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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1078
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

2. Owners in the panhandle
From: Scott Cagle <sharkywtrs_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. RE: simple question - hood dome light connector
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

4. RE: New to the Group
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

5. Re: DeLorean Tires again
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. A few general questions
From: "rbmcgow" <rbmcgow_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Key Copies
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

8. Re: New things appearing
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. DeLorean Tires again
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

10. Water Leaks
From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

11. Re: stock delorean
From: "_designer_" <_designer__at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Financing a delorean-Question to all
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

13. Re: New things appearing
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

14. RE: Georgia Delorean Dealers
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_attbi.com>

15. acceleration noise found! how to fix??
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: Financing a delorean-Question to all
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: stock delorean
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

18. Re: Financing a Delorean - Question to all
From: rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com

19. DeLorean Car Show T-Shirts
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

20. next year
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>

21. Need picture of DMC Plate
From: "Steven Lawrence" <vipertv_at_dml_cableone.net>

22. DeLorean font
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:38:49 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger

Vin #6068 had a ISLAND turbo kit on it running 6Lbs of boost, and I believe it had been running with a cracked ring for a few years.  The engine is out of the car, but has not been disassembled yet to find the cause of the problem.. When I get around to it, I will report what I find so other Turbo owners can be warned.

While in Memphis, I spoke to some people who had turbo kits on their car.  All denied having any oil burning problem, or other engine related problems due to the boost.. One guy was even running 10Lbs and claimed he had no problems..  I later saw this car with black smoke out the tailpipe AT IDLE (even my car was not that bad!).

I agree with David, that to run boost on our PRV engines more than just a bolt on kit is needed.  One requirement is Fuel Enrichment, which in most cases is a pressure switch to ground the O2 sensor.  IMHO, this is not enough.  I'd also look in to replacing the pistons, rings, and head gasket with items from a Alpine (310/610/GT) which were designed to be used with Turbos.  Of course, this becomes cost prohibitive; which is why #6068 is undergoing a engine conversion.

Many of you saw #1860 this weekend in Memphis.  While it is not obvious from the outside, Legend changed just about every part INSIDE the engine and they did not do this for fun.  They did it because the stock PRV just cant handle the boost.  BTW, This car made the 2200 mile round trip with no problems.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jtrealtywebspannet [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:43 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Decision has been made: Supercharger
> 
> 
> I think the first thing to go will be the pistons. Mark Levy's car 
> blew the ring lands and he thinks it was due to overboost. You are 
> correct that at some point the heads would need to be grooved and "O" 
> ringed but before that the pistons and the compression ratio 
> should be 
> changed so as to use higher levels of boost. It probably also needs a 
> different camshaft, vacuum advance and a lot of other mods so 
> as to be 
> able to tolerate and use the boost over 6 lbs. Besides if you are 
> running an automatic the trans probably won't live long anyway over 6 
> lbs.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
>



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Cagle <sharkywtrs_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Owners in the panhandle



Hey everyone;

Looks like I'm going to be relocating to Pensacola, Fla.  Are there any owners in the area?


Scott
16738

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:20:26 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: simple question - hood dome light connector

Hank!  We drove to Memphis and back together and you never mentioned this to me..  :)

Just pop the front grille off, reach in and push the wire back though the hole.  

BTW, Congrads on winning in Memphis!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hank Eskin [mailto:heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:17 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] simple question - hood dome light connector
> 
> 
> 
> While preparing for Memphis, I pulled one of the two 
> connectors between the
> hood and the front fascia that power the dome light in the 
> hood.  The other
> end dropped into that little hole in the fascia area, and for 
> the life of
> me, I can't figure out how to fish it back out. I can see it 
> down there, but
> can't reach it with needle pliers.
>   What do I need to remove (and how) to get that little 
> connector back out?
> I'll be on the road to Knoxville tomorrow, so hopefully I can 
> fix it when I
> arrive there.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -Hank #1619
> 



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:11:14 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: New to the Group

I researched modifications to the PRV last year, and for my purposes decided that it was too costly of a project for the end result.  It was also difficult to source the needed parts in North America, everything would need to come from France or Germany.

If you want to stay with normal aspiration, I'd suggest starting with a 3.0L Eagle block.  Rebuild it and increase the compression (will require premium fuel) and maybe put Peugeot heads on it (they have a counter balance).  This starting point will give you a little more displacement (very little!) but more importantly will be a EVEN fire (instead of the DeLorean Odd fire).  With EFI and maybe even DIS, I suspect you could break a REAL 200HP at the crank.  This is probably also the lowest cost option, as Eagle donor motors can be had very cheap (I found complete cars for $300!).

I was looking for more than 200HP, which would require some forced induction.  As I said before, the options were very costly so I decided against doing it.


Painting a DeLorean is a touchy subject.  I dont know how to do it, but suggest you find a car that is already painted or look for a "deal" on a car with damaged stainless.  You may also be able to save some money by calling some of the vendors (Bob Miller, PJ Grady, ect) to see if they will sell you some damaged panels they have laying around (if you buy a car with good ones, you can resell them).  This way, you don't damage perfectly good stainless panels for you paint job.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mauricio Mesa [mailto:mesa_mauricio_at_dml_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] New to the Group
><SNIP>
> 
> I would like to learn specifically about the costs
> involved and modifications available for the Renault
> PVR engine, it could use 50 HP or more.  Also the
> costs involved in painting the outer panels, mike mine
> dark metallic forest green in honor of its home
> country Ireland.  
> 
<SNIP>



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:43:58 -0000
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Tires again

Hey John. I recently got Pirellis, 600s for rear, 6000s for front. I 
had a matched pair of yokohamas before, so thats my only comparison. 
The pirellis make less road noise, and the p6000s for the front have 
an aqua channel for better wet road driving. I live in Oregon and I 
have driven my car in the rain a lot, and I have to say that the 
tires have made a difference. The Pirellis were expensive though.

Adam

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., BondAtomic_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Sorry, I forgot to ask about another tire I saw in Memphis (great 
show, by 
> the way.) I was wondering about the tires with the white lettering 
on them-I 
> thought they looked very good with the car. I don't remember who 
had them, 
> but what brand were they and are they still available?
> 
> Thanks!
> John
> 4275
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:44:12 -0000
From: "rbmcgow" <rbmcgow_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: A few general questions



In the future, I am considering the possibility of purchasing a 
Delorean.  Several Deloreans that I've seen for sale on the auction 
sites have dents.  Here are my questions:

1.  Can a dent be banged out/fixed?
2.  If so, how hard is it to find someone who can do it?

The reason I'm asking is that I need to know how to weigh the value 
of a significant dent (i.e. if the dent was in a door and the door 
needed to be replaced, it would cost about $2000 according to 
Delorean Motor Company - plus shipping!)

Thanks.

  - Bob




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:44:27 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: Key Copies

I tried what you said about using any key, and it will only take the
original door key plus the copy that was mistakenly cut the same on both
sides.  I've never had anyone else to compare my keys to, I just thought it
was unusual for a key to be cut quite differently on either side but still
work both ways.  Unuusal compared to any other car that is.

payne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: RE: [DML] Key Copies


> Are you sure ANY key wont open the door?  I have seen this before.
>
>






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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:52:48 -0000
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New things appearing

Yes, Goodyear still makes the Eagle NCT, just not in our sizes. 
Click on sizes & specs, & you'll see that they only produce
NCT's in 3 sizes, none of which are 195/60R14 or 235/60R15.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., BondAtomic_at_dml_a... wrote:
> It looks as though Goodyear is reproducing the NCT- check out:
> 
> http://www.goodyeartires.com/catalog/products/EAGLENCT.html
> 
> Also, in the July issue of Car and Driver, in the Corvette "Highs
and Lows" 
> section celebrating the 50th year of the car, it has a "low"
paragraph about 
> John DeLorean wanting to put the Corvette on a Camaro chassis to
cut down on 
> costs, and it elaborates. Check it out.
> 
> John
> 4275
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:53:25 -0400
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: DeLorean Tires again

White lettering on tires was on "18 AGIN" - my car. I just bought the car a
few weeks ago and the tires were on it. Rears are Daytona Radial S/R
P235/60-R15. Fronts are the same make /style P195/60-R14. Handled well for
the 2500 mile trip.

Marvin Stein
#17077
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com






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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:02:56 -0000
From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Water Leaks

My souvenir of Memphis was a reminder of my continued inability to 
find the water leak that bugs me every time I drive in the rain (i.e. 
every car show). It doesn't happen all the time. Going INTO Memphis - 
no leaks. Coming out - after about 1/2 hour in the rain, I get a drip 
that seems to come from the left knee pad and lands on my left shin. 
Only when slowing down, (like it collects in the knee pad and then 
falls out on deceleration). 

When I got home a ran a hose all around the area - nothing. I 
suspected the hood stop/wiper opening, but upon further investigation 
those are in the wrong place for where I'm getting wet. It seems to 
me that to collect in the knee pad it would HAVE to be coming in 
through the door seal.

Any ideas? Inner door seals are new (it was a LOT worse with the old 
ones). Outers are original but in decent shape.

Dave Swingle




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:34:06 -0000
From: "_designer_" <_designer__at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: stock delorean

I sure pray the #'s you posted are innacurate... Hopefully one of Car 
& Driver's monkeys got those #'s in 1981 while wearing giant Go-GO 
boots than interfered with the clutch pedal.  I mean, a 79 MPH trap 
speed?  Sounds like poppycock to me.

I will be going to Irwindale Speedway soon to race my DMC against a 
friend's Ford (with 5.0 engine).  The DMC feels faster than a 17-
second car, but perhaps they go fast up to a certain speed, then 
creep along?!




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:36:31 -0400
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Financing a delorean-Question to all

Paul,

I don't know if this will help but I financed a loan to get my D two years ago (I am still paying) and it has never really effected me very much.  Sure, I think that I still have this loan I have to pay on the car but the payments are not as much as I have payed in the past for regular cars.  (Of course I bought a less expensive D to fix up so I didn't need as much money as you may want to spend.)  If you are younger and do not have much income, however, you may want to think about just saving up for the moment, as you will most likely be paying on a DeLorean *AND* an everyday driver unless you already have one that is reliable (and unless you plan on using the DeLorean everyday).  But if you have an everyday driver that you do not need to pay for, I wouldn't see much hurt in trying to get a co-signer and take out a loan for a DeLorean, especially if you can get low payments.  

Richard     

    



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:58:15 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: New things appearing

Unless you have custom wheels on your car these won't fit, the're only
listing 16". The DeLorean fits 14" and 15".

----- Original Message -----
From: <BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:05 AM
Subject: [DML] New things appearing


> It looks as though Goodyear is reproducing the NCT- check out:
>
> http://www.goodyeartires.com/catalog/products/EAGLENCT.html
>





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:11:51 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: RE: Georgia Delorean Dealers

I've noticed from time to time, someone will ask the question "What are the
original Delorean dealers in my state?"
Has anyone thought about posting this list to a website. Perhaps DMC News?





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:25:44 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: acceleration noise found! how to fix??

Hey all,

i think the noise i've heard upon accelerating from 2500-2900 RPM is a thin 
metal heatshield that goes over the pass side exhaust manifold.  it is super 
rusty and loose because it looks like some straps or mounts are broken.

trouble is, i can't find this shield in the part manual - all i see are two 
shields that go on top of the crossover pipes in back... or is the right one 
the one that i need?  doesn't look like the right shape though.  the thing 
that is loose on mine wraps around the manifold.  

i'm guessing this is something i should leave to an exhaust repairman to fix, 
what with all the old rusty exhaust hardware around there.  does anyone know 
what i'm talking about here?  or is this a job that i should be able to do?  
(i'm pretty handy but not when studs break off....)

Later,
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:43:17 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Financing a delorean-Question to all

Paul,

i hope i don't offend, but i am assuming you are college-age or younger.  
would that be correct?  i myself am nearly 20 and in college.  i took out a 
loan on my DeLorean when i was 18 right out of high school and for the first 
year, i poured way more money into the car than i had previously assumed i 
would need.  i mean thousands more.  and my car wasn't shabby when i bought 
it, i'm just improving it, making it show-worthy, making it perfect and 
reliable.  and i'm almost there.  i had a decent job then and was making 
enough disposable income to make my car payments easily but all the parts 
went on a credit card. now i'm working to pay all of that back!!!!  
definitely keep the 'extra expenses' in mind.  

the trick is to buy a car that is cheap enough for your budget (a loan 
officer can help you figure that out) but one that isn't so crappy that it 
will need a lot of work in order to be driveable and give you instant 
enjoyment.  if it turns out you are just on the edge of being able to afford 
it .... DON'T!! you will only be frustrated and probably have to sell it 
months down the line.  also - if you think it will be your only vehicle - 
think again!! you will probably be walking to work/school quite a bit!!! 
stuff happens..

at first buying my DeLorean was a major setback for someone my age but 
personally it has been worth it.  i love my car and i hope i will have it 
forever!  the most fun is being with other owners at club events.  

the truth is, most young people probably can't afford a toy car like this 
(especially one in poor condition).  luckily i'm in financially good shape 
for my age.  i'm only 19, haven't even finished school yet and i already 
gross $30,000 a year with my newest promotion (store manager of a national 
quick-lube chain).  i even get to use my shop whenever i feel like - makes 
oil changes, trans fluid changes, radiator flushes etc super easy!!  i 
consider myself pretty well off for my age - if you are in that position too, 
then by all means...

GET YOURSELF A DELOREAN AND ENJOY IT!!!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:59:30 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: stock delorean

the delorean isn't heavy at all and i never said it was a race car. it is approx 2712
lbs and my 1992 mustang gt is 3420 lbs, that is 708 lbs lighter than a 1992 mustang gt
with a V8 engine. i was wondering because most sports cars have a 1/4 mile time that has
been published in some sort of magazine and the delorean is a sports car not a race car.

mark




crazycracker731_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> It is not a race car and with stainless steel it is heavy but i believe it
> runs 18s
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:22:24 EDT
From: rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Financing a Delorean - Question to all

Paul,
A curious curiosity question! 
Do it!
I know what you are going through. I didn't have to finance my Delorean since 
I didn't have to, but I certainly financed my first, second, third, fourth, 
fifth and many more of my sportscars before I really could afford to indulge 
myself. This was many years ago, but I still remember some of the 
trepidations. Another thing that I remember well is that there were times 
when it was hard to come up with the mony for repairs and upkeep, entry fees, 
etc., but there was always a will and always (at least mostly) a way.
In retrospect; I don't regret a single one of my old cars! The only regret I 
have is that I didn't keep some of them because thay would be worth a fair 
chunk of money today. That I couldn't afford because eventually I got 
married, built a house, had another expensive hobby or two, but I am back at 
it again! (Divorced.)
Sure it is nice to own your car free and clear, but that didn't stop me or 
any of my friends way back when, nor do I think that that has changed much 
over the years.
I was single for a number of years after my first splurge and if you are in 
the same boat: Have at it! 
If you are married: Be careful.
Above all: Enjoy your foibles, you only live once!
And remember: The purchase is not the end of your expenses! (If you follow 
the postings here you have hopefully figured that out for yourself.)  

Roger
VIN 1074



In a message dated 6/18/02 12:27:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com writes:


> I was wondering out of curiosity.  How many people got loans for 
> their d's how many paid straight up, saved up.  Which do you think is 
> better.  I am dieing to get my own Delorean, and I am getting to the 
> point where I dont want to wait until I have it all saved up.  which 
> do you all think is more fulfilling, to have it all payed off when 
> you get it.  Or to work to get it all payed off and have it as a 
> reminder to continue working hard.  I hope you guys know what I 
> mean.  I would love to hear what you all think.  



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:10:41 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show T-Shirts

Hi
I have had quite a few requests for additional T-shirts
There are still some left and available 
if you want them please send a check to 
DeLorean Car Show Inc
4500 Woodland Dr
Mason, OH 45040
They are the same price as at the ashow
$8 for small-XL
$9 for 2X and 3X
Pocket T's with skeleton DeLorean or 
DeLorean with doors open $12.00

Additional Artwork on back add $2.00

mousepads $7

add $2 for shipping 
per order

please specify 

Thanks 

just trying to unwind 


Ken



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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:19:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: next year


Hi All,

I don't know if this has been answered already, but why isn't there a car show planned for next year?

Just curious,

Thanks.



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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:40:28 -0500
From: "Steven Lawrence" <vipertv_at_dml_cableone.net>
Subject: Need picture of DMC Plate

Hello all,

     I'm in the middle of creating a Graceland Car Show license plate
collage of every DeLorean.  At the current time, I'm only missing one plate.
If the owner of Texas plate number M48 ZFS, please contact me off list, or
email me a picture of your plate so I can continue to create this
collage/index of all DeLorean's attending Graceland.

Thanks,
Steven Lawrence
vipertv_at_dml_cableone.net
VIN# - Not yet...
My new DMC Page in the works!





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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:43:59 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: DeLorean font

Some time ago someone had the DeLorean font.  I think it was called
"rustproof".  If Anyone has it please let me know.  I lost my copy.

Thanks,
Matthew
VIN #10365
VIN #16816




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