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Date: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:02 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Brittish car VS Domestic
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

2. NJ Car Show. 10/5
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

3. Re: Dominos Pizza Car on Ebay
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Re: help!
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. 3 different hoods
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

6. Re: Re: Dominos Pizza Car on Ebay
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: NJ Car Show. 10/5
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: Brittish car VS Domestic
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: 3 different hoods
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

10. "Painted DeLoreans" website update
From: "Brian Henderlong" <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

11. DeLorean Hood Memo
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>

12. Stainless Commercial.
From: "paradidl" <paradidl_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. DMC
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

14. Re: 3 different hoods
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: Re: 3 different hoods
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

16. Hoods, Help!, any other "H" topics?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

17. compressor belt
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:54:20 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Brittish car VS Domestic

I have noticed the same thing here in New Jersey.

The general car shows usually throw us in with the "imports", and wont even let us show with the "production" class of our years.  Of course, the import class is always buried away from the bulk of the traffic.  At these shows we get the normal run of BTTF and cocaine jokes.  A few people even went for one of each!

British car shows always welcome us, and in many cases are quick to give us our own class.  The local club around here (Positive Earth Drivers Club, I think) gave us our own class in their show, unfortunately not to many cars show up.  The people that go to these shows are rare to make BTTF or Cocaine jokes.

This all seems odd to me, because the DeLorean is really an American car.  Just because it was built in Ireland should not make it an import.  Hondas made in Ohio are domestic??  Chevy's made in Canada are imports??   It would be nice if we could lobby to have the classification changed (like, in price guides and such).


> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Espey [mailto:james_at_dml_usadmc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:57 PM
> To: dmcnews
> Subject: [DML] Texas All British Car Day - Round Rock, Texas
<SNIP>
> 
> As a side note, it was the FIRST EVER car show that I 
> attended where I did
> not hear ONE "Back to the Future" joke or cocaine reference - 
> everyone was
> very polite and asked a lot of intelligent questions.
> 



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:09:49 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: NJ Car Show. 10/5

Reminder....

If you plan on going, please contact me.  I will see if the organizers will give us our own section.  I have verified that they will let us show our post 1977 DeLoreans.  :)


Some more info at:

http://www.sgclassiccarshow.com/
http://www.app.com/app2001/story/0,21133,623176,00.html


The BatMobile will be there!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc A. Levy 
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:28 AM
> To: DMC News (E-mail)
> Subject: [DML] NJ Car Show. 10/5
> 
> 
> It is a bit of time away, but the organizer of this show WILL 
> let us show our DeLoreans (even though they are post 1977) 
> and has offered to give us a category but would like to know 
> how many cars will show up.
> 
> Admission to the show is $10 a person, The entry fee for a 
> car is $20 which includes you and your passenger's admission 
> to the event.
> 
> Please contact me if you are interested, I'd like to give him 
> an idea of how many will show up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sea Girt Classic Car Show  To Benefit Camp Sunshine
> 
>      Over one hundred foreign and domestic pre-1977 cars will 
> be selected for display at the Sea Girt, NJ National Guard 
> Army Camp on October 5, 2002.  Special notice will be given 
> to the 50th Anniversary of the Corvette.  In support of the 
> event, General Motors will display five exciting concept 
> cars, making the "Sea Girt Classic Car Show" a unique event.  
> The show will run from 10 AM to 3 PM.
> 
>      The Sea Girt Classic Car Show raises money to send New 
> Jersey families to   Camp Sunshine, a retreat for families 
> who have children with life-threatening illnesses, such as 
> cancer, kidney disease, lupus and juvenile diabetes.  Since 
> its inception in 1984, the camp has hosted over 3,400 
> families from forty states and nine different countries. 
> Located on Lake Sabago in Maine, the program offers 
> participating families recreational activities, professional 
> counseling and workshops for parents, and on-site medical 
> support.  During their stay, families are renewed and 
> strengthened, well siblings are made to feel important too, 
> and children who struggle against terrible diseases are freed 
> to be just kids again.  The camp is staffed almost entirely 
> by volunteers.  There is no charge to attending families. The 
> costs are paid by donations and fundraising events.
> 
>      This year in light of September 11th, a portion of the 
> proceeds will be given to the Family Support Program of the 
> 108th New Jersey Air National Guard. Since 9/11, the men and 
> women have been placed on active duty providing midair 
> refueling for planes flying in Afghanistan and along the east 
> coast of the US.
> 
>             
> 
>                                                             History
> 
>  
> 
>      In 1999 the Horan family of Sea Girt, NJ lost their 
> seven year old daughter, Bridget, to a brain tumor. Several 
> years earlier, on a visit to Children's Hospital of 
> Philadelphia, the Horans first learned about Camp Sunshine. 
> That summer, at Camp Sunshine, their whole family was able to 
> do something that families of kids with serious illnesses 
> rarely get to do. They were able to relax and have fun. 
> Knowing that medical support was immediately available, the 
> entire family enjoyed each other's company and the peace and 
> natural beauty of the camp. In 1999, just months before 
> Bridget died, the Horans returned to Camp Sunshine. It was a 
> time of peace and happy memories.      
> 
>      Bridget's life has inspired many people in the local 
> community.  In the past two years local fundraisers have 
> sponsored NJ families to attend the camp. This year a larger 
> effort is being made to enable even more families to have a 
> week's respite at Camp Sunshine.  To support this great cause 
> by entering a car, just fill out the attached car 
> registration form.   For information regarding advertising in 
> the program, attending the Sneak Preview Party or 
> volunteering contact us at the number listed below.
> 
> Sea Girt Classic Car Show, 501 The Terrace, Sea Girt, NJ 
> 08750, 732-974-9434, E-Mail sgclassiccarshow_at_dml_verizonmail.com, 
> 501 c 3 application pending
> 
> 
> http://www.camp-sunshine.com/
> 





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:57:59 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Dominos Pizza Car on Ebay

If you want this car consider the possibility that you have to strip 
the paint off and repaint it. There could be a lot of damaged panels 
covered with body filler making returning the car to stainless 
impractacle economicaly. In the most optomistic circumstance, after 
removing the paint you will have to regrain all of the panels, not a 
small job. You WILL be repainting the facias in any case. On a car 
like this it is probably best to take all of the panels and facias off 
to do it right. Don't forget on top of all the cosmetic work you are 
also facing considerable mechanical work too.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Tim Ruckley" <tim_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> How hard/easy is it to get a car like this back to its original 
stainless
> steel finish?
> 
> - Tim.
> 
> > >
> > > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., James Espey <james_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> > > > Interesting car on Ebay originally purchased by Domino's 
Pizza...
> > > >
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > ViewItem&item=1865080241




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:07:22 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: help!

I would guess that the problem is ignition related. You really should 
see a nice fat blue spark. If it has been a long time since a tune-up 
(if ever) then that is where I would start. If the ignition wires are 
breaking down, the coil is weak, and the gap on the spark plugs is 
opening up from wear, this would cause the motor to run progressivly 
worse until it won't run at all. To rule out a fuel problem you could 
squirt a LITTLE ether (starting fluid) in the intake while it's 
cranking. Before you try it pull up the inertia switch to keep the 
fuel pump off so you won't flood the engine. If you don't get even a 
pop then you know it's an ignition problem.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Robin Glebes" <robglebes_at_dml_h...> wrote:
>    I've been having trouble getting my delorean started.  I had been 
driving 
> and at a stop sign it stalled and would not restart.  It had been 
running 
> rough that day, but it was running.  I had it towed back to my house 
and 
> started checking it out.
>    The things I checked were as follows:
> fuel system:
> -fuel pump output volume exceeded specs after the fuel filter
> -cold start valve sprays approximately five seconds
> -bypassing thermal time switch for fifteen seconds still did not 
start car
> 
> ignition system:
> -checked resistence of ballist resistors and ignition coil
> --ignition coil checked slightly high
> ----substituted a coil from another delorean and no change
> -checked spark at plug ends of wire for plugs 2, 3, 5, and 6
> --spark was orangish and arced about 3-sixtenths of an inch
> ---never pulled any plugs to look
> 
> with ignition on, but not cranking:
> --voltage at first ballist resistor is 12.4 volts
> --voltage at terminal 15 of coil was about 4.3 volts
> --condensor to ground showed over 1.5 megohms
> 
> -timing at cranking speed using plug six about ten degrees btdc
> --plug six was firing rarely(using intuction timing light)
> 
> Thanks for any help.  Hopefully it's something obvious that I 
overlooked.
> -Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 
> http://www.hotmail.com




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:26:46 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: 3 different hoods

why were there 3 different types of hoods made, was it just for cost of making them
without hood lines or gas flap or was there a different reason?

thanks
mark





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Dominos Pizza Car on Ebay

Best thing in my opion would be to strip all the
panels off and refinish them. Probally keep it a
painted "D" as it was said, there could be alot of
damage under there you just dont know. Remove all the
panels from the car and work on them that way. while
everything is removed go through and do a rutine
inspection of al lwireing and mechanical. I believe in
tear down and rebuild. I believe in "If your gonna do
it, do it right and do it right the first time." This
car looks like a sweet project.

Todd
Vin 5386



--- jtrealtywebspannet <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net> wrote:
> If you want this car consider the possibility that
> you have to strip 
> the paint off and repaint it. There could be a lot
> of damaged panels 
> covered with body filler making returning the car to
> stainless 
> impractacle economicaly. > 



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NJ Car Show. 10/5

Marc,

Greetings from Pa, I might make it down there. not
sure yet as I'm under the weather this week but if I
can I will definetly come down. Unfortunetly I can't
bring my car :( but I can come and enjoy everyone
elses. :D YAY! Sounds like a cool show!

Todd
Vin 5386



--- "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com> wrote:
> Reminder....
> 
> If you plan on going, please contact me.  I will see
> if the organizers will give us our own section.  I
> have verified that they will let us show our post
> 1977 DeLoreans.  :)
> 
> 
> Some more info at:
> 
> http://www.sgclassiccarshow.com/
>
http://www.app.com/app2001/story/0,21133,623176,00.html
> 
> 
> The BatMobile will be there!



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:37:38 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Brittish car VS Domestic

Actually, I would consider the car an import as it has been imported from a 
different country and was classified as such by the 1981-83 National GDP 
index. I can see why the car could be considered domestic, because of its 
domestic ownership, but, GM owns Saab, are those domestic? Also, I doubt very 
seriously that anyone would consider an English Ford such as the Cosworth as 
domestic. I am usually quick to show at European car events and I shy from 
the usual domestic hot rod stuff. I appreciate the degree of warmness and 
acceptance that they accord to the D.

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC#10527



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:40:57 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: 3 different hoods

Well, It has been said that the reason they discontinued the gas flap hood 
was because of the degree of cracking from the cutting process. Many times 
the hood would crack when the cuts were made, this made for many wasted 
hoods, which is very expensive. Once again, I believe the lines were removed 
also as a cost cutting measure due to defects. I  am not quite as sure about 
this second one, but I do know that less processes in production = less cost 
of goods sold. So, one could draw that conclusion.

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:11:11 -0400
From: "Brian Henderlong" <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: "Painted DeLoreans" website update

Hi, everyone --

In honor of crossing the "9,000 hits" mark, I've added a shot of a yellow "D" to my "Painted DeLoreans" website (thanks to Len for contributing!).

I've had some computer trouble recently, so unfortunately I've lost some pics that were sent to me recently... if you've sent me any photos of painted "D's" in the last few weeks, I'd be very grateful if you'd re-send them!!

Thanks,

- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:00:10 -0000
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: DeLorean Hood Memo

Hello List,
I purchased this memo from ebay a year ago.
It's John DeLorean sending a memo to C. R. Brown.
I downloaded a scanned copy of the memo in the photos section.
It didn't enlarge big enough to make out some words so hears what it 
says:

I neglected to mention that I cut my hand on fuel filler door while 
putting gas into car.
All sharp edges must be removed or a welt cemented on sharp edges 
for safety before any cars are sold.
Signed John DeLorean

Could this have been the contributing factor in the removal of the 
flap?
Before my gas flap hood was damaged and replaced with the flat hood. 
I cut my hand several times on those edges of the hood. Those little 
rubber piece kept falling off.

Regards
Mike
Vin#1113








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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:13:46 -0000
From: "paradidl" <paradidl_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Stainless Commercial.

Some of you might have already seen it, but there is a commercial 
running right now for, I believe Nissan, in which a car strips it's 
own paint off as it speeds down a desert road!  Yeah right.  Well, 
when paint is first being stripped, it appears almost as if it is a 
stainless skin!  Later in the commercial, I believe just a gray car 
is used.  Just thought I'd share...

Cheers,

Alex

vin - maybe in a year or two




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:53:28 -0600
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: DMC

I got this message from someone who happened to see me on the Mid-State
DeLorean Club web pages. Please contact him directly as I have no knowledge
of this other than what he wrote:

>Hi! I found you on the web and have a question for you. 
>  
>Do you know anyone who would be interested in a complete DMC engine? I
have had it for a number of years and would like to get it in someone's
hands who would be able to use it. I am uncertain of the condition as I
have never heard it run. I can provide complete details to anyone interested. 
>  
>If you know where I could even list it for sale, I would love to hear
about it. 
>  
>Thanks for your time!
>  
>Respectfully,
>  
>Dave Hosea
>Dave_at_dml_ExpertAutoCare.com
>425/ 391-3600


Thanks

Mark Noeltner
Webmaster: Mid-State DeLorean Club
http://www.midstatedmc.com/



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:25:41 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: 3 different hoods

There were several reasons for the changes. The hood would get 
scratched when you filled up with gas. A manufacturer always wants 
some distinction between model years. The ridges in the hood were not 
needed for ridgity. Probably the single biggest reason though is 
"parts count". The Holy Grail in manufacturing is to reduce parts 
count. For every part you can remove from the car you save the price 
of the part, weight, inventory, less venders, labor to install, and 
warrenty issues. This is how people get promoted, by figuring out ways 
to make the car simpler or finding multiple uses for parts. Did you 
ever wonder why the plate under the "T" roof fits so weird and is 
taped down? Next time you look at it compare it to the plate by the 
lock for the engine cover. Another fertile area is left-right 
symmetry. Many of the parts can be reversed and used on both sides so 
you don't have special left-right parts.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanss_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Well, It has been said that the reason they discontinued the gas 
flap hood 
> was because of the degree of cracking from the cutting process. Many 
times 
> the hood would crack when the cuts were made, this made for many 
wasted 
> hoods, which is very expensive. Once again, I believe the lines were 
removed 
> also as a cost cutting measure due to defects. I  am not quite as 
sure about 
> this second one, but I do know that less processes in production = 
less cost 
> of goods sold. So, one could draw that conclusion.
> 
> John Weaver
> ETDOC
> RED DMC #10527




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:40:46 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 3 different hoods

I read that the hoods with the grooves were discontinued because when they
would stamp them, too many hoods were being damaged.  It was easier to just
make a hood that was flat and simple to avoid losing money on manufacturing
defects.  Can anyone confirm this?  I'm not sure if that's the same reason
the gas flap was removed.  Personally, I like having my gas flap there.

payne





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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:40:21 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Hoods, Help!, any other "H" topics?

Stainless steel is more difficult to work than sheet metal (take note,
those of us with dented D's). Is especially more brittle. I'm sure an
unacceptable number of hoods failed the initial stamping processes,
given financial health of the company. Better smooth hoods on an
assembly line that's still moving than flap hoods on a line that's
shut down.

Special note to David Teitelbaum: take a good look at American Motors.
The only way it survived so long (indeed, the only time it turned a
profit) was covertly sharing parts among all available models. AMC is
unique for incorporating parts that were not only ambidextrous left to
right, but front to rear as well. And the buying public never caught
on -- give those engineers a raise.

Re: Help! I think David's right -- Rob's problem is probably
electrical (99% of car problems usually are). Didn't even look at his
ignition numbers (assumed John Hervey approved, and we all know what
they say about assuming...). If he's only got 5 volts going into the
coil, his plugs aren't going to fire. I don't think he'll even get HT.
The problem is somewhere between his battery and the coil.

Bill Robertson
#5939




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:35:18 -0000
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: compressor belt

My compressor and/or idler pulleys make lots of noise. I was thinking 
of just taking the belt of them to eliminate the noise until I can 
fix the stuff. I just want some input on this, any adverse effects, 
is it a crappy idea, etc?

Thanks,

Adam




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