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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1212
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:42 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: a new one...
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

2. Re: a new one...
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

3. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: Josh Keady <keady_at_dml_wizzards.net>

4. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

5. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

6. AW: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: "Fredvienna" <fredvienna_at_dml_fredvienna.at>

7. Re: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>

8. Re: Downfall of the DMC?
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

9. Re: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Looking for CA personalized plate
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net>

11. Interesting news info on JZD estate...
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Free DeLorean frame
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

13. Re: Alternators ( Informative )
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Radiator pipe mounting bracket
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: Valve Adjustment & the Shop Manual
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Chat room
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

17. Re: Downfall of the DMC?
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

18. Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...)
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

19. John DeLorean Contact Info for DeLorean "Cruise"
From: "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>

20. RE: Interesting news info on JZD estate...
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

21. Paint for wheels
From: Jamie Hamlin <jhamlin_at_dml_avart.net>

22. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

23. Re: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...)
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

24. I tried all the vendors, but no one seems to have this part
From: "delorean170" <Swoyerzone_at_dml_aol.com>

25. WG: Door lock module & Fire
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:20:17 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: a new one...

Maybe he was thinking of James Bond's submersible Lotus....

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan RC30 [mailto:Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:44 PM
To: DMCNews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] a new one...


A gas station attendant said to me today that my DeLorean looks like a
submarine... That's a new one.

---Dan

(PS- no, it's not yellow; it's stainless)


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:02:26 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: a new one...

Maybe it was a (mistaken) reference to James Bond's submarine Lotus
Esprit?

Jim
1537

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:44:03 -1000 "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
writes:
> A gas station attendant said to me today that my DeLorean looks like 
> a 
> submarine... That's a new one.
> 
> ---Dan
> 
> (PS- no, it's not yellow; it's stainless)
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:51:06 -0700
From: Josh Keady <keady_at_dml_wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

I have the feeling this thread is on the way to blocks-ville, but I'll 
throw in something I haven't heard yet... since CD-R media is so cheap 
nowadays, what if someone put together an HTML presentation in a 
Mac/Windows friendly format and handed THOSE out?  It could include 
links to the DML, vendors, and individual sites deemed worthy (up to 
someone, I suppose,) some video and photos of various meets, DMC-12 
statistics, and perhaps most importantly, a good, detailed explanation 
of the events leading up to the creation of the DeLorean car, JZD's 
arrest, trial, and acquittal.

I realize that might be a little spendy to produce, but if a couple of 
vendors could get on board to sponsor, and clubs could be in charge of 
distribution, it seems like it'd be a pretty effective way of getting 
the message across (as long as it didn't get pushed on people like AOL 
CDs or something ;-)  Maybe an attractive (but cheap) paper jacket could 
provide some important facts and a Delorean historical summary, just in 
case the receiver doesn't get around to putting the disc in his/her 
computer.

Just my input, I'd be happy to help in a limited capacity if anyone else 
with the know-how and connections wants to get the ball rolling.

Josh Keady (no VIN but I dig the car)


On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 07:58 PM, Marc A. Levy wrote:

> DMCH had a nice postcard included with our packets from Memphis..  I 
> only got one, so it's not like I can hand them out at shows.  Very nice 
> photo on it too.
>
> Something similar with a pointer to the DML may be nice.  Frankly, 
> unless I am paid to advertise for a vendor, I wont.  :)
>
> <SNIP>
>




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:43:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

Amen! Since I first bought my car, my best friend has always said that I
need a "fact sheet" about the DeLorean to keep in the car. We should
include a quick history of the company "started by former GM exec,
manufactured in ireland, company fell because of 'fill in the blank'". We
should also include facts, such as:
	1. Stainless Steel body
	2. PRV V6 engine
	3. 5 speed manual and 3 speed automatic
And most importantly, a section on JDZ that dispells any drug rumours and
explains what a horrible footnote in history all the rumours are. It's a
damn shame that so many people in the world only know of the name
"DeLorean" as either a Back to the Future car or as "that drug guy". It's
time to set the world straight.

Ken, let me know if any of my design/computer ability can help in this
cause. Guys, let's all pull together and not let anyone see a DeLorean
again without learning the facts.

-Christian

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Montgomery, Ken wrote:

> I recently spent entire day at the California State Fair exhibiting my car.
> I talked myself horse answering the same lame questions over and over again:
> Is that aluminum? How do you keep it clean? How many did they make? (the big
> one:) How much is it worth? Did you find your 'rebate' in the trunk/glove
> box/etc? Isn't he (JZD) still in jail? Is that THE car used in the movie(s)?
> - You all know these.
>
> What I want to make is a large postcard that I and my fellow DeLorean club
> members can hand out that answers most of these questions. I'm sure someone
> out there has already done this. And since I hate to 're-invent the wheel' I
> was wondering if anyone would share their Q/A sheets with me?
>
> Trying to dispel some of the myths..
>
> Ken
>
> =======================================================
> Ken Montgomery	Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/index.htm
> mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
> President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
> http://www.ncdmc.org
> Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
> http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> =======================================================
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:01:30 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

Hi Ken

I found myself in the same position as you so I write one for my 
website, and submitted to our mailing list for approval - so far there 
are no complaints! Please feel free to edit it to suit your purposes, it 
has a "UK-slant" in the content.

It's on this page

www.delorean.co.uk/other.html

Best Wishes

Martin
#1458 & #4426

Montgomery, Ken wrote:

>I recently spent entire day at the California State Fair exhibiting my car.
>I talked myself horse answering the same lame questions over and over again:
>Is that aluminum? How do you keep it clean? How many did they make? (the big
>one:) How much is it worth? Did you find your 'rebate' in the trunk/glove
>box/etc? Isn't he (JZD) still in jail? Is that THE car used in the movie(s)?
>- You all know these.
>
>What I want to make is a large postcard that I and my fellow DeLorean club
>members can hand out that answers most of these questions. I'm sure someone
>out there has already done this. And since I hate to 're-invent the wheel' I
>was wondering if anyone would share their Q/A sheets with me? 
>
>Trying to dispel some of the myths..
>
>Ken
>
>  
>





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:49:04 +0200
From: "Fredvienna" <fredvienna_at_dml_fredvienna.at>
Subject: AW: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

will, i think it would be best to get an airbrush-specialist and have him
painted the FAQ about he car on the hood :)

lol

Fred
vin 7069

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: Montgomery, Ken [mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2002 01:25
An: 'dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com'
Betreff: [DML] Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts


I recently spent entire day at the California State Fair exhibiting my car.
I talked myself horse answering the same lame questions over and over again:
Is that aluminum? How do you keep it clean? How many did they make? (the big
one:) How much is it worth? Did you find your 'rebate' in the trunk/glove
box/etc? Isn't he (JZD) still in jail? Is that THE car used in the movie(s)?
- You all know these.

What I want to make is a large postcard that I and my fellow DeLorean club
members can hand out that answers most of these questions. I'm sure someone
out there has already done this. And since I hate to 're-invent the wheel' I
was wondering if anyone would share their Q/A sheets with me?

Trying to dispel some of the myths..

Ken

=======================================================
Ken Montgomery	Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/index.htm
mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://www.ncdmc.org
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:09:44 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...

James,

Does this mean the low fuel warning light comes on between 2.5 to 3 gallons
of fuel remaining in the tank versus the factory of 1.5 gallons?

Thanks

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232



"the new sender is just $129. The new sender also features an
 extended range low fuel warning - 2.5 to 3 gallons versus the factory 1.5
 gallons, too."








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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:27:29 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Downfall of the DMC?

I will have to agree with Andy on this one. The best thing to do is to read the 
books available. Specificly, I would stick with "De Lorean", "Hard driving", 
"Dream Maker", and "Stainless Steel Illusion"..  These are the best books, and 
to get the full effect, I would reccomend reading them in that order. Once 
you're done, read "De Lorean" over again, and alot of bits and pieces from all 
of the books will click together.

Was there any one thing that took DMC down? No. It was unfortunetly a 
combination of a number of things that caused the demise. When you start 
reading up on the subject, you begin to wonder just how it could have ended. 
While there were a some mistakes made here and there in the form of things 
that either should, or should not have been done, there wasn't a single action 
that caused any sort of a domino effect.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Does anyone know the actuall reasons that DMC ended up
> in bankrupcy? When all is said it seems to me that the
> company did quite well in its short time. Was it just
> that the DeLorean as an automoblibe didn't "fit the
> nitch" at that time in history? sorta to much to soon?
> or was it more related to competeing with the larger
> companys? Would be amazing to suspend reality for one
> instance and imagine where the DeLorean would be today
> given it had continuted production.
> 
> Todd
> Vin5386
> 
> =====
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to, http://www.khpindustries.com/stainlessrestorations.html
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:42:14 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...

Very nicely done.

I do have one question though on anothet part that DMC Houston is re-
producing...the Radio mounting bracket. Why aren't they painted or 
powder coated black? I was going to purchase one until I saw what it 
looked like after another Delorean owner installed it in his car. A 
lot of bare steel showed through and he had to remove it and paint 
it himself. Is that what is required before installing it, to paint 
it?

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., James Espey <james_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> The newly re-designed and manufactured fuel gauge sending units 
(DeLorean
> part number 110555) is now available and shipping. This is a 
simple to
> install unit that plugs in using the existing wiring and drops in 
to replace
> the original tank sender. Those who had pre-ordered the sending 
unit or were
> otherwise backordered for this item should receive it in the next 
week or
> so.
> 
> Available directly from DeLorean Motor Company (Texas) or your 
your favorite
> vendor, the new sender is just $129. The new sender also features 
an
> extended range low fuel warning - 2.5 to 3 gallons versus the 
factory 1.5
> gallons, too. 
> 
> Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
> 
> James Espey
> NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBERS
> DeLorean Motor Company
> 15023 Eddie Drive
> Humble, Texas 77396
> 
> 281/441-2537 Voice
> 281/441-2813 Fax
> 800/USA-DMC1
> http://www.delorean.com




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:55:59 -0700
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Looking for CA personalized plate

If anyone on the DML is the owner of the license plate “STAINLS” in
California, I’d love it if you’d drop me an e-mail.  ryanjm(at)cox.net.

Thanks,

Ryan McCaffrey
#10014


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:59:48 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Interesting news info on JZD estate...

I met a guy tonight who said the following information was in many local 
papers around here (NJ). He said that last week Donald Trump bought JZD's 
old estate from the current owners. He plans on dividing it into 25 seperate 
25 acre estates, with the rest being used as a golf course. The main house 
is to be used as a headquarters. This sounds very much like the plans that 
were already laid out for the estate. Does anyone have any other info on 
this or can someone confirm this?

---Dan
wow... 2 posts in one day... I must be ill or sumptin'...

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:34:59 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Free DeLorean frame

Hello there.

Since I've welded up a new custom frame for my car, I won't be 
needing my original (standard transmission) frame anymore.  It's in 
the driveway, and I'm getting rid of it so I can plow.  I'm offering 
it up for free, unless there are multiple people interested in it.  
Then it will go to the highest offer, just to resolve the 
competition.  I will not solicit bids; I don't care what it goes for, 
as long as it goes.

Also included, attached to the frame are the front and rear 
suspension, hubs, brakes, steering rack, fuel tank including 
pump+sender, transmission linkage(not transmission), various hoses 
and tubes. There are two non-DeLorean wheels installed for rolling 
purposes.  Add two and it can roll around in your shop.  If I deliver 
it, I'll stick casters on it so it can roll.

The frame is pretty rusty in the usual trouble spots.  .  You can see 
a closeup of the worst section at 
http://www.gendreaumicro.com/tenpointtwo/initialstate.htm
The car was rear-ended at one point, but the frame deformation has 
been straightened since then.  The impact was mild, as the fascia 
survived it.
You could restore this frame if you're looking to get a new frame on 
a budget.  
The fuel tank is okay.  The shift linkage is okay.

It all goes as a unit, unless nobody is interested.  If it doesn't 
go, I'm cutting it up and sending it the the recyclers.  I'd hate to 
see that happen.

I can put it on a trailer, and deliver within a 500 mile radius, for 
$2/mile, or you can pick it up, or pay someone else to deliver it.  
Either way is fine.

Rick Gendreau
twinenginedmc12(at)gendreaumicro.com





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:12:41 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Alternators ( Informative )

Steve, Your correct, An alternator or anything on the car  ( Not just the 
Delorean ) can work one day and not work the next. That's the mechanical age 
we live in. My alternators have only been out for less than two years. So far 
I have only heard of  two actually going out and I have sent out almost 75 of 
them and two to Japan. But the main problem I have seen other than UPS 
throwing them around is wiring. The brown / yellow wire ( light Wire ) is the 
one that has to be hooked up to the alternator and a lot of the time the 
brown wire is hood up and it will burn up the regulator in about 30 sec. I'm 
not blaming anyone, and I know it can be overlooked and I haven't said 
anything about mechanics quality, but I can tell you this mechanics have 
wired up more wrong that the individuals because they are un familiar with 
the DeLorean set up and some won't read the instructions. They feel brown or 
hot wire goes to regulator. ( Wrong ). This has happened several times. Some 
of the other problems I hear about is the wiring that has been mutilated in 
the past by others. The wires cut off or break in the wiring loom and so on 
and the dash battery light is out.
I have overnighted parts for local rebuilders to fix, I have told people what 
part to have replaced to get them back on the road the same day. I also test 
them and run an endurance test on them to see how much the current / voltage 
drop will be if you think they arn't putting out enough. 
I feel De Lorean vendors go to a little more extreme to bring a higher 
quality product to the De Lorean market. 
Yes, It's not bullet proof, but if you see what I see and hear going into the 
boxes at your local auto stores you would not be surprised why they have a 
20% faluier rate.
Mechanics don't build them and the assembly people are not to blame,  it's 
the way mangement of the rebuilders suppling the auto stores are told to 
recycle used parts. Did you know that a rebuilder get's 100% write off credit 
from the taxes if you return a rebuilt alternator or starter. Something to 
think about.
You may now see why I'm a little more passionate about a very critical part 
of our car. 
John
      

<< Case in point I have heard numerous accounts of NEW 
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:18:37 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Radiator pipe mounting bracket

The clamps that hold the coolant pipes are called Bundy clamps and 
there was a piece of rubber in the clamp origionaly to keep the clamp 
from rubbing a hole into the pipe. Just go to an auto parts store and 
get a sheet of thin rubber (or a plumbing supply) cut it up into 
strips and wrap it around the pipe under the clamp.
 The pipe on the left with the otterstadt switch has the clamp behind 
the switch and the switch pointed down.
 The bleeder screw is in the thermostat housing at the top of the 
"coolant pump" just to the left of where the right hose connects. It 
is under a piece of the throttle spool bracket. It looks like the 
bleeder nipple on the brakes with a hole in the middle. If the hoses 
are origional they should all be replaced, same for the belts, idler 
pulley bearings, seals and gaskets.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "James La Londe" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_e...> wrote:
>  On both sides of the engine bay there are metal brakets attached to 
the sides that hold the metal tubing that runs on an angle up to the 
radiator hose into (and out from) the engine. Both of these appear to 





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:27:59 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment & the Shop Manual

I just completed a tune-up on a "D" and I found after 30,000 only 3 
valves needed adjustment and it was very minor. The valves don't 
change all that much. If you need a lot of adjustment to quiet a noisy 
valve I think you will find bigger problems. BTW I find the procedure 
in the manual hard to follow so I just make sure when adjusting a 
valve that the mate in the cylinder I am working on is open, that way 
I can be sure the one I am adjusting is closed. That ticking might not 
be a valve. When you get the valve cover off look for signs of past 
overheating, coked up oil, sludge etc. Check oil pressure and do a 
compression test to check the health of the engine. Mechanical 
problems with the motor are rare but if the engine was abused 
(overheated or run with low or never changed oil) all bets are off.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> I have decided to check and adjust my rocker arm clearances, since I 
> have this loud rocker ticking. (no, it is not an exhaust leak at the 
> gaskets...that was checked)
> 
> I grab my trusty shop manual and open to section C:05:02 and :03, 
> figures 26 and 27 where Method One is laid out clearly. I 
interpreted 
> the instructions in the chart as: position cylinder 1 so that Intake 
> and exhaust rocker arms are "on the rock" or on the peaks, then 





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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:22:56 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Chat room

Here's something new that I thought could be tried. I was noticing that 
the AIM entries seemed old and the yahoo group for the once a month chat 
doesnt exist any more. I decided to start an irc chat room on efnet. The 
idea being a central place that delorean owners can hang out and chat 
while also having a place for live Q&A. Below is info about the irc 
channel and how to get to it. Contact me if you have any questions.

IRC Network: EFNet
Channel: #delorean

mIRC (www.mirc.com) is a common windows irc client and has efnet listed 
in it's list of servers (any of the efnet servers should work). My 
nickname is Lightning. I'm always in the channel but I do sleep so if 
you do come in and I dont say hi or reply, message me (double click my 
nickname) and i'll get the message later when i'm around.

Samuel




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:04:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Downfall of the DMC?

Hi Todd,
The company went under basically because the British
government,who pretty much owned the manufacturing
part of the company,pulled the plug on it and refused
to give JZD any more money.A new conservative
government came into power in the early eighties and
were far less likely to keep throwing money at DMC.
Also the timing was bad.There was a recession in the
states in the early 80s so people weren't about to buy
sports cars.
Also the initial build quality of the cars was
poor,resulting in bad publicity for the car.They were
also quite expensive compared to other sports cars of
the time.
But I too often wonder what the car would be like
today if they still made them. When I see a new
Porsche drive past me and I think a "new" DeLorean
would be comparable to it in terms of performance and
comfort.
Andrew
#2883
Sydney
--- Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know the actuall reasons that DMC ended
> up
> in bankrupcy? When all is said it seems to me that
> the
> company did quite well in its short time. Was it
> just
> that the DeLorean as an automoblibe didn't "fit the
> nitch" at that time in history? sorta to much to
> soon?
> or was it more related to competeing with the larger
> companys? Would be amazing to suspend reality for
> one
> instance and imagine where the DeLorean would be
> today
> given it had continuted production.
> 
> Todd
> Vin5386
> 
> =====
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> Vin5386 point your browser to,
>
http://www.khpindustries.com/stainlessrestorations.html
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:13:04 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...)

> I do have one question though on anothet part that 
> DMC Humble is reproducing...the Radio mounting bracket.
> Why aren't they painted or  powder coated black? 

I'd like to know this too. When I did my installation allmost
2 years ago I cut up my existing bracket to take my
DIN-sized head unit. Hacking this up was quite some
work and not something I'd really like to do myself.

Two weeks ago I installed a new radio into a car of a 
fellow Dutch owner as a favor; I had experience ;-)
He had bought a reproduction, but had to paint it himself
too. When we started installing it we also found that
it would rattle considerably; the poprivets were not
tight enough so I had to tighten them...
The originals are spot welded.

Over all the bracket is quite OK, but for $125,- I would 
have expected the front bit to at least be black.
The fit of all the holes and such was perfect,
allthough we had to elongate the DIN-slot about 3mm
to get the sleeve for mthe radio to fit properly.

The guy I did the installation for would have left the front
bare Aluminium if his radio had been like that too.
Unfortunately it had a black front panel...

Cheers,

Jan van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:20:50 -0400
From: "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>
Subject: John DeLorean Contact Info for DeLorean "Cruise"

Dear DMLers,

I'd like to get JZD's email  or phone # to invite him to the DeLorean "Cruise" in Danbury CT on Sept. 28th, as below.

I know it's a 20-1 shot, but I believe he now lives in NYC, which is just a 1 hour drive from Danbury.

If you have info , you could also just forward this email to him, or call him.  Please let me know if you do.  

Thank you list!

Bob 10961
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> DeLoreans In Danbury CT Sept. 28th
> 
> A group of DeLorean owners will be exhibiting their Time Machines at Marcus
> Dairy on September 28, 2002 starting at 5:00 PM.
> 
> Distinguishing features of the DeLorean are its gull-wing doors, stainless
> steel body, 3 foot height, and its sleek appearance, among others.
> 
> The DeLoreans' fame was boosted when it was featured in the  "Back To The
> Future" movie series.  Quoting Professor Emmett Brown when he was asked why
> he chose the DeLorean for his time machine, he said: "I wanted to do it with
> style!".
> 
> All these vehicles have come to the future one day at a time, and all are
> expected to continue their journey into the future.  The time travel for
> each of these cars has been about 20 years, yet they still look like
> something from the future, as anyone who has seen a DeLorean will tell you.
> 
> I have met John DeLorean, the originator of the car and he is a very
> gracious person.  Will he attend our gathering?  Only time will tell.  Many
> DeLorean owners are well versed in all manner of things DeLorean, and will
> be happy to answer questions about the car and what they know of the man.
> 
> When the evening is over, we and our DeLoreans will go back to the future.
> It's just up ahead.  Funny thing about the future, once you get there, it's
> the past.
> 
> By Bob Hlavacek    VIN 10961
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> 
> My contact info:
> 
> Robert Hlavacek
> 1081 New Haven Rd.
> Box 9J
> Naugatuck, CT 06770
> 203-723-4884 home
> 203-957-7355 cell
> bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net
> 
> 



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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:57:54 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Interesting news info on JZD estate...

I spoke to the caretaker (Ed).  He confirmed that there are a number of people looking to buy the property, and Donald Trump is one of them.  No sale has been done yet.

We are still welcome on October 19 for the DeLorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Tour.

See: www.deloreanmidatlantic.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan RC30 [mailto:Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:00 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Interesting news info on JZD estate...
> 
> 
> I met a guy tonight who said the following information was in 
> many local 
> papers around here (NJ). He said that last week Donald Trump 
> bought JZD's 
> old estate from the current owners. He plans on dividing it 
> into 25 seperate 
> 25 acre estates, with the rest being used as a golf course. 
> The main house 
> is to be used as a headquarters. This sounds very much like 
> the plans that 
> were already laid out for the estate. Does anyone have any 
> other info on 
> this or can someone confirm this?



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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:02:47 -0400
From: Jamie Hamlin <jhamlin_at_dml_avart.net>
Subject: Paint for wheels

Hello all,

This weekend I striped the paint off my wheels and was thinking of
having
them polished but after stripping them I found allot of imperfections so
I'm
now thinking of just repainting them. Does anyone know the exact paint
color and number, I would like to go with something close to original
(maybe a little brighter) and base coat clear coat.....

Thanks
Jamie Hamlin
Miami Fl.
Vin# 002606




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:19:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Josh Keady wrote:

> I have the feeling this thread is on the way to blocks-ville, but I'll
> throw in something I haven't heard yet... since CD-R media is so cheap
> nowadays, what if someone put together an HTML presentation in a
> Mac/Windows friendly format and handed THOSE out?

This is a good idea.  If someone puts something like this together, keep
it under 50 megs, so it can fit on the wallet-sized business card cdrs.
Those are a lot easier to give to people, and the odd shape and size make
them far more likely to be interested in the contents.

Also, if it's designed using standards, like html with inline jpgs and
perhaps some pdfs, it'll be friendly to more than just Windows and Mac
users.

-andrew
 #4115 (currently in need of a better cooling system)
 Houston TX




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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:37:59 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...)

In a message dated 9/24/02 1:33:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl 
writes:

<< Over all the bracket is quite OK, but for $125,- I would 
 have expected the front bit to at least be black.
 The fit of all the holes and such was perfect,
 allthough we had to elongate the DIN-slot about 3mm
 to get the sleeve for mthe radio to fit properly. >>

Thats about how much I had to file on my DMC Houston bracket too when I did 
my radio swap back in February.  I also noticed that the hole thats cut out 
for the a/c fan switch isn't cut right for some reason, and it makes the fan 
switch sit on an angle because the bottom part of the switch doesn't fit in 
the hole, its too large.  Maybe thats just on my radio bracket?

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:37:34 -0000
From: "delorean170" <Swoyerzone_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: I tried all the vendors, but no one seems to have this part

Would anyone have for sale, or know how to laocate part #110501 part 
of a grey door trim, its on the left driver door, its sit right 
behind the window, and connects to the headliner. 
Thanks Darryl
5898






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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:22:40 +0200
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: WG: Door lock module & Fire

Hi Fred,

I haven't seen one of those Fanzilla modules so far, but I bet it isn't
worth what we have to pay for it with shiping, tax and this bad Euro.
(Though it may be worth it when you earn dollars instead of this stupid
Euro...)

Just give me some time, right now I have to make the plans for the door lock
module and the
schematic for the automatic governor readable.

But so far I can tell you - replace the transistors by some darlington types
like BD679 and the 1k basis resistors by 10k ones and you're done.
Like I said - 15 minutes and a beer, that's it.
I'll make a better description of it in the next days and it will be posted
here.


Elvis & 6548..inside because we had snow today !!!!! Can somebody rent me a
nice and cheap apartment in San Diego near the beach ?




hi elvis,

the modification you described sounds interesting to me. i never
disassembled the modules, but i will do it in the winter season. my
electronic knowledge is very good and if you could send me the wiring and
specs of the required parts i could modify them.
by the way, do you have a wiring of the fanzilla module? the price is very
high for this little gadget and i think it will e also no problem building
one if i could get the proper schematics.

thanks,

Fred
vin 7069

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Elvis Nocita [mailto:elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de]
Gesendet: Montag, 23. September 2002 22:08
An: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Betreff: AW: [DML] Door lock module & Fire


Hi folks,

you're right, I repaired about 10 Door lock modules and each of them had
worn and burned relay contacts. And the relays are also the reason why the
selenoids burn and therfore the power door lock system fails.
If you wanna do something good for your car and its battery, simply replace
4 parts of the module and the current consumption during standby is lowered
about more than 90% !!!! During stanby the module draws 13mA just to check
the switch inside the door if the selenoids shall be activated or not. New
sytems in cars are developed to draw less than some few micro amps during
standby, that's about 1/1000 what that door lock module draws !
Anyone who knows a little about electronics can do this modification which
is invisible from outside. Send me an email if you're interested, I will get
you the plans in a (not only by me) readable version. The parts cost less
than one dollar and it takes 15 minutes with getting the beer from the
fridge to replace everything.
I also developed a simple solution to protect the selenoids from burning
when the relay contacts stick together. After 5 seconds this little tiny
item reduces the current from about 10Amps to some hundred mA ! You will
only recognize that the relais stick when youre doors don't lock anymore.
But then your selenoid still are ok, while without that part you will have
to replace the windings inside the selenoids. By the way, a boring job.


Drop me a line if interested

Elvis & 6548


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:dherv10_at_dml_aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 23. September 2002 06:00
An: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [DML] Door lock module & Fire


If a door lock module is over fused which most are, then rebuilt,
remanufactured or new can cause a fire. If I repair one, I replace the 2
relay's in the black box and replace the diodes and check for any other
component failure.
DeLorean owners buy relay kits for the car, but very seldom does anyone ever
mention the two relay's in the door lock module. They are normally the worst
and none ever gets replaced because you can see them. So, yes if your over
fused and never replaced the relays you stand a chance as Steve say's of
causing a fire.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


<< What
 about your "rebuild" of the door lock module? That is a critical
 part since that part can cause a FIRE if done improperly >>


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