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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1142
Date: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:17 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: separate DMC tech list
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Brake Calipers, Tie Rod ends, Electrical Parts Source
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

3. Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

4. Re: Brake proportioning valve
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Headlamp switch Fix
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: TO ARMOUR ALL OR NOT?
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. RE: Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

8. Re: Re: TO ARMOUR ALL OR NOT?
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

9. Re: Re: Brake proportioning valve
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

10. Re: Re: Headlamp switch feeling the heatwave also
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

11. Re: THE engine
From: "dursman" <dursman_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Re: Re: Brake proportioning valve
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

13. Door Strut Test Results
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

14. RE: PRV V-6 toys & HP
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

15. RE: Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

16. RE: what kind of turbo?
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Re: Goodyear tires
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:46:59 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: separate DMC tech list

In a message dated 7/29/02 10:25:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com writes:

> The (DML) Tech list really needs a moderator....   Maybe splitting the DML 
> in to sub lists would be a positive thing considering the current size?  I 
> think so, as long as they remain moderated (except for maybe a "general 
> discussion" group).
> 
> 

I'd love to see that happen.  Personally, I'm 98% interested in Tech issues. 
Most events mentioned are not ones I can attend.  Many peripheral, JZD or 
collectible questions are of limited interest. I won't call these crap... 
they have their place, but they make it harder to search the back issues for 
specific topics.  I started the DMCTech Yahoo group for that reason, not 
visualizing it as an alternative, but rather as a "Cliff Notes" cousin to the 
DML.  Between copyright conflicts, (which made it impossible to share DML 
data and edit it) and concerns I'd weaken the DML, and a few people who were 
afraid I'd somehow get rich off publishing it in hardcopy, the thing never 
got off the ground.  I'd still like to use it to mount an interactive or 
rather cooperative effort to redo the DeLorean Manual series.  After two 
years of searching, I've got original copies of everything, for the best 
possible repro use.  But the last 14 months I've been head over heels at work 
with little time to spare. I haven't closed the site because, heck, I'd still 
like to see it up and running.  My apologies to those who've subscribed, 
found nothing happening there, and then unsubscribed a day later.  And my 
DeLorean Club hat is off to the DML moderators for their unpaid hard work. 
Unmoderated lists are intolerable junk piles.  Anybody who wants to start one 
is welcome to it.  You won't find me there. Heck, I don't even have time to 
read more than a few posts a day as it is.
Long live the DML!  And double your money back if you're not satisfied!  ;-)

Wayne A. Ernst
vin 11174
Inactive moderator, DMCTech



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:00:08 EDT
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Brake Calipers, Tie Rod ends, Electrical Parts Source

In a message dated 8/1/02 5:07:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwit6_at_dml_cs.com 
writes:

Got this reply from Moss Motors in Ca. Triumph specialty house.

"The TR6 comes close, most specs could be remachined and changed to fit
except the offset and that is totally wrong and you cannot change it, the
hub /Disc offset is 2.5"."

So it looks like the Jags are the closest as far as rotors go. Calipers 
should still be the right dimensions since the TR6 and DMC-12 both use a 
Girling type 16. There are some difs within the type 16 that I'm aware. 
Mainly mounting bolt hole diameter... 
Jim




<< or what it's worth,
 Looks like the front DMC-12 rotors are from a Jag Sovereign series 1,2 and 
3, 
 1968 - 82 rears. Also on the Double Six 82-86 rear.
 
 My orig DMC rotors hand measured:
  254 mm dia, 24 mm height, 12.5 mm thich, 70 mm dia center hole, 4 bolt
 The Jags show:
  262 mm dia, 25.5 mm height,  12.5 mm thick, 70 mm dia center hole, 4 bolt
 Specs came from www.dba.com.au Their #75 rotor.
 Probably close enough. No spec on bolt hole diameter or spacing.
 
 Jim 6147
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:18:04 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!

Hi Folks,

Due to all the recent ramblings about having a new list to post the
"rejects" and just having a different DML in general, I have decided
to start a brand new list....The DeLorean Mailing List 2!!

Here's where to subscribe: dmcnews2-subscribe_at_dml_yahoogroups.com

I hope to make this an unofficial branch of the DeLorean Mailing List.
ANY topic relating to DeLorean--Car, Company, and Creator--
may be discussed freely here! 

It WILL be moderated, but only lightly.  

So, if anyone would like to help moderate, let me know!

I want this to be as productive as possible in comparison to the regular
DML, and this can't be done by one person.  

I invite everyone to take part and welcome anyone as a moderator!

Have a Great Day Everyone!!

Robert Greenhaw
Owner/Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List 2
Email: dmcnews2-owner_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
  

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:07:11 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake proportioning valve

We are talking about the Delorean right? It has four wheel disk 
brakes....only adjustment that the brakes need are for the parking 
brakes.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I'm afraid Josh is correct on a car w/ rear drums. Without the
> proportioning valve, braking is rather squirrely (trust me -- I've
> tried it). On 4 wheel disc however does not seem to be necessary 
(I've
> done that too, but it *IS* a 5,000 pound Lincoln). Guess it's 
because
> hydraulic fluid is self adjusting. 
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/1/02 11:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > dmcman73_at_dml_h... writes:
> > 
> > << HUH? The front and Rear calipers are already on separate 
lines. They 
> >  do not have a common pipe. One pipe for the two front calipers 
goes 
> >  to one port of the brake Master Cylinder and the other pipe for 
the 
> >  rear calipers goes to another port on the Master Cylinders. The 
> >  ports on the Master Cylinders are already their own entity 
(separate 
> >  from one another). >>
> >




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:09:44 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Headlamp switch Fix

Group, I will be working on a head lamp switch Fix this weekend. I see what 
the problem is.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:23:27 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TO ARMOUR ALL OR NOT?

Sounds like a good idea. But I can see it now at car shows "So what 
do you use on your dash?" "I use Bannana Boat" "???".

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Mark and others, I add SPF 15 + to the leather treatments and 
> increase the protection. Has a little sun tan smell for a few
> days, but it works. If you use a damp to wet cloth to apply,
> you might also see some discoloration go away. Mine did.
>
> John Hervey
> http://www.specialtauto.com/
> 

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:27:51 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!

Other new lists have sprung up in the past week or so..  Do we really need ANOTHER?!

Too all of you who are "breaking away" to start your own list, I think your doing a disservice to DeLorean community.  Although I have subscribed to some of the new alternate lists, I find myself very quick with the Delete key.  I'm willing to bet that I am missing good information in many cases, but some of us don't have a full day to dedicate to reading a dozen or so lists with 40-50 messages a day on each list!

In addition, I already see people posting the same message to multiple lists.  Although the DML moderators seem to have rejected some of those posts.  

If there is an ORGANIZED method of subdividing the lists by subject, I am all for it..  I have always considered starting a list for engine swaps, but realized that we are free to discuss topics like this on the main DML so why bother.

You say the "DML2" is really just for rejected messages, then how about calling it "DML-Rejects"?  Make it clear to a newbie searching for a DeLorean list to know which list(s) to join and why..  I'd hate to have a newcomer JUST join DML2 and think that is all we have to offer.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Greenhaw [mailto:deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:18 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Due to all the recent ramblings about having a new list to post the
> "rejects" and just having a different DML in general, I have decided
> to start a brand new list....The DeLorean Mailing List 2!!



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:41:46 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Re: Re: TO ARMOUR ALL OR NOT?

For leather, I use Saddle Soap. I know some folks that choose to use mink
oil instead.




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:23:24 EDT
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Brake proportioning valve

In a message dated 8/2/02 10:11:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

<< > hydraulic fluid is self adjusting.  >>
<< We are talking about the Delorean right? It has four wheel disk 
brakes....only adjustment that the brakes need are for the parking 
brakes >>.

I think that by 'self adjusting' he means that given equal pressure at the 
source, psi at all 4 calipers will be the same, provided no proportioning 
valves are used. Since the Delorean has a twin piston master cyl, if the bore 
and stroke of the master cyl is the same for both front and rear, the psi 
delivered front and rear would be the same. Right?

If someone wants to check, switch you lines front to rear at the master cyl 
and let me know if the rears lock up first ..:-)
Jim 6147



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:29:30 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Headlamp switch feeling the heatwave also

The DeLorean's switch powers a pair of relays (low and high), so this 
would not apply. Each relay _should_ draw a fraction of an amp (300mA? I 
forget) - suggest replacing the relays before trying a new new switch 
:-)  They are the two relays on the front row next to the fan(s) circuit 
breakers.

Martin
#1458

basfe25 wrote:

>I remember when I had my Jeep the headlight switch on that melted. 
>It was due to poor contacts and me having the brights on for a long 
>time. The brights I guess draw more power...did you have your 
>brights on? Just a guess.
>
>Steve
>





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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:33:38 -0000
From: "dursman" <dursman_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: THE engine

John (and anyone else interested),
Centerforce makes a clutch for the D that is "aftermarket" and I 
think would be up to the 300 hp.  There are two models.  Not to say 
the drivetrain/trans would be able to cope with that much power, but 
I think the clutch could.  Here is a link for the clutch.  
http://www.nopionline.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=dspparts&vL1ID=0&makeid=095&modelid=010&catyear=1982&catid=
0035&pcid=365&vTitle=1982%20DE%20LOREAN%20DMC%2012%
20Clutch/Transmission%20Clutch%20Kit

That link looks a little long... so if it doesn't work just go to 
www.nopionline.com and go through the menues until you get to the 
clutches.  Maybe Centerforce also has a website.  Good luck
-chris-
VIN 10213

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I was just wondering, What clutch system would you put in it to 
hold up to 
> the power. The standard may not work long.
> John Hervey
> http://www.specialtauto.com/
> 
> << I am putting the all aluminum 
>  > 32 valve Northstar engine that produces 300hp stock and weighing 
only 
>  > 50lbs more (give or take few lbs). 
>  > With the 2700lb weight of the Delorean and 300hp engine I will 
expect 
>  > nothing less than at least 0-60 in 6 second flat, if not less! 
Next  >>




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:11:51 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Brake proportioning valve

Chaulk one up for clarity. Apologies. What I meant to say was IMHO
proportioning valves *aren't* necessary on 4 wheel disc, which
obviously includes little silver cars. Lincoln put them on my Mark
V's, but that may have been force of habit (I've bypassed one with no
obvious side effects).

In other words, don't sweat proportioning valves when evaluating
Xreferenced brake hardware.

Bill.

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> We are talking about the Delorean right? It has four wheel disk 
> brakes....only adjustment that the brakes need are for the parking 
> brakes.
> 
> Steve
> 





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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:33:59 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Door Strut Test Results

Door Strut Test Results

The "Open Invitational Door Strut Test" is complete.  Results are now 
available to anyone interested.  Drop me an email at 
twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com, and I'll send you a .pdf file of 
the report.

Thanks go to, in alphabetical order by company, Don Steger of De 
Lorean Motor Center, Steven Winn of DMC Houston, Rob Grady of P. J. 
Grady, and John Hervey of Special T Auto for submitting struts to 
testing.  

The loaners struts will be returned shortly.  All vendors will 
receive a hard copy of the report, with my compliments.

Special thanks goes to Bob Arredondo of New Hampshire Technical 
Institute, who donated the resources of NHTI's Test and Measurement 
Labratory.

Rick Gendreau




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:52:18 -0700
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: PRV V-6 toys & HP

<SNIP> 3 liter PRV V-6 with a nice big turbocharger that makes 500
horses ... John Lane</SNIP>

The author of the above-quoted post is John Lane, of Pacific Rim
Automotive http://www.pacrimauto.com/, in Seattle.  He has done some
work on local cars, including conversions to hybrids of the 3 liter
engines.  No one here has had the $$$$ to go all-out with a High-power
conversion, and even the work he has performed has proven to be quite
expensive - as custom and conversion work often is. 

Gary
www.IN2TIME.com






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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:52:18 -0700
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Introducing the DeLorean Mailing List 2!!

<SNIP> I have decided to start a brand new list </SNIP>

Not ANOTHER one. PLEASE!

The idea of the Rejects List seemed to be just a place to put emails
that didn't qualify for the Real list, not a whole new list with
different moderators.

I sure hope that my fellow DML MEMBERS are concerned about having the
necessary following of interested and vocal List Members, and will stay
with the DML. Even an existing DMC Tech Forum would be better than a
virgin list.

AND - The last thing I want to hear is someone (from another DMC list)
asking the DML if what they heard on the other list is true.

Well - That's my opinion anyway.

If you're tired of hearing me rant about lists, please don't keep
bringing up the topic :-)

Thanks!

Gary
www.IN2TIME.com





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: what kind of turbo?

This brings up an interesting question that one or
more of you may be able to answer.

Every supercharger I have seen blows the forced
induction right through the carb or into the throttle
body.   Many turbo's do the same (the turbo in
question and the Legend engine in Marc's, plus 502). 
Harry Ward who had one of the first aftermarket
turbo'd cars was also a blow-thru.

HOWEVER, the BAE single turbo kit and the Turbo
Manifold Twin kit are "blow-by"; ie, the forced
induction is blown into the intake manifold to
supplement the air pulled into the throttle body.

WHY?

Is there a performance advantage of one approach over
the other?  Or, does it have to do more with available
engine compartment space and/or the ease of hooking up
one system over the other.  

I'd sure like an educated response. 

--- "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com> wrote:
> This is one of the early kits that were offered.  I
> had seen photos of this type of setup before, but it
> is one of the less common ones.
> 
> 

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:57:00 -0400
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Goodyear tires

Well right now my Eagle GT II tires are at 
40/40 the tires say 44 max psi.
Are they up to high?

Mark T

#1366



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