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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1207
Date: Sunday, September 22, 2002 6:37 AM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Painted Factory Cars?
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: A/C Panel light bulbs...
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Re: A Delorean Engineer Passes On
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

4. Re: Older cars as daily transportation
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

5. Dallas Texas
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

6. Delco Alternator swap instructions
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. what is in a turbo motor? you say
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

8. DeLorean "Cruise" - All Ds Invited
From: "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>

9. Painted Factory Cars?
From: "maddog6198_2000" <maddog6198_at_dml_aol.com>

10. Help prevent Propagation of Delorean Myths from BTTF
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

11. BTTF DVD RELEASE
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>

12. Re: what is in a turbo motor? you say
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. DeLorean on Magazine Cover!
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: Painted Factory Cars?
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Re: Help prevent Propagation of Delorean Myths from BTTF
From: "Stephen Clark" <stephen_at_dml_bttf.com>

16. Gas Flap hood
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. R134 blue caps
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

18. Re: Delco Alternator swap instructions
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: Hard start when cold
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:26:43 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Painted Factory Cars?

I can assure you without a doubt that no cars left Ireland painted. Yes, 
indeed they were looking towards doing that and had contracted with DuPont, 
but, I have spoken with ex-shipping agents who were involved with getting the 
car here (I can't release names, sorry), b/c I myself was quite excited about 
the entire deal "wow I have a great collector's item." I know that my car was 
indeed painted at the dealer because I have spoken with them about it, this 
was an obsession of mine. But sadly, there are just no facts to back up any 
painted cars crossing the Atlantic, unless they were sent via a secret 
carrier that didn't enter the usual ports. To the contrary there are several 
facts speaking towards the impossibility. I will concede that there may have 
been work proceeding before the company entered receivership, JZD has stated 
that, but it went no further than that early research and maybe the 
manufacture of the before mentioned tan parts (which were also used to 
produce the gold D's).

       Lastly I will quote John DeLorean from the June 1993 interview when he 
was asked about painted cars. 

 JZD--- "Well, it was our intention to make available (painted cars) and we 
worked with DuPont to develop a series of paints to the dealers. This is a 
very easy car to paint-the panels pop right off, you paint it, run it through 
an oven, bring it back out and you've got the equivalent of a factory job, 
also very easy to repair. So it was our plan to offer through dealers a 
variety of paint colors. Again, that was to be step number two. We had 
completed development work with DuPont but we never got around to starting to 
sell it."

       The way I read this, he states that the paint was to be marketed to 
dealers as a step two process, meaning after the fact. But, apparently, it 
never got to the selling stage. 

John Weaver
ETDOC 
RED DMC #10527


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:53:49 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: A/C Panel light bulbs...

Hank and Group, I have plenty of panel lamps in stock #3898 for $1.35 ea. If 
you will take the time to look the web site over, you might find items you 
wouldn't otherwise find in auto stores. 
John Hervey
A vendor for De Lorean Parts
www.specialTauto.com


<< I searched the DML archives looking for a cross-reference for the A/C panel
 lights, and as suggested in a post several years ago, I tried my local VW
 dealer.   They did not have the part in stock, but had record of it.  They
 said it has a standard bulb number - 3898  >>



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:42:32 -0500
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Re: A Delorean Engineer Passes On

I am deeply saddened to report that Jack Martens, found of Jack Marten's 
and Associates, an automobile engineering design consulting firm passed 
away recently.  

Jack worked with John DeLorean building two air bag equiped DeLoreans 
and crash testing them.  There was a movie made of these two test crashes.

Jack had numerous pictures of the various designs of the DeLorean, 
especially detailing the windows and occupant retention during crashes.

His consulting business has been taken over by his partner Ed.  

Some of Jacks assests have been already sold.   I will be contacting Ed 
to attempt to get the Delorean information to insure that it is not lost.

If I am successful, in getting this information, I will do an article on 
him and his work with Delorean.


BOB :-(




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:52:44 -0500
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Older cars as daily transportation



Mike

the windows for the D have been done for years.  The are really nice and 
dramatically change the character of driving the car.

I am seriously considering changing my stock D to full size windows.  I 
drove it a couple of time this summer and really can not stand to not 
have windows that open fully.  

I hope to fully document this effort and publish it in detail.

Now if I would the lottery so I could retire, then I would do this a lot 
sooner.

BOB :-)




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:30:12 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Dallas Texas

I will be in Dallas Texas for Wed and Thursday night 
are there any Delorean owners who would like to get together 
I am near  Arlington
Lamar Blvd

e-mail me privately if you would like to get together 

Ken




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:02:20 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Delco Alternator swap instructions

Ok all, 

Since I had a lot of requests from people for the instructions I 
figured that I would post it in the files section of the DML. Look 
under Delco Alternator for the Word Document. There are pictures 
along with instructions (and the model of the alternator I used of 
course) in that document.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/Delco%20Alternator%
20swap/

Steve




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:04:14 -0400
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: what is in a turbo motor? you say

Generally speaking turbo motors have pistons with the rings farther away from the face to keep them from the heat. Also, they tend to be lower compresion. Not to mention the cams have different characteristics to make it all work out. And it helps if the pistons and heads are ceramic coated. It just so happens I just bought a PRV motor for a delorean with turbo manifolds on it, because I will be fully building this motor up for proper turbo useage. I will probally put my progress or at least the finished product on my website. This way my car will not have more weicht back there as with an engine swap, but it will fly.

Casey


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:57:49 -0400
From: "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>
Subject: DeLorean "Cruise" - All Ds Invited

DeLoreans In Danbury CT Sept. 28th

A group of DeLorean owners will be exhibiting their Time Machines at Marcus
Dairy on September 28, 2002 starting at 5:00 PM.

Distinguishing features of the DeLorean are its gull-wing doors, stainless
steel body, 3 foot height, and its sleek appearance, among others.

The DeLoreans' fame was boosted when it was featured in the  "Back To The
Future" movie series.  Quoting Professor Emmett Brown when he was asked why
he chose the DeLorean for his time machine, he said: "I wanted to do it with
style!".

All these vehicles have come to the future one day at a time, and all are
expected to continue their journey into the future.  The time travel for
each of these cars has been about 20 years, yet they still look like
something from the future, as anyone who has seen a DeLorean will tell you.

I have met John DeLorean, the originator of the car and he is a very
gracious person.  Will he attend our gathering?  Only time will tell.  Many
DeLorean owners are well versed in all manner of things DeLorean, and will
be happy to answer questions about the car and what they know of the man.

When the evening is over, we and our DeLoreans will go back to the future.
It's just up ahead.  Funny thing about the future, once you get there, it's
the past.

By Bob Hlavacek    VIN 10961


My contact info:

Robert Hlavacek
1081 New Haven Rd.
Box 9J
Naugatuck, CT 06770
203-723-4884 home
203-957-7355 cell
bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net






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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:11:38 -0000
From: "maddog6198_2000" <maddog6198_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Painted Factory Cars?

It is MY understanding (as the myth goes) that 4 or 5 cars were sent 
to DeLorean Cadillac in Cleveland to "test" paint a few cars there.

As I remember, there was one of these "test" cars at the show in 
Cleveland. I don't remember what year it was.... it sticks in my 
mind that it was a maroon color of some sort....  While I do believe 
there were none that left Dunmurry painted, I think DeLorean 
Cadillac scored some R & D $$$ to paint a few cars from Brother JZD.

Just my 2 cents worth...


John Curry
83 D 
15943




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:42:20 -0400
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: Help prevent Propagation of Delorean Myths from BTTF

I recently purchased the DVD version Back to the Future (its available
in England now) In the commentary it says that all Deloreans had 4
cylinder Volvo engines.  Is there anyone on the list that knows anyone
associated with the film?  I know some people were at the Memphis show.
It would be a good idea to get this changed before the American release,
then everyone will insist that my car is supposed to have a 4 cylinder
engine.

I don't want to start a thread discussing this, please e-mail the
parties involved, I just don't want 1,000,000 copies of a movie in the
US that provides people with yet more misinformation on the car

Joe Palatinus
Proud owner of 2 V6 Deloreans 6808 17167





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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:40:14 +1000
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>
Subject: BTTF DVD RELEASE

In previous postings to the mailing list, I mentioned that Universal 
Studios asked for my DeLorean to feature in a publicity event for 
the  release of the BTTF DVD collection in Sydney.   Sadly, the event was 
cancelled due to insurance hiccups and other problems associated with the 
venues where the car was to be displayed.   All out of my control and 
obviously out of the control of Universal.  Annoyingly, I was not advised 
of these issues and still thought my car was required on 25 August.   On 26 
August, I phoned Universal and was advised that the planned week-long 
extravaganza had all be cancelled.   Nice of them to tell me!!

However, on 18 Sep, Foxtel (Fox Studios), on behalf of Universal, used my 
DeLorean briefly to advertise the release of the DVDs.  Two, 10-second 
segments were shot overlooking Sydney Harbour which will be aired tonight 
(22 Sep) at 6:00pm on Channel 16 (also referred to as Channel Vee) in a 
show called 'The Informer'.  This show presents the latest releases in 
movie and audio DVDs.   So, for the Aussie enthusiasts, be sure to watch 
The Informer on Foxtel tonight.

Lance






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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:51:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: what is in a turbo motor? you say

THis is great info, I have been looking into the same
process myself. talking with a few performance
mechanics in my area. When the time comes to rebuild
my motor I will be posting all of it on my website as
well. The one guy I know has done work for NASCAR. He
will more then likely be doing the convertions on the
block for me. probally new cam and pistons and who
knows what else. I am hopeing to really discover and
learn what mods the engine is capable of haveing done
to it. I will definetly pass along any and all info to
the group. This is a few years down the road of
course. I hope to be able to contribute what I learn.
It should be very exciting. One thing I have learned
so far is before you get into a restoration be sure to
DO YOUR HOMEWORK! I've learned alot from the Vixen
site and other site like it.  

Todd
Vin5386
--- "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu> wrote:
> Generally speaking turbo motors have pistons with
> the rings farther away from the face to keep them
> from the heat. Also, they tend to be lower
> compresion. Not to mention the cams have different
> characteristics to make it all work out. And it
> helps if the pistons and heads are ceramic coated.
> It just so happens I just bought a PRV motor for a
> delorean with turbo manifolds on it, because I will
> be fully building this motor up for proper turbo
> useage. I will probally put my progress or at least
> the finished product on my website. This way my car
> will not have more weicht back there as with an
> engine swap, but it will fly.
> 
> Casey
> 
> 
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> removed]
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:54:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean on Magazine Cover!


check this out

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063B79/ref=pd_sr_ec_ir_/102-8967127-6057746?v=glance

Grigor
Greg's DeLorean Site
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:23:06 -0000
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Painted Factory Cars?

Thanks everyone for your facts, as they helped me solve this mystery 
in record time.  See, this is what the DML was created for.  I am 
honored to be a part of this amazing group of people that spans 
acrost the country, and even the entire world.  Although I am really 
sorry to those people in other countries that there are only about 25-
30 right hand drive cars in existance.  Makes it much more special 
over there.  And who says the Americans arnt a bit spoilled.  Anyway, 
getting off the topic. Thanks again for all the replys.  I decided 
not to go with the painted car, and going to definatly choose a 
stainless car, for obvious reasons.  

Now I pose another question, can the Wide Side Stripe be removed 
without damaging the stainless in anyway.  I personaly think they are 
ugly, but everybody has there thing, so I wont critize it.

Thanks again DML, ur the best group of people I know!!

Tommy Porter




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "maddog6198_2000" <maddog6198_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> It is MY understanding (as the myth goes) that 4 or 5 cars were 
sent 
> to DeLorean Cadillac in Cleveland to "test" paint a few cars there.
> 
> As I remember, there was one of these "test" cars at the show in 
> Cleveland. I don't remember what year it was.... it sticks in my 
> mind that it was a maroon color of some sort....  While I do 
believe 
> there were none that left Dunmurry painted, I think DeLorean 
> Cadillac scored some R & D $$$ to paint a few cars from Brother JZD.
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth...
> 
> 
> John Curry
> 83 D 
> 15943




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:01:16 -0000
From: "Stephen Clark" <stephen_at_dml_bttf.com>
Subject: Re: Help prevent Propagation of Delorean Myths from BTTF

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I recently purchased the DVD version Back to the Future (its 
available
> in England now) In the commentary it says that all Deloreans had 4
> cylinder Volvo engines.

The "Animated Anecdotes" trivia track on the DVDs is speaking 
specifically about the seven DeLoreans used in the three films, not 
the other 8,576 cars which were not.  Some heavy modifications were 
made to the cars (obviously) for use in the films.

Stephen Clark
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:07:54 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Gas Flap hood

Thanks all for your responses but the hood is now spoken for.


Steve




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:49:32 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: R134 blue caps

You learn something new every day...

Answering an eMail question for a fellow, put a gauge on my DeLorean's
A/C. Quick connect adapter spit at me when I removed blue cap. And
I've lost freon. Appears cap was pressing slightly on shrader valve
all this time. Is possibile I mixed brands of adapters/blue caps. Have
loosened on all my vehicles to be safe.

Just throwing into knowledge pool in case it'll help someone else...

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:03:30 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delco Alternator swap instructions

Steve, 
I read the article, It's good. But I don't understand why someone would want 
to cut down the alternator mounting bracket, change the lower mounting brace 
and get a rebuilt alternator ( used parts ) when they can get a brand new 110 
amp+ for $179.00 with all New Delco parts and in most locations available 
parts and if everything is OK with the cars wiring and something isn't going 
to short out the regulator and would last another 20 years. Not to omit the ( 
Free ) tech help if something goes wrong. I don't think Pep Boys will 
understand the circuit on the car. If  $68.00 or so exchange and lifetime 
warranty is the best someone can afford for a critical part of the car, then 
maybe and evaluation of whether they should own a DeLorean should be in 
question. ??????. 
Are we that cheap. Whether you buy the alternator from me or any of the other 
Delorean vendors that we support and give free tech help just like myself, 
Rob Grady, DMC Houston ,DMC Joe and DMC California and others, I don't 
understand what's the big deal. 110 amp will get you by if that is all you 
want but if you need more current or you sell the car after the 
modifications, then the next poor soul will have to contend with the 
modification job done on the car. 
We all hear enough about electrical mod's done and other mod's done that next 
one doesn't understand what the last one did. There were no instructions left 
for the next owner.
I just don't understand why we have to be so cheap. Pep Boys and others can't 
support the car.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com 

 

The alternator is a Delco 7939-3i that is from a 90-91 Chevy Lumina with a 
3.1 Litre engine. It is rated to output 105 amps, although the unit I have 
outputs 114 max. Keep in mind that every rebuilt alternator is going to have 
a different max output on the amps. The casing of this alternator is about 
the same size as the Ducellier, but the mounting holes are different. When 
purchasing the Alternator ask the parts guy if he can swap the Serpentine 
belt pulley that comes with the Alternator with a Single belt pulley. 



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:23:52 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Hard start when cold

Start with the cold start system. A bad or plugged up cold start valve 
could cause these symptoms. Make sure there are no vacuum leaks as 
when the engine is cold they are even more noticable. Also check 
ignition timming and advance. Open the distributer and make sure the 
mechanical advance isn't stuck. You could also check fuel pump 
pressure and delivery as if it isn't up to specs you won't have the 
cold start valve working right. Try turning the ignition on and off a 
couple of times before you start it cold. If that helps the problem is 
fuel delivery.
 On many Deloreans as with most older cars after you fix one problem 
you uncover underlying problems. It can take a while to finally get 
all the gremlins out.
The overheating problem could be anything from air still needing to be 
bleed out to a bad fan fail relay, to the origional circuit breakers 
to a bad otterstadt switch. Rule out all of the mechanical problems 
like a fan motor bad or running backwards, pressure test the sytem to 
rule out leaks and then go over the electrical part of it. Little by 
little if you keep at it you can make the car reliable.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "delorean170" <Swoyerzone_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Hi, I own DeLorean DMC-12 VIN 5898, I bought her on July 25th of 
> 2001. Since in my ownership I have had all kinds of problems. 
finally 
> in from mid March to late May the car ran perfect, no problems, then 
> my AC belt froze. After all that was fixed I found my lower pick up 
> hose literally fell apart in my gas tank. Then I began to have cold 
> start problems. Currently I have the fuel distributor being rebuilt 
> by a well known and very highly mechanic of the area in which I 
live. 
> He is very experienced with the bosch K injection, and well the 





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