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Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:38 PM

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1. Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

2. Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

3. Memphis Sunstar contest
From: Ian Stewart <istewart_at_dml_mac.com>

4. Re: Cooling Fan and Air conditioning Question
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. Re: Key Copies.. Thanks everyone!
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. DeLorean Steel Products
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

8. Re: Angle Drive (Was: Mileage on a Delorean...)
From: "janvdwouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

9. Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?
From: Richard Lew <evm2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Vendors, new product development...
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Panaramic view
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?
From: "sgskbm" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

13. Minichamps Model.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

14. Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

15. Re: Cooling Fan and Air conditioning Question
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: Memphis Sunstar contest (show photos and video)
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

17. Re: Key Copies.. Got my copies! Thanks again!
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:09:08 EDT
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?

In a message dated 6/16/02 1:58:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
iqmpike_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

<< My question is this..... does low mileage really mean anything???
 
 Would I be ok driving this on the weekends like I want to, or should 
 I buy another Delorean for that, and shrink-wrap this one in a 
 carcoon? >>

Sounds like your driving yourself nuts. You can't take it with you....In my 
mind the car is to enjoy as much and as often as possible. The splendid 
condition is your good fortune and for your benefit. If I were you I'd enjoy 
it the way it was intended to be enjoyed. You have equity in the car. 
Maintain it. Give it everything it needs when it needs it and your equity 
will remain. It's what it's worth to you that's important.  Having something 
you value highly is of no benefit if you live in constant fear of loosing it. 
There is no reason that car can't look and perform the way it does now with 
50,000 or 100,000 miles on it.  Protect the frame from corrosion and the 
interior from sun. The rest is simple....

On the other hand, I know that in my life, everything I own is for sale. 
Including my Delorean. It's the price thats the issue. If someone offered me 
more than it was worth to me I'd sell it. There's 36 Deloreans for sale in 
the US right now on TraderOnline. You could probably replace it functionally 
quite easily. And if you could do it and have money left in the bank when 
you're done....why not.
Just my 2 cents....
Jim 6147



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:02:30 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?

Drive it.  Deloreans are meant to be enjoyed by the owner and the general
public looking at it.  What's the point in looking at it?  Use it and relish
in the idea of having a really nice one.  For me,  I paid to have my car and
I am going to enjoy it.  it also improves our car's rep by having one on the
road in excellent condition.  You are kind of like showcasing it to the
public saying " this is how cool a delorean can be"  Not " don't drive the
thing, would you like to see my museum.

Just my humble 2 cents worth.  I  love mine.

good luck

Joseph Molino
vin 2850
----- Original Message -----
From: "iqmpike" <iqmpike_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:37 PM
Subject: [DML] Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?


> hey all...
>
[moderator snip]
>
> the MAJOR selling point for me was the mileage, only having 4300
> miles on it when I got it....
>
> I not have about 5100 on it now.... I specifically never drive it (I
> start it once a week, and take it around the block a few times)
> because of the low mileage.
>
[moderator snip]
> > opinions appreciated.... is it really worth me keeping the mileage
> low, and drooling over my own car because I don't want to drive it
> and run up the miles?
>
> Mike
> VIN 855



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:20:45 -0700
From: Ian Stewart <istewart_at_dml_mac.com>
Subject: Memphis Sunstar contest

Does anybody have any pictures of the Sunstar model modification 
contest? I read that Tamir won, but I couldn't find any pictures of the 
entries...

Ian S.




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:42:26 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan and Air conditioning Question

You are correct in thinking that the cooling fans cycle on and off but 
when you have the A/C on they run continuously. If the A/C is off and 
the fans won't stop the Otterstadt switch may be faulty or your 
cooling system may just be running so hot that the switch won't shut 
the fans off. Should run cooler then 220 degrees-closer to 180. You 
could have air in the system, a partially plugged radiater, a bad 
cooling fan, a loose fan on a shaft, a fan running the wrong way etc.
 Depending on inside and outside temperatures and the level of Freon 
and the adjustment of the pressure switch the car may be running 
normally.
 Since you just purchesed this car and you don't know the service 
history you may require a cooling system service to replace old parts 
and flush with fresh Anti-Freeze. It would also be a good idea to 
check the Brake and Clutch fluid, it is supposed to be changed every 2 
years.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "mparish.ga" <mparish.ga_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just purchased a 1982 Delorean and after driving it long enough to 
get the engine hot the cooling fan came on, but since it came on it 
has stayed on. Any ideas as to what's wrong with it. Where should I 
start? I assume it should cut off once the temp drops back down below 
220? 
> 
> Also, the air in the car seems to cycle on and off. After driving 
and running the air for about 10-15 minutes, the fan/compressor? will 
cut off for about 10-20 seconds and then cut back on. I had a mechanic 
tell me that was ok, it was just the way it worked? Does this sound 
right? Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Michael Parish
> #11225
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:51:07 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?

Mileage does matter to some people. Assume two identical cars in all 
respects, the one with lower mileage is certainly more desireable TO A 
DEGREE. If the "low mileage" car hasn't been used regularly or worse 
won't run then it isn't more desireable. Some insurance companies 
limit the amount of mileage you can accumulate in a certain period and 
depending on your State and how it is registered may also limit you 
but a 20 year old car with less then 1,000 miles per year or 20,000 
miles I think qualifies as low mileage. I have seen cars with less 
then 1,000 miles that need A LOT of work and I have seen cars with 
20,000 that wouldn't need as much. 100,000 miles is a whole lot 
different then 20,000 on a 20 year old car, condition is the major 
determining factor at this point in time, besides who trusts mileage 
with the crummy history of the angle drive?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Meyerleem_at_dml_c... wrote:
> DRIVE IT!!! My Car has 14000 Original miles on it the seat are 
perfect as is 
> the rest of the car. It isn't original becaused of the twin turbos 
but looks 
> great. You but the car to have something cool, must attention 
getting car on 
> the road. Enjoy it the money you save on apprieciation isn't worth 
the missed 
> enjoyment
> 
>                                                     Lee Meyer
>                                                             #1699
>     Yes I do have the black interior and gas flap I also have the 
5spd.




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:51:13 -0000
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Key Copies.. Thanks everyone!

Thanks for all the replies everybody, I am going key hunting on 
Monday.

Adam




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:27:58 -0400
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: DeLorean Steel Products

Has anyone heard from Dirk, who sells DMC logos in stainless?  His site
address does not work anymore.

Tom
#5732

http://www.geocities.com/outatime81/




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:37:22 -0000
From: "janvdwouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Angle Drive (Was: Mileage on a Delorean...)

--- In dmcnews David Teitelbaum wrote:

> besides who trusts mileage 
> with the crummy history of the angle drive?

I for one don't; 
This weekend I fixed my Speedo drive for the 5th time in one 
year...
To get it working I spent 3 hours assembling, testing, 
disassembling, testing other things, reassembling etc. etc.
untill I finally had it working.
For how long? Nobody knows... 
Might be a year or even two, on the other hand it might just break 
down after 2 miles of driving again. Meanwhile I've spent well 
over $500,- dollars on replacement parts and repairs and have 
had it working for little over 1500 miles, while putting more than 
4500 miles on the car as far as I know...

As a backup I'm going to install a Bike-speedo capable of 
300kmh speeds with a readout in KMH instead of miles.
This way I have a KM-odometer, a KMH speedo AND I get a 
readout at 85mph/140kmh+ speeds...

Might seem a good idea, but I'd much rather have a working 
speedo on my dash. I anctiously await the Digital Speedo by 
DMC Texas, but as I understand this might take more than a year 
before it hits the market.
Maybe James can elaborate on this? I'd be willing to take a 
prototype and function as a "Beta-tester"...

As for the mileage, I'd say drive it! Having 5000 miles on it or 
15000 isn't that much of a difference. Putting 50,000 on DOES 
make a difference.
Also ask yourself the question whether the torment of not driving 
it weighs up to the supposed increase in value...

Jan van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:36:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Lew <evm2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?

Mike:

Let's think about this for a bit.  You bought a
beautiful car & now you can't drive it because it has
low mileage and are afraid to add the miles on it.
Why????  What did the 1st owner pay for the car brand
new?  What did you pay for it when you got it?  Did he
make a ton of money?  Do you think you will make a ton
of money when you sell the car before you die?  Is
your life worth wasting away while your Delorean hides
inside the garage taking up space??  GO ENJOY THE CAR
WITH YOUR WIFE, YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR FAMILY!!!  Let
the world see what you got and let them drool.  (Not
on the car please)  

You have the opportunity of a lifetime to drive a
really cool car.  DO IT!!!!

But if you want to drive a slightly used Delorean, we
can swap cars.  I have one that has over 120k miles, 5
speed and it's drivable.  Give me yours and I'll give
you mine and I'll add the mileage for you.

Richard
Danville, Ca




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Vendors, new product development...

Darryl & James . . . very well said!
I've been on this list for over 5 yrs now and it is amazing how many people show
support for a project and then when the time comes disappear like a fart in the
wind! Then to cover the costs some prices go up and people wonder why. 

I don't even have my car yet and I have been supporting the vendors ( even the
"non-vendors" ;-)  and when I get my car I will keep supporting both. And for
those items that no vendor carries . . . if it's within my means I will do it
myself .


Most people are familiar with the "Rule of 20" . . . well there should be another
Rule of 20 applied for those who plan on embarking on a project for the "delorean
community". That is to only expect 20% of the 100% who showed the initial
interest to be there in the end.

Shannon Y
VIN# Still Not Yet!    (less than 1yr and counting)

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:51 -0400
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Panaramic view


The Photographer is 
Photography by St. John
P.O. 07
Morrison, Tennessee 37357
931-635-2547

shutterbugpkr_at_dml_yahoo.com


Gary H 
Can you post this on the web page when you get a chance.






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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:50:01 -0000
From: "sgskbm" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?

--- Every one seems to agree that you should drive it but not too 
many of the people who agreed seem to have a low mileage car. Since I 
do I thought that I would off my personal perspective.

I bought my car with only 7,300 miles on it.  I too wanted 
to "preserve" the lower mileage "image" of my purchase.  The largest 
problem for me was service as it was about 250 miles round trip to 
have the car worked on and.... the Delorean shop that performed the 
work, is well known for never solving any problem on the first, 
second, third or even fourth try! As a result my car now has about 
10,200 miles on it.

After some careful consideration, I decided recently that if I were 
going to purchase a new Delorean, I would not be as concerned as to 
weather the car had 4,000, 10,000 or 15,000 miles as long as it had 
all of the necessary maintenance to make it road worthy.  I have seen 
more low mileage cars, including mine that have had significant 
problems than higher mileage cars.

I would prefer the mileage to be low enough that the car did not 
suffer from wear in the obvious areas.  If the seats, interior and 
outside condition was maintained and it still looked new, then 
anything less than 20,000 miles to me is still low mileage.  

I have decided to drive mine, enjoy it and maintain it.  Naturally, 
since I do own several other cars, I shall try to keep the mileage at 
a reasonable level.  In my case, 1,500 miles per year would more than 
reasonable, would demonstrate that the car is being exercised, kept 
in running condition and would allow for significant enjoyment.  With 
the above formula applied to your car, you would have over ten years 
of enjoyment before arriving at the 20,000 mile mark!

Just an opinion....

Scot
6452





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:24:12 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Minichamps Model.

Looking at the Minichamps model, I'd like to purchase one that has 
the same # as my car's VIN. I know that Houston does not have it, and 
I have asked a couple of sellers of eBay who have the model. None had 
it either. I'm quite content with the Sunstar model, so the 
Minichamps one with a matching VIN would be more for the purpose of 
owning it to say I do, rather than for enjoying it (just being 
honest). I'm also quite turned off the the model when I called the 
company Minichamps directly. Thinking that this is a company that 
deals in models of classic cars, maybe there was someone else out 
there like me who may want a model that matches their particular car, 
for whatever type of model they make. But I guess I was wrong because 
they have never done anything like this before. A man who barely 
spoke any english answered the phone, and was quite rude. When I 
inquired about purchasing a model with a specific #, the man 
replied "That's impossible, you can't." Now I realize that when they 
distribute product, they don't nessisarily know where it will end up. 
Let alone one with a specific serial #. Now I deal with broadband 
products, so I've seen when we recieve bulk shipments of modems in, 
and they have sequencial #'s. So thinking upon these lines, I realize 
that my higer VIN would be in a later shipment, and I might be able 
to track it from there. So when I asked the guy when the shipments 
were sent, and who they were sent to so I could track them down. The 
guy then immediately snapped back "WHY!". So I then explain to him so 
that I could track them down. He then says "I told you, that's 
impossible!" And then continues to mumble incoherently. I'm not a 
rude person, but seeing that I was dealing with a severe case of 
incompetence, I just said "Thanks", and ended the call there.

I'd like to get my particular VIN # in the sun star model, but I can 
see now that isn't going to happen. But for those that may be 
interested, I have discovered that the person targetopeat (AT) 
aol.com has VIN #'s 500-1400. So I help that information helps 
someone out there. Other than that, I only hope that Minichamps put's 
more effort into their models then they do their customer service...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:34:42 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage on a Delorean - does it matter?

The greatest pleasure of owning this car is driving it!  I recently met a
guy who had his professionally restored at DeLorean One, and he drives it
every day as his only car.  Using it is not abusing it, and the car was
never intended to sit as a decoration.  I'll be driving mine until it's
simply no longer feasible.  Thanks to the vendors and DeLorean specialty
shops out there, I should have many happy years driving my dream.  You are
very fortunate to have come across such a pristine example, which is why I
believe you should make the most of your experience.  There has been no bad
day that a drive in my DeLorean can't cure.

Just have fun with it, whatever you choose to do!

payne
#2975
(getting along better since the "unpleasantness")





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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:12:15 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan and Air conditioning Question

A clarifacation on this previous post. The A/C WILL cause the fans to 
run continously ie, as long as the compresser is running the A/C 
circuit will override the otterstadt switch and run the fans. When the 
compressor stops if the otterstadt switch isn't hot enough then the 
fans will stop. (Fanzilla changes this a little.)
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> You are correct in thinking that the cooling fans cycle on and off 
but 
> when you have the A/C on they run continuously. If the A/C is off 
and 
> the fans won't stop the Otterstadt switch may be faulty or your 
> cooling system may just be running so hot that the switch won't shut 
> the fans off. Should run cooler then 220 degrees-closer to 180. You 
> could have air in the system, a partially plugged radiater, a bad 
> cooling fan, a loose fan on a shaft, a fan running the wrong way 
etc.
>  Depending on inside and outside temperatures and the level of Freon 
> and the adjustment of the pressure switch the car may be running 
> normally.
>  Since you just purchesed this car and you don't know the service 
> history you may require a cooling system service to replace old 
parts 
> and flush with fresh Anti-Freeze. It would also be a good idea to 
> check the Brake and Clutch fluid, it is supposed to be changed every 
2 
> years.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:55:38 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Memphis Sunstar contest (show photos and video)

Ian and List,

I'm sure Tamir will be posting photos of his "award winning" model
in an update to his site very soon.  I saw it for the first time at
one of the Delorean Midwest Connection functions and it was the first
(and still the best) custom SunStar model I have seen (in person).
As far as the details about Tamir's customized SunStar model, you do
not need to look much further than photos of his car.

From our last conversation on the trip home from Memphis, Tamir said
he plans on a few "major" updates to both his website and my projects
website, including photos and videos from Memphis.  I'm sure he has
enough material for several updates throughout the summer months.

Tamir has been busy with finals and graduation, but he assures me that
he will be posting the progress photos of the two new projects that
were seen in public (and in action) for the first time, in Memphis.
Both the Delorean Convertible (or Roadster, for now - thanks Dave S.)
and the Delorean Hover Conversion are about 80% complete.  Although
both were not completed, I could not wait until 2004 to show them.

D Rex's Debut at it's first all Delorean event was great and I thank
all of you who took the time to stop by with praise and encouragement
with all of my current Delorean projects.  There are several more
Delorean projects to come, so check the websites often for progress,
www.entermyworld.com and www.entermyworld.com/rich.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Ian Stewart <istewart_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Does anybody have any pictures of the Sunstar model modification 
> contest? I read that Tamir won, but I couldn't find any pictures of 
the 
> entries...
> 
> Ian S.




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:55:07 -0000
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Key Copies.. Got my copies! Thanks again!

I went back to home depot and told them that the axxess+ 51 key 
worked. The guy said that it wouldn't work because the original key 
wouldn't fit in the key slot thing they use to measure it. I had him 
make a copy anyway and it worked. 

Thanks all.

> Adam




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