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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1213
Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:25 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Radio Bracket reproduction
From: Christopher Randazzo <car_at_dml_delorean.com>

2. RE: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

3. RE: Interesting news info on JZD estate...
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

4. Re: Paint for wheels
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...)
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

6. Re: I tried all the vendors, but no one seems to have this part
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

7. Delorean shippers handbook.
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>

8. Air Inlet Valve vs. outside airflow restriction
From: "stupadazzo2002" <mopar2me_at_dml_swbell.net>

9. TankZilla vs New DMC Houston Fuel Sender
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

10. New Front Lower Control Arms!
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

11. Re: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units....
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

12. Is thid someones car or from the movie?
From: Joe Bachmann <joe.bachmann_at_dml_newmail.net>

13. I have to make a comment here, if I know you read this please
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Filler Neck Breaking HAZARD
From: "stupadazzo2002" <mopar2me_at_dml_swbell.net>

15. Re: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

16. Re: Air Inlet Valve vs. outside airflow restriction
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Valve Adjustment & the Shop Manual
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Randazzo <car_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction

I recently purchased the bracket from Houston and was also disappointed that it was not painted.  I did buy some textured paint as well as a can of semi-gloss black paint and applied it to the bracket and I think mine came out better than the original!

On the subject of radios...

What's the best way to mount a CD changer in the little storage area behind the driver's seat (not the shelf)?  Just drill the mounting screws through the fiberglass floor (ouch)?

Thanks!

Chris
'83 Delorean 


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>Message: 18
>   Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:13:04 -0000
>   From: "Jan van de Wouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
>Subject: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units.=
>..)
>
>> I do have one question though on anothet part that=20
>> DMC Humble is reproducing...the Radio mounting bracket.
>> Why aren't they painted or  powder coated black?=20
>
>I'd like to know this too. When I did my installation allmost
>2 years ago I cut up my existing bracket to take my
>DIN-sized head unit. Hacking this up was quite some
>work and not something I'd really like to do myself.
>
>Two weeks ago I installed a new radio into a car of a=20
>fellow Dutch owner as a favor; I had experience ;-)
>He had bought a reproduction, but had to paint it himself
>too. When we started installing it we also found that
>it would rattle considerably; the poprivets were not
>tight enough so I had to tighten them...
>The originals are spot welded.
>
>Over all the bracket is quite OK, but for $125,- I would=20
>have expected the front bit to at least be black.
>The fit of all the holes and such was perfect,
>allthough we had to elongate the DIN-slot about 3mm
>to get the sleeve for mthe radio to fit properly.
>
>The guy I did the installation for would have left the front
>bare Aluminium if his radio had been like that too.
>Unfortunately it had a black front panel...
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jan van de Wouw
>Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
>Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
>
>#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:38:55 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

Kewl idea!

There are CD-R discs that are the size of a business card that can hold
128mb of data on them.  I wouldn't mind collaborating with some people
on this is someone was interested in putting it together!

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Keady [mailto:keady_at_dml_wizzards.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:51 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts


I have the feeling this thread is on the way to blocks-ville, but I'll 
throw in something I haven't heard yet... since CD-R media is so cheap 
nowadays, what if someone put together an HTML presentation in a 
Mac/Windows friendly format and handed THOSE out?  It could include 
links to the DML, vendors, and individual sites deemed worthy (up to 
someone, I suppose,) some video and photos of various meets, DMC-12 
statistics, and perhaps most importantly, a good, detailed explanation 
of the events leading up to the creation of the DeLorean car, JZD's 
arrest, trial, and acquittal.

I realize that might be a little spendy to produce, but if a couple of 
vendors could get on board to sponsor, and clubs could be in charge of 
distribution, it seems like it'd be a pretty effective way of getting 
the message across (as long as it didn't get pushed on people like AOL 
CDs or something ;-)  Maybe an attractive (but cheap) paper jacket could

provide some important facts and a Delorean historical summary, just in 
case the receiver doesn't get around to putting the disc in his/her 
computer.

Just my input, I'd be happy to help in a limited capacity if anyone else

with the know-how and connections wants to get the ball rolling.

Josh Keady (no VIN but I dig the car)


On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 07:58 PM, Marc A. Levy wrote:

> DMCH had a nice postcard included with our packets from Memphis..  I
> only got one, so it's not like I can hand them out at shows.  Very
nice 
> photo on it too.
>
> Something similar with a pointer to the DML may be nice.  Frankly,
> unless I am paid to advertise for a vendor, I wont.  :)
>
> <SNIP>
>



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:40:42 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Interesting news info on JZD estate...

I heard this also last Friday while attending a wedding in the NJ
Area....seems to have been in some local papers, but nothing I can
confirm as of yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan RC30 [mailto:Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:00 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Interesting news info on JZD estate...


I met a guy tonight who said the following information was in many local

papers around here (NJ). He said that last week Donald Trump bought
JZD's 
old estate from the current owners. He plans on dividing it into 25
seperate 
25 acre estates, with the rest being used as a golf course. The main
house 
is to be used as a headquarters. This sounds very much like the plans
that 
were already laid out for the estate. Does anyone have any other info on

this or can someone confirm this?

---Dan
wow... 2 posts in one day... I must be ill or sumptin'...

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:02:32 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Paint for wheels

I don't know what the original paint color was but I want to suggest 
that you powder coat them. Powder coating them will be more durable 
then paint and will not chip or crack as easily as paint would.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jamie Hamlin <jhamlin_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> This weekend I striped the paint off my wheels and was thinking of
> having
> them polished but after stripping them I found allot of 
imperfections so
> I'm
> now thinking of just repainting them. Does anyone know the exact 
paint
> color and number, I would like to go with something close to 
original
> (maybe a little brighter) and base coat clear coat.....
> 
> Thanks
> Jamie Hamlin
> Miami Fl.
> Vin# 002606




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:46:32 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...)

I will make sure when I see James at the NEC in November that he goes home with at least
one can of Black Hammerite "hammered finish" paint. It did a superb job of painting my
new bracket - and James will be able to see it for himself as my car's going on the stand
at the show. I now have a Kenwood MP3 unit mounted and everything's as tight as I could
want - I'm surprised you had problems.

Here's the paint

http://www.hammerite.com/dFinity/hammerite/1QJiclojbdh7jimedcanhlcokjalfjNemchkechkdbNjdfajhJipOclehikmhf8pigAmolfSaoclpaihnadle.html

Martin
#1458 & #4426

Jan van de Wouw wrote:

> Two weeks ago I installed a new radio into a car of a
> fellow Dutch owner as a favor; I had experience ;-)
> He had bought a reproduction, but had to paint it himself
> too. When we started installing it we also found that
> it would rattle considerably; the poprivets were not
> tight enough so I had to tighten them...
> The originals are spot welded.
>
> Over all the bracket is quite OK, but for $125,- I would
> have expected the front bit to at least be black.




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:53:57 EDT
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: I tried all the vendors, but no one seems to have this part

One option may be to buy a black one and dye it grey...Several DML members 
have mentioned how easy it is to dye interior parts and how nice they look...

Mike C


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:01:07 -0500
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>
Subject: Delorean shippers handbook.

At one time a shippers handbook was up for auction on ebay.  I didn't get
it.  I would sure like to be able to read the contents.  Maybe someone could
scan one and post it to be downloadable or at least readable.

Thanks,  Jerry.




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:00:39 -0000
From: "stupadazzo2002" <mopar2me_at_dml_swbell.net>
Subject: Air Inlet Valve vs. outside airflow restriction

In the ongoing pursuit to get better performance I've been measureing 
the air inlet volume vs engine requirements at specified RPMs in an 
effort to sqeeze even an infantesimal amount of extra hoursepower out 
of my stock engine. 

In doing so I'm asking about the Air Inlet Valve and it's air flow 
characteristics. It doesn't take a math equation to see that it's 
crossectional flow is not equal to the rest of the inlet hose system. 
It's a restriction even in a full open state. 

Has anyone addressed this part before and is there anything we can do 
to increase it's flow outside of replacing it? Is there a larger 
replacement somewhere? What do you do with this part on the Stage II 
engines?

Part two: How is this thing calibrated? I notice there is a 
functioning adjustment lock nut at the base of the sensor.

Chris
(DML lurker since '96)
#3876




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:00:58 +0200
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: TankZilla vs New DMC Houston Fuel Sender

Hi,
I'd like to know the differences between the TankZilla and the new DMC Houston Fuel Sender.
I currently have TankZilla, yet I feel it is still not accurate the way I would like it. Is DMC Houston's better?
Convince me either way! ;-)

And on a related subject - when will the Zilla Door Launchers be ready? 
AFAIK, they should have hit the market this summer. What is causing the delay?
I'm also looking forward to the new doorlights switch solution from Zilla!

Best wishes :)

Stian Birkeland
Norway

DeLorean VIN # 06759

Web: http://home.online.no/~stianfb/




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:04:09 +0200
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: New Front Lower Control Arms!

http://www.pearce-design.com/ProductFrontLowerControl.html

Keep 'em coming Bryan!

Best wishes :)

Stian Birkeland
Norway

DeLorean VIN # 06759

Web: http://home.online.no/~stianfb/




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:05:39 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Radio Bracket reproduction (was: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units....

To solve the problem of the bracket not being painted, I had my radio bracket 
powdercoated in a black wrinkle that really came out great and was as close 
to original looking I ever saw.

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:23:39 -0500
From: Joe Bachmann <joe.bachmann_at_dml_newmail.net>
Subject: Is thid someones car or from the movie?

It's been quite some time since I've seen BTTF. Is this someones car or one from the
movie?

http://www.technologyvault.co.uk/

JB




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: I have to make a comment here, if I know you read this please

Hi Everyone,

My DeLorean anniversiery is coming up, it will be 2
years on thanksgiving day that I decided to persue the
stainless dream but more important that I discovered
the DML. Before that I always thought owning a "D" was
some insane dream of mine. but here almost 2 years
later I have my baby sitting in my little tiny garage
and I have to just go out there every so offten to
reasure myself I'm not dreaming. I dont know maybe
it's just me but the DeLorean has always symbolized
one thing to me. Style! From the minute the dorrs open
to people look at the stainless extieror there are
jaws droping everyware. BTTF did nothing for me as far
as the DeLorean. I can remember when I was small and I
saw a magizine with the DeLorean on the cover. God
help me if I knew what that magazine was today. But
none the less it did something to me inside and I've
longed to be part of the legacy. Where does this all
lead up to you might ask? Well it leads up to to
several people on this list that need to be
acnowledged. First to Rich Weissensel everyone knows
him as the owner and savior of "D Rex" but to me hes
probally the formost person I admire in the DeLorean
comunity. Rich is to me as most see JZD himself. Rich
made my dream come true when nobody else would.
Frankly Rich enabled me to live one of my life long
dreams. Rich has helped me in payments, transport,
advice and everything else. If there one person I
believe deserve a Lifetime DeLorean achivment award
that would be Rich. THen theres Fred Geerdink you
braved the mountains of PA and heavens knows what else
to bring 5386 home to me. With out Fred I might still
be sitting here pondering how I would be getting my
dream home. Fred documented my trip took pics sent me
a CD gave me advice. THen there Erik Geerdink who has
had an interest in my project from  day 1. He is
always checking up on my site asking me how Im doing
sending me really cool info. And Dave who helped me
get my engine out when I was at wits end. And Ryan for
takeing time out to send me info on the twin turbo
setup. Everyone has contributed a little bit to my
dream. When I look at the car I just dont see a
DeLorean but all the friends I've made and all the
good times I'm gonna have in the near future. The
DeLorean is a great car but the people who kepp,
preseve and maintain the dream are so much more
important. Just a public Thank you ever so much to
everyone. I might not be listed everyone here but you
have all given me an insight into the stainless dream.
I hope I can see everyone at a car show one day so I
can express myself in more detail. I just believe that
all these great people should be recognized. Your all
above and beyond the Legacy. You are the Legacy.

Todd
Vin5386

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:14:35 -0000
From: "stupadazzo2002" <mopar2me_at_dml_swbell.net>
Subject: Filler Neck Breaking HAZARD

The filler neck at the top opening is made out of three different 
pieces (poorly) tack welded together.  Recently the venturi "style" 
piece with the little flapper door in it broke off of mine and fell 
down into the tank.

This part breaks, obviously, from bearing the entire weight of the 
gas pump nozzle and hose when fueling.  As we all know the pump 
nozzle sits straight up when fueling and the filler neck has to bear 
the weight.

In leu of spending $55+ dollars from the specialty shops for this 
tiny part I decided to re-weld it myself with the mig.  It's NOT an 
easy part to weld and requires delicate grinding when finished to 
look good but it was worth it to me.

I've posted photos of the job in the FILES section of the DML yahoo 
groups entitled: DeLorean - Filler Neck Components.doc

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/DeLorean%20-%20Filler%
20neck%20Components.doc

Chris
#3876




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:59:18 EDT
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: New Fuel Gauge Sending Units...

Who has the new units for sale?



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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:45:58 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Inlet Valve vs. outside airflow restriction

Chris, I took the heater valve off my car last year and replaced it with just 
a 3" heater tube from the bottom of the air intake to the rear pontoon. 
Picture on the web site. Your right there won't be much to any HP gain but 
it's quicker response. Now that it's getting cooler, it will be better. 
Coupled that to Casey's air box and I have added more volume to the breather. 
My next step is to find a deal on K & N filters. 
Experiment, with this,  while everything is hooked up like factory, go to the 
back of the engine and when you race up the engine, watch the restriction 
suck down the cover. Not enough air. When it won't suck down I think I will 
have reached the best way. 
Intrusted in what ever you do.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com    

<< In the ongoing pursuit to get better performance I've been measuring 
 the air inlet volume vs engine requirements at specified RPMs in an 
 effort to squeeze even an infinitesimal amount of extra horsepower out 
 of my stock engine. 
 
 In doing so I'm asking about the Air Inlet Valve and it's air flow 
 characteristics. It doesn't take a math equation to see that it's 
 correctional flow is not equal to the rest of the inlet hose system. 
 It's a restriction even in a full open state. 
 
 Has anyone addressed this part before and is there anything we can do 
 to increase it's flow outside of replacing it? Is there a larger 
 replacement somewhere? What do you do with this part on the Stage II 
 engines?
 
 Part two: How is this thing calibrated? I notice there is a 
 functioning adjustment lock nut at the base of the sensor.
  >>



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 02:03:57 -0000
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment & the Shop Manual

Thanks Dave,

I've now actually begun the adjustment. The engine is in surprising 
ly great shape inside. Clean,- actually shiney- no signs of sludge or 
overheating, no signs of valve stem or cam wear. (But then this car 
only has 20K on it!) 

As you said, I did only find two valves (on the one bank I have 
completed so far) that needed adjustment - but WOW, what a 
difference! The rocker noise has diminished a lot. I still have one 
bank to go.

I decided to just adjust (or check) each valve at it's low spot (or 
exactly opposite the peak, and only follow the manual with regard to 
the clearance measurement.

As a sanity check, I took a compression reading of each cylinder 
before I started, and am comparing that reading - to one taken after 
I finish. - This will at least tell me that I have not "over 
adjusted". (this, combined with accurately measured clearances).

So far, I'm pleased with my results.  And I'm hard to please! :-)

Eric
Dunedin, FL



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I just completed a tune-up on a "D" and I found after 30,000 only 3 
> valves needed adjustment and it was very minor. The valves don't 
> change all that much. If you need a lot of adjustment to quiet a 
noisy 
> valve I think you will find bigger problems. BTW I find the 
procedure 
> in the manual hard to follow so I just make sure when adjusting a 
> valve that the mate in the cylinder I am working on is open, that 
way 
> I can be sure the one I am adjusting is closed. That ticking might 
not 
> be a valve. When you get the valve cover off look for signs of past 
> overheating, coked up oil, sludge etc. Check oil pressure and do a 
> compression test to check the health of the engine. Mechanical 
> problems with the motor are rare but if the engine was abused 
> (overheated or run with low or never changed oil) all bets are off.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> > I have decided to check and adjust my rocker arm clearances, 
since I 
> > have this loud rocker ticking. (no, it is not an exhaust leak at 
the 
> > gaskets...that was checked)
> > 
> > I grab my trusty shop manual and open to section C:05:02 and :03, 
> > figures 26 and 27 where Method One is laid out clearly. I 
> interpreted 
> > the instructions in the chart as: position cylinder 1 so that 
Intake 
> > and exhaust rocker arms are "on the rock" or on the peaks, then




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