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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1108
Date: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:59 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Braided fuel lines... *UPDATE*
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

2. melted wires
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

3. RE: A/C Idler Pulley Bearings.
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

4. RE: Question #3 (NKOB #5939)
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Question #3 (NKOB #5939)
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. RE: Re: Door Adjustments
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. bad jokes we get... :)
From: "dmcjohn" <john.dore_at_dml_fidelity.com>

8. Re: Braided fuel lines... *UPDATE*
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Re: Re: Question #2 (NKOB #5939)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: DeLoreans on eBay
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>

11. Distributor cap and wires
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

12. Disregard Question #3 (NKOB #5939)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

13. Re: Distributor cap and wires
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: bad jokes we get... :)
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

15. Re: Distributor cap and wires
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

16. #2727 running (finally)
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

17. Re: bad jokes we get... :)
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

18. Re: Distributor cap and wires
From: "rendy_cheng" <rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu>

19. driving with doors open?
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

20. Pictures of my custom sunstar
From: "deloreanman7777" <DavidBloom722_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. D for sale in York, PA. Can someone check it for me?
From: "SteveDMC" <stevedmc_at_dml_ponchatoulahigh.com>

22. RE: driving with doors open?
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net>

23. Re: melted wires
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>

24. Re: driving with doors open?
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

25. Re: driving with doors open?
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:06:24 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Re: Braided fuel lines... *UPDATE*

John, 

I was on your website but your image for the SS fuel lines is busted. What I
want to replace are the 6 lines from the distributor to the injectors, cold
start valve to distributor, and the two lines to the top of the CPR.

The piece I'm trying to locate is a banjo adapter that has an 8MM hole on
one end and SAE male on the other to accept a standard fitting. This way,
the banjo will never have to be removed; you can just unscrew the hose from
the adapter.

Aeroquip has what I need but it's only available in 10MM. I have found the
8MM banjo that matches the one I currently have
(http://www.bsr-aerotek.com/econhose9.htm), but no one will shrink-fit
Teflon in my area.

HOLD THE PHONE!

As I type this message, I may have found something. 
http://www.goodridge.net/cat/adaptors/jicunfbanjo.htm
They have a banjo adapter with a 5/16 hole size... Hmm 8MM is .314 inches. 5
divided by 16 is .312.

Of course, if you have them already made, I'd like to see those too.



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:59:50 -0400
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: melted wires

A friend with no computer has asked me to request help. All the the black
wires in his relay area - 1st row behind the passenger seat - have melted.
That is the ground wiring, I believe. What may be the cause? Where does that
bundle of wires that contains the black wires, go ?

Marvin Stein
#17707
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com






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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:04:57 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: A/C Idler Pulley Bearings.

This is not a difficult task.
Remove the pulley and bracket from the engine.
Note where all of the spacers go, and with which bolt.
There is an O-ring behind the stamped metal cover, be careful with it.
Remove the pulley from the bracket.
There is a Tru-arc clip on both sides of the bearing, remove them both.
To press the bearing out, find a socket that will fit in the bore of the
pulley, then press the bearing out using your bench vice.
If you don't have a vice, tap the socket with a mallet.
Clean the pulley bore thoroughly, install one of the Tru-arc clips.
Using the socket, carefully tap the bearing into the bore.  Once you have it
started, you can finish with the vice.
ONLY PRESS ON THE OUTSIDE DIAMETER OF THE BEARING OTHERWISE YOU WILL DAMAGE
THE BEARING.
Install the second Tru-arc clip.
Since you noted where the spacers go, use a dab of super glue to attach the
spacers and brackets together.
Now bolt the glues assemblies into place.
Install the belt and tension properly.

Scott Mueller
002981

-----Original Message-----
From: therealdmcvegas [mailto:DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:17 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] A/C Idler Pulley Bearings.


When I get home today, I should have a new set of idler pulley bearings
waiting for me to replace my old ones.  Right now, I have neither my
workshop
manual, nor my cell phone handy, so I'll post this question to the list;

Does anyone have any tips on replacing these bearings? I know that there is
a clip on the front that I could remove with a pair of needle nose pliers.
So do I
have to remove both brackets from the engine block, or can I change the
bearings with them left on? Ideas? Advice?

As usual, thanks in advance!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:35:29 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Question #3 (NKOB #5939)

I believe that PJ Gradys has a one piece exhaust manifold gasket with new
fasteners available. www.pjgrady.com

You might be opening a can of worms when you change the gasket, I would wait
until I had the car in a garage so you can close the door and walk away
frustrated ;>)

There has been much discussion recently about changing the manifold gaskets,
lots of broken studs and frustration.  The studs freeze into the heads and
end up broken.  Lots of liquid wrench, well placed heat from a torch,
several well placed taps with a hammer and perhaps a stud remover.

I found my stud remover at NAPA, about $30 and well worth it.

The stud remover attaches to you socket wrench and grips the stud with a
cam.

Make sure that you use plenty of Never-Seize or other type of anti-seize
compound.

Good Luck

Scott Mueller
002981



-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net]

Subject: [DML] Question #3 (NKOB #5939)


Will these questions never end (a bit like taking a 6 year old to the
movies, eh?)

Question #3: Passenger exhaust manifold gasket is torn & leaking.
Would like to replace before I drive car south (it's embarrassing).
Does anyone have a common cross reference or should I get one
expressed from a D vendor?

Bill Robertson
North Carolina (but his D is 400 miles away)
#5939





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:48 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Question #3 (NKOB #5939)

As a "newbie" you will find it a lot easier to buy your parts from a 
Delorean vender. You can be sure that the parts you get will fit 
without modifacation. You also have the years of experience available 
to you at the cost of a phone call. It is hard enough to work on a "D" 
when you aren't familiar with it but then to get a part that fits but 
won't work correctly and you don't know any better only causes 
frustration. Many crossover parts aren't exactly correct and when you 
talk to a Delorean vender they may tell you you are replacing the 
wrong part to fix the problem! The may try to sell you more than you 
think you need but believe me when they tell you you need something 
YOU NEED IT! Your initial order should also include an oil filter, air 
filter, fuel filter, Workshop manual and Parts manual, and whatever 
else you can afford. Go over the relays and circuit breakers, fix all 
leaks, and bulletproof the cooling system. IMHO you should make it 
reliable before you go for the cosmetics. If it won't run it doesn't 
matter if it looks good! I hope your A/C conversion works out but past 
experience shows that there will be future problems. When changing the 
accumulater DON'T BEND OR KINK THE FUEL LINES!!!!!!!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Will these questions never end (a bit like taking a 6 year old to 
the
> movies, eh?)
> 
> Thanks for info & support to date (will answer all those eMails
> tomorrow). Will buy vendor struts. How about the fuel accumulator --





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Door Adjustments


I have door launchers on my car.  I also have the
self-dampening struts.  Here are my comments after 5
months of ownership.

I would not use anything other than the self-dampening
struts with the launchers.  I suspect that would
result in too much bouncing at the top and that would
seem to cause other problems we wouldn't want to
experience.

Yes, the trosion bar was tightened a a bit more than
"normal".  However, I plan to back it off a notch.  I
think the doors will go up just fine and it will make
them easier to close.  (My wife is a small woman and
has difficulty getting the right leverage to close the
door gracefully - that's the bad news.  She points out
that the good news is that I now close the door for
her!)

IMHO, the launchers are a very nice, cool, unobtrusive
addition to the D.

Dick Ryan

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:37:33 -0000
From: "dmcjohn" <john.dore_at_dml_fidelity.com>
Subject: bad jokes we get... :)

Hi list,
I've owned my DeLorean about 5 months now, I still can't believe the 
huge attention it gets, and of course the same jokes over and over! I 
like when people come up to me and talk about the car, at the gas 
station or the dunkin donuts, but I suppose the same bad jokes over 
and over does get a bit much, although I try and pretend I think 
they're funny anyway out of politeness or something...
Most common comments I get shouted at me while driving, Hey Marty!, 
hey where's the flux capacitor, hey back to the future!!, hey 1.21 
jigawatts, etc. Last night was probably the most comments I ever got, 
after leaving the Lynyrd Skynyrd concert here in Boston, and then 
driving past a crowd of a few thousand drunks, it was something else!!
Of course it doesn't help matters that my licence plate reads "MCFLY" 
so I suppose I'm just asking for it :)
Just rolled over 20,000 miles since new last night, still running A1. 
Thats 8000 almost trouble free miles since I got the car 5 months 
ago. Who says a DeLorean isn't a reliable daily driver??!
All the best,
John Dore, VIN#3810, Boston, MA.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "aaron_t_graham" <aaron_t_graham_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> > If I hear one more flux capacitor joke from the general public I 
> think 
> > I will scream ...
> 
> Congrats on your new D!  Unfortunately, these jokes are just 
> something you're going to need to get used to.  I've always been 
> quite introverted, and so I consider the stares, jokes and hovering 
> crowds to be one of the most annoying things about owning a D (yes, 
> even more annoying than the cooling system).  It's always amazed me 
> how people can make back to the future jokes and laugh at 
themselves 
> histerically, thinking you'd never heard them before.  I've owned a 
> daily driver Delorean for 2.5 years now.  Trust me; the intrusive 
> glances and sour jokes will never stop, but I've learned to deal 
with 
> them.





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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Braided fuel lines... *UPDATE*


--- Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> PS I liked Don's hoses a lot, but balked at the
> price.
> 
- - - - - - - - - - -

Martin

I, too, liked Don's hoses but balked at the price. 
Problem is, we need an alternative to compare to. 
Please keep us posted with your contact.  Geez - I'd
love to have stainless steel braided hoses with chrome
plated fittings!!!!!!

Dick Ryan

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Question #2 (NKOB #5939)


--- aaron_t_graham <aaron_t_graham_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If I hear one more flux capacitor joke from the
> general public I 
> think 
> > I will scream ...
- - - - - - - - -  - - - -

Even more irritating to me are the comments like:

"Is he still in prison?"

"Did it come with a pound of coke in the glove box?.

And, of course, ""What's a PRV6?  I thought they all
came with 351 Clevelands!"

Dick Ryan



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:14:37 -0400
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans on eBay

Hello all
It seems to me that there is something wrong with every DeLorean being sold
on eBay recently. If it continues people will loose interest in auctions...
But that is beyond our control. For some reason DeLorean community is being
targeted by scammers recently. But there is a light at the end of the
tunnel!! My DeLorean is currently listed on eBay. Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1842627769
This car is real and I took the pictures myself.

Tom Niemczewski
vin 6298 (FOR SALE)
tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net



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From: "Aaron Posey" <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [DML] Beware of auction on ebay


<SNIP>
> This could be a possible scammer, or someone just borrowing my engine
picture.  I will be notifying ebay about the matter.  No matter which, this
car is being misrepresented.





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:38:45 -0400
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: Distributor cap and wires

What is the best way to go about changing the the cap and rotor.  Thanks in advance. 

jim sawyer
vin 4149



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:06:07 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Disregard Question #3 (NKOB #5939)

Went to PJ Grady's website. Must've heard me coming (yes, I sound like
a doodlebug). Will upgrade both sides from vendor. Wasn't too thrilled
about those rusty studs anyway.

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:09:18 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Distributor cap and wires

In a message dated 7/10/02 4:44:45 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net writes:


> What is the best way to go about changing the the cap and rotor.  Thanks in 
> advance. 
> 
> jim sawyer
> vin 4149

Jim,

certainly the best way but certainly not the easiest is to remove the fuel 
system and the intake manifold! the distributer is right in front of you 
then!  if that is not a possibility (daily driver?) then you just have to be 
really careful and double-jointed.

personally i would take the opportunity to take the fuel system out and the 
intake manifold. then you can get it all glassbeaded and painted, and clean 
your engine up while you are in there.  that's what i did last winter, and 
i'm glad i did it.  only it was the other way around.  i already had the fuel 
system and manifold out, so i decided to do the water pump and the ignition 
system while i was in there.......

Andy
Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:56:27 -0400
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: bad jokes we get... :)

Sometimes I wonder if I had to drive my D everyday if I would be able to put up with all the same old jokes myself.  Nice going John. :)  (Do you get any of the stupid cocaine jokes?)

Richard



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:41:54 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Distributor cap and wires

Hi Jim

I can speak with some authority here having finally got #2727 running today (more later). The process is only slightly removed from replacing the HT leads.

The air intake and throttle housing needs to be moved, but do do NOT need to disconnect any fuel hoses. Remove the "half-donut" casting at the back of the intake
manifold (back means towards the rear of the car). Undo the two allen key bolts securing the idle speed motor to the left bank. Unplug and release from the vacuum
hose on the front side by undoing its hose clip. Also pull it from the hose on its back side. With the motor removed, you can now pull out the metal pipe which
goes from the front of the idlespeed motor and slots through into the throttle housing/airflow sensor. NB this can be a bitch to replace. Note how it comes out!
Now on #2727 we needed to remove the bolt securing a bunch of ground wires on the front of the left intake. Disconnect the throttle link lever at the spool
(circlip just like on the gas struts).

With the above done, CAREFULLY lift the intake up and back - watch those fuel hoses! You should be able to pull it towards the back far enough that you can access
the dizzy. The cap is held on with two metal clips - obvious when you see it. It just lifts off and the rotor arm pulls off also. I have not removed the rotor but
I believe it's a push-fit (?)

Joe has a diagram of HT lead placement at www.dmc.tv - but if all else fails, it is written on it :-)

Notes: My experience is based on #2727 which did not have louvers, engine cover, rear fascia or rear panel (the one under the fascia) in the way. It also has the
turbo pipework meaning removing those "half-donuts" was not an issue - just a couple of hoseclips instead.

It's not as hard as it sounds!

Martin
#1458

mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net wrote:

> What is the best way to go about changing the the cap and rotor.  Thanks in advance.
>
> jim sawyer
> vin 4149




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:45:49 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: #2727 running (finally)

Hi All

Rich and I finally got her running today - not to go into the two days of trial and error, suffice to say that it boiled down to a HUGE vacuum leak on one of the
turbo pipes. We had to drill out the mixture adjustment screw hole (wierd not to have been done on a turbo), and basically richen it up to the point where it would
run even with the vacuum leak. Then the whistling from the turbo indicated the leak.

Thanks for all the suggestions - we tried every one! #1458 is now sulking because of all the parts we pulled off her to try on #2727!

Now it's cosmetic reassembly, sort out the brakes and giver her a damn good wash!

Martin
#1458
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:42:23 +0100
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: bad jokes we get... :)

I second what John Dore has just said,

I have added more than 3000 miles to the 5880 that were on my October 1981
since I bought it in February.

Apart from clutch master cylinder packing up the car has been 100% reliable
and have had all the usual comments.

The best attention as stated is at petrol stations, this one time I pulled
up released the door and as it raised I heard this rapturous applause.  I
got out to find around 20 school kids on their lunch break loitering near
the shops adjacent to the garage forecourt.  I went to pay for the petrol
(sorry, gas as you call it across the pond) and was bombarded with questions
when I was walking back to the car.  A Porsche 996 was parked up aswell and
the owners face as his car was being totally over shadowed was an absolute
picture.

I really like owning a DeLorean, each trip is a mini adventure.

I went one night for a one mile drive down to my office to pick something
up.  It was around 11pm and as I pulled out on to the main road a set of
headlights shot up rather close behind me.  I looked up to see a Police
Astra following with interest.  I am thinking... you are going to pull me
over aren't you.... for the next minute or so I kept checking and sure
enough the blue haze hit the mirror.  I pulled over to find that the cop
reckoned I was swerving, noticed the lack of alcohol on my breath asked some
questions about how many were built? Is that aluminium?  Do they still make
them??

I was on my way again soon enough.

Has been fun, looking forward to Super Car Sunday it can only get better!!!

Regards

Chris Hawes
vin 5255
nearly on 9k miles

p.s. A newly registered imported DeLorean is hoping to be ready in time and
a twin-turbo DeLorean is taking its first test runs as you are reading this?
The overall count for this UK event should exceed 20+ cars....

----- Original Message -----
From: dmcjohn <john.dore_at_dml_fidelity.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:37 PM
Subject: [DML] bad jokes we get... :)


> Hi list,
> I've owned my DeLorean about 5 months now, I still can't believe the
> huge attention it gets, and of course the same jokes over and over! I
> like when people come up to me and talk about the car, at the gas
> station or the dunkin donuts, but I suppose the same bad jokes over
> and over does get a bit much, although I try and pretend I think
> they're funny anyway out of politeness or something...
> Most common comments I get shouted at me while driving, Hey Marty!,
> hey where's the flux capacitor, hey back to the future!!, hey 1.21
> jigawatts, etc. Last night was probably the most comments I ever got,
> after leaving the Lynyrd Skynyrd concert here in Boston, and then
> driving past a crowd of a few thousand drunks, it was something else!!
> Of course it doesn't help matters that my licence plate reads "MCFLY"
> so I suppose I'm just asking for it :)
> Just rolled over 20,000 miles since new last night, still running A1.
> Thats 8000 almost trouble free miles since I got the car 5 months
> ago. Who says a DeLorean isn't a reliable daily driver??!
> All the best,
> John Dore, VIN#3810, Boston, MA.
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "aaron_t_graham" <aaron_t_graham_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> > > If I hear one more flux capacitor joke from the general public I
> > think
> > > I will scream ...
> >
> > Congrats on your new D!  Unfortunately, these jokes are just
> > something you're going to need to get used to.  I've always been
> > quite introverted, and so I consider the stares, jokes and hovering
> > crowds to be one of the most annoying things about owning a D (yes,
> > even more annoying than the cooling system).  It's always amazed me
> > how people can make back to the future jokes and laugh at
> themselves
> > histerically, thinking you'd never heard them before.  I've owned a
> > daily driver Delorean for 2.5 years now.  Trust me; the intrusive
> > glances and sour jokes will never stop, but I've learned to deal
> with
> > them.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:25:29 -0000
From: "rendy_cheng" <rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Distributor cap and wires

I have done that recently. I had 3 problems whenI did that.  (1) position 
yourself to do the job.  I  basically had to bend over and research into far side 
of engine bay.  (2) ensure the rotor cap is in right orientation.  There is n 
indent that helps you position the cap, but it is not very difficult to rotate it our 
of positiion.  (3) putting back the steel clips which holds the rotor cap.   
Because of the orientation I was in, it is not easy for me to apply force with my 
finger tips. 

rendy
vin 4220


> What is the best way to go about changing the the cap and rotor.  Thanks in 
advance. 
> 
> jim sawyer
> vin 4149
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:28:13 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: driving with doors open?


I'm sure this will spark off a fair amount of debate, but I and a few other
owners I've spoken with do not know the answer to this observation/question:

In Cleveland and Memphis, I have noticed alot of D owners who pop open their
doors at every and any need to communicate with someone outside, even when
the "toll booth" window would be perfectly acceptable. Along with the
propensity to pop open their doors, these people also tend to drive a fair
amount with their "doors up" (say up to 20 MPH or so).

To me, the car feels unstable when driven even at very slow speeds with the
door open - as if the structural integrity of the car is being significantly
compromised.  Not to mention, the forward/reverse leverage forces on the
torsion bar, hinge, t-panel, door, and roof that that heavy door hanging
three feet up in the air causes.

For me, I *never* drive or move the car with the door(s) open - it just
doesn't feel right.  But I see alot of seemingly knowledgeable people do it
despite the obvious stresses placed on the door and chassis.

So, what's the consensus?  Do we "drive stainless" open or closed?  Why/not?

-Hank Eskin #1619




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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:55:51 -0000
From: "deloreanman7777" <DavidBloom722_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Pictures of my custom sunstar

[ If there are any comments on John's Sunstar model please email him rather than use the list.  Moderator ]


If anyone wants to see pictures of my custom sunstar delorean, 
they are under photos, then Custom Sunstar. you could get 
ideas on how to customize your Sunstar Delorean

John
Vin#2030
Honolulu,hi




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:07:33 -0500
From: "SteveDMC" <stevedmc_at_dml_ponchatoulahigh.com>
Subject: D for sale in York, PA. Can someone check it for me?

If anyone is in the York, PA area that could check a car out for me I would apreciate it.

I found a project car that I might be interested in, but wanted to see if anyone could check and see if its worth it.

Pleas email me directly 
SteveDMC(at)ponchatoulahigh.com

Thanks,
Stephen Rice

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:06:11 -0700
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: RE: driving with doors open?

Hank and group,

I am among the group that drives with my door open at very low speeds, and
whenever anyone asks me why I do it, there's one answer I always give:

"Because I can."

Think about it.  This doesn't work on 99.9% of cars out there (Jeeps that
lack doors entirely don't count).

A nice breeze does blow down into the car, too.

I'm very careful with my car, but I don't worry about the doors open issue
at low speeds.

Ryan McCaffrey
#10014
Arizona DeLorean Club

-----Original Message-----


In Cleveland and Memphis, I have noticed alot of D owners who pop open their
doors at every and any need to communicate with someone outside, even when
the "toll booth" window would be perfectly acceptable. Along with the
propensity to pop open their doors, these people also tend to drive a fair
amount with their "doors up" (say up to 20 MPH or so).

So, what's the consensus?  Do we "drive stainless" open or closed?  Why/not?

-Hank Eskin #1619






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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:47:57 -0400
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: melted wires


Did your friend replace any of the relays? I had this happen to me when a 
local Bosch distributor sold me the wrong replacement relay and it took the 
positive to the ground in my relay compartment. Marty Maier and myself spent 
a late night redoing it. This stuff always seems to happen right before 
trips or shows.

Cecil Longwisch
#10663

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:50:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: driving with doors open?

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Hank Eskin wrote:

> To me, the car feels unstable when driven even at very slow speeds
> with the door open - as if the structural integrity of the car is
> being significantly compromised.  Not to mention, the forward/reverse

It is :}  The door is a significant component of the structure of any
car.  Even though the DeLorean has a frame, it provides almost no
resistance to twisting forces.  It's not the best thing in the world to
drive around with the doors open.

That said, driving at 10-20 mph isn't going to cause enough stress to
cause damage to the structure or to cause a safety hazard.  The biggest
risk would be hitting someone in the head with the edge of the door, I
think. :}




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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: driving with doors open?

I drive with my door open almost every day. As mine is a daily driver, I
usually leave it open as I'm pulling out of a parking space. The main
reason is that it gives my car additional visibility for safety reasons.
Our cars are small and can be easilly missed in this world of SUV's (or
monster trucks as I, and others like to call them). Secondly, it's a few
more seconds get I get to show off my doors. :)

I've been down to Garden Grove (DeLorean Motor Center) where a lot of the
cars are moved around with the doors open. There's such a small lot there,
that it makes me feel better that they're doing it actually. Whenever
someone moves the car around the lot, I've noticed that it's done with the
door open, and the driver's head out the door checking all angles. Speed
varies depending on the proximity to dangers (other cars, garage
entrences, etc). Those guys are real pros, so I imagine if it was bad for
the car, it wouldn't be done.

20 Mph though... I'm not so sure about.

-Christian




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