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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1094
Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:32 AM

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: R-134a Conversion -- as a kit?

2. Re: Mode switch

3. RE: Re: Where is the common electrical leak?
From: "K Creason" <>

4. Re: Brake Master Cylinder Rebuild Kits?
From: "basfe25" <>

5. RE: DMC in another movie
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

6. Re: R-134a Conversion -- as a kit?
From: "Sean Howley" <>

7. Jacknuts (was Rivnuts)
From: Jim Strickland <>

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:49:12 EDT
Subject: Re: R-134a Conversion -- as a kit?

In a message dated 6/27/02 9:09:29 AM Central Daylight Time, writes:

> I have noticed that on newer cars there is much less rubber hose and 
> more aluminum piping.  Since by definition rubber hose has some 
> porousity, I have figured that this was done just as a good measure for 
> the environment.  However, experience has now shown that this was done 
> because 134 does leak through hoses more easily.  
> Now to redesign the hoses and replace them with metal.....
> BoB


actually there are rubber hoses out there that are more capable of handling 
R-134a.  if you go to a place that specializes in pressurized lines and 
hydraulics, they can sell you some stock hose that will hold 134a.  

about two months ago i had my system vacuumed and the oil replaced with ester 
100, and then charged with R-134A.  i had a minor leak in my flexible lines 
but i had it repaired at a hydraulic shop.  i didn't do any of the 'expert' 
stuff either, and my A/C blows so cold i have to turn it down after it's been 
running for about 30 minutes or else my hands go numb!!!!

the place i did it at said the real trick is to vacuum the system for a long 
time, on the order of 2 hours.  you really have to get all the moisture out 
for the system to work well.  these guys have been doing it this way for a 
long time and haven't had any problems, and i haven't had any problems yet 
either........ but i'm just crossing my fingers!

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:59:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Mode switch

In a message dated 6/27/02 7:04:56 PM Central Daylight Time, writes:

> Thanks for all the advice.  I think the net has created a second life 
> for the Delorean.  There is so much information out there that, one 
> thinks the car is still in production.  I wonder if there is a forum 
> where people list what substitute parts have been used when one is 
> not readily available.
> thanks again,
> Mike 


the great part about the DeLorean is that pretty much all of the parts you 
usually need ARE readily available, and in some cases, there are actually 
improved versions of it!  for instance, my exhaust manifold heat stove was 
rusted beyond recognition and function, and i was able to buy a stainless 
steel one from Pearce Design for a reasonable price.  it was very easy to 
install and looks great on my engine!  that's just one example, but for the 
most part, the parts ARE easily obtainable, just CALL UP YOUR FAVORITE 
VENDOR!! and if you are a new owner and don't have a favorite vendor yet, 
pick one and get a good relationship going with them - they will always come 
thru for you when you need it most!

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:34:56 -0500
From: "K Creason" <>
Subject: RE: Re: Where is the common electrical leak?

don't get snippy. There are hundreds or thousands of Delorean running just
fine with their original lock module.
Some people have had problems, and there were some problems initially, but
I've never heard that why it is such a Doomsday event that we will all
eventually fail. That's my question.
Of all you high mileagers-- how many of you are using your stock module?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Eskin []
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Where is the common electrical leak?

>the lock module should NOT be used,even if it apparently works fine.
> Why is that?

Because it has a near 100% failure rate, and can, without warning, fail, and
lock you inside your car. And at the same time burn out both your lock
solenoids.  Someone wasn't paying attention in class.  ;)


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:44:24 -0000
From: "basfe25" <>
Subject: Re: Brake Master Cylinder Rebuild Kits?

It is true that you can find a Master Cylinder rebuild kit in an 
autoparts store BUT you won't find one for the Delorean. There is a 
place called Apple Hydraulics ( ) that can 
resleave your master cylinder if it's pitted with a brass sleave for 
$60. If you want a complete rebuild, seals amd all, it will cost the 
same as buying a new one from the vendors ($175 for a new one). If 
your finances allow you too go for a new one otherwise you will be 
searching for a rebuild kit and if it turns out that the cylinder is 
pitted inside you'll wind up paying close to the same amount as a 
new one you can just drop in. People usually use rebuilders like 
Apple Hydraulics for cars that parts are extrememley rare and the 
prices are way overboard to buy.

Good luck,
Steve Rubano 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., hostmaster_at_dml_p... wrote:
> I tried to search the DML archives for this, but simply don't have 
> the time to bog through page after page of "my individual tastes 
> right so I must protest anything different".
> In fact, I greatly hesitate to pose this question in the Delorean 
> debating list, since I'm certain the majority response will be 
> attack, but it's the only place I know to ask.
> I'm suspecting that my brake master cylinder needs replaced.  
> Actually, it's the assesment of my mechanic.  (Please don't abuse 
> mechanic - he's all I got, unless said abuser wishes to do my work 
> for me.)
> He suggested that I might find a rebuild kit at an auto parts 
> rather than a whole new stock system.  This seems reasonable, 
> there's always the possibility that the problem is more than the 
> master cylinder.  Easier to get that way, too.
> Has anyone here ever had any experience with such a thing, that 
> help me find a part number, type, etc?  If you did try it, would 
> try it again, etc?
> My VIN is #2816 - it's an 1981, automatic.
> If you have not tried this idea, and you think I should be burned 
> the stake for even thinking about it, and are getting ready 
to "give 
> me what I deserve", please hold off until all the useful and 
> constructive statements are out of the way, first.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:49:47 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: RE: DMC in another movie


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Foster []
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:08 PM
> To:
> Subject: [DML] DMC in another movie
> DMLers,
> Have I missed this before, but are y'all aware that there is 
> one of the BTTF
> DeLoreans in a current movie "Big Fat Liar." Saw the movie 
> while flying down
> to Singapore on Wednesday. Theres a scene in the 
> costume/props storage area
> of a film studio where the stars sit on top of the car.


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:19:45 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <>
Subject: Re: R-134a Conversion -- as a kit?

Last year when I drove my car to Houston for the show, I used about 2 cans
of 134 for the round trip.  When I returned, I had the car inspected for
leaks.  This summer, I have replaced all of the o-rings for the system and
replaced the condenser and accumulator.  This was performed just before the
show in Memphis.  During that entire trip, I had no change in cooling
abilities.  The car was colder that it has ever been during my ownership.  I
will keep an eye on this as I don't drive the car much and maybe in a couple
of months see if I am experiencing the same losses (through the hose) that
you are.

Sean Howley


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:49:25 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <>
Subject: Jacknuts (was Rivnuts)

I've seen jacknuts, but dismissed them because it seemed to me that they
would spin.  I more sensible device would be a jacknut with teeth that
grip into the fibreglass when squashed.  I assume these exist somewhere
becuase it only makes sense.  Anyone know for certain?


On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:13:29 -0400 "Marc A. Levy" <>
> You found a metric jacknut??  I looked in to the jacknut alternative, 
> but found no metric available in small quantities.

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