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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1216
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:21 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Problem with Lockzilla
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: (Probably no) Problem with Lockzilla
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

3. Re: Fall Tour Hotel Reservations
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. RE: Re: Paint for wheels (go with powder-coating)
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

5. RE: wheels - powder coat, paint, chrome
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

6. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>

7. Re: Re: Parking my Delorean on a Hill
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>

8. Side Accent Stripes
From: "James La Londe" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

9. Custom Wheels.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

11. NJ Fall Tour Hotel Reservations
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

12. Radio Presets
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

13. Re: Currentdrain (was: Problem with Lockzilla)
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

14. Re: Currentdrain (was: Problem with Lockzilla)
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

15. Re: Problem with Lockzilla
From: "Aaron Crocco" <slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Problem with Lockzilla
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

17. DeLorean Commercial?
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

18. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

19. Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts (fact sheet)
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

20. Re: Parking my Delorean on a Hill
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

21. Fw: #1209, Travis, and things
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

22. 2002 Eurofest
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

23. Re: AutoFest Car Show - Evansville
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

24. Re: Problem with Lockzilla
From: "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

25. Re: Problem with Lockzilla
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:54:27 -0000
From: "basfe25" <dmcman73_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with Lockzilla

hmmm...now that you bring that up...

I have Lockzilla installed in my D (no remotes) and I noticed that 
after I fully charge my battery with a battery charger....let it sit 
for a week or two (without starting) then find out later when I go 
to start it the battery would be dead or too weak to turn the engine 
over. I thought that maybe the battery was a defective one and I 
would just replace it later after I finished restoring my car. I 
think I'll disconnect lockzilla and fully charge my battery 
again...wait a week or two and see if the problem goes away.

Steve 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> 
> With the prodding of Rick G, I've been able to locate the current 
drain in
> my car (Don't worry, I'm still going to install the battery 
isolator).  It
> turns out to be Lockzilla pulling about 30Ma with the "remote" 
unit plugged
> in, and 20ma without.  The total current draw from the battery 
when the car
> is off was 30Ma until I totally disconnected Lockzilla - then I 
get a zero
> Ma reading on my meter.
> 
> Apparently, this drains the battery down about one volt per week - 
enough to
> cause the auto-shut off to kick in, which was my original problem.
> 
> Has anyone else noticed a slight current drain with Lockzilla 
(with or
> without Remote), or could I have a defective unit?
> 
> -Hank Eskin #1619




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:49:22 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Re: (Probably no) Problem with Lockzilla

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> 
> With the prodding of Rick G, I've been able to locate the current 
drain in
> my car (Don't worry, I'm still going to install the battery 
isolator).  It
> turns out to be Lockzilla pulling about 30Ma with the "remote" unit 
plugged
> in, and 20ma without.  The total current draw from the battery when 
the car
> is off was 30Ma until I totally disconnected Lockzilla - then I get 
a zero
> Ma reading on my meter.
> 
> Apparently, this drains the battery down about one volt per week - 
enough to
> cause the auto-shut off to kick in, which was my original problem.
> 
> Has anyone else noticed a slight current drain with Lockzilla (with 
or
> without Remote), or could I have a defective unit?
> 
> -Hank Eskin #1619

Hi Hank, and All.

I've been taking a active behind the scene interest in Hank's project 
here.  He's been wanting to design a battery backup for his car 
radio, which was losing presets due to a current drain.  I've been 
helping him design the battery backup circuit, cause I can't help 
myself, all the while pestering him incessantly to find the leak 
instead, because that sort of thing makes me nervous.  Now that he's 
found the leak, determined it's only 30 milliamperes, and more 
importantly determined that the leak is not the result of some fault 
in the wiring somewhere, the next step is clearer.  I don't know 
whether the 30 milliampere drain from the Lockzilla module is from 
some kind of problem, because I don't have one, so you'll have to 
take someone elses word on that.  It may be fine, or not.  But 30 
milliamperes is a very small current, compared to the reserve 
capacity of a car battery.  It should not drain the battery in a 
week, it should take several months.  This immediately suggests a 
weak battery.  I hopped on Sears website to find out the reserve 
capacity of the Security Diehard battery in your car.  It wasn't 
there.  I called our local Sears automotive and was told that this 
battery has been discontinued, because of problems (maybe this exact 
problem, he didn't say), and that you could take it back to the Sears 
you got it from for an exchange.

Hopefully replacing the battery will fix everything.  Hank's car 
radio will keep its presets, he can sleep better knowing there's no 
mysterious failure in his car, and the doubt about Lockzilla can be 
removed by someone without a stake in it. (Unless I'm wrong, of 
course :-)

Rick Gendreau
11472




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:55:26 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Fall Tour Hotel Reservations

I called a few other people that I know are going and they all 
received the same letter and reconfirmed their reservations. Westin is 
honoring the rates also. At this time 12 of the reserved 15 rooms are 
spoken for. One of the people said they were able to book a room for 
$79. You might want to give it a try, I will tonite.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I just recieved a letter from the Marriot Hotel. It has been sold 
and 
> everyone will need to reconfirm their reservations. If you don't get 
> the letter you will still need to call to the hotel directly _at_dml_ 
> 609-452-7900 or Westin _at_dml_ 1-800-Westin1. It appears that Marriot sold 
> 




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:43:24 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Paint for wheels (go with powder-coating)

While at Memphis in June, I saw one D with fully chromed wheels...no
paint....they were just STRIKING.  Wonder if that person is on here?

Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:14:35 -0700
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: wheels - powder coat, paint, chrome

Check out the chrome stock wheels on my car - top photo at  www.delorean-parts.com .  They have been on it for 7 or 8 years now with no problems whatsoever, and are totally maintenance free.  Cost as I recall was around $130 per wheel, but the place that did them won't do any more.  Most large chrome shops can do them.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
www.delorean-parts.com



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:43:33 -0400
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

>
> I have the feeling this thread is on the way to blocks-ville, but I'll
> throw in something I haven't heard yet... since CD-R media is so cheap
> nowadays, what if someone put together an HTML presentation in a
> Mac/Windows friendly format and handed THOSE out?  It could include
> links to the DML, vendors, and individual sites deemed worthy (up to
> someone, I suppose,) some video and photos of various meets, DMC-12
> statistics, and perhaps most importantly, a good, detailed explanation
> of the events leading up to the creation of the DeLorean car, JZD's
> arrest, trial, and acquittal.
>


> Kewl idea!
>
> There are CD-R discs that are the size of a business card that can hold
> 128mb of data on them.  I wouldn't mind collaborating with some people
> on this is someone was interested in putting it together!
>
How would we like this to be marketed and/or distributed?  Free?  Handouts?
Purchased on the net?  Just curious, because for the past several weeks I
have been toying with the idea of creating a short promotional video on the
car to the song "Where the streets have no name" from U2.  It would be
geared to an audience unfamiliar with the car and its current supporters and
organizations in this day in age.  Kind of a ballsy and forward "We're gonna
change your mind and view of this" sort of thing.  It would include video
segments and stills from, but not limited to DMCH, PJ Grady, DeLorean Motor
Center, D1, Zillas place, Special T Auto, the DML, footage of the car being
driven, being starred at when fuelling, interviews with enthusiasts' and
every day Joe's perseptions, you get the idea.  Hearing about an interactive
CD made me think that this could be a great intro for what they are about to
learn.  However, there is a copy write issue with the music I had in mind.
If the disk is given away, can it be done?  What are the laws on something
like this?  I like it because of the long intro, the build up, upbeat tempo,
and overall length, but laws just might not make it possible.  And on a side
note, I lack the equipment currently to handle all this video and editing
(editing, now that's time consuming).  Would it be a while before we
accumulate all the hard info for the disk to begin with?  Send all comments
and thoughts to the
DML or me at mike_at_dml_ninja.net.   This could be great!

-Mike A.





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:55:29 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Parking my Delorean on a Hill

Just a thought, but what about turning your wheels into the curb so the car
can't roll downhill.  That is, if you have a curb.  ; - )

Mike Atkinson
16232








The PRV engines we use in australia have a comp ratio of 8.65:1 and
in manual form will sit on a hill in gear without any trouble
it does depend alot on your gear ratio's though
does the D have a high 1st gear ?

Subject: AW: [DML] Re: Parking my Delorean on a Hill


hi,

i used to park my car (not the delorean, another one but this is not the
point) sometimes in a high grade driveway. the parkingbrake was weak and so
i used to carry a wooden wedge in my car and put it during parking under the
front wheel. it?s not the "good looking" method, but a safe one.

greetings, Fred VIN 7069

[MODERATOR'S DISCLAIMER: I suggest that if your parking break is not holding
well that the approrpiate course of action would be to fix the parking
brake.] Betreff: [DML] Re: Parking my Delorean on a Hill


The PRV is a low compression engine. Doesn't take much of an incline to
rotate it in gear. Have you tightened your parking brake cables? Is really
easy (and mine were 9/16 English!). They do stretch with time.

Bill Robertson #5939

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., billsfanmd_at_dml_a... wrote: Just a quick question about
parking a 5-speed on a hill. Our driveway has a medium  grade and sometimes
if I dont have room in the garage I will park it for a few hours or a day on
the driveway. I have always driven
5-speeds and whenever I park on any hill I keep the car in gear AND use the
parking brake. My question is it seems like when I put my D in gear with the
car off it does not engage and would roll backwards. SO it seems the onl
ything holding my car in place is the parking brake. Is this correct? Does
the Delorean 5-speed not engage when parked? My honda accord would stay put
on the side of a mountain if the car was parked and in gear......

As far as I know my transmission and clutch are fine.....

Mike C Baltimore
2109





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:31:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James La Londe" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Side Accent Stripes


list,

Ok I've seen the normal ol' DMC-12 rubstrips. And My car has reproduction wide dealer-option-style side stripes, and i've seen a version with a thinner side strip down by the rubstip. But two cars on ebay right now have another accent-stripe up by the buttom window line that seems to have something written below the (nonfunctional) side vents. Why have i never seen this!? I've had the car for 11 months and been an avid reader on the car, yet this the first time I've seen this. does anyone have some pics of this line up close and some nice-quality ones from a few angles they can email me. (or just reference your web site)

thanks!!!

and just for the record at this moment in time (well... when i was driving) only the speedo and defogger switch are not working!! (that's good)

-James La Londe
1981 Delorean DMC-12 
vin#001697 
LicPlate DMC XII
1998 Kawasaki Vulcan 800
1992 Ford Probe GT

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:18:54 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Custom Wheels.

Does anyone know if the wheels from a Lotus S1 Esprit will fit on the 
DeLorean? I've seen pictures of D's with these both in SSI, and the 
video documentary. Getting tires shouldn't be a problem, but making 
sure that the wheels fit is the concern. If nessisary, I couls always 
change tire size to compensate for wheels to keep the factory specs.

These wheels though are the ones that look the best. And they 
specificly have front and rear shapes to match how the rear wheels 
bow into the center just like the stock wheels.

Thanks in advance!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:50:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

I figured this thread would have been shut down by now or died off, but it
looks like there's still interest. I think that this thread started off
with a definate goal in mind. That goal is to educate the public of the
DeLorean FACTS - whenever a DeLorean is encountered. Now the trick is that
the public won't want to be educated and will do anything to avoid it. :)
They'd much rather say something clever about a flux capacitor, jigawatts,
or cocaine to show us how funny they are. So... how to best educate?

I think a CD or a video would be really fun to make and it would be a neat
thing to have. Perhaps even a friendly challenge between the different
DeLorean clubs to come up with the most entertaining, informative
giveaway. However, how many people on the street happen to have a computer
or a VCR with them? Keep in mind the goal is to educate the uninterested.
Therefore, I suggest the low-tech approach of good old fashioned paper. :)

Another thing to remember is that the average guy on the street only has a
mild (at best) interest in the DeLorean. Hitting him with even 1 full page
of facts might be too much. I think 3"x5" or 4"x6" inch, double sided
cards are the right way to go. It's small, easy to pocket, and you can
quickly and easily point out where it says "V6" or "Not in jail" or "your
flux capacitor joke wasn't funny", all without the aid of high-tech
equipment. :) Asking someone to take a CD and promise to go home and trust
us enough to put the CD into their computer to read up on DeLoreans is
quite a strech. Asking someone to watch a music video is also a strech.

To get things moving in the right direction, I'll whip up a few different
designs and run it by my NCDMC group, as well as the DML to gauge overall
interest in becoming a DML "Card Carrier", and to gather input on design
and content.

-Christian

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Mike Aninger wrote:

> >
> > I have the feeling this thread is on the way to blocks-ville, but I'll
> > throw in something I haven't heard yet... since CD-R media is so cheap
> > nowadays, what if someone put together an HTML presentation in a
> > Mac/Windows friendly format and handed THOSE out?  It could include
> > links to the DML, vendors, and individual sites deemed worthy (up to
> > someone, I suppose,) some video and photos of various meets, DMC-12
> > statistics, and perhaps most importantly, a good, detailed explanation
> > of the events leading up to the creation of the DeLorean car, JZD's
> > arrest, trial, and acquittal.
> >
>
>
> > Kewl idea!
> >
> > There are CD-R discs that are the size of a business card that can hold
> > 128mb of data on them.  I wouldn't mind collaborating with some people
> > on this is someone was interested in putting it together!
> >
> How would we like this to be marketed and/or distributed?  Free?  Handouts?
> Purchased on the net?  Just curious, because for the past several weeks I
> have been toying with the idea of creating a short promotional video on the
> car to the song "Where the streets have no name" from U2.  It would be
> geared to an audience unfamiliar with the car and its current supporters and
> organizations in this day in age.  Kind of a ballsy and forward "We're gonna
> change your mind and view of this" sort of thing.  It would include video
> segments and stills from, but not limited to DMCH, PJ Grady, DeLorean Motor
> Center, D1, Zillas place, Special T Auto, the DML, footage of the car being
> driven, being starred at when fuelling, interviews with enthusiasts' and
> every day Joe's perseptions, you get the idea.  Hearing about an interactive
> CD made me think that this could be a great intro for what they are about to
> learn.  However, there is a copy write issue with the music I had in mind.
> If the disk is given away, can it be done?  What are the laws on something
> like this?  I like it because of the long intro, the build up, upbeat tempo,
> and overall length, but laws just might not make it possible.  And on a side
> note, I lack the equipment currently to handle all this video and editing
> (editing, now that's time consuming).  Would it be a while before we
> accumulate all the hard info for the disk to begin with?  Send all comments
> and thoughts to the
> DML or me at mike_at_dml_ninja.net.   This could be great!
>
> -Mike A.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:58:51 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: NJ Fall Tour Hotel Reservations

Dave, (Copy to DML):

I'd really appreciate if you addressed these issues directly to me before posting to the DML and confusing people.

1.  As I said before, I have a agreement with the hotel for our group and the rate will be honored.  I was told before hand that Marriott sold to Westin, and was assured there would be no problems.

2.  The 15 rooms I had held do not limit us to 15 rooms.  It simply guarantees that we will have 15 rooms available to us.  If we need more, they will give us more (if available).  However, the reduced price is only valid if you reserve BEFORE 9/30 (this coming Monday).

3.  Others have reported booking rooms at "the Princeton Marriott" for $79.  THIS IS NOT THE HOTEL WE ARE STAYING AT.  Your welcome to stay at this hotel, it is about 5 miles from the one we are reserved at.  201 Village Blvd.  I have checked on a number of reports of $79 rate, and they were all booked at the wrong hotel.  If you stay at the other hotel, you do not get breakfast which is included with our rate of $105.

I am not a expert at planning things like this, and was just trying to help Mike out.  If you (or anyone) would like to take over the duties of logistics for the event, your welcome to it.. Otherwise, please just show up and enjoy yourself.  Your efforts to "help" have been counter productive.

Thanks,
Marc


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jtrealtywebspannet [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Fall Tour Hotel Reservations
> 
> 
> I called a few other people that I know are going and they all 
> received the same letter and reconfirmed their reservations. 
> Westin is 
> honoring the rates also. At this time 12 of the reserved 15 rooms are 
> spoken for. One of the people said they were able to book a room for 
> $79. You might want to give it a try, I will tonite.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757

> 



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:08:49 -0700
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: Radio Presets

This is in response to the recent Battery/Radio thread. 

The Craig radio has an un-switched source for the pre-sets - Right?  I'm
not so sure about the ASI.

If you have a battery cut-off of any kind, you should be able to bypass
the cut-off with a small-gage, fused wire to the un-switched source feed
to the radio.  This would retain the pre-sets with negligible current
drain.  If you were to also leave the stock un-switched wire hooked up,
your new wire would try to back-feed the whole car, so the stock wire
would have to be removed from it's source (or a diode added).

Can anyone provide more details on this, like wire colors for the
un-switched source, and an easy location to get at the wire?  A lot of
people with battery cut-off switched could benefit.

Gary
www.IN2TIME.com





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:26:06 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Currentdrain (was: Problem with Lockzilla)

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:10:23, "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> With the prodding of Rick G, I've been able to locate the current drain
[snip]
> It turns out to be Lockzilla pulling about 30Ma with the "remote" unit
> plugged in, and 20ma without.

As LockZilla has to monitor the switches on the doors, SOME currentdraw
should be allowed. Although I DO think 30mA is a bit much.
Better let Bob Zilla answer this one; he's the expert on his products...

> The total current draw from the battery when the car is off was 30Ma
> until I totally disconnected Lockzilla - then I get a zero Ma reading
> on my meter.

Does this mean you have NO clock or radio installed? Those should draw
some power too for keeping time and keeping the stations.
Don't know how much, but the mechanical clock on my Escort draws 5mA,
a digital one like our cars have will probably be less with the display off.

> Has anyone else noticed a slight current drain with Lockzilla
> (with or without Remote), or could I have a defective unit?

I have LockZilla on my car, an alarmsystem and a stereo and NO battery
switch. I have had to leave my car sitting for as much as 5 weeks
without any problems due to drain, just ahd a bit of trouble when I had
a faulty doorswitch causing my alarm to trip several times a day,
draining the battery by blinking the indicators all around for 3 minutes
per alarm cycle...

As I said, the LockZilla will draw SOME current, but as I don't know
how much is allowed, I'd contact Bob Zilla directly.

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:27:04 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Currentdrain (was: Problem with Lockzilla)

On 26-09-2002 21:32, Hank Eskin wrote:

>> Does this mean you have NO clock or radio installed? Those should draw
> 
> Yes, I removed the clock, and the radio was disconnected during my tests.
> There should be zero current drain at that point, as far as I know.

If that's the case you're probalby right on suspecting the LockZilla...
on a 65Ah battery, 30ma (0.03A) would take in completely out in about
2166 hours, but yours shuts off at about 10V, so that would take 1/6th
of the time, being 361 hours or 15 days...

It looks like it's close to nothing, but when you do the math...

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:41:56 -0400
From: "Aaron Crocco" <slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with Lockzilla

Hank,

  You should call Rob Grady about this.  He should know the unit inside out.
Also, if it is defective, there should be no problem with getting a
replacement.

-Aaron Crocco

NY Plate: OUTATYM



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:42:57 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Problem with Lockzilla

Hank, your battery might be duff

the batt I have in mine is a 55Ah. with a drain of 30mA, it will be completely flat in 76
days.... - that's more than two months!

I have an alarm/remote locking/remote starter on my car and it stays armed for weeks and
the car still starts fine

Best Wishes

Martin
#1458 & #4426

Hank Eskin wrote:

> With the prodding of Rick G, I've been able to locate the current drain in
> my car (Don't worry, I'm still going to install the battery isolator).  It
> turns out to be Lockzilla pulling about 30Ma with the "remote" unit plugged
> in, and 20ma without.  The total current draw from the battery when the car
> is off was 30Ma until I totally disconnected Lockzilla - then I get a zero
> Ma reading on my meter.




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:04:36 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: DeLorean Commercial?

The thread about a DeLorean information video has brought an old idea back into my head.
Would anyone be interested in creating a DeLorean commercial?

The idea is to create a digital commercial to help people selling used DeLoreans market
their cars.  It would be pure propoganda, and so given away for free.  Anyone who had a
DeLorean listed for sale somewhere on the Internet could embed the commercial in their
advertisement.

I'm imagining a 30 second MPEG or Quicktime movie.  It would present DeLoreans as being
fun cars.  It would make no promises about the condition or performance of any particular
DeLorean, it would only show that the car is glamorous and exciting.

Can anyone think of a downside?

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:21:15 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts

> 
> Another thing to remember is that the average guy on the street 
only has a
> mild (at best) interest in the DeLorean. Hitting him with even 1 
full page
> of facts might be too much. I think 3"x5" or 4"x6" inch, double 
sided
> cards are the right way to go. It's small, easy to pocket, and you 
can
> quickly and easily point out where it says "V6" or "Not in jail" 
or "your
> flux capacitor joke wasn't funny", all without the aid of high-tech
> equipment. :) Asking someone to take a CD and promise to go home 
and trust
> us enough to put the CD into their computer to read up on DeLoreans 
is
> quite a strech. Asking someone to watch a music video is also a 
strech.


If he or she is any kind of car nut(like me)they would more than be 
happy to take a cd-r and watch it,expecially since it would be a 
freebie,combine the two(paper and cd-r) and you have  a item that 
most people would add to their collection,also be aware that if a 
property rights, is not included in the Cd-r,that it would (or could) 
become a Ebay auction item. 

Claude
000570 





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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:33:39 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Myths/DeLorean facts (fact sheet)

Ken and List,

Not sure why we have not heard from Michael Babb on this topic,
but he created a Delorean specification sheet early last year.

Check under "Files" in the DML Vault.  Michael Babb has a simple
tri-fold Delorean information sheet under the folder "tri-fold".
It does not contain answers to the jail, drugs and BTTF questions,
but it does contain all of the basic Delorean specification info.

It's a good starting place to get an idea of how to custom make
your own info sheet, or just print it and use it as is for now.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I recently spent entire day at the California State Fair exhibiting 
my car.
> I talked myself horse answering the same lame questions over and 
over again:
> Is that aluminum? How do you keep it clean? How many did they make? 
(the big
> one:) How much is it worth? Did you find your 'rebate' in the 
trunk/glove
> box/etc? Isn't he (JZD) still in jail? Is that THE car used in the 
movie(s)?
> - You all know these.
> 
> What I want to make is a large postcard that I and my fellow 
DeLorean club
> members can hand out that answers most of these questions. I'm sure 
someone
> out there has already done this. And since I hate to 're-invent the 
wheel' I
> was wondering if anyone would share their Q/A sheets with me? 
> 
> Trying to dispel some of the myths..
> 
> Ken
> 
> =======================================================
> Ken Montgomery	Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/index.htm
> mailto:kenm_at_dml_c...
> President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
> http://www.ncdmc.org
> Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
> http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_d...
> =======================================================




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:55:55 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Parking my Delorean on a Hill

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Just a thought, but what about turning your wheels into the curb so 
the car
> can't roll downhill.  That is, if you have a curb.  ; - )
> 
> Mike Atkinson
> 16232





Mike,
It doesn't matter if there is a curb or not if the wheels are 
turned,it will hopelly prevent the car from rolling down into on 
coming traffic or into your neighbors property,across the street,or 
if the incline is going into your living area into your house.
 Also remember when you park your Delorean on a incline overnight,(or 
anytime)that MOST of your oil in the oil pan is AWAY from your pickup 
tube/screen in your oil pan,so that when you start your car you MAY 
possibly NOT HAVE any oil or low oil pressure/lube depending on the 
incline of your driveway.My suggestion is to either put the car in 
netural and roll it down to a level area and then start it,or if you 
have the side area(s) by your driveway to park your Delorean 
sideways,with the nose of the car towards the driveway.The nice thing 
about parking it sideways is that people driving by get a nice view 
of your Delorean as they drive by.(depending on your driveway)

Claude
000570   





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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:41:37 -0400
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: Fw: #1209, Travis, and things


 Subject: #1209, Travis, and things

 Travis has enhanced the mystery of imagination by showing us step by
 step, the construction of the "power plant" used in his version of the
 futuristic BTTF DeLorean. As with all of us who are owners of this car,
what we do
 with it , be it restore or customize, or a touch of each, shows the labour
of
 love we share. He has the unique capability to explain and show in
 detail, things that some of us cannot imagine. I was amazed to watch the
start
 and final presentation. I hope the next phase will be as interesting.

This is stuff Delorean World or DW or "D1 Publication" should pay for
and publish. Who give a ..... for a travel brochure in a specialty auto
 publication.Face facts: they have run out of  "pure" things to write about
relating
to the original DeLorean, and the "reason d'etre" of its editor, purist Ed
Burnstein.
 Just my humble thoughts.
  Marv
 # 17707
 marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com






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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:04:52 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: 2002 Eurofest

Eurofest is coming October 18. Let's have another good showing for the
DeLorean!

http://www.euroautofestival.com





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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:36:12 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: AutoFest Car Show - Evansville

D Rex Update:

The Evansville Autofest will be the debut of many new options on the
D Rex that I did not have time to complete before the Memphis Show.
The new options include some awesome (hidden) Blue Neon lights for
the underside of the vehicle, the addition of the Stealth Lighting
Systems diamond shaped driving lights, with a 7 light light-bar on the
roof, and, last but not least, the onboard driver assist cameras.

At least the two color cameras (front and rear) will be ready to go,
and if there is time, the "quarter view cams" and "crush cams" will
be in place as well.  Eric Weber has been tirelessly assisting with
the electronic and lighting upgrades over the past week, so thanks
again Eric.  There will not be time to get a custom new sound system
in place for this show, but Eric has big plans in that department.

One more prototype option may debut as well - Eric's BTTF style door
opening sound effects device.  We'll see if it's ready in time.

See you at the show.

Later,
Rich W.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., wingd2_at_dml_a... wrote:
>   Just a reminder - the AutoFest / My Classic Car car show in 
Evansville 
> Indiana is next weekend, Sept 28 -29th - Currently it looks like 
we're going 
> to have 15 plus Deloreans making the trip plus the famous D-REX will 
be in 
> attendance. Anyone interested in attending is more then welcome to 
join in on 
> the fun. 
>   For more information check out - www.midstatedmc.com - in the 
events 
> section or e-mail me directly.
> 
>    Hope to see you there,  Marty Maier
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:54:44 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with Lockzilla

> the batt I have in mine is a 55Ah. with a drain of 30mA, it will be
completely flat in 76
> days.... - that's more than two months!

Ok folks, I'm only going to repeat this one more time! The problem isn't the
battery DRAINING until it is DEAD - the Sears "Security" Diehard battery has
INTERNAL an auto-shut off that triggers when the voltage drops a couple of
volts - saving enough energy to start the car when I return.  Therefore, the
current drain can be enough to trigger the shut off (I think it's 10.5
volts).

-Hank




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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:56:25 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Problem with Lockzilla

I would have the battery load tested. It is true 30 ma. is a 
significant drain but if your battery is old it doesn't have the full 
capacity of a new one. If it is more than 4 years old it is probably 
at about 1/2 capacity. Sears will load test for free and since you 
have a Sears there might be some trade-in. Another problem with a lot 
of Deloreans is that they just aren't used a whole lot so the battery 
never really gets fully charged up. Being in a constant state of 
discharge causes the battery to go bad faster. Especially storing for 
the winter and letting it go dead. Lead-acid batteries don't live long 
with these kind of cycles.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hank, your battery might be duff
> 
> the batt I have in mine is a 55Ah. with a drain of 30mA, it will be 
completely flat in 76
> days.... - that's more than two months!
> 
> I have an alarm/remote locking/remote starter on my car and it stays 
armed for weeks and
> the car still starts fine
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> Martin
> #1458 & #4426
> 
> Hank Eskin wrote:
> 
> > With the prodding of Rick G, I've been able to locate the current 
drain in
> > my car (Don't worry, I'm still going to install the battery 
isolator).  It
> > turns out to be Lockzilla pulling about 30Ma with the "remote" 
unit plugged
> > in, and 20ma without.  The total current draw from the battery 
when the car
> > is off was 30Ma until I totally disconnected Lockzilla - then I 
get a zero
> > Ma reading on my meter.




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