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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1219
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:00 AM

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Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: Downfall of the DMC?
From: "Brian McCool" <>

2. Re: Downfall of the DMC?
From: Robert Greenhaw <>

3. Downfall of DMC thread, opinion vs referencable information
From: "ksgrimsr" <>

4. Re: Italdesign D with saddle interior
From: "therealdmcvegas" <>

5. Re: Problem with Lockzilla
From: "Elvis Nocita" <>

6. Gold DMC interior
From: "dmc_delorean_2000" <>

7. dmc houston open house
From: id <>

8. steering wheels for sale?
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <>

9. Momo hub info from Swedish club president!?
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <>

10. some help here guys
From: "spaceace3113" <>

11. New Owner - a few questions
From: "saalexander2000" <>

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:01:36 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <>
Subject: RE: Re: Downfall of the DMC?

I agree on this point also. The conservative party that came to power in
England at this time wasn't as cooperative as the Labour party that approved
the original loan package to JZD. Whenever public funds are given to a
private company, the private company usually becomes a political football.
Same thing happened with Bricklin, and even to Chrysler. (The billion dollar
loan guarantee from the Carter administration wasn't looked on favorably by
the Reagan administration).

-----Original Message-----
From: jtrealtywebspannet []
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:07 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Downfall of the DMC?

IMHO although there were mistakes made by the management of DMC and
market forces were against them the single biggest misstep was the
change in political parties and control of the British Government.
They were no longer sympathetic to DMC and not only did they not help
when DMC got into trouble they "helped it along faster downward" by
insisting DMC hire all of the people it had promised it would (which
caused production to increase) and then withheld loan payments which
DMC would have used for operating capital. The proof of how badly the
Government turned against DMC is that they forced the company into
bankrupcy, sold it for a pittance (they could have made some deal with
someone to keep the most modern auto plant in the world active) and
then scrapped the dies that could have been worth something to
someone. The government was more interested in burying a relic of the
previous administration and blaming them for all of the losses. DMC
was caught in the middle of a fierce poitical battle and was a
casualty along with the hopes of peace in Northern Ireland for 15
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> If I had to narrow it down to one specific event that brought the
> down, I would say it was the decision in November of 1981 to double
> production of cars from 40 a day to 80 a day. The country went into
> recession and had a very bad winter about a month after this, which
> every car manufacturer negatively, especially DMC. JZD did this
partly to
> make the company look more impressive right before a planned public
> of the company's stock that ended up being canceled. By doubling

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:02:49 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <>
Subject: Re: Downfall of the DMC?

Hi Everyone,

I must agree with David...there is too many factors against
the British government that they could have changed.

Let me explain:
  First, we must remember...the DeLorean Manufacturing Company
was a brand new plant.  The actual DeLorean *Motor* Company
did not begin operating until sometime in 1980.  
True, Parliament had thrown millions of pounds into the project, but 
everyone knows that a company needs five years to produce a profit.
Given that, Parliament could have loaned small amounts at a time...just
enough to keep things running smoothly.  Chunk it up.  

They could have also helped by not demanding all workers to be hired at

And when DMC went into receivership--several months before John
wrongful arrest--they could have stepped in and watched over things until
ball was rolling again.

They could have sold the facility to another manufacturer...everything
was already
set up....just reconfigure to your car.  Lotus or someone else may have
been elated!

But anyway, as I digress, there are several factors on behalf of the
government that could have been changed to make things run more
given things weren't so heated with political debate back then.

It's late, I'm tired, my thoughts have become mush.  I'm going to bed

Later Dayz,
Robert G. 

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:02:40 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <>
Subject: Downfall of DMC thread, opinion vs referencable information

The DMC downfall thread seems to blur the line between personal 
opinion and hard data/fact. Further messages on the topic are 
expected to include facts/data that can clearly be distinguished from 
opinion & conjecture.

   Knut (moderator this week)


Message: 4
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:38:56 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <>
Subject: Re: Italdesign D with saddle interior

The only unique prototype drawings of any DeLorean that I've ever seen are 
ones to try and incorporate a rear passenger seat. The car in the background 
is not a DeLorean prototype, but another car from Ital Design called the 
"Medusa". The only source that ties this car to the DeLorean I've found is the 
book, "Stainless Steel Illusion". It mentions that a four-door DeLorean was in 
the works, and then cites a picture of the Medusa to try and show what it 
would have looked like. But the Medusa is not a prototype car created for 

vin 6585 "X"

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> On a side note, the car in the back ground looks like the sketch 
> drawing of the future 4 door delorean.
> erik


Message: 5
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:38:56 +0200
From: "Elvis Nocita" <>
Subject: Re: Problem with Lockzilla

Like I said some days ago, the Door Lock Module drains 13mA during standby.
And that's not zero ! You don't even need to measure it, just take a look at
the schematic and
use the formula invented by Mr. Ohm.
I modified about 10 modules, and never had to replace the caps so far !
The relays need to be replaced because the contacts are always worn.
That's due to the fact, that the power for the relays only comes from the
While they are discharged (relays close contact) the voltage of the caps
and also the current in the coil. The force of the relay depends of I*n
(I=current, N=number of windings). Now when the force drops slowly (and
that's how the module is designed to do), the contacts burn a little bit
everytime they have to open the circuit. In some cases the contacts may
stick together like being welded. That's exactly when you need new selenoids
afterwards. I talked to a friend who works for Marquardt (they make any kind
of switches, also the electronic keys for Mercedes) and he said reducing the
force slowly is the worst thing you can do for a contact.

Normaly these modules should all be replaced but this wouldn't be original
anymore. Instead replace the relays and the system will be ok for some more

Elvis & 6548

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martin Gutkowski []
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2002 17:11
Betreff: Re: [DML] Re: Problem with Lockzilla

In theory, zero, in practice it'd be a tiny amount because no components
are perfect. Mainly because of the capacitors used to fire the relays -
no capacitor has a perfectly infinite DC resistance, and after 20 years
can be less than desirable. This is why I replace the capacitors on all
modules I rebuild.

#1458 & #4426

Joe Bachmann wrote:

>How much is drawn with a stock unit? I imagine it is a very small amount,
if any.

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:19:37 -0000
From: "dmc_delorean_2000" <>
Subject: Gold DMC interior

hi all
I know I've cause some trouble here in the past, but Im a changed man 
and Im just an amature DeLorean owner looking for advice. 

I really like The saddle brown (i belive its called) interior used on 
one of the Gold DeLoreans. I would like to make my interior look like 
that but Im not sure how to go about it. I could simply die the 
entire interior but im not sure how long it would last. My interior 
is black any i know you shouldnt put light on top of dark. also a 
concern is that normal wear will cause the dye to flake off or simply 
rub off after dried. the only other option i could realy think of 
would be to go to a leather shop and have the whole interior recoved, 
But that sounds very expensive and may lack quality or factory 
stiching pathern. any body have any suggestions on this awkward 
requst. any info would be greatly appriciated
Tony Izzo
Vin#2467 (under construction)


Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:48:54 -0500
From: id <>
Subject: dmc houston open house

i was wondering if there was any info on the next dmc houston open house available. if
there is any info available could someone send the info to me or post it on the dmc news



Message: 8
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:56:46 -0400
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <>
Subject: steering wheels for sale?

Does anyone have a delorean steering wheel that they would like to sell? ANY
CONDITION is fine.

Casey at  go bucks!


Message: 9
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:49:40 -0400
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <>
Subject: Momo hub info from Swedish club president!?

I once talked to the Delorean Club of Sweden president who has a Momo steering wheel on his car. He said a 1976 Rover SD1 hub will fit. However I never got a part number from him and Momo makes hubs for both Range and Land Rovers. If anyone knows this guy's e-mail we should try to contact him to get more information, as a lot of Delorean owners would like to answer this question.

Casey at 

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:22:40 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <>
Subject: some help here guys

im presently looking into purchasing an 81, its 100% stock with 855 
miles, supposedly its been started twice a month to circulate fluids 
etc... my question is this...the owner states that the only things 
wrong to his knowledge(this is his aging fathers car) are that the 
passenger window fell off track or the window regulator is bad and 
the blower motor doesnt work....are these things indicative of the 
car being used or is it possible they just went bad from 
inactivity?? the way i talkeed the seller down to 20 from the 
22 he originally wanted....i tried to push 18gs but he wouldnt hear 
of it.....thanx in advance


Message: 11
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:43:01 -0000
From: "saalexander2000" <>
Subject: New Owner - a few questions


I bought my DeLorean 3 months ago and am really pleased with it so 
far.  I've already taken it on a 2000 mile trip to the South of France 
and also 1000 miles around Scotland!  I've just got a few questions 
for the list - hope you don't mind!

The car has black seats and dashboard with grey carpet.  I've never 
seen any pics of cars with this combination.  Do you think the carpet 
is non-original or maybe it's because it's quite a late car (Aug '82) 
and they were using up what was left?

I want to upgrade the sound system but am having trouble finding rear 
speakers (10 x 4 I think?).  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Also 
is it worth buying the replacement console to take modern stereos or 
does cutting the original work ok?

The windscreen washers don't work and I can't find the tubing from the 
pump to the wiper - is there an easy way to get where it's supposed to 
be?  I've removed the screw on panels in the luggage compartment but 
there seems to be a hidden area behind the wing.

The car tends to bounce around when driving on less than perfect 
roads.  I've fitted lowering springs to the front which have made it 
more stable but it still doesn't inspire confidence to corner fast.  
Are they generally like this or do I need new shocks?

Oh, it's a LHD manual with 42,000 miles.

Thanks for your time,




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