AV controls and radio.  You need to pull the center console to get to it.  5 or 6 wires connected here, I think this is where the dash gets ground.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Mueller [mailto:scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net]
> Subject: [DML] Temp gage fluctuation
> 
> 
> While prepping my car for Memphis trip, my temperature gauge started
> fluctuating with change in engine speed.
> Any ideas as to what is going on?
><SNIP>



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:25:16 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Stainless Steel

Hi Andrew and others,
	Yes, I have been already been "taken to task" on that quote I copied.  I
should have kept my "mouth" shut.   However a really good explanation of the
composition of SS, like you pirnted would not go on a little desk calendar
sheet, but maybe they could have worded it differently.
	Murray
	Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
	Walla Walla, WA

Three days to Memphis, (Two for us!!)





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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:05 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

Dave,

You have un-earthed a little known secret on how to lower the front of your
DeLorean. A better choice of ballast (bags of topsoil) is lead buckshot
available at ammo and some hardware stores. Here's another tip to save
valuable trunk space. Open your jack storage compartment pull out the jack
and you will see that the storage area runs the full with of the car, a
perfect home for the bags of buckshot.

This is a simple and inexpensive way to temporarily drop the front end.

DMC Joe  http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/dmcjoe.html
Memphis Updates: http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/home.html
Tech Information, DMC Joe Help Club, & Store
See You In Memphis!
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore
DeLorean Website Directory www.dmc.tv



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:20:29 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Power Surge in 1st Gear

Martin is correct. If the baffle has detached from the bottom of the tank
this could be the cause of your problem.

DMC Joe  http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/dmcjoe.html
Memphis Updates: http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/home.html
Tech Information, DMC Joe Help Club, & Store
See You In Memphis!
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore
DeLorean Website Directory www.dmc.tv

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [DML] Power Surge in 1st Gear

> Sounds like your baffle's not doing its job and you're low on fuel?
>
> Martin
> #1458



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:43:53 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: E-Gremlin, door locks and window

It is a wise decision to disconnect your door lock module: see my writing at
http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/doorlock.html

The problem you are describing may be "ground fault" related. Inspect the
battery ground connection at the RR trailing arm bushing and the electrical
compartment ground connection located at the top of the RR frame section
located just below the coil cover.

DMC Joe  http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/dmcjoe.html
Memphis Updates: http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/home.html
Tech Information, DMC Joe Help Club, & Store
See You In Memphis!
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore
DeLorean Website Directory www.dmc.tv




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:43:36 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Re: PJ Grady shocks...New DeLorean Parts

Language can be tricky :)
What I meant with "uses off the shelf" is exactly what you say, using 
shocks from one of the worlds shocks manufacturers, whereas DMC 
Houston's is custom made for the DeLorean. Or do you mean that Gradys 
shocks are custom made too? If so, I apologize for making a mistake.

But my point is still: Why have two DMC vendors making "their" 
shocks? Freedom of choice for us customers, maybe, but if they had 
agree to co-operated developing one "DeLorean shock" the development 
costs combined would have been much lower. Result: Cheaper shocks or 
the same price as now, only that more funds would be available for 
new projects/reproductions. In other words - it would take less time 
to produce reproductions of depleted stock/low quality OEM parts (for 
instance the AC illumiation panel) I sure would be one of those who 
would buy a quality plastic piece with the face engraved in the 
plastic and not so flimsy sticker which would crack and split the 
next day. Or how about the bracket which fasten the T-panel and 
covers the torsionbarbrackets. We've all waited very long.

I have created a poll around suggested new reproduction replacement 
parts.

Please vote - and hopefully the vendors will see what people wants!

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759 



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:20:55 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Re: >85mph Speedo

Marty Maier sold 140speedo decals...but I don't think they're 
available any longer. The 160 speedos were made by the now defunct 
DeLorean Motor Club of America, but maybe DeLorean Motor Center has 
one...the 170speedo can still be bought from DMC Houston. The also 
have speedos in kilometers (240) and also complete European/Canadian 
instrument clusters...C instead of F, Bar instead of Psi, redline for 
fuel plus a few minor changes...

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "mcookwwi" <mark_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I have looked everywhere and I cannot figure out where I can find a 
> 140, 160, or 170mph speedo for my D. What are my options? How 
> difficult is it to change?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> mcookwwi_at_dml_y...




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:34:36 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Sunstar DeLorean/New parts

Interesting -
Why don't some of the vendors do this?
Put forward an offer on a part that will be reproduced. Let people 
pre-order, and hold the credit card on file...so when the part has 
been reproduced they charge the card and ship it out.
This method could boost development time for replacement DMC parts of 
higher quality...

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN #06759 (hood with fuel flap as of today!)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dmcman82" <dmcman73_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> They are reputable. I pre-Ordered my Delorean model from them 
months 
> before it was released. They held my Credit Card on file and when 
> the model came in they shipped it out then billed me for it once it 
> was shipped. Had no problems with them and Highly recomend them.
> 
> Steve



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:45 -0400
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shocks - vendors and other scammers

Steve,
The only vendor out there that offers adjustable pressure rating on the shocks is PJ Grady. They are also rebuildable. I know other vendors offer replacements as well, but I don't think they're adjustable or rebuildable. I have the PJ Grady shocks on my car and they're set at the highest pressure rating. The ride is still smooth and the handling is nice :). They fit in perfectly.

---Dan




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:26:09 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: West Michigan Caravan on Wed.

If there is anyone from the West Michigan area (Grand Rapids, 
Kalamazoo, Holland), or Northern Michigan that is going down to St. 
Louis on Wednesday for the layover and would like to travel with 2 
other deloreans, please give me a call on my cell phone.  616-836-
9225.  We will be leaving Holland, Michigan at 8am.

I'm looking forward to seeing you all again.  This time I will have 
my car :)

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>
Subject: melted fuses

 Hi all. I apologize if this is in an archive somewhere. I went to start
my car after the winter hibernation. Cranked, but would not turn
over. Adding some gas directly to the carb would start the engine, but as
soon as that fuel burned up, the engined stalled. In troubleshooting the
fuel pump, found the fuse for the fuel pump melted in the fuse box. Common
problem? Faulty, rusty, intermittent wiring? I am thinking of doctoring a
fused by-pass, but using the same fuel pump wire. Any ideas/alternate
suggestions?

Mark Fearer
3072
Manchester, New Hampshire




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:15:39 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger

The latest thing is now to use an ELECTRIC blower. It doesn't need 
fancy bracketry or exotic custom exhaust plumbing. Some racers have 
modified leaf blowers but there are venders out there that can supply 
you with units. No turbo lag and full boost at idle! Use blow-off 
valves and be careful over 6 lbs boost.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "mcookwwi" <mark_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I am determined to install a supercharger on my D. I have not found 
> any information other than a picture of a D with a charger and some 
> rough power stats.




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:34:04 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Changing Front Ride Height

This is OK if you don't overdo it. In this case it is "If a little is 
good a lot is better" NOT!!!. If you put too much weight up front it 
will affect the handling and could cause an unsafe driving condition. 
The other main problem is that you MUST take steps to keep the weight 
from shifting. If it should move at the wrong time it could cause a 
loss of control. It will also cause increased tire wear and fuel 
consumption as well as reduce acceleration. This is a very temporary 
solution, and best done staticly, ie, for looks only and not for 
driving. If you insist on lowering the car there are other safer ways 
to do it.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> You have un-earthed a little known secret on how to lower the front 
of your DeLorean. A better choice of ballast (bags of topsoil) is lead 
buckshot available at ammo and some hardware stores. Here's another tip to 
save valuable trunk space. Open your jack storage compartment pull out 
the jack and you will see that the storage area runs the full with of the 
car, a perfect home for the bags of buckshot.



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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:04:15 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean Parts (TAB's specifically)

Martin and List - I appreciate the contributions that DMC Joe has made 
to the support for the DeLorean.  However, if the "quote" below is 
true, I must disagree.  I have personally changed many bolts that were 
bent (and broken) on cars that had been properly maintained in terms 
of the TAB's.  My car, for instance, got a good visual check and 
torque check at every tech session (2 ~ 3 times per year).  Mine broke 
'out of the blue' at one of those tech sessions.  Perhaps you and DMC 
Joe can review some of my thesis on the topic.  You will find that the 
OEM TAB's are most likely yielding a little every time they are loaded 
up during driving.  The "little yields" accumulate into a situation 
where the bolt actually stretches.  This cycle will repeat every time 
the bolt is tightened, until the material reaches it's elastic limit.  
When the material enters the plastic range (a technical term), the 
bolt is in the process of failing in bending or ductile fracture.  The 
OEM bolts will also succumb to corrosion if the yielding doesn't get 
them first.  I will remind you that 1/3 of those responding to the 
poll said that they had experienced bolt bending.  I cannot believee 
that that many cars are improperly maintained.  Of course, the 1/3 
that said they didn't know, and didn't care, are the ones that concern 
me.  Ignorance is not always bliss.

Toby Peterson VIN 2248
Winged1   



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:

> 
> >*Toby-tabs. Very much needed. Why didn't one or two of the vendors 
come up and say, Hey we're interested in your project. Maybe they did, 
but the DML hasn't heard of it.
> >
> DMC Joe did state categorically that the only time he'd known of a 
bolt bending or breaking was when it hadn't been kept torqued. 
Noticing the massive difference in the handling of my D when I torqued 
mine properly has lead me to think that I'll just take that 5-minute 
job on when I can use the 4-poster ramp at the garage (most Saturdays)





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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:16:16 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Shift Pattern

I'll take one last go at this and then give up.

A while back I posted asking how to adjust the 5 speed shift pattern away
from the driver. I had some great replies and the use of the manual helped
to, however I have made the adjustments to their fullest and there still
needs to be more. How can I get just that little bit more?

Cheers
Paul
#6463

www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk






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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:28:31 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean Parts and vendors (long)

Hi Martin,
Thanks for bringing the vendor discussion on to another (and better 
level).

I agree with you when it comes to IDENTICAL parts - We all know that 
DeLorean Motor Cars Ltd. sourced a lot of parts from other vehicles - 
vehicles which have been built in many more thousands than the 
DeLorean. I don't consider such parts as DeLorean specific parts, 
since they were originally sourced from other vehicles from the 80s. 
DeLorean specific parts are parts related to ONLY the DeLorean (for 
instance the AC panel)

My point is still, when you buy a DeLorean specific part (lets say an 
ashtray) why not, in the same order, buy other parts (for instance a 
Bosch fuel pump) you need.

Somehow, to me, its like getting a Christmas present when a large box 
of DMC parts arrive. Funny thing, the price of a Bosch Fuel Pump is 
more expensive to buy in Norway than from the states!) Also, you can 
always put a lower value on the package so that no import tax will 
arise.

Again, I would like to point out that in a few instances some vendors 
have forgotten to include instructions with the parts. That is 
confusing, so in this area, some of the vendors have to become better!

Also - the DOC UK has found many parts that are IDENTICAL to what the 
DeLorean uses. This list (which is NOT a cross-reference, will maybe 
work parts) should be published, at least to the members of the DOC 
UK who has paid membership dues - you mention the part from a Triumph 
Herald, very interesting, but what about the rest of the identical 
parts)

I think its important to show the difference between IDENTICAL and 
cross-reference/will maybe work part.

An identical part would for instance be the Purflux oilfilter, where 
a cross-reference/will maybe work part would be the FRAM oilfilter.
Both look alike on the outside, but not on the inside.

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759




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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:23:48 -0000
From: "jmanis2" <jeff.phillips_at_dml_scott.af.mil>
Subject: The mystery of the center console -- solved

Thought I would post a follow-up to the problem with my center 
console having a 1 inch gap between the vents and bottom of the 
console.  What happened was the bends at the bottom of the faceplate 
had gotten pushed downwards resultign in the entore center piece 
being too low and too far back in the console.   This ofcourse 
complicated fit of the shifter cover plate.  A little bending and the 
placement of a ~ 1 inch wooden block behind and under the bottow of 
the face plate and all is well.  This look smuch better than the 
previous owners method of glueing a black piece of construction paper 
over the gap.  Hes the one that bent the faceplate to begin with!

Jeff Phillips
#10544




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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:35:58 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Metal Reactions

Just to keep the records straight, who can help me in identifying 
good/bad metal reactions...probably for the metallurgists out there :)
We know that some metals interact overtime, creating more or less a 
weld, so that its impossible to get out a bolt for instance because 
of corrosion. Very important to know if you're changing bolts, screws 
and shims on your DeLorean...

Stainless + Stainless = Stainless...
Steel     + Steel     = Steel...or rust over time

Stainless + Steel     = ?

Stainless + Aluminum  = ?
Steel     + Aluminun  = ?

Stainless + Galvanized steel = ?
Steel     + Galvanized steel = ?
Aluminum  + Galvanized steel = ?

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759





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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:59:35 -0400
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New parts

Stian, I put out on the DML list about the torsion bar for the drivers side which as I understand is out of stock.. Not knowing how much exactly it would cost, I figured around $500.00. I got about 5 reply's that would take one. Going to the manufacturing company was a little bit of a challenge. All had retired and one man remembered all the people making them. Once this man is gone, it may be lost forever from the original source.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com
  



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