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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1225
Date: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:35 PM

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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Stainless Steel Illusion
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

2. Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. RE: NEW Redesigned auto governor computers
From: "Jeff Angwin" <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>

4. RE: DeLorean for sale MARYLAND
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

5. Re: NEW Redesigned auto governor computers
From: Jamie Hamlin <jhamlin_at_dml_avart.net>

6. Rear Bumper Shipping
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

7. Door Lock issues
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

8. Stainless Steel Illusion
From: Gleb Remishevsky <gremishe_at_dml_sju.edu>

9. Fabricating Anything?
From: "Dan" <copper_trace_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Fabricating Anything?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

11. Stainless Steel Illusion PDF file
From: "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>

12. my car in the local paper!
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. How anoying us DeLorean nuts must be
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Re: Door Lock issues
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. DeLorean coming up for sale in NC
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: Rear Bumper Shipping
From: Joe Bachmann <joe.bachmann_at_dml_newmail.net>

19. Re: my car in the local paper!
From: illyana delorean <illyana_at_dml_mindspring.com>

20. Platinum +4 plugs...
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. Re: Door Lock issues
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

22. Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

23. Weird Auto Box Question (definitely not the Governor Computer)
From: "jamesrguk" <James_rg_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:00:18 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Stainless Steel Illusion

Before I owned my own copy, I would have said it would be great if you could distribute this information.....

BUT...

Now that I own a copy myself, I'd have to say I would be upset because distributing this information will hurt the value of the real book..  I happen to "get lucky" and find my book for a reasonable price (not $250 on Ebay!), but there are a good number of people who paid over $100 for their book.  Is it fair to hurt the value of their "investment"?

I'm sure a number of people will contact you offering you small amounts of money to make copies for them.  Its a good bet you will go ahead and "help them out", but your not helping the value of the book.

If it matter to you, the book is still under copyright of the publisher.  Making a copy of protected material IN ANY FORM (this is the law that killed napster, a digital copy like this is also covered in the law) is illegal.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Digital Devices [mailto:delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:20 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Stainless Steel Illusion
> 
<SNIP>
>  
> Of the copyright issue.. I am sure I can make a few copies.
>  
> BUT!!!!!
>  
> If people feel this is wrong or that I should not .. let me know .. I
> don't want to get anybody upset..
<SNIP>



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:01:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion

I make the folowing comments with mixed emothions.

As a DeLorean owner and the owner of Stainless Steel
Illusion, I would hope that everyone would get a copy.
 It is a fascinating book. 
 
As the owner of a bookstore, I find it reprehensible
that people will violate copyright laws "because the
book is too expensive and I DESERVE to have a copy". 
This is just another example of what I perceive to be
a problem with our society; ie,  "its just a little
thing, so it is okay".  

I don't deal in used/rare books.  When I  occasionally
come across a copy of this book I buy it and then
offer it to a DeLorean owner for whatever it cost me. 
However, that is still rather expensive.  


I appreciate Ken's approach to this issue, but
integrity, honesty and ethics provide a very clear
path to follow.  In today's society, it may be the
road less traveled, but it is the right road to
follow.

Just my 2.


Dick Ryan


--- Digital Devices <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>
wrote:
> I have a copy of Stainless Steel Illusion on CD ..
> PDF format which I
> aquired from a gentleman in London England
>  
> He tried to list them on eBay but was booted off..
>  
> I am sure that it breaks a bunch of copyright laws..
> but with a little
> feedback from the mailing list on your views
>  
> Of the copyright issue.. I am sure I can make a few
> copies.
>  
> BUT!!!!!
>  
> If people feel this is wrong or that I should not ..
> let me know .. I
> don't want to get anybody upset..
>  
> Its just that it is SUCH a good book , yet so hard
> to find.. and when
> you do find it .. its so damn expensive
>  
>  
> You can email me privately - ken_at_dml_digital-devices.net
>  
>  
> Thanks
> Kenneth
> 05541
>  
>  
> 
> 
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> removed]
> 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:37:59 -0700
From: "Jeff Angwin" <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>
Subject: RE: NEW Redesigned auto governor computers

Sounds like a winner to me, Martin!

I'd be interested in either a group buy on pre-made units, or a schematic
and/or PCB, as being an EE, I have no problem in building from scratch.
(Also, I'd be Very Interested in seeing the schematic to see what changes
have been made!)

Thanks! And regards,

Jeff Angwin
VIN 3034
81 Automatic



-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gutkowski [mailto:webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:03 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] NEW Redesigned auto governor computers

Hi All

For those who were at Memphis. you may have met myself and Rich showing
off his prototype automatic transmission governor. Built from scratch,
though using the original design as a template, this module has
(finally) been fitted to James Russel-Grant's car and shown to work
beautifully. To quote James:

"I am pleased to say that with the new GC installed my car shifts
beautifully, kicks down correctly and is smoother than ever"

The new governor has been designed professionally and as a drop-in
replacement for the original (unfortunately due to its nature you will
have to be able to use a soldering iron to fit it). It is based on the
original design though has several additions and modifictions to the
circuit to ensure longevity, and to correct original design flaws. Rich
also plans to add manually variable shift points for turbo users (like
him) and a semi-automatic add-on. All this is really easy to achieve.

The point to this e-mail is to ask "is anyone interested"? To get 10 of
these made would be prohibitive in both time and money, however to get a
larger volume made would mean each one would be very inexpensive. Please
mail me off-list if interested

Martin
#1458 & #4426



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:32:31 -0400
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: DeLorean for sale MARYLAND


Hello,

Found this in Severna Park Maryland this morning at Benfield Citgo gas station 8699 Veterans HWY, Millersville MD 21108. 410-987-0922

VIN SCEDT26XBD003527
September 1981
9,180 miles
Black Leather 
5-speed
Originally purchased in 1981, Northern Virginia.
Asking price $50,000.00

Sales man said "I'm receiving offers above $70,000 for this DeLorean"
I asked "where the car was purchased from?"

His answer "used car auction for pennies."

Based on my experience with these cars, the car is in rough condition.




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:24:47 -0400
From: Jamie Hamlin <jhamlin_at_dml_avart.net>
Subject: Re: NEW Redesigned auto governor computers

Hello Martin,

I just put new caps. in my GC but I may be interested in this.
and I am really interested in the semi-automatic add on...

Jamie Hamlin
Miami Florida
Vin# 002606

Martin Gutkowski wrote:

> Hi All
>
> For those who were at Memphis. you may have met myself and Rich showing
> off his prototype automatic transmission governor. Built from scratch,
> though using the original design as a template, this module has
> (finally) been fitted to James Russel-Grant's car and shown to work
> beautifully. To quote James:
>
> "I am pleased to say that with the new GC installed my car shifts
> beautifully, kicks down correctly and is smoother than ever"
>
> The new governor has been designed professionally and as a drop-in
> replacement for the original (unfortunately due to its nature you will
> have to be able to use a soldering iron to fit it). It is based on the
> original design though has several additions and modifictions to the
> circuit to ensure longevity, and to correct original design flaws. Rich
> also plans to add manually variable shift points for turbo users (like
> him) and a semi-automatic add-on. All this is really easy to achieve.
>
> The point to this e-mail is to ask "is anyone interested"? To get 10 of
> these made would be prohibitive in both time and money, however to get a
> larger volume made would mean each one would be very inexpensive. Please
> mail me off-list if interested
>
> Martin
> #1458 & #4426
>
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> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:29:11 -0400
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Rear Bumper Shipping

Has anyone ever mailed a rear fascia?  I have one that I want to sell on
ebay that is all packaged up and ready to go on auction BUT....I took it
to a local shipping place that is a UPS agent and they said it was too
big.   I want to get an accurate ship price but I have to imagine that
these things are shipped all the time from DMCH to other DMC vendors.
Any ideas?  FED-EX ground?

Anyway, the fascia is is good shape with some scratches on some scuffing
on the black portion.  There are NO tears and overall it's fine.  The
bumper had stainless letters so the DELOREAN name insert was scuffed up
for better adhesion with the letter glue. it will need repainting.   I
want $250.00 for it plus shipping if anyone is interested.

Tom
#005732




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:45:05 -0400
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Door Lock issues

I just bought a LOCKZILLA unit to replace the original module.  I was
quite impressed with the quality of the design, packaging and the ease
of installation as well as the flexibilty for add-ons.
Anyway......symptom I have is that the DRIVERS switch WILL lock and
unlock the passenger side.  THE PASSENGER side switch will lock the
drivers side but will not unlock it.  I bought 2 new solenoids as well.
Would this symptom be that only the PASSENGER side solenoid is bad?
What sends the signal to the other door to unlock?  Is it the solenoid?
the control module?  Both?  I suppose I should replace the passenger
side first and see if it cures the problem.  I'm just curious as to the
routing of the lock/unlock signal and how much the solenoid plays in
it.  This happens with the new Lockzilla in place as well as the old
control module so I know it's not a module issue.  The swithes are not
real switches right?  This wouldn't be a problem as well would it?

I would ask Rob these questions but I know he's a busy guy.  Rob did
mention that the Launcher should hopefully be ready for Christmas
shipping.   Be patient. I'd rather it be 100% tested and ready than to
rush it.

Thanks

Tom
#005732


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:53:51 -0400
From: Gleb Remishevsky <gremishe_at_dml_sju.edu>
Subject: Stainless Steel Illusion

Hi,

This book is also available in Philadelphia Free Library.
Search result:
http://draweb.library.phila.gov/web2/tramp2.exe/see_record/A0i1lj5d.002?server=1home&item=1&item_source=1home

Gleb
VIN: 3406





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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:04:29 -0000
From: "Dan" <copper_trace_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Fabricating Anything?

I've been on this list for quite a awhile learning about the DeLorean.

I am working for a custom car parts fabricator making everything from 
sheet-metal intakes to exhaust systems to turbo systems.

I was wondering if anyone had anything in mind, short of making new 
stainless body panels, that they'd be interested in having made.

Something that comes to mind, are the sheet-metal air boxes, or maybe 
a mutli-port efi intake, or a turbo kit, stainless exhaust..?

Feel free to email me: copper_trace_at_dml_yahoo.com

and check out the site for the shop i work for: 
http://www.measeperformance.com

let me know if i can help make something.




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:10:25 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fabricating Anything?

Dan, I'm intrested in some parts being made. I looked at the web site but 
found no products. 
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com
email is dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

<< http://www.measeperformance.com
  >>



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:21:44 -0400
From: "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>
Subject: Stainless Steel Illusion PDF file

WOW!
 
Inbox has been flooded with replies. seems that nobody has any
objections to me distributing this file..
 
So here is what I have decided to do:
 
Since the file is so large (over 100 megabytes) I will be sending it on
a cd if you would like one.
 
All I am asking is for $5 bux just to cover shipping and the cdr price
 
I will send the cd in good faith.. just send the $5 when you get it
 
Anybody interested.. let me know
 
ken_at_dml_digital-devices.net
 
Thanks, Kenneth Kapalowski (Digital Devices)
5541
 


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:37:39 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: my car in the local paper!

Hey all,

a reporter did a feature on myself and my beloved. follow the link:
http://new.in-forum.com/articles/?id=20242

later,
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 02:37:52 -0000
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: How anoying us DeLorean nuts must be


Chances are, everyone in your family and even a majority of your 
friends know about DeLoreans in uttermost detail, whether you own one 
or not.  But I must ask you, do they like this constant bombardment 
of facts, or do they nod their head with a slight smile, and in your 
mother's tone say 'very nice.'

Dont throw me off the soap box yet, I have reasoning why fanatics of 
anything sometimes annoy people.

Ok, I admit to chat peoples heads off about my beloved car- 
(currently manufactured by Sun-Star, lol) But, this guy at work has 
gotten me to rethink my strategy of advertising DeLorean.  By all 
standards, this guy is a war fanatic.  He doesnt work, and always 
chats to everybody about various wars and battles.  Besides that, hes 
the perfect co-worker.  Half the time, I dont really get into what he 
says.  This guy has little clue that I'm not a war fanatic.  I have 
to ask myself, Am I annoying when I talk to people about my favorite 
car?

My oppinion has changed.  I wont chat about DeLoreans unless I'm 
asked, and I sure bet I will be asked when I get my own DMC next year.

Ok, my 3 minutes on the soap box is over. Not a bad deal considering 
it only cost me 2 cents.

Tom Porter.

PS.  Thanks for those who replied about loaning/renting Stainless 
Steel Illusion.  I need no more replies, and this matter is being 
settled indiviualy with a few of you.  Thanks again, you guys (+gals) 
comprise a great community!




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 02:40:11 -0000
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion

I know this sounds dumb, but I can buy the book for $250.  Even when 
my car gets around 33 miles to the gallon, it would cost me $1000 for 
gas for a round trip down there.  The price I pay for living in 
Maine, (Northern Maine at that).

Tom Porter


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Gleb Remishevsky <gremishe_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This book is also available in Philadelphia Free Library.
> Search result:
> 
http://draweb.library.phila.gov/web2/tramp2.exe/see_record/A0i1lj5d.00
2?server=1home&item=1&item_source=1home
> 
> Gleb
> VIN: 3406




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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 03:41:16 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Door Lock issues

I am guessing that the door lock module worked exactly the same way as 
the Lockzilla you have now installed. If that IS true then you have 
found out by now that Lockzilla can not fix a problem with the door 
locks when they are out of adjustment. All you had to do was read the 
directions that came with Lockzilla.
 You will have to get out the Workshop Manual and go over ALL of the 
internal door adjustments. It is probably the driver's door that 
needs the help so do that one first. Before going inside the door 
first make sure that the front and rear latches are both getting to 
the 2nd lock position simultainiously. This may require loosening and 
adjusting the anchor pins. The doors are not supposed to be able to be 
locked if the door isn't closed all the way (on the 2nd lock 
position). Most door problems can be traced to the anchor pins not 
adjusted properly and then you wind up having to force the door open 
and closed. This knocks all of the adjustments out of wack so even 
after you get the anchor pins set right you find you have to go inside 
the door anyway to "fix" the linkage adjustments. It is very important 
that the doors not bang or clunk as they are closed. You also 
shouldn't have to slam them to get them to lock. The locking system 
isn't going to work right if this is the case.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> I just bought a LOCKZILLA unit to replace the original module.  I 





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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 03:46:26 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion

IMHO getting the pdf file and seeing the book will just make you want 
to get "the real deal". Every Delorean owner should probably have a 
"real" copy. I find it a very valuable reference (even though there 
are some minor errors). If you are patient you will find a copy for 
less than $250. Having the pdf file given away free will just make 
people want the book more therefore it won't hurt the value.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Gleb Remishevsky <gremishe_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This book is also available in Philadelphia Free Library.
> Search result:
> 
http://draweb.library.phila.gov/web2/tramp2.exe/see_record/A0i1lj5d.00
2?server=1home&item=1&item_source=1home
> 
> Gleb
> VIN: 3406




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:58:06 EDT
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean coming up for sale in NC

For those of you who may be interested, there in a D that will be available 
soon for purchase near me in North Carolina.  I don't have a lot of details 
as of now, but will have all important information in the near future.  This 
car has approx. mileage of 10,400 miles with black interior and manual 
transmission, VIN unknown at this time.  Original owner purchased new in 
Conn.  Has had recent work done to it and is in drivable condition as stated 
per owner.  The car has "electrical gremlins" as stated per owner; window 
regulators, power locks, and original radio problems.  I have not had the 
chance to view the car yet, but will do so as soon as possible.  I don't even 
know what the owner's asking price is.  I just found this owner today and 
offered my services to help him market the car.  Those of you whom I have 
helped in the past attain and/or sell DeLoreans in the past know I am very 
thorough.  Watch the DMCNews for sale page and this message board for more 
info.  If anyone wants more info quickly, contact me directly and I will see 
what I can do to help.

Regards,
Darren Decker
#5000 
NC lic:  1981 DMC
Iznodmad "at" aol.com     


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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:40:30 -0500
From: Joe Bachmann <joe.bachmann_at_dml_newmail.net>
Subject: Re: Rear Bumper Shipping

For larger items like that Forward Air can sometimes be decent to send stuff out. Check
them out.

JB

>Watkins Family wrote:

> Has anyone ever mailed a rear fascia?  I have one that I want to sell on
> ebay that is all packaged up and ready to go on auction BUT....I took it
> to a local shipping place that is a UPS agent and they said it was too
> big.   I want to get an accurate ship price but I have to imagine that
> these things are shipped all the time from DMCH to other DMC vendors.
> Any ideas?  FED-EX ground?
>
> Tom
> #005732



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:54:31 -0700
From: illyana delorean <illyana_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: my car in the local paper!

is there anywhere else we can read the article? (for those of us who 
don't want to register)

illyana


>Hey all,
>
>a reporter did a feature on myself and my beloved. follow the link:
>http://new.in-forum.com/articles/?id=20242
>
>later,
>Andy
>
>Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
>1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
>Fargo, ND 58102
>


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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 10:11:41 -0000
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Platinum +4 plugs...

Can anyone who has used these plugs give me their opinion of them? I 
am doing a tune-up soon and am thinking of using these plugs. Also 
what heat rating do you suggest for an engine with 75,000 miles on 
it, is it different for the platinum plugs? 

thanks for all input!

Adam




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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 14:13:45 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Re: Door Lock issues

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_m...> wrote:
<snip>
> Anyway......symptom I have is that the DRIVERS switch WILL lock and
> unlock the passenger side.  THE PASSENGER side switch will lock the
> drivers side but will not unlock it.

I had a similar problem some time back on my high-mileage car. In my 
case the root cause was that the door lock switch on the one side was 
too sloppy to make a reliable connection when the switch is thrown. 
The door lock switches a really quite cheezy and consist of a metal 
wiper that rotates on a riveted pivot across a baseplate that has 
three bumps on it. The wiper is wide enough to touch two of the three 
bumps and the center bump is the ground circuit. The problkem I had 
was that over time the wiper had lost some of its tension and was not 
pressing securely against the bumps. Also the whole wiper had a lot 
of slop in it.

You can veryify whether your door switches are bad without 
dismantling your door by checking your wiring diagram and measuring 
at the door lock module by unplugging it and measuring from the 
connector contacts.

     Knut 




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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 05:49:31 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion

I'm not going to take sides in this argument here. Because I can honestly 
agree with both. But, I do have one question. Exactly what makes the book 
"Stainless Steel Illusion" so valuable? With a little searching _at_dml_ local public, 
and university libraries, one can almost always find the book. And there really 
isn't a week that doesn't go by that a copy isn't for sale on eBay, along with the 
classifieds on Amazon where there are ALWAYS multiple copies available.

I've read the book, and it is indeed a good one. It offers quite a substacial 
amount of information of the history of the DeLorean in both text, and 
pictorals. But the book is hardly what I would call "rare" given how easily it is 
found online. And even though I would consider it a good book, it's not one 
that I'm willing to pay $50+ for, let alone the typical $150+ reserve prices 
found in nearly every auction.

Someone here mentioned that this is exactly like what happened with 
Napster. I agree totally. But at the same time, you have to realize. If people are 
going to constatnly keep trying to inflate the value of a popular item, others 
will always circumvent it. Which is why when you look _at_dml_ things, it's 
understandable as to why online file sharing services have become so 
popular. But to keep this argument on track, here's another senario.

A couple of years ago, the topic of a DeLorean font was raised. And quite a 
few people expressed interest in it. _at_dml_ the time, a company called Axe 
Graphics had the font for sale for $30. Soon after though, the same exact font 
became available online for free on people's personal websites. The same 
with the Doubleback font for BTTF. But no one complained about these then, 
nor have they since when they started to be shared publicly.

To be honest, I'm surprised that it's taken this long for someone to put SSI into 
a shared document format. In this day and age, it's almost to be expected. I 
don't mean to step on anyone's toes here, but I guess everyone just has to 
take this as a lesson to be learned. If you're going to invest in something in the 
future (not that books are exactly that lucrative), don't put money into anything 
that could easily be replicated by technology, and diluted by mass 
reproduction. Although to be honest, I don't see the asking prices for SSI to be 
going down anytime soon. You might see the # of willing buyers go down, but 
the sellers will absolutely cringe to lose any profit. They'll just wait until they 
find that certain buyer.

In the end, is it "fair" that someone's "investment" may have been hurt? No, it's 
not. But alot of things aren't fair. Ironicly, a while back, a discussion was here 
on the list about diluting the marque of the DeLorean. Specificly the Tilley 
Electric DeLorean. My thoughts were that it was wrong what the man was 
doing, and that it was going to hurt the value of our cars. And the general 
concensus _at_dml_ that time was that I was over reacting, and it was nothing. Of 
course no there seems to be more outcry about a simple 100MB file hurting 
the value of a book, and people seem to be more upset about that. So all in 
all, it seems more people here are concerned about a small book about our 
cars, rather than our cars themselves. I think that our priorites here need to be 
straightened out. If you really do want to keep the vaules of things up, then 
more comtrol must be exerted over what information is distributed. After all, 
they don't just call this the "Information Age" for nothing...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Before I owned my own copy, I would have said it would be great if you 
could distribute this information.....
> 
> BUT...
> 
> Now that I own a copy myself, I'd have to say I would be upset because 
distributing this information will hurt the value of the real book..  I happen to 
"get lucky" and find my book for a reasonable price (not $250 on Ebay!), but 
there are a good number of people who paid over $100 for their book.  Is it fair 
to hurt the value of their "investment"?
> 
> I'm sure a number of people will contact you offering you small amounts of 
money to make copies for them.  Its a good bet you will go ahead and "help 
them out", but your not helping the value of the book.
> 
> If it matter to you, the book is still under copyright of the publisher.  Making a 
copy of protected material IN ANY FORM (this is the law that killed napster, a 
digital copy like this is also covered in the law) is illegal.




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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:18:21 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <James_rg_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Weird Auto Box Question (definitely not the Governor Computer)

Hi all, 

I recently had my auto box Computer changed for a custom made new 
one here in the UK which has brought the car back to life after a 
long spell of being stuck in 2nd or 3rd. Anyway the problem I now 
have I am sure is not related to the CG unit, when I drive the car 
on the motor way and I am overtaking someone I often find that 3rd 
just hasn't got enough acceleration. At kick down the box shifts 
from 2nd to 3rd at approx. 4000 rpm, but there is still more 
acceleration in 2nd than 3rd up to about 4700 rpm.
I.e. When I overtake on the motor way, and I know it is safe, I will 
manually shift the lever from 3rd to 2nd and overtake. However after 
approximately 20 mins of driving I loose the ability to manually 
shift the gears until the car has sat and cooled off (I CAN move the 
stick but the gears won't change). During the period where I can not 
shift manually the box will still kick down and shift correctly 
using all 3 gears.

So it would appear to be a temperature related issue.

Any Ideas?

Thanks in advance


James RG




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