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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1131
Date: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:40 AM

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: I quit. (issues)
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>

2. Re: Towing/Car Transporter
From: JVC220_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Re: REAR MAIN OIL SEAL REPLACEMENT
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

4. Re: Battery Dangers.
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

5. Re: Don't feed my car after midnight! Or else I get electrical gremlins!
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

6. Re: Towing/Car Transporter
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

7. thank you
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>

8. RE: Towing/Car Transporter (little lengthy), not anymore
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

9. REAR MAIN OIL SEAL REPLACEMENT
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:22:25 -0400
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>
Subject: Re: I quit. (issues)

It's too bad that people give up when other people step on their pet peeves.
I will try to keep this short, brief, and to the point.
    1)I have had similar issues with moderators.  If a message gets denied,
always let the sender know why.  Don't let it disappear.  Moderating should
be used to control fighting and to keep things civil, not for eliminating a
thread which the moderator thinks is useless (see Webster's).
    2)People are smart enough to figure out which messages are helpful and
the not so helpful.  Even I am guilty of misinformation that I thought was
right (remember the halon issue?).  Just simply disregard the ones you don't
like or that doesn't apply.  You don't need a moderator for that.  Nor do
you need one to determine 'realistic' messages.
    3) I don't think Walt is a bad guy.  I just think he is an extravert who
likes to get his ideas and opinions out there.  Just remember that the
issues that he has is with the moderators and not the list members (read
below, as he never had an issue with a list member).  However, I think
dealing with the situation and addressing the problem to correct it and
sticking with it makes a better man than quitting. (Let me get this right:
You subscribe and read, and you'll only answer privately unless you get
stepped on.  How is this quitting again?)  If you want to whine and moan as
to why you can't cuss, then you need to move on.
    4) Last but certainly not least:  Ken, you are the one with the
testicular fortitude to run this and I salute you for that.  Without you, we
wouldn't have this mailing list.  Whiners and moaners need to come up to
this or create your own list.  Then again, why try to reinvent the wheel.
Stop spending your energy complaining and use it productively.  In the
meantime, for crying out loud, keep the laughing and joking coming!  The
crazy cop and flux capacitor stories are hysterical!  Not to mention the
poetry!  Now that would make me mad, a returned joke.  Nothing is worse than
a bunch of stiff stick in the muds trying to be professional on an informal
list!  Hang loose and have fun.
I'll see you on the list and at the shows!

Not so short, sorta simple, but to the point!

-Mike A.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:19 AM
Subject: [DML] I quit.


> I have had enough accumulated frustration with the DML that I am formally
> calling it quits, and I am not alone.  I have been corresponding via
e-mail,



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:37:26 EDT
From: JVC220_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Towing/Car Transporter

I transported my Delorean from where I purchased it to my home (only about 50 
miles) with my brothers '93 Ford Explorer that has over 200,000 miles on it.  
Not to mention the ball was just attached to the bumper, not a tow hitch and 
I had no problems.  I am not saying that you should not worry but I just 
thought I would share my story. 

Adam
JVC220_at_dml_aol.com 
#17086


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:50:01 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: REAR MAIN OIL SEAL REPLACEMENT

do you have the part numbers for the centerforce clutch and pressure plate?

thanks
mark


tmpintnl wrote:

> Lance - Do you think that oil from the leaking seal is contaminating
> your clutch disk, and causing the premature wear?  That has gotta
> suck!  My original clutch went 70K miles, with much spirited driving
> and countless parades!  I now have a Centerforce clutch, which I
> feel is superior to the OEM setup.  I looked in my documentation,
> and don't have a part number for the seal, but I was shocked by your
> clutch life (or lack thereof).  I hope that you get that sorted
> out.  If I stumble across a part number tomorrow, I'll try to post
> it.  Good luck.
>
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:34:46 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Dangers.


I was taught, and always remember this simple rule:

"Positive-to-Positive, Negative to Ground."

So, in two "normal" cars, jump the positive battery terminal (good car) to
positive battery terminal (dead car), negative battery terminal (good car)
to any good engine or frame ground on the dead car.  Of course, in the
Delorean, there is no reason you can't use the posts available in the engine
compartment if it is either the good or dead car.

-Hank




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:39:53 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Don't feed my car after midnight! Or else I get electrical gremlins!

I had this exact same problem in Memphis (although it was more erratic).
DMC Joe found and fixed two bad grounds, causing a ground fault.  He said
the tach is one of the first/best warning signs of a grounding problem.
Besides fixing the tach problem, my car now runs better than it ever had.
There is more power available for all the accessories, and the voltmeter
doesn't go nearly as low as it did in an "all-on" state.  And now my horn
and turn signals work at night when I have the A/C on.

-Hank Eskin #1619

----- Original Message -----
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: [DML] Don't feed my car after midnight! Or else I get electrical
gremlins!


> Ok, here's a new one. The lower the voltage in my car, the higher my tach
> goes. I know this sounds off the wall, but this is the problem: The lower
the
> voltage in my car, the higher my tach goes. If I turn all accessories on,
I can
> get the voltmeter down to the second notch. And when I do this, the tach
will



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:43:53 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Towing/Car Transporter

Been there done that.

U-Haul only goes by what is in their computer.

Tell them its a Volkswagen bug and I bet you leave with a tow trailer on
your Jeep.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Watkins Family" <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
To: "DMC News list" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 7:17 AM
Subject: [DML] Towing/Car Transporter


> List,

>
> I tried to reserve one on UHAUL's web site and it said the Grand
> Cherokee isn't heavy enough.....But if it can tow 5000 lbs, what's the
> deal?  My car is at Rob's and will be ready soon.  I want to stop
> bothering people for rides to New York from Maine.   The transporter
> will hold a DeLorean, it's just the worry that the Jeep isn't up to the
> task.
>



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:51:00 -0400
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>
Subject: thank you

Just wanted to say thanx for all the help with the garage door opener issues.  Hope you all stick around when I have my D!

-Mike A.


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:51:51 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Towing/Car Transporter (little lengthy), not anymore



snip

Someone respond to this if there are any companies out there that has this
hookup on a personal truck
(i.e. Toyota, Chevy, Dodge, etc).-Mike A.

snip

Mike,
My F-150 came with a trailer towing package.  It was prewired for electric
trailer brakes.

Scott Mueller
002981 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Watkins Family" <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
To: "DMC News list" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 7:17 AM
Subject: [DML] Towing/Car Transporter


> List,
>
> I have a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0L I-6 engine.  I just put a class
> three 5000lbs hitch on it from UHAUL.  QUESTION:  has anyone used a
> UHAUL car transporter (all wheels off the ground) and would anyone know
> about how much it AND the DeLorean weight together?



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:27:15 +1000
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>
Subject: REAR MAIN OIL SEAL REPLACEMENT

Thank you Toby for your input.    It had crossed my mind that the leaking 
seal may have had some impact on the latest clutch problem, however from my 
experience with other cars, oil on the clutch plate causes a shuddering 
noise when the clutch is engaged.   This did not occur.   On the occasions 
of my two previous clutch problems, the pads on the clutch plate simply 
shredded to bits.   The entire engine bay filled with fibres.   Here in New 
South Wales, it is a mandatory requirement that all motor vehicles undergo 
a yearly maintenance check.   No maintenance check - no 
registration!!   It's the government's way earning more money and 
supposedly to keep un-roadworthy vehicles off the road.   It was at one of 
these maintenance checks where the mechanic was driving the car to test the 
brakes which is done electronically.   He pulled the car to a stop, 
selected first gear, let out the clutch and nothing happened.  The clutch 
had let go.   There was no tell-tale noise - no nothing!!   Baffled, the 
mechanic lifted the engine cover and to his dismay, saw fibres all over the 
place.  This little ordeal cost about $500 to fix which included re-facing 
the flywheel.

A year later while my son was driving the DeLorean to a car show where we 
had entered it, the same thing happened .... shredded clutch plate.   This 
time I had the car trucked to a mechanic in Sydney who had worked on 
another DeLorean and who also had the blessing of Stephen Wynne who 
actually visited the workshop while he was in Australia a couple of years 
ago.   I also met Steven while he was here in Australia.   Well, after a 
further $1200, I was hopeful that my clutch problems would be over.   Now 
it's happened again, but this time the clutch plate is completely worn away.

The diagnosis from my mechanic, and that of a local clutch expert is that 
that the wrong pressure plate and clutch plate was used.   Although I have 
yet to receive the new components, I am hopeful again that this will be the 
last time my clutch fails.

With regards to the oil seal, and thanks to Klaus from Germany who provided 
me with the Renault Part Number (DMC 102024 = Renault Seal 7901 466 774), I 
bought a seal from my local parts dealer.   The cost was quite acceptable 
at $AU19.00 ($US10.00).  Inserting the seal was quite easy.  The old one 
basically 'fell-out'.  It had shrunk over the years and was obviously the 
cause of the oil leak.

Lance
Australia
#10599


Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:00:25 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: REAR MAIN OIL SEAL REPLACEMENT

Lance - Do you think that oil from the leaking seal is contaminating
your clutch disk, and causing the premature wear? That has gotta
suck! My original clutch went 70K miles, with much spirited driving
and countless parades! I now have a Centerforce clutch, which I
feel is superior to the OEM setup. I looked in my documentation,
and don't have a part number for the seal, but I was shocked by your
clutch life (or lack thereof). I hope that you get that sorted
out. If I stumble across a part number tomorrow, I'll try to post
it. Good luck.
Toby Peterson VIN 2248
Winged1




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