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Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:46 AM

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There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Trip problems near Oklahoma City.

2. The Resurrection of Vixen Continues... and halts, for now.
From: "Stragand, Dave" <>

3. Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

4. Re: New DeLorean Parts (TAB's specifically)
From: "dmcman82" <>

5. Vendors, new product development...
From: James Espey <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:41:36 EDT
Subject: Trip problems near Oklahoma City.

If anyone on their way to the garthering in Menphis has problems and needs a 
contact in the Oklahoma City area feel free to give me a call.
I can not go to the big show but can assit if anyone needs help passing thur 
my area.  I have a few parts off my car and have most tools anyone might 
need.  Plus I have a safe place to hang out until problems can be resolve.
Jerry Harry


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:54:11 -0400
From: "Stragand, Dave" <>
Subject: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues... and halts, for now.

To answer the most common questions I have gotten over the past few days... no, the top soil was -not- from an approved vendor, and yes, it did break in the front springs, and the car sits about 3" lower now.

Okay, now here's where everything comes to a head.  I have been absolutely busting my butt trying to finish the car before Memphis, working more than 70 hours a week on it on weekends and after work.  I hate to work on a car this way, as it often forces you to make quality decisions based on time.  How much time, for instance, should I spend on panel alignment, when the entire interior still needed installed?  I've had to cut corners just to try and get things done, and that's not how I prefer to work.

Just when I thought I might be able to get done in time, I started having my hot running problems again.  When the engine warmed up, the fuel pressure would drop from 5 bar to 4 bar, causing a real problem with running off-idle.  After replacing pretty much everything in the fuel system, the problem is now gone, but I was never able to get the car out for any kind of serious road-testing.  I did get a chance to go 10 miles before getting pulled over for not having an inspection sticker (no ticket, luckily) and another 40 miles after that with no real problems, but that's hardly proof that the car can make a 1600 mile round-trip, is it?

I've also had problems with one rocker cover gasket leaking oil onto the exhaust manifold causing a lot of smoke to pour off of the engine.  I replaced that this morning, before getting my state inspection.  By the time I got to the service center, it was almost pouring oil out, dripping a puddle the size of a dinner plate onto the floor in less than five minutes.  At that rate, I would be losing about a quart an hour just at idle, probably more at speed.  I think the cover on this engine is warped from the fire it was invloved in back in '81.  I can fix it, but not fix it properly with the clock ticking as fast as it is.

After totally failing the emissions inspection (without which I cannot get a safety inspection), I had a choice to make.  I can roll the dice and try driving to Memphis, or wait and just do things right.

If I was to fix the oil leak, I would be out of time trying to get everything else done: repainting the louvers, install the door seals, windshield trim, headliners, trunk seal, torsion bar adjustment, headlight alignment, and more.  I still need at least two weeks to get the car where I'd like it to be.

I once wrote to the list "if it's worth doing, it's worth waiting, and that works on a lot of levels".  So, taking my own advice, I will -not- be taking the car to Memphis.  After this amount of time, it's just not worth the gamble.  I could easily lose too much oil and fry the engine... or even worse.  From starting with a big pile of parts and a frame, to actually driving the car around has been accomplishment enough for me (for now), and I just don't think it's fair to myself or the car to risk everything thus far accomplished just to get to this show.

Believe it or not, this is -not- a big disappointment to me.  Rather, it is a huge weight off of my chest.  I no longer have to worry about whether the car is going to make it to Memphis in its current state, and I can relax and enjoy the trip and the show.  To me, doing this kind of restoration work is supposed to be about relaxation, and for the last two months it has not been.  I now have the opportunity to enjoy the car again; it will get done, it will be right, and I will enjoy doing it.  That's what it's all about after all.

Tomorrow, we'll pack a car that actually has functional air conditioning, and see y'all in Memphis!

-Dave Stragand
VIN #05927


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:42:41 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger

I think the first thing to go will be the pistons. Mark Levy's car 
blew the ring lands and he thinks it was due to overboost. You are 
correct that at some point the heads would need to be grooved and "O" 
ringed but before that the pistons and the compression ratio should be 
changed so as to use higher levels of boost. It probably also needs a 
different camshaft, vacuum advance and a lot of other mods so as to be 
able to tolerate and use the boost over 6 lbs. Besides if you are 
running an automatic the trans probably won't live long anyway over 6 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., id <ionicdesign_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> you can actually go over 6lbs of boost but the heads or block must 
be machined to
> receive an o-ringed head gasket if they even make the gasket for the 
prv engine. also
> you need a greater amount of fuel and some type of high performance 
ignition unit with
> adjustible timing controls. fel-pro makes these type of gaskets and 
i dont know if they
> have an application for the prv v6.
> mark
> jtrealtywebspannet wrote:
> ..Use blow-off
> > valves and be careful over 6 lbs boost.
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757
> >
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "mcookwwi" <mark_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> > > I am determined to install a supercharger on my D. I have not 
> > > any information other than a picture of a D with a charger and 
> > > rough power stats.


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:06:55 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean Parts (TAB's specifically)

As I was restoring my Delorean the TAB's were the first to be 
changed. I noticed that my drivers side one was missing the shims 
and upon removal of the bolt (with a big hammer and swearing) I 
found it bent! The passenger side one was in perfect condition 
though (I changed it anyway). Funny but the drivers side one had one 
nut and the passenger side one had two nuts abd they were of the 
self locking ones too. I would double nut it just to be on the safe 
side becasue the stress that they have to handle along with the 
pivoting action from the Trailing arm and the bushing itself can 
make a "virtual" wrench and loosen even the tightest self locking 
nut. The second nut would keep the other in place since it locks 
against it and there is nothing that rubs on it to loosen it. IMHO 
of course.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Martin - During my activities changing out TAB's and generally 
> checking the condition of other people's suspensions, I have run 
> across some cars that seem to be more "accurately made" than 
> In checking TAB's in these cars, the bolts slid easily out, with 
> apparent preloads or misalignments.  There was very little 
evidence of 
> wear or distress on the bolts, or on the other components in the 
> joint.  The owners of these few cars wanted new TAB's anyway, but 
> was struck by the easy removal and installation of the bolts.  By 
> contrast, other cars required a large hammer, pry bars, and a 
> amount of swearing and cursing to get the old bolts out, and the 
> bolts went in with some minor degree of difficulty.  As is the 
> with all of these beautiful cars, there is a large variation in 
> they were put together.  You obviously have one of these rare gems 
> that were assembled correctly and accurately.  Hang on to her.  
> I will not be in Memphis for the "Big Show".  Timing was very bad 
> me this year, so I have asked some of my fellow PNDC members who 
> be there to take lots of pictures, and give the rest of us a full 
> report.  Thanks for your continued interest in supporting this 
> automobile.
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
>  My position is simply based on having a low mileage car with 
> suspension components in 99% condition. My TABs are not rusty, nor 
> bent, and are torqued properly.


Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:01 -0500
From: James Espey <>
Subject: Vendors, new product development...

Precisely why I had to smile when Stian mentioned this - it's a great idea
to have people pre-pay to order a part that's being developed, but when it's
time for people to put their money where their mouth is, it's often a
different story.

On things like the switches, door handles, etc - in order to make the cost
reasonable (note that the three aforementioned products actually came DOWN
in price from previous retail), a relatively large minimum order for
production is required. Particularly when you consider how many cars are
left and actively used.

So it becomes a numbers game - how many can you sell, at what price, to get
a return on the investment (at least recovering expenses, preferably making
some money if for nothing else than to have something ELSE remanufactured)?
A lot of stuff doesn't make the cut (yet) based on that.

Stian mentioned the two tank senders, and Martin pointed out that
competition is healthy. In this case, Tankzilla is a fine product, and we
have used them for several years. But the price turns a lot of people off,
and at times, we have had problems with availability (though not very
often). Our tank sender will retail for considerably less than half the
price of Tankzilla, and as we had them manufactured ourselves, availability
shouldn't be a problem for us.


>> Why don't some of the vendors do this?
>> Put forward an offer on a part that will be reproduced. Let people
>> pre-order, and hold the credit card on when the part has
>> been reproduced they charge the card and ship it out.
>> This method could boost development time for replacement DMC parts
>> of higher quality...
> prior to embarking. He didn't ask for a "credit card commitment" up front as
> suggested above, just an indication of interest.  As a vendor for 16 years,
> support expressed, how hard could it be to sell 100 sets?
> Harder than we thought.  After 5+ months of fairly high visibility on the DML
> we have sold exactly 59 sets.  Many of those who expressed initial support
> never came through with orders.
> Was it worth putting up close to 6 grand to see so little (less than 1%)
> interest in the TABs?  Not from a business perspective. But we who support the
> hobby the rest of you enjoy will keep doing it.  Or most will.  Its up to you.
> Darryl T.
> Specialty Automotive 


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