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Date: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:53 PM

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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: doorplay .. I also need help!
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: Re: doorplay .. I also need help!
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Re: Where is the common electrical leak?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: Those dat-blamed cargo nets
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: [ncdmc] Club BBQ - July 14 11AM
From: Gary Valenziano <piason_at_dml_attbi.com>

6. Re: HELP!!!!!! DeLorean footage wanted
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: Need help finding drilled brake discs & digital dashes...
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

8. In need of ac parts.
From: "foxmul2001" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

9. Re: Re: Where is the common electrical leak?
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: HELP!!!!!! DeLorean footage wanted
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: In need of ac parts.
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:01:25 -0000
From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: doorplay .. I also need help!

Hey, I am also looking for some info on the door. My passenger side 
door sometimes locks itself from the inside, or rather the inside 
door handle doesnt work sometimes. This is with the lock module 
removed already.. 

Anyway I took my car in for an alignment and when they gave the car 
back to me the passenger side window wont roll up all the way, it 
seems to be of the track inside. I guess the guy locked himself in on 
the passenger side and then somehow broke it by sticking his arm 
through to get at the outer door handle...

Should I tell the garage what they did and make them pay for it? I 
want to keep good relations with them since they are the only place 
around me that is familiar with the car.. and they did do a great 
alignment on it. I was thinking of doing it myself, since i want to 
learn about the car, and fix my door handle problem at the same time.

All advice is appreciated!

Adam Price


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., billsfanmd_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have found on the various websites just about every repair you 
can attempt 
> on this Delorean. However, I still have not found a detailed 
explanation of 
> how to succesfully go inside the door, remove solenoid and get the 
door back 
> together....I need to replace one of mine and would prefer to be 
able to read 
> the steps from someone who's done it a couple hundred times so I 
don't break 
> everything in the door....
> 
> thanks
> Mike C
> 2109 
> 
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:58:13 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: doorplay .. I also need help!

In a message dated 6/29/02 9:48:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:


> Should I tell the garage what they did and make them pay for it? I 
> want to keep good relations with them since they are the only place 
> around me that is familiar with the car.. and they did do a great 
> alignment on it. I was thinking of doing it myself, since i want to 
> learn about the car, and fix my door handle problem at the same time.
> 
> All advice is appreciated!
> 
> Adam Price

Adam,

if they pay for it, who would you really trust to fix it correctly?
unless you are really darn sure they are the ones who messed it up (the doors 
can fall off of their tracks if you have the window down when you shut the 
door really hard!), i would take this opportunity to spend an afternoon and 
learn how to fix your windows!!!  is anything actually broken, or is it just 
off of the track?  if it's off the track, that's cake once you get the door 
apart.

just my opinion!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:59:26 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Where is the common electrical leak?

My two cents on your discussion:  Unplugging only the red wire on the OEM
door lock module will only patch half the problem.  The module still draws
current through the multi-wire plug while the car isn't being used.  For
people who don't drive often, not unplugging the module completely leaves an
unnecessary drain on the battery.  Here is a relevant quote from a previous
post:

> I have found that both my original door lock module and Randy's
> module draws the same 11.7 mA when sitting idle.
> The Lockzilla module sitting idle draws 11.1 mA.
> The Lockzilla module with the optional keyless remote entry draws 22.3 mA.

But then with no module at all there is no way for the doors to
automatically unlock in an accident.

Walt




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:13:48 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Those dat-blamed cargo nets

I have almost learned the hard way that it is a really bad idea to use the
car with the relay compartment cover off because as you take turns, things
can fall into the electricals.  Another issue concerning the cargo net is
that if it falls into the open relay compartment, it can melt from touching
hot objects in there such as the fan breakers.  But of course nothing there
should get that hot anyway.  If you are going to drive with the relay
compartment open, unhook the cargo net bungee from the bottom and keep it
clear.

BTW Travis, good call on the bungee cord source.  I bet they will be deluged
by nickel/dime orders for short lengths now.  :-)

Walt




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:11:22 -0700
From: Gary Valenziano <piason_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [ncdmc] Club BBQ - July 14 11AM

Hi everyone,

The more the merrier at our BBQ get together. We are hoping to meet some
of  you new owners in addition to our list of usual fokes. So don't be
shy, even if you don't have a car but are looking to purchase this is a
good place to start, with other owners willing to give you as much info
and advise as we can.
We would also like to plan a drive in our cars for that day,  possibly
before the BBQ.
Hopefully I will have my car back by then, had a little trany problem,
it was completely gone but I am having it fixed.
Also I am upgrading the Eclipse stereo and GPS system with custom built
in speakers in the back wall(2-10" subs) instead of the ugly tube that
used to be there, and in the kick panels with 5"midrange speakers if
anyone is interested in that kind of stuff!
I will be gone on vacation to yosemite from June 30th to July 7th and I
will correspond with you Ken and Richard after that time to put together
some more details.
But in the meantime I hope to come home to a email box filled with
responses to this invitation, please rsvp by email or phone.


Gary Valenziano    925-426-1496
P.S. I will send this to the DML incase their is anyone that doesn't
know about the NCDMC yahoo group.
Hopefully the moderator will let it go through.

"Montgomery, Ken" wrote:

>        Gary & Jodi Valenziano have graciously offered to host a club
> Potluck
> and BBQ at their home on July 14 at 11AM. We're also looking around
> for a
> destination to go for a drive in the afternoon. I'll have videos from
> Memphis  for your viewing pleasure and Gary has a nice pool. We'll
> need a
> response from everyone coming and an idea what you'll be bringing.
> I'll post
> the replies here.
>
> I'm really looking forward to seeing everyone. One thing we need to do
> is
> set a date for a 'tech' weekend with Don Steger of the DeLorean Motor
> Center. I talked to Don at the Memphis show and we've got some dates
> to pick
> from that will work for him. Don will be able to do door adjustments,
> check
> trailing arm bolts and troubleshoot other things as time permits.
>
> Location:
> Gary Valenziano
> 2742 Calle De La Loma
> Pleasanton
>
> ttp://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=2742+Calle+de+la+lom
>
> a&city=plesanton&state=ca&zipcode=&homesubmit.x=29&homesubmit.y=14
> piason_at_dml_home.com
> 925-426-1496
>
> Directions to Gary's:
> If you are coming via 680 then get off at the BERNAL AVE. exit & go
> EAST.
> Then go to the stop light at VALLEY AVE. and you can only turn LEFT
> (at the
> fairgrounds).
> Proceed through 1 stop light & down to the 2nd stop sign at HANSEN DR.
> and
> turn LEFT. At the next street CAMINO SEGURA turn RIGHT, take that to
> the
> stop sign at Via De Los CERROS & turn LEFT. The next street is Calle
> de la
> Loma turn LEFT. Gary's is on the right side of the street: 2742 Calle
> de la
> Loma.
>
> >From 580 get off at HOPYARD RD. exit & go down a few miles to VALLEY
> AVE.
> (not Valley Trails) and turn right.
> Go down 2 streets to VIA DE LOS CERROS & turn RIGHT.
> Go down 2 streets to CALLE DE LA LOMA & turn LEFT. Gary's is on the
> right
> side of the street: 2742 CALLE de la Loma.
>
> There is a nice specialty grocery store at the corner of Hopyard &
> Valley
> (Gene's Fine Foods) for anyone wanting to pickup anything on the way
> (fish,steak etc.).
>
> Please start to respond to this email so we can get some idea as to
> how many
> people will be attending. The MORE the Merrier! And remember it's not
> mandatory to bring your car, this is a get together to meet other
> Delorean
> owners, relax by our car or the pool, and of course talk about the
> thing we
> all have in common:  The DeLorean!
>
> Ken
> =======================================================
> Ken Montgomery      Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
> http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean/delorean01.htm
> mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
> President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
> http://www.ncdmc.org
> Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
> http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> =======================================================
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:17:03 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!! DeLorean footage wanted

I've always wanted to try but haven't had the time -- to ask the local TV
stations if they would give out copies of old news broadcasts from the '80s.
When DeLoreans were new, I saw many local news stories about the cars -- all
worth seeing again.  I know that the local stations archive ALL locally
produced news broadcasts probably ever since they used magnetic tape.  I was
hanging out with a friend who worked at one of these stations and saw the
shelves full of tapes that went back to the '70s.  The problem is if you can
get the stations to cooperate and/or if they have them indexed where you can
do a search.

Walt




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:50:04 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Need help finding drilled brake discs & digital dashes...

I have cross-drilled rotors for the front of my car and regret buying them
because they are too noisy.  These are no longer available, though.  I've
already said plenty in the archives if you want to look up under
"cross-drilled" & "Walter".

Ed Uding is selling a custom cross-drilled / vented rotors.  It was on
display at the Memphis show.  He starts with a wider rotor, does a lot of
machining on it and then makes an adapter/spacers that makes the stock
calipers wide enough to fit.  The cross-drilling on the rotors he does
himself, and I personally don't like this for technical reasons.  If I have
him make me a set, I will ask about skipping the cross-drilling procedure.

His web site is at
http://www.dmc-service.nl and then click on the British flag for English if
you don't read Netherland-ise.

As for the digital dash idea, there are two options I have seen.
Specifically for the DeLorean is Dakota Digital.  I've seen it and
personally don't like it.  Out of the SummitRacing.com catalogue there is a
digital/simulated analog tach & speedo with matching other gauges that I've
seen installed in Curtis' modified car that was at the Memphis show.  I
considered trying these in my car until I saw them installed Curtis' car.  I
just didn't like the way they looked/worked.  The response time of the tach
was too slow, but then he had a hunting idle problem which made it worse.
I'm still waiting for DMC/Texas to eventually (if they ever) develop their
electronic speedo that still looks OEM with the exception of an LCD readout
for the odometer/trip.  There are also other people independently developing
electronic solutions to the angle drive.

BTW, I didn't catch your name?

Walt




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:45:39 -0000
From: "foxmul2001" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: In need of ac parts.

Dear Dmlers,

I am searching for ac parts for my 1981 before I order from vendors.  
I need both long ac hoses and the condenser that sits up front near 
the radiator.  I would like these NOS or aftermarket but most 
importantly they must not leak.  I also heard of some people 
replacing the hoses without jacking the body up.  How is this done if 
at all possible.  Thanks for your help.

Joseph
vin 2850




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:08:43 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Where is the common electrical leak?

Hi Walt

Lets do some quick maths here:

My battery is 58Ah (OEM batt) - that means it will flatten in 58 hours at 1A or in 1 hour
at 58A.  11.7mA is 0.0117A

58 divided by 0.0117 equals 4957 hours

which is 206 days

I would call this a reasonable time for a battery to discharge "on its own" wouldn't you?

IMO the emergency unlock is of limited use anyway.

Martin
#1458

Walter Coe wrote:

> My two cents on your discussion:  Unplugging only the red wire on the OEM
> door lock module will only patch half the problem.  The module still draws
> current through the multi-wire plug while the car isn't being used.  For
> people who don't drive often, not unplugging the module completely leaves an
> unnecessary drain on the battery.  Here is a relevant quote from a previous
> post:
>
> > I have found that both my original door lock module and Randy's
> > module draws the same 11.7 mA when sitting idle.
> > The Lockzilla module sitting idle draws 11.1 mA.
> > The Lockzilla module with the optional keyless remote entry draws 22.3 mA.
>
> But then with no module at all there is no way for the doors to
> automatically unlock in an accident.
>
> Walt




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:18:08 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!! DeLorean footage wanted

The stations will have the films 
if you contact them and see the cost let me know its usually $30 for the 
first one and $20-25 for each additional one


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:51:59 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: In need of ac parts.

In a message dated 6/29/02 4:45:12 PM Central Daylight Time, 
foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net writes:


> 
> Dear Dmlers,
> 
> I am searching for ac parts for my 1981 before I order from vendors.  
> I need both long ac hoses and the condenser that sits up front near 
> the radiator.  I would like these NOS or aftermarket but most 
> importantly they must not leak.  I also heard of some people 
> replacing the hoses without jacking the body up.  How is this done if 
> at all possible.  Thanks for your help.
> 
> Joseph
> vin 2850

Joseph, 

i made a lengthy post about how to do this back in late May/very early June.  
search in the archives and you will find it!! it can be done.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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