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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1073
Date: Saturday, June 15, 2002 6:22 AM

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Topics in this digest:

1. Memphis Update
From: "Dave Swingle" <>

2. RE: "Resurrected Barn Relic"

3. Re: "Resurrected Barn Relic"
From: "tmpintnl" <>

4. Re: Burned DeLorean :(
From: "robert parker" <>

5. Burned DeLorean pictures
From: "Derrick Viane" <>

6. Re: Re: slight idle problem and acceleration noise

7. Re: slight idle problem and acceleration noise
From: "basfe25" <>

8. Re: RE: Vendors, new product development...
From: "Joseph Molino" <>

9. Memphis Update
From: "daveswingle2" <>

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:02:19 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <>
Subject: Memphis Update

Be sure to check for today's update - almost
live from Memphis. Everyone's here, the worlds largest
collection of wet DeLoreans.

Dave Swingle


Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:19:35 -0400
Subject: RE: "Resurrected Barn Relic"

I found this red Delorean in a barn.  I was at a car show when a guy walked up to me while I was showing my car (ELMO at that time) and he said ". . .I painted that car".  He also said he knew where another one was at that time.  So I asked where it was located and he told me about the barn red Delorean.  Sure enough when I went to go look at the car the car was located under bales of hay, so saga of the barn red Delorean was born.  I mentioned this car at a Pacfic Northwest Delorean Club meeting and a member was very interested.  We went up and looked at the car and after some hard thought the car was bought.

Jim Sawyer
vin 4149 "Camille" formaly known as ELMO 
"_designer_" <> wrote:

>I'm glad I wandered back to the DML after a 5 year absence... the 
>Yahoo Groups interface is a nice touch.
>I would like to find out more about the DMC who's photo is posted in 
>the group's album (Posted: 28-Feb-2002 by tmpintnl)...  The red DMC.  
>Please e-mail me or write to the list with a little history.  Sorry 
>if info already exists on this car.  I searched the archives but 
>found nothing :(
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Jim Sawyer
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:04:51 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <>
Subject: Re: "Resurrected Barn Relic"

A brief story is told in message post #23583.  The car is currently in 
my barn getting some cosmetic customization work done.  We are working 
up a new headlight/driving light/turn signal treatment for it that 
should turn out to be interesting.  There are a number of other 
cosmetic modifications that are planned.  The frame issues are still 
to be resolved - some impact damage from a tall curb.  The engine is 
running well.  There are some issues with brakes - corrosion in the 
calipers.  We have new calipers to be installed this weekend.  There 
are some missing pieces for the driver's side door latches, but I have 
supplied some spare parts to correct that.  The car was painted after 
it suffered some impact damage, and was repaired using standard body 
work techniques, rather than panel replacement.  I understand from the 
owner that the car will eventually get a black paint job (probably).  
I am not sure what else I can add at this time.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248 (mine - not the red one)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "_designer_" <_designer__at_dml_y...> wrote:

> I would like to find out more about the DMC who's photo is posted in 
> the group's album (Posted: 28-Feb-2002 by tmpintnl)...  The red DMC. 


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:57:06 +0000
From: "robert parker" <>
Subject: Re: Burned DeLorean :(

'Tis time to consult an attorney.  Not only should you receive compensation 
for the loss, but the Ins. Co. should then cover your legal expenses.    Sic 
'em, & hold on.    Drive Stainless   Robert VIN 6924

From: "Derrick Viane" <>
Subject: [DML] Burned DeLorean :(
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:14:12 +0000

Well Group back about two weeks after 9-11  I wrote to tell you all that my
D was burned to the ground.  Well here is an update.  It was determined that
the fire was intentionaly set.  At this time I still have no solid leads as
to who might have done this.  The insurance company has denied my claim on
the basis of "misrepresentation of facts and circumstances surrounding the
loss"  which means that they think I had something to do with it, which I
did not, and I don's think they have any evidence to support it because they
have not charged me.  In the first denial letter they gave a very vauge
reason why the denied it and finally after several failed attempts to
elaborate I went to the insurance commission and they got a little more but
still not much.
     The reason I am writing you is to ask all of you parts junkies what you
might offer me for whats left of my car so that I might fight my insurance
co.  As of right now I do not have a place to host all of the images for
whats left and as soon as I can find a host I will let everybody know.  In
the mean time I can give a general idea of whats left;  whole front portion
of car hood w/pleats & flap, both quarters, both front rims, pretty much
everything from the wipers forward.  I am sure the frame is still good
(Automatic) I am unsure of the engine becase the engine compartment
sustained heavy damage. Possibly the back rims.  That is a basic rundown of
whats left.  Like I said as soon as I can I will post some pics untill then
you can e-mail me direct at ghettodmc(at)

until the next time


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:04:57 +0000
From: "Derrick Viane" <>
Subject: Burned DeLorean pictures

here is a link to the page on the DMC News page its under "Buy and Sell" 
then "DMC Parts and Memorabilia for Sale" entitled "Burned DeLorean"

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:34:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: slight idle problem and acceleration noise

In a message dated 6/13/02 6:11:51 PM Central Daylight Time, writes:

> Two months ago, I have the exact same problem.  The cause of 
> this problem is dirty fuel line.  One of my injector does not spray 
> well.  Once the injector is cleaned, the car idle smoothly.

I have a hard time believing i have a dirty injector.  four months ago my 
entire fuel system was serviced and evaluated by Grady and all bad parts were 
replaced and the rest certified as ok.  any other ideas?

is there a good fuel system cleaner i could try running?  i am very skeptical 
of that kind of stuff and do not want to ruin my fuel system with harsh 

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:51:59 -0000
From: "basfe25" <>
Subject: Re: slight idle problem and acceleration noise

This is a shot in the dark but usually a metallic rattle or high 
pitch rattle on acceleration is usually ( like I said usually not 
100%) the catalytic convertor. The honey comb inside breaks apart 
and then rattles away in there at higher speeds when there is a high 
force of exhaust passing through it. Also you might want to check to 
make sure all the bolts are on the metal heat shields that are ontop 
of the crossover pipes. They are mounted directly onto the pipe and 
if a bolt rusts off or falls out then that shield will rattle.
 Another noise maker that will sound like "wooshing air" would be 
the alternator as it's going bad. It will have a high pitch sound to 
it and sorta sound like a whistle and turn into a grinding noise due 
to the bearings going on it. Have someone rev the engine while in 
neutral and the parking brakes on while your listening in the engine 
compartment. Pay attention around the alternator and work your way 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> thanks to Gary (checksix), i was able to find the problem with my 
idle not 
> kicking down.  my throttle was incorrectly adjusted ever since i 
bought the 
> car in 2000!!  well it kicks down like it should, in fact, the car 
seems to 
> have a lot more kick now than it used to!  i love it!
> my only complaint is that the idle is a little random at idle 
speed.  the 
> needle seems to hover around 750 or so, and it moves around all 
over the 
> place randomly from about 450 to almost 1000, then it goes back to 
750 for a 
> bit, then dances, then back to 750.  i know the engine isn't 
supposed to be 
> super smooth, but seems a little excessive.  what can i do to 
smoothen things 
> out?  i know my engine CAN be better because it used to be until i 
> everything over again.  sometimes it is so erratic my oil pressure 
> drops to 40 like it usually does at idle speed.
> also, i've had this problem for a while too - on accelerating in 
any gear in 
> any manner, i hear a noisy vibration sound from the engine between 
about 2500 
> to 2900 RPM.  you can go slow and it starts, or you can go fast, 
it's there.  
> it's quite high frequency, sounds metallic.  it used to sound like 
> whooshing in an odd way, but lately it's sounded abrasive.  it 
will do this 
> upon deceleration too, but it doesn't sound as loud.
> any idea what this could be?
> Andy
> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:00:41 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <>
Subject: Re: RE: Vendors, new product development...

you might a good idea about the red blinker light at the edge of the side
mirror but have you really thought out the courtesy light facing down?  The
door would be up instead of out like most modern cars.

Just my 2 cents

vin 2850
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Thome" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] RE: Vendors, new product development...

> Stian,
> Your suggestion about vendors getting their money up front for a product
> they are interested in bringing to market is an excellent one. If any of
> established vendors were to propose a product and it appealed to me I'd be
> willing to pay for it in advance with the idea that my money would be
> returned in a reasonable time if the development was abandoned.
> Speaking of side mirrors, one idea I'd like to see come to market is a
> mirror which could easily replace the original side mirror but that would
> incorporate a red turn signal on its outer edge. A white curtsey light at
> the bottom to illuminate the ground below it might not be a bad idea
> I've seen both those features on some high end new model cars and SUVs I
> think they both are a good safety feature. The mirror would have to rather
> closely resemble the original mirrors so as to not spoil the original
> beautiful look to the car.
> Joe Thome
> VIN 6467
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stian Birkeland" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:47 PM
> Subject: [DML] RE: Vendors, new product development...
> > A few comments -
> > If there is trouble to have people pay after a part has been developed,
> why not make them pay in advance?
> > I, for one, would have absolutely no trouble with that. I'm one of DMC
> Houston most satisfied customers, their service and knowledge is great,
> lets face it - it is only they who can take the DeLorean on to "another
> level" based on their warehouse of DeLorean parts.
> >
> > Again, I would like to remind people of the poll concerning new
> re-developed parts.
> >
> > James, does DMC Houston have plans for a small temperature gadget that
> could be fitted in the space of the centre console clock? It would be very
> nice to know the outside temperature. Wide angle mirrors are also a thing
> that would make the DeLorean more modern.
> >
> > And the torsion bar issue. Do you have the blueprints/info on how to
> these bars or is this info lost?
> > If it is lost, be sure to get in touch with the retired engineers at
> Grumman before they pass away. We need this info.
> >
> > Finally, you have mentioned that a bracket is coming soon, the bracket
> holding down the T-panel behind the rear louvers. When will that be ready?
> >
> > Other than this, can you tell us what other parts DMC Houston are
> considering to re-manufacture?
> >
> > Very best wishes
> > Stian Birkeland
> > Norway
> >
> > VIN # 06759
> >
> > Unfortunately unable to attend Memphis :-( But you guys have a great
> you hear! :-)
> >
> >
> > Message: 5
> >    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:01 -0500
> >    From: James Espey <>
> > Subject: Vendors, new product development...
> >
> > Precisely why I had to smile when Stian mentioned this - it's a great
> > to have people pre-pay to order a part that's being developed, but when
> it's
> > time for people to put their money where their mouth is, it's often a
> > different story.
> >
> > On things like the switches, door handles, etc - in order to make the
> > reasonable (note that the three aforementioned products actually came
> > in price from previous retail), a relatively large minimum order for
> > production is required. Particularly when you consider how many cars are
> > left and actively used.
> >
> > So it becomes a numbers game - how many can you sell, at what price, to
> get
> > a return on the investment (at least recovering expenses, preferably
> making
> > some money if for nothing else than to have something ELSE
> remanufactured)?
> > A lot of stuff doesn't make the cut (yet) based on that.
> >
> > Stian mentioned the two tank senders, and Martin pointed out that
> > competition is healthy. In this case, Tankzilla is a fine product, and
> > have used them for several years. But the price turns a lot of people
> > and at times, we have had problems with availability (though not very
> > often). Our tank sender will retail for considerably less than half the
> > price of Tankzilla, and as we had them manufactured ourselves,
> availability
> > shouldn't be a problem for us.
> >
> > James
> >
> > >> Why don't some of the vendors do this?
> > >> Put forward an offer on a part that will be reproduced. Let people
> > >> pre-order, and hold the credit card on when the part has
> > >> been reproduced they charge the card and ship it out.
> > >> This method could boost development time for replacement DMC parts
> > >> of higher quality...
> > >
> > (SNIP)
> > > prior to embarking. He didn't ask for a "credit card commitment" up
> front as
> > > suggested above, just an indication of interest.  As a vendor for 16
> years,
> > (SNIP)
> > > support expressed, how hard could it be to sell 100 sets?
> > >
> > > Harder than we thought.  After 5+ months of fairly high visibility on
> the DML
> > > we have sold exactly 59 sets.  Many of those who expressed initial
> support
> > > never came through with orders.
> > (SNIP)
> > > Was it worth putting up close to 6 grand to see so little (less than
> > > interest in the TABs?  Not from a business perspective. But we who
> support the
> > > hobby the rest of you enjoy will keep doing it.  Or most will.  Its up
> to you.
> > > Darryl T.
> > > Specialty Automotive
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:15:39 -0000
From: "daveswingle2" <>
Subject: Memphis Update

Friday update is posted at - more tomorrow. A couple 
of new project cars have surfaced - including the worlds first two-
engine DeLorean. Check the site too, I have heard 
photos are being posted there as well.

The weather cleared up, tonights entertainment was great... Tomorrow 
is the Big Show. 

Dave Swingle


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