From: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1103
Date: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:13 PM

To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com

To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews

There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Pulse Coil (was: No spark)
From: "janvdwouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

2. Re: cargo space
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

3. luggage & cargo space
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

4. Re: Re: Pulse Coil (was: No spark)
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. refrigerant oil, how much?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:13:40 -0000
From: "janvdwouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Pulse Coil (was: No spark)

David wrote:

[snip]
> if you do not get any spark at all the trouble can be
> a bad ECU, a bad  pick-up coil in the distributer
[snip]

If the pulse coil is shot, wouldn't you have a problem 
with the fuel pump too since this is switched on by the 
RPM-relay when it gets pulses fron the same coil?

If not, can it be the other way around too? 
I.e. getting spark, but no signal to the RPM relay?

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

------------------------------




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 2
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:26:01 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: cargo space

It depends upon how creative you are! :p

Gallon water & milk jugs will usually go in the footwells, and on the 
rear parcel shelf. Things like bread & eggs, or even a small cooler 
go on the shelf as well. Every thing else will usually fit into the 
trunk as well with no problems. So grocery shopping is no problem. 
Even with someone in the passenger seat.

As far as luggage goes, I don't know about that one. It would really 
depend upon what kind of luggage you travel with. A duffle bag, or 
perhaps a suitcase or two should fit fine with no problem in the 
trunk. Somthing like those wide cases with the wheels on the bottom 
though, then you would need to put that in the passenger seat, or on 
a luggage rack on the back. Everytime I've been to the airport, I've 
used another vehicle, so I've never really packed for a trip in the 
DeLorean per se.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "joshp1986" <joshp1986_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>   Hi, 
>    I was wondering how much stuff can you put in a DeLorean? Like 
> grocery bags and suitcases. 
>                    Thanks,
>                        Porterhouse




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 3
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:03:07 -0400
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: luggage & cargo space


Hi Josh,

You ask a very valuable question. Fortunately the DeLorean has a large enough trunk (bonnet in UK) to fit a weekend getaways' worth of luggage for you and your girlfriend, or significant other. 
I find that the storage shelf behind the seats is a great place to bring your dry cleaning or stuff from taking your girlfriend shopping. You want to try to avoid supermarket parking lots as runaway shopping carts & stainless steel body panels are far from a good match.

Best Wishes on your quest to buy a DeLorean.

Michael Pack



"joshp1986" <joshp1986_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Hi, 
>   I was wondering how much stuff can you put in a DeLorean? Like 
>grocery bags and suitcases. 
>                   Thanks,
>                       Porterhouse
>
>
>
>To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
>moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
>To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>
>



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 4
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:22:30 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Pulse Coil (was: No spark)

Group, If the pulse coil is bad then the RPM relay won't turn on the fuel 
pump.
Also the tack won't work and the ECU won't work. The pulse coil should read 
about 600+ ohms and can be measured by unpluging the wire that goes into the 
rear fire wall from the ignition distributor.  Read ohms across the two 
terminals on the wire you unplug. You can see the pulse coil and the reluctor 
and picture of the connection on the web site under electrical/electrical 
parts misc.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/electrical.shtml   

<< If the pulse coil is shot, wouldn't you have a problem 
 with the fuel pump too since this is switched on by the 
 RPM-relay when it gets pulses fron the same coil?
 
 If not, can it be the other way around too? 
 I.e. getting spark, but no signal to the RPM relay?
  >>



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 5
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:06:25 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: refrigerant oil, how much?

Apparently no one knows exactly how much oil belongs in the DeLorean.  So
far I have a few clues.  The Sanden/Sankyo compressor manufacture specifies
to put 3 to 4 ounces in the compressor.  The Haynes techbook supports this
as well as a local wholesale compressor rebuilder who specifies 4 ounces.

Then to figure how much goes in the rest of the system: According to Haynes,
they have a "rule of thumb" guide that suggests 3 ounces for most
accumulators, 3 ounces for the condenser, 1 ounce for the evaporator.  Put
it all together with what goes into the compressor and you get 11 ounces!
That seems like way too much.  Haynes also suggests measuring what you take
out so that you can put the same amount back in.  The flaw with this
approach is that you are assuming that the previous guy did it right.  Also
according to Haynes, American made cars that use the same compressor as the
DeLorean take 8 ounces total while foreign cars (expansion valve w/dryer)
take around 4.5 ounces.  Since the DeLorean most closely resembles a GM
system (orifice tube w/accumulator), I'm placing my bets that the correct
amount is 8 ounces.

Choosing what kind of refrigerant oil is as confusing as choosing motor oil.
There are at  least 3 kinds of PAG, one kind of POE and the old reliable
mineral oil if you are still using R-12.  Newer oils claim to be
cross-compatible between R-12 & R-134a.  Since they are so incredibly
hygroscopic (similar to how brake fluid is) I think it is a waste of time to
worry about measuring the pH.  If you have to open the system up, you might
as well flush it completely and replace it with new oil from a sealed
container.

I just cut open two used DeLorean accumulators today to have a look inside.
One had about 1 ounce of oil in it, and the other had about 1 ounce of
water.  And unfortunately, the one with the water was the one that I just
took off my car minutes earlier.  $#!+  It took a combination of
heating/cooling/brute force to get the orifice tube connection apart.  It
was corroded stuck.  Once I got the system flushed with Dura 141, I found a
lot of metal particles.  I suppose that the previous owner didn't know or
didn't care enough to add oil  and didn't change the accumulator or pull a
vacuum before charging it  There apparently was only a few drops of oil in
the system, but I haven't check the compressor yet.  I'm REALLY surprised
that I got 2 years & 14K miles out of it.  And the system was still working
when I took it apart.  The external symptoms were that it was leaking at the
compressor seal and was getting noisy.

Today I put another compressor on, pulled a vacuum that held and everything
went well so far.  I charged it to 40psi to make sure the seals were
completely seated and a few minutes later I noticed the pressure steadily
dropping.  I got the leak sniffer out and found that the evaporator was
leaking.  I'm not surprised since it was so corroded internally and I
stressed the connections a bit getting them apart.  (The expansion tube &
outer pipe were bent like a banana before I started.)  All of this is
because a previous mechanic didn't care to do it right.  And a new
evaporator is going to cost over $400 not to mention my labor & materials.
All of this could have been avoided if they serviced the system properly.

The moral of the story so far:  I have seen two DeLorean a/c systems that
were the victim of a bad or dishonest mechanic.  And despite this, it can
take several months (or even two years in my case) before the symptoms start
to appear.  If an owner didn't know better, he might take it back to the
same jerk and get screwed all over again.

So does anyone have any advice on removing/replacing the evaporator?

Walt    Tampa, FL




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/