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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1083
Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:49 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: More Memphis Pictures
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

2. RE: built-in fire extinguishers
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>

3. Any info on this DeLorean?
From: Joshieloo_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Where are all the photos?!
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

5. Passenger side window motor
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

6. RE: SDS EM-3 4D EFI PRV DMC?
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

7. Re: Memphis AC problem
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

8. Dyno-Horsepower Day August 17
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

9. Re: 3 things appeared
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: built-in fire extinguishers
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>

11. Re: built-in fire extinguishers
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

12. vin #6524
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>

13. Re: More Memphis Pictures
From: "antony baker" <annesley_at_dml_primus.com.au>

14. in search of car
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>

15. deloreaon in NEW MEXICO
From: "iqmpike" <iqmpike_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: strange start problems
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

17. RE: strange start problems
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

18. Re: The car won't start anymore!
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

19. Fuel injector cleaning
From: "tmasterlc" <tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com>

20. RE: SDS EM-3 4D EFI PRV DMC?
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>

21. Re: strange start problems << I have a similar issue
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

22. Re: built-in fire extinguishers
From: mroboto_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: built-in fire extinguishers
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

24. Pigeon Forge - SMOKY(no e)shadows
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

25. Re: Memphis again....
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:41:07 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: More Memphis Pictures

In a message dated 6/20/2002 9:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com writes:


> http://www.projectvixen.com/memphis

can you send me a cd of your pics
my camera got lifted and your graceland shots are almost the same as mine 
were

Ken


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:53:41 -0500
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>
Subject: RE: built-in fire extinguishers

Halon or carbon dioxide would have the same effect.  The danger is from
asphyxiation due to lack of oxygen in the enclosed cockpit.  Otherwise
excellent fire extinguishers.  Also used in aircraft.  No corrosive damage.

Jerry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Coe [mailto:Whalt_at_dml_att.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:47 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] built-in fire extinguishers


[MODERATOR NOTE: I hesitate to inject technical criticisms into any
subscriber's post, but I've got to caution against installing a HALON system
that empties into the passenger compartment.  I believe that this could be
very, very dangerous!  -Moderator Mike Substelny]

I'm thinking about installing a built-in fire extinguisher into my DeLorean,
and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or advice concerning these.
The only ones that I know about I found listed in the SummitRacing.com web
site (as well as their paper catalogue I get snail mail.)

These are a bit pricey ranging from $290 to $463, so I want to be really
sure I buy the right thing the first time.  It is basically a big 5 or 10
pound bottle of Halon 1211 that could probably be mounted inside of one of
the engine compartment pontoons.  There are two nozzles -- one for the
engine compartment and one for the passenger compartment.  It is activated
by a manual pull or push activator.  It would be nice to have something that
could operate automatically, but I figure that most car fires happen while
they are being driven.  Is the steel or aluminum tubing to be preferred?
Pull-type or push-type activator?  A different brand?  Or none of the above?

Walt



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:03:48 EDT
From: Joshieloo_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Any info on this DeLorean?

Does anyone have any info on this D?
VIN: SCEDT26T1BD004873
If you know of this car, please e-mail me:
joshieloo_at_dml_aol.com
Thanks,
Joshua Schwartz
Trumbull, CT
001292


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:34:09 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Where are all the photos?!


Due to popular request, I've made some thumbnails of my two panoramic
shots.. much smaller in bytes, but the images are still big enough to get
the idea.

http://www.eskin.net/delorean/memphis-sat/tpana1.jpg  (52k bytes)
http://www.eskin.net/delorean/memphis-sat/tpana2.jpg  (152k bytes)

-Hank




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:49:39 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Passenger side window motor

I have a used passenger side window lift 
motor and gearset that I just took out of 
my car.  The rest of the window lift 
mechanism is scrap.  If you just need 
a motor, here is your chance to get one
for shipping.  If I don't hear from anyone
in a week, it goes to the dump.

Mike Griese



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:54:09 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: SDS EM-3 4D EFI PRV DMC?

Jim posted information about this many months ago..  He recently updated the setup by making his own custom intake with modern throttle bodies.  It looks to be a great setup, and I expect he saw a small performance boost.  More importantly, this is a excellent alternative for someone who needs to replace their stock fuel distributor.  I know lots of people like the old-fashioned mechanical configurations, but I always opt for the modern hi-tech stuff.  To me, they are easier to tune and keep running.  

If your looking at EFI for your DMC, there is also a DIY EFI system you can build for about $150 and modify to fit on just about any engine.  Do a search for "MegaSquirt" for more info.

Prowler V6 in a DMC?  You may not have to wait too long..  I have been working on this for a few months.  :)  I can send you a photo of the engine "in place" if you like.  If all goes well, I plan on making this conversion something that can be easily reproduced..

-----Original Message-----
From: Stragand, Dave [mailto:dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:09 PM
To: DMC News (E-mail)
Subject: [DML] SDS EM-3 4D EFI PRV DMC?


Enough alphabet soup for ya?
 
Has anyone else seen the SDS EFI Delorean of Jim Witherspoon from Hudson, Ohio?
 
http://www.sdsefi.com/features/nov01del.htm
 
Interesting setup, but I'm wondering what all he may have gained from this conversion.  Personally, I'm still looking for a Prowler V6...




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:11:57 EDT
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Memphis AC problem



    Take out the blower motor and cage. Then reach inside the opening and use 
a good quality shop-vac to vacuum the dirt & junk out. I used my garden/lawn 
hose and sprayed water in there to clean every thing out. Spray some 
disinfectant spray in there to kill who-knows-what, and finish with 
compressed air.
    I use a self-tapping screw to make a TINY hole in the small rubber A/C 
drain tube in the passenger footwell. Once you have a hole there you can use 
compressed air to blow out any junk from that point down to the tube near the 
fuel pump.
    Some sealant will suffice to patch your hole.
    Another step is to remove the wipers, windshield screen/vent and clean 
the fresh air intake. Remember to clean out the hole above the fuel pump.
    
Michael



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:28:38 EDT
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Dyno-Horsepower Day August 17


DML,

     Maryland area Acura NSX club would like to invite the DeLorean Owners, 
and any other exotic car club to attend this event...Pantera's, Lotus, 
Alpine-Renault, etc.
    I will not be able to attend, so please contact me for any information or 
questions that I can try to help you answer.

Michael

<Okay guys, PLENTY of notice this time.   Hope to see you there.   Please 
RSVP if you'd like to attend. 

           -Howard Stanton

All-   Dan Howell  (NSX tech formerly with Pohanka Acura) is now with
Curry's Automotive in Ashburn and is sponsoring a dyno day Saturday August 17.
The cost is $50.00 (cheap!)  for 3 runs (or 2 runs plus a 1/4 mile
"sprint").  Curry's has a new state-of-the-art Mustang dynamometer to
confirm those horsepower bragging rights once and for all.  Find out
which of your mods/tuning is the best set-up for your car.  Curry's is
providing CA$H prizes for most hp in boosted and naturally-aspirated classes
(NSX and S2K).   Curry's will also provide snacks and beverages.   ALSO-
look for some goodies from Comptech to be given away.

WHAT:   Dyno horsepower/quarter mile testing for NSX's and S2000's 
WHEN:   10AM Sat. August 17
WHERE:  Curry's Auto  - Ashburn (NOT their Chantilly location)
RSVP: via email to chrisc_at_dml_currysauto.com  
      or call Dan at (571) 522-1002
MORE INFO:     www.currysauto.com>



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:38:02 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: 3 things appeared

On the Delorean the "mist test" isn't that good. If the secondary 
ignition wires are breaking down in the spark plug wells or around the 
dust boot you may not see or hear anything. The only ways to know for 
sure are 
1) remove and CAREFULLY inspect the wires, boots, distributer cap and 
rotor.
2) substitute known good parts
3) use an ignition analyzer scope to look for breakdown in the 
secondary ignition circuit.
The mist test can only verify that you have a problem, it may not tell 
you where.
 Another thing to try is to run the motor in the dark (at night) and 
with your hands in your pockets look for any blue haze or arcing near 
the wires or distributer or ignition coil . Be careful in the dark not 
to burn yourself or get caught in the belts. Once you have a spot that 
breaks down it just gets worse and worse as it is now the "weak link" 
in the chain and electric will always follow the path of least 
resistance. This can happen with brand new parts especially if the 
wires are not seated on the spark plugs properly or the wires were 
streched or otherwise damaged during install. It is also not 
impossible for new parts to be defective. Suspect everything until 
proven wrong.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757  



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Just because they are new, does not mean they are good..
> 
> If one of the wires are rubbing on something, it could wear though 
the insulation.  That is why on some hi-po cars you see the ignition 
wires wrapped in sheath.  Inspect the wires, and try the mist test.  
Also spray the mist around the distributor, see if you have arching.  
It is hard to see, but you may even hear the sparks jump.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: erikgeerdink [mailto:erikgeerdink_at_dml_y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:13 AM
> > To: dmcnews_at_dml_y...
> > Subject: Re: [DML] 3 things appeared
> > 
> <SNIP>
> > > 3. Common problem with old dry ignition wires.  A good way to 
> > double check this is in a DARK garage, start the car and mist some 
> > water over the engine (with a spray bottle).  You will probably 
see 
> > sparks jumping between the wires and engine.
> > 
> > I also have brand new wires.  They were installed about 1200 miles 
> > ago.
> > 
> > Any other ideas????
> > 
> 
> >




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:53:08 -0400
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>
Subject: Re: built-in fire extinguishers

Coming from the Army, I do know quite a bit about halon and the moderator is
right. . . it is VERY dangerous.  This message may be a little lengthy, but
please read as I am not boasting, this is your HEALTH involved here!

Halon bottles in the Army are used mostly in fully tracked armored vehicles
that are relatively new (post 70's).  The purpose of it is to prevent a fire
when a bloody rocket pierces the fuel tank!  When a bottle is depleted, it
is INSTANTANEOUS and sounds more like a BOOM than a Pfffftt.

Halon doesn't smother a fire.  The fire suffocates because the halon
literally SUCKS all the oxygen out of the air (again, practically
instantaneously) and is EXTREMELY cold and turns everything white.  So cold
that if one blew on your arm and you garbed it, you would crush the veins.
This would save anybody sitting in the back of a Bradly, but if no one
opened a hatch or dropped the ramp,  the occupants would suffocate from no
oxygen.  I have seen a bottle discharge on someone's lap and let me tell
you, it isn't pretty.  With immediate action and a trip to the hospital, he
was ok.

I can see it being used in racing because of the incredible fuel used and
the safety required in such extreme conditions.  But you have to remember
that these people wear a tough layer of  Nomex, a special material that's
fire retardant and very insulating.  Call me crazy, but I don't see any of
these conditions ever being used in a DeLorean.

What I would suggest is looking into Nitrogen systems.  Nitrogen was and is
still used in some of the older recovery vehicles for engine fires and is
very effective and  much safer obviously, since over 75% of our atmosphere
is composed of it.  It's colorless, odorless, doesn't cause extreme
temperatures and will still allow you to breathe while smothering any fire
that would occur in a DeLorean very effectively.  An automatic system would
be very impractical, again (not to mention pricey beyond your belief),
because automatic systems need to be checked and serviced with special
equipment, sensors replaced, and when one does go bad, the bottle can
discharge prematurely with a big boom.  This would do nothing but leave you
with a wet spot in your pants for no reason ;-).  A simple cable lever with
a safety pin and lead seal would be perfect.  Don't forget to check your
bottle periodically, as they do go bad.

I sure hope this message is taken seriously.  This is not someone trying to
boast their knowledge.  I am trying to save people injury and horrifying
trips to the hospital.  Be safe, and keep driving stainless!

-Mike A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: [DML] built-in fire extinguishers


> [MODERATOR NOTE: I hesitate to inject technical criticisms into any
subscriber's post, but I've got to caution against installing a HALON system
that empties into the passenger compartment.  I believe that this could be
very, very dangerous!  -Moderator Mike Substelny]
>
> I'm thinking about installing a built-in fire extinguisher into my
DeLorean,
> and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or advice concerning these.
> The only ones that I know about I found listed in the SummitRacing.com web
> site (as well as their paper catalogue I get snail mail.)
>
> These are a bit pricey ranging from $290 to $463, so I want to be really
> sure I buy the right thing the first time.  It is basically a big 5 or 10
> pound bottle of Halon 1211 that could probably be mounted inside of one of
> the engine compartment pontoons.  There are two nozzles -- one for the
> engine compartment and one for the passenger compartment.  It is activated
> by a manual pull or push activator.  It would be nice to have something
that
> could operate automatically, but I figure that most car fires happen while
> they are being driven.  Is the steel or aluminum tubing to be preferred?
> Pull-type or push-type activator?  A different brand?  Or none of the
above?
>
> Walt
>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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>
>





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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:00:43 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: built-in fire extinguishers

Walt - You may want to check in with a high-performance boat shop 
regarding on-board systems.  Many "high end" boats have an automatic 
system for the engine bay.  These are Coast Guard approved 
(presumably) so they should be good.  Regarding Mike's comment, I 
would tend to agree.  I believe that Halon works by displacing all 
available oxygen (although I could be wrong) which could prove 
problematic if you happen to be in the car at the time.  I have a 
hand-held Halon extinguisher sitting right next to the passenger 
seat.  I probably should properly mount it, so that I can reach it 
better in an emergency.  Stay safe.  BTW - Pricey?  If you wanna 
play, you gotta pay.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1 - with freshly cleaned fuses and relays! 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> [MODERATOR NOTE: I hesitate to inject technical criticisms into any 
subscriber's post, but I've got to caution against installing a HALON 
system that empties into the passenger compartment.  I believe that 
this could be very, very dangerous!  -Moderator Mike Substelny]
> 
> I'm thinking about installing a built-in fire extinguisher into my 
DeLorean, and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or advice 
concerning these.





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:00:09 -0700
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: vin #6524

Just a note for those tracking vin#'s 6524 was sold a few days ago in San
Leandro, calif.  I was in the middle of purchasing it when the unethical
owner went behind my back and sold it to someone else after we agreed on a
price and I had a check in hand.  he lead me on for about a week and a half
when I was ready to pick it up saying he wasn't available and poof it's sold
to someone else.

Details:
Grooved hood w/o gas flap
power antenna in rear drivers side
cruse control (added)
5 speed
grey int.

Darkstar




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:13:41 +0930
From: "antony baker" <annesley_at_dml_primus.com.au>
Subject: Re: More Memphis Pictures




Does anyone have any photos or articles(on who built them etc) on the Back
to the Future film
used cars,  please let me know

Thanks, Antony





---- Original Message -----
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
To: "DMC News (E-mail)" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 4:44 AM
Subject: [DML] More Memphis Pictures


> I posted about 150 more pictures at http://www.projectvixen.com/memphis
for any of y'all who are interested.
>
> -Dave Stragand
> VIN #05927
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:14:27 -0700
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: in search of car

Hi again,

Just to let anyone know I am in search of a car to purchase. (this isn't a i
need a cheap one request but that's a bonus)  I need to find one in fairly
good shape, not painted, and has the following features.

5 Speed  (a must)
grey interior (preferred)
no gas flap but I like the looks of the grooves
I prefer the power antenna in rear
engine that doesn't work too well is ok but not preferred (it needs to at
least crank and start)

Everything else is neg.
Also I am hoping to find one within 250 miles of the san Francisco bay area.
Thanks for keeping an eye out.


I'll add a mini intro here, my name is Richard but most of my friends call
me Darkstar.  It's a name I picked up when I was eight and it stuck (like
most nicknames)

Darkstar




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:59:01 -0000
From: "iqmpike" <iqmpike_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: deloreaon in NEW MEXICO

was looking at the projectvixen page (thanks for posting the pics)...

anyhow, I noticed one Delorean with a New Mexico Plate that says 
88MPH


i Live in NM.... I thought I was the only Delorean in the state!

If you are reading this 88MPH - drop me an email... I live in 
Bloomfield (by Farmington)...

just curious where you might live...

michaelkqkq_at_dml_hotmail.com





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:56:12 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: strange start problems

Kevin, 
#1, Don't give it any gas by the foot feed to start the car.
#2. If it doesn't start quick on the first try, then unplug the cold start 
and try again. If the system is working ok, the cold start may be flooding it.
#3. You could have a possible hot start problem if the accumulator is going 
bad.
#4. If you think the battery could be going bad, in the morning put a DMM 
across the terminals and look for a 12.66 volts ( OCV ). If lower than that 
then State of charge need to be looked into.
#5. Thermal time switch possible no firing the cold start.
#6. Look at my previous post about the resistor and relay against the fire 
wall. Low voltage in starting.

These are a few things to look into.
John Hervey

http://www.specialtauto.com/

<< But, I've still got a starting issue. The start problem only strikes when
 the car has been sitting out in the sun for several hours. It's ok in the
 semi-cool garage all night, sometimes ok at lunch, but usually a problem at
 the end of the day.
 It turns over and coughs and coughs. I do this several times-- trying
 feathering the gas pedal, holding halfway down, turning the key all the way
 off for a few seconds. Then finally, it will cough and sputter and slowly
 get steady and climb up the tachometer to where I can give it gas without
 choking it out.
 My battery is 3-4 years old, but seems to be ok. I probably should put a
 meter on it and check it, just to be sure.
 But I keep thinking it's a fuel delivery problem because it really seems to
 be related to sitting in the sun for a longer period of time-- like possibly
 fuel is being evaporated out of the system and it only starts after building
 pressure back up. But I really don't know if that's a plausible scenario or
 not. >>



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:16:59 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: strange start problems

Is this the switch?
http://www.usadmc.com/dmcstore/ViewPage.asp?PageID=20
part # 102125


-----Original Message-----
> From: DMC Joe [mailto:dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:03 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] strange start problems
>
>
> A defective time-temperature switch may be responsible for your
> problem.  Next time the same conditions are present pull the plug
> leading to the time temperature switch and see if the car starts OK.
>
> DMC Joe Help Club
> DeLorean Web Mall:  http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/home.html
>
> DeLorean Website Directory www.dmc.tv

[long quote snipped by moderator]



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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:31:57 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: The car won't start anymore!

Marvin, Checking the ignition coil with a DMM will tell you if it's good or 
not without having to throw money at parts on a trial and error basis. The 
ignition coils very seldom go out. They just get weak.  As far as your 
starting problem. One of your best load test is the starter on the car. If 
the battery is weak an or the starter is old and draging, then the starting 
voltage could be pulled down to the points of very low volts and the car will 
be hard to start. You need around 10+ volts to start good. This can be 
measured on the right lower side of the resistor when trying to start. Black 
lead to ground and red to the resistor. Then it should be running around 8 to 
9 volts.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/

<< When I went to start the car I got nothing. The engine turned over and over
 with no result. I popped a spark plug wire to check if I was getting spark
 and it wasn't. So, I replaced the ignition coil.
 
 Now the car turns over and over and you can hear it almost starting but it
 stops just short. It's so very close. I can feel the car wants to start but
 something is preventing it. What could that thing be?
 
  >>



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:39:00 -0000
From: "tmasterlc" <tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Fuel injector cleaning

Is there a good way to clean fuel injectors while out of the car?

Thanks Ron




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:50:52 -0500
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>
Subject: RE: SDS EM-3 4D EFI PRV DMC?

I have a new fuel manifold set with EFI injectors for the PRV6.  Don't know
much about it.  Would part with it for $50 + shipping.

Jerry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A. Levy [mailto:malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:54 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] SDS EM-3 4D EFI PRV DMC?


> Jim posted information about this many months ago..  He recently updated the
> setup by making his own custom intake with modern throttle bodies.  It looks
> to be a great setup, and I expect he saw a small performance boost.  More
> importantly, this is a excellent alternative for someone who needs to
> replace their stock fuel distributor. 

[moderator snip]



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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:59:09 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Re: strange start problems << I have a similar issue

As chronicled in my prior postings, my problem is similar to this. The
engine turns over, coughs and coughs, then sputters out.

My initial thought is an electrical failure because of the abruptness of the
problem. One day it started fine, drove it about 10 miles, got out of the
car, got back in 5 minutes later and it has never started since. Apparently
this electrical problem is causing the engine to flood because after I have
tried to crank it up, it wreaks of fuel. 

As noted in Walter's earlier response, I jumped the RPM relay and got a good
loud buzz from the frequency valve. I also checked to make sure the RPM
relay is functioning correctly. I need to check the CPR (which is new), but
I'm unsure when it should have power. What controls the voltage to the CPR
and is it only applied during cranking?

Joe, I also like your idea about the thermo-time switch being bad. It may be
stuck on providing the extra fuel during cranking, thus giving me the funky
fuel smell.

Could the cold start valve also be a culprit?



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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:50:02 EDT
From: mroboto_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: built-in fire extinguishers

Walt,
Stay away from Halon! As you know Halon works by depleting the area of Oxygen 
to extinguish the fire. When the area you are in is robbed of it's O2, you 
have less than 15 seconds before blacking out. In the event of a leak in the 
Halon system, you would have no warning before you "fall asleep" while 
driving without time to bring the car to a safe stop and bail out.
Halon is odorless and can enter the passenger compartment without warning. 
There are O2 monitor alarms available, however they are expensive and still 
may not give you enough warning to stop the car and get out. Also, keep in 
mind the small size of the Delorean's window openings.
A better bet may be a smoke/fire sensor to alert you of a possible situation 
early enough to stop the car and use a manual hand held extinguisher.
An easily accessible battery cut off switch is a really useful thing if fire 
is a concern.

IN THE EVENT YOUR DELOREAN IS ON FIRE, FOLLOW THESE STEPS (IN ORDER):

1. Stop car, get out!
2. Call 911!
3. Take photos of the inferno to post on the DML. (important)
4. Call  insurance company and make a claim.
5. Check Ebay for a new DeLorean.
6. Post your sob story on DML for all of us to console you.

Dumb joke of the week:
Seating hostess at the DeLorean cafe greeting customer: "Welcome, would you 
like smoking, or charred beyond recognition sir?"

-Daniel Deutsch (Orlando)



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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:02:10 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: built-in fire extinguishers

Automatic fire suppression systems are not meant for ordinary cars. 
They are really intended for high risk locations like aircraft, 
armored vehicles, off shore boats, racing vehicles and the like where 
you just can't stop and get out when you have a problem. If you feel 
you REALLY need a fire system then go to a racing shop and you can get 
a bottle with a remote release to put in the engine compartment. You 
can also keep a small extinguisher on the floor by the driver's seat. 
That would be good for any small fire, or if the car should turn over 
you could put it through the windshield. It would also be useful if 
someone else catches fire, a built-in system can only be used on your 
car, not someone else's. If you are concerned about fire do constant 
inspections for fuel leaks and inspect the wiring and battery often. 
Add a battery master switch for emergencies. A little preventitive 
effort will remove most of the need for a fire suppression system with 
it's weight and complexity.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Walt - You may want to check in with a high-performance boat shop 
> regarding on-board systems.  Many "high end" boats have an automatic 
> system for the engine bay.  These are Coast Guard approved 
> (presumably) so they should be good.  Regarding Mike's comment, I 
> would tend to agree.  I believe that Halon works by displacing all 
> available oxygen (although I could be wrong) which could prove 
> problematic if you happen to be in the car at the time.  I have a 
> hand-held Halon extinguisher sitting right next to the passenger 
> seat.  I probably should properly mount it, so that I can reach it 
> better in an emergency.  Stay safe.  BTW - Pricey?  If you wanna 
> play, you gotta pay.
> 
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1 - with freshly cleaned fuses and relays! 
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> > [MODERATOR NOTE: I hesitate to inject technical criticisms into 
any 
> subscriber's post, but I've got to caution against installing a 
HALON 
> system that empties into the passenger compartment.  I believe that 
> this could be very, very dangerous!  -Moderator Mike Substelny]
> > 
> > I'm thinking about installing a built-in fire extinguisher into my 
> DeLorean, and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or advice 
> concerning these.




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:21:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Pigeon Forge - SMOKY(no e)shadows

FYI:
Apparently Ken & I are not the only ones who made this mistake a few times.
When checking out the hotel on the web make sure you use this link:
http://www.smokyshadows.com/
that spells "smoky" WITHOUT the letter "e" as in "smokey". If you don't you will
get a little 12 room lodge about 10miles away ;-) 

Shannon Y
VIN# Not Yet  (but will for Pigeon Forge)

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:44:45 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Memphis again....

> Hi all
>
> Just thought I'd add my voice to the throng all singing the praises of 
> the fantastic experience that was Memphis....
>
> Myself, Richard Johnstone and James Russel-Grant flew to Atlanta, 
> picked up a hire car (for those who didn't realise, the Mitsubishi 
> Spyder rag-top with the temporary licence plate was ours), drove to 
> Knoxville and met up with Aaron's convoy.
>
> Not to bore with the details, it was fantastic putting so many faces 
> to names. I lost count of the number of people who recognised my name 
> from the DML and I had a lot of really nice comments about "always 
> reading your posts".
>
> Speaking for myself, it was great meeting John Hervey, Darren Decker, 
> Dave Stragand, Marc Levy, Bill Lane, Don Steger, Jeremy Delaney, Josh 
> Haldeman, Dave Swingle, Matt Olians, DMC Joe.... and all the other 
> names I know off the DML.
>
> The show itself was great - but as a brit, I feel I have one 
> criticism..... NOT ENOUGH DRINKING TIME!!! The raffles would have been 
> more fun if the bar'd been open all through them. Rich, James and I 
> were just settling down to a good drinking session when the bar closed 
> and we started to fall asleep :-) Already mentioned this to Ken at the 
> time, and apparently the bar was very expensive to keep open. This 
> wouldn't happen over here, but maybe we're just used to drinking more 
> <grin>
>
> After the show, we decided to drive strait back to Atlanta and see 
> what we found on the way. We went via Huntsville, and joy-of-joys for 
> me was being able to visit the Marshall Space Center (I'm a bit of a 
> space-race buff). We stayed the night in Huntsville, and spent two 
> hours at the space centre. Drove onto Atlanta from there, missed our 
> flight, got stuck in Charlotte, NC and finally arrived home on 
> Wednesday morning at 11am.
>
> I'm really looking forward to getting home to my parents' this weekend 
> to fit my new PJ Grady shock absorbers, and finally fit the gearshift 
> grommet. #2727 is so near to being finished we can taste it - all it 
> needed was a new set of HT leads and the intermittent running has been 
> sorted. The cooling system is working properly and the engine's back 
> together. All that remains is to hang the rear fascia and attach the 
> light clusters, and fit the left hand side trim panel we brought back 
> with us.
>
> I took over 300 photos on my new Nikon Coolpix 995 - I hope I have the 
> time to put them up soon - I'm flat out now getting Draven ready for 
> Robot Wars on July 3rd!
>
> If anyone's ever over in the UK, make sure to let us know so we can 
> meet up. Our "big" show is coming up on July 13/14th.
>
> Cheerio
>
> Martin
> #1458
> DOC UK 






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