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Date: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:29 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Painted D
From: "tmasterlc" <tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com>

2. DeLorean Jumpstarting.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

3. RPM-relay modification
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

4. Monitor-LEDs instead of clock
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

5. Burgundy Interior Wanted...
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. RE: DeLorean Jumpstarting.
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: Monitor-LEDs instead of clock
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

8. Re: Used Ground Effect Side Skirts For Sale
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Steering Wheel
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: Monitor-LEDs instead of clock
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

11. Delorean rubber
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

12. About the origins of the PRV V6 design ideas!
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:41:28 -0000
From: "tmasterlc" <tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Painted D

List

Some of you had asked about the paint used on the Yellow D you saw at 
the Memphis show.

It is a German brand paint called Spies Hecker.  This paint uses an 
acid etch primer, color coat, and clear coat and is baked on at 140 
degress.  It comes with a lifetime guarantee.  Color is Millenium 
Yellow from a 02 Vette.  I figured if it was good enought for a 
Vette, it was good enough for the D.

One warning...if you have fiberglass ground effects, etc, do not bake 
at 140 degrees.  This amount of heat on fiberglass can cause it to 
pop and split.  Use a lower temp and longer time.

Thanks for all the positive comments on our Yellow D project car.  
Glad you all enjoyed it.

Thanks Ron




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:13:17 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: DeLorean Jumpstarting.

Well, last night I had a unique experience. I used my DeLorean to 
jump start another vehicle. I've thought about it before, but never 
thought I had to. Having to pull the battery out wasn't that 
difficult, but trying to clamp the cables on to the bolt heads on the 
side terminals wasn't totally easy. Especially in the dark. It took 
me 2 times to get it right. 2 weeks ago, I installed a 150 amp 
alternator from SpecialTAuto. So I had the power to back it up. I 
idled the car _at_dml_ 2K RPM's for about a minute, and then kicked it up to 
2500 when I started the truck. The truck turned right over, and the 
voltmeter didn't even budge! There was no strain on my car at all! 
Overall, I am very pleased with the alternator! And was wondering if 
anyone else here has had jump start another car with their D, or am I 
the first? :)

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:57:31 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: RPM-relay modification

Hello all,

As promised I have now put pictures of my RPM-relay modification up.
They can be found at <http://members.home.nl/delorean/rpm/>

The fist picture shows the new external relay sitting next to the
housing of the RPM-module, taped and screwed together.
The second picture shows the case removed from the module
with the relay allready attached.

On the third picture the wiring can clearly be seen;
the green wires carry the current for the fuelpump and main fuel relay,
the blue wires feed the coil of the new relay and the little gray
wire on the PCB probved nessecary for making everything work.
It turned out that the original relay also functioned as a bridge
to supply power from pin 15 to the 555 timer IC.

At the bottom corner you can see the old contacts; I snipped them off,
since reoving them from the PCB would mean damaging it and all is
out of sight, so who cares...

Half an hour of fidgeting saved me allmost $65,- so to me it was worth
it; my car now runs better that it has for a long time...
Any questions are welcome,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:33:37 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Monitor-LEDs instead of clock

Hello again, 

Since I was busy with the pictures of the RPM-relay I also put
up pictures of my finished monitoring-panel *(you might rememer
me asking for inspiration a couple of months ago).
The monitor is up at <http://members.home.nl/delorean/monitor>


As promised I have now put pictures of my RPM-relay modification up.
They can be found at <http://members.home.nl/delorean/rpm/>

- The first picture is what I see when nearing the car,
  this flashes to let me know the alarm is activated.
- The second picture was taken with the engine running and hot engine;
  both fans are running, as is my fuelpump and the tem is still too high.
- When the temp gets low enough the otterstat cuts out and my fans
  sequence down, in the 3rd pic you can see that only fan 2 is still
  running thanks to FanZilla (I LOVE to see this!)
- The actual Icon Design is shown in pic 4, I can't demonstrate the
  AC-light, since my AC doesn't work at the moment, but the symbol
  cycles with the clutch.
- The 5th pic shows the new window I made, still on my work bench,
  looks allmost stock, doesn't it?!?
- Most asked question is how I fixed the window; you can see here!
  The plastic has a hole in it that's smaller than the window, the
  window sits on top of the plastic and is glued in place. I made
  a Circuitboard that screws into the hollow posts seen at the bottom.
- These are the actual LED-elements, each square contains 4 chips, which
  I put in series per square with a resistor to determine the current.
- The board from below, with the wires connected, tinned tracks
  and a couple of shrinkwrapped resistors...

I'm very happy with this setup; it's proven more usefull to me than
the original clock and has helped troubleshooting on both (allmost)
overheating my engine and some no-start (RPM-relay) trouble.

Any questions are welcome,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:05:29 -0000
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Burgundy Interior Wanted...

Hello all DMC'ers.

Currently I am in the proccess of creating a new program to help 
owners diagnoiss 
problems and to help fix their DeLorean, but that is not the main 
issue of this
post.  While beta testing some of the code in the new program, I fond 
a
rather strage email by James Espey on October 8, 1996, quite a while 
ago huh.  

Anyway, this email states that there was at least one set of a fouth 
color interior, 
Burgundy.  While touring the KAPAC? stockroom rummaging through 
boxes, he found several
interior peices of the DeLorean in the strange color.  Some were 
tagged "Prototype" on
the back.  The items that he mentioned were...  binnacle, a center 
console,
three door handles (where the strap is attached on the early cars) a 
steering 
wheel center cap and a glove box lid.  One was stamped, April 2, 1982.

May I ask, where are these peices.  The email was unclear if James 
Espey bought them.  If he 
owns them or anybody else knows who owns these burgundy peices, I 
want to get in contact with
them, and to purchase them, basicly at any price they demand.  As far 
as I can tell, they are
the only ones in existance.  Personaly, I dont think they would look 
that bad in a black interior
car, as some weird black/gray ones came from the factory towards the 
end.

Thanks for everything, and Live The Dream!

Thomas Porter
Maine, USA




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:02:22 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Jumpstarting.

You can connect the cables in the engine compartment.  There is a Positive
terminal post next to the coolant surge tank, and you can connect the
negative to the engine.  A lot easier than getting into the battery
compartment.

Scott Mueller
002981

-----Original Message-----
From: therealdmcvegas [mailto:DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:13 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Jumpstarting.


Well, last night I had a unique experience. I used my DeLorean to
jump start another vehicle. I've thought about it before, but never
thought I had to. Having to pull the battery out wasn't that
difficult, but trying to clamp the cables on to the bolt heads on the
side terminals wasn't totally easy



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:19:16 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Monitor-LEDs instead of clock

any questions?    That is sheer brilliance.  I love it.  It has an excellent
look and very, very useful.  I want one.  How much to market this?  I can't
stand my clock.  This is one of those things that is useful and makes the
car look 2002.  Show us more detailed pics.

Joseph

vin 2850

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
To: "DMC-News" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>; "DOC-UK" <doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>;
"DMC Electrics" <dmc_electrics_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: [DML] Monitor-LEDs instead of clock


> Hello again,
>
> Since I was busy with the pictures of the RPM-relay I also put
> up pictures of my finished monitoring-panel *(you might rememer
> me asking for inspiration a couple of months ago).
> The monitor is up at <http://members.home.nl/delorean/monitor>



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:42:17 EDT
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Used Ground Effect Side Skirts For Sale

If anybody is interested, I have a set of used ground effect side skirts for 
sale.  I have removed them from my car and they are clean with no damages. If 
you are interested, please e-mail me privately:  kayoong(AT)aol.com

Kayo Ong 
#5508
Lic 9D  NY



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:18:57 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel

Can you not get it re-skinned with new leather?

Martin
#1458

dursman wrote:

> Hey guys...
> Just wondering if anyone has replaced their steering wheel with an
> aftermarket one.  My original is getting way past its life and a NOS
> DeLorean one will cost about $300 I think.  So I was looking
> aftermarket.  Anybody done this yet?  Thanks.
>
> -Chris-
> VIN 10213




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:04:49 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Monitor-LEDs instead of clock


> Any questions are welcome,

Yeah... just one question:  When are you going to start making and selling
these??

I don't need the "alarm" indicator, but the rest are awesome.  Nice job.

-Hank Eskin #1619




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:59:33 EDT
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Delorean rubber

Like many owners one of my first repairs on my Delorean was replacing most of 
the fuel system because my car sat....and sat. My question is that it seems 
that one of the main explanations for this problem is the fuel sitting and 
corroding the rubber in the lower fuel pump boot. I am wondering the 
difference between the rubber used in the boot and the rubber used in the 
main pick up hose?.....If the rubber used in making the boot was (is) the 
problem then why are we using the same boots and what makes the rubber in the 
hose not prone to breaking down?....If I am wrong and the problem is any 
rubber in the tank than....never mind. :-)

mike c 
2109 


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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:47:16 EDT
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: About the origins of the PRV V6 design ideas!


This list came from the The Douvrin PRV Six-Engine Association. Interesting 
story.

Best Wishes,
Michael

<<Greetings to all our Members!

I have spent some time researching the very early
stages of the PRV V6 engine development.

Piero Casucci tells in his book "Lancia Thema" that the
PRV V6 design was most of all influenced by the
development of the Citroen SM Maserati engine. Piero
Casucci, of course, is Italian by nationality, but in
my opinion he is anyway a very reliable source of
information even in this case.

The Citroen SM engine was developed by Giulio Alfieri
who worked for Maserati, after Citroen acquired the
ownership of the Maserati marque. Maserati had a good
reputation in France, and now it had even a French
owner. Therefore, also in my opinion, it seems quite
natural that the SM project led to another "French
connection", with the Peugeot-Renault axle (Volvo later
involved) who had the aim 
of developing a French performance engine.

We must keep in mind, however, that there is very
strong evidence about the PRV V6 project being
originally a V8 one! So the question remains, what was
the original model that Peugeot and Renault used as an
example for a V8 engine ? Logically thinking, this V8
would have been the Maserati Mexico 4,2 litre V8 from
which the Citroen SM V6 was developed.

Please comment this information if you have anything to
add or any serious opinions.

Best Regards,

Mr. Pertti Tapio Mäkelä
The Douvrin PRV Six-Engine Association>>



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