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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1236
Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:47 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: No Heat :hot water valve?
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re:Re: No Heat :hot water valve?
From: ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com

3. DeLorean sighting in Tampa
From: "Brian Henderlong" <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

4. Re: DeLorean for sale MARYLAND
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Is this right???
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>

6. Re: Is this right???
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

7. RE: Is this right???
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Is this right???
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

9. FW: [doc] FW: Exhaust article
From: "Chris Parnham" <cp_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Fall Foliage Tour- Important info- please read!
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Heavey Cltch Pedal Pressure
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

12. Window Switches
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:19:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: No Heat :hot water valve?

Adam,

If you need a pic of what the hot water valve looks
like, I have one. After I pulled my engine it was
clearly visable. message me privatly if you would like
a few pics of it.

Todd
Vin 5386
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> > I looked again and cannot see this valve anywhere.
> I even climbed on 



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:42:29 GMT
From: ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Re:Re: No Heat :hot water valve?

there is a 1/8th inch hard plastic tube that comes out of the left front wall of the engine bay.  If you follow this plastic tube, it should bring you to the valve.

There is also a 1/2 to 3/4 inch rubber tube that comes out of the back of the engine (the part facing the front of the car) which also goes to the valve.   

Jim
1537





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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:47:03 -0400
From: "Brian Henderlong" <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: DeLorean sighting in Tampa

I saw a DeLorean with the license # IN2TIME in northern Tampa on Saturday evening... at N. Dale Mabry Hwy & Bearss Ave.  Just wondering if the owner is on the list & would like to chat with a fellow enthusiast some time...?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.  :-)

- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:51:59 -0000
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean for sale MARYLAND

Check out the NADA price list online. I dont remember the URL, just 
search for NADA. I looked it up yesterday, our cars average around 10-
16,000 trade in value.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Mr_Woop_Ass" <sephiroth_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Hi Guys, 
> 
> My name is Raymond, I live in Glen Burnie Maryland and I'm nineteen 
> years old. I have been reading the list for some time now, and I 
was 
> waiting for someone to make a comment on this one DeLorean...
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Senatorpack_at_dml_c... wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Found this in Severna Park Maryland this morning at Benfield 
Citgo 
> gas station 8699 Veterans HWY, Millersville MD 21108. 410-987-0922
> > 
> > VIN SCEDT26XBD003527
> > September 1981
> > 9,180 miles
> > Black Leather 
> > 5-speed
> > Originally purchased in 1981, Northern Virginia.
> > Asking price $50,000.00



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:51:27 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>
Subject: Is this right???

Since seeing this picture:-

http://www.delorean-dmc12.co.uk/restoration/pages/layout/suspension/after/su
spension/Dscf0012.jpg

I have been concerned that I have put my track rod ends on up side down.

I have them with the nut on the top, In the manual they are on the top,
however I have found other photos of D's with them this way up.

Now, when the lowered springs are put on the front the steering is alot
lighter as the angle between the rack and track rod is reduced. If the track
rod end were put on this way up it would be even less.....

Any comments??

Cheers
Paul
#6463

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.salsbury/






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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:59:29 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Is this right???

The photos shows it upside down. It seems like a nice idea (and would 
sure make them easier to install and replace!) but the hole in the 
knuckle is tapered for insertion from the bottom. This would take 
some machine work. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> Since seeing this picture:-
> 
> http://www.delorean-
dmc12.co.uk/restoration/pages/layout/suspension/after/su
> spension/Dscf0012.jpg
> 
> I have been concerned that I have put my track rod ends on up side 
down.
> 





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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:15:42 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Is this right???

002981 has the nuts on the top and the rod ends angle down when the
suspension is loaded.  It looks like the rod ends would be horizontal if the
brackets were swapped side to side.

Scott Mueller
002981
DOA 5031
DML
DMC Forum
RDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Salsbury [mailto:paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:51 PM
To: DMCForum_at_dml_yahoogroups.com; dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com;
doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Is this right???


Since seeing this picture:-

http://www.delorean-dmc12.co.uk/restoration/pages/layout/suspension/after/su
spension/Dscf0012.jpg

I have been concerned that I have put my track rod ends on up side down.

....

Any comments??

Cheers
Paul
#6463

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.salsbury/



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:24:25 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Is this right???

After seeing the picture I had to go look at mine. After installing the new
PJ Grady springs and shocks my tie rod ends are nuts up and straight across
parallel to the ground.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>
To: <DMCForum_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>; <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>;
<doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: [DML] Is this right???


> Since seeing this picture:-
>
>
http://www.delorean-dmc12.co.uk/restoration/pages/layout/suspension/after/su
> spension/Dscf0012.jpg
>
> I have been concerned that I have put my track rod ends on up side down.
>
..



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:14:15 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <cp_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: FW: [doc] FW: Exhaust article




Exhausts,
 We all know how awful the original DeLorean "stock" exhaust system is, cast
iron manifolds, pointing "backwards" going around the back of the engine (
warming all sorts of pipes and wires up) and joining up and going through an
( in the UK) unnecessary cat, finally going through a silencer box that has
a LOT of back pressure. It was of course intended to meet strict USA
legislation, but it did restrict, considerably the power of the car.
Martin Gutkowski recently talked to a specialist exhaust firm in Nottingham,
who do custom Stainless Steel , free-flow Exhausts.
 In late August this year my "Delores" the RHD test vehicle went up for some
trial work.
Delores ,being a UK car had never been fitted with a cat, so was already
better than most, however , the rest of the standard system was still in
place.
We deicide the finished system should look "stock" from the back, the
silencer was modelled exactly on the original, using the original fixings
and mounting brackets. The internals however are a different matter!  The
manifolds are custom made in stainless, mini banana , three-into-one
affairs, facing the silencer. There are then two "bolt in" intermediate
pipes joining to each side of the silencer. These two pipes can either be
plain, or have cats fitted.
The internals of the silencer can be custom made, depending on what exhaust
note you would like. The one I went for on Delores, is "medium noisy", about
105 decibels, you can certainly hear it in the car, buts it does sound very
racy!  Mine is an Auto, so I tend to keep it in first gear when driving
around town, the noise really comes in between 3 and 6 k revs! I've turned
into a 50 year old   +  boy racer!
Mark Bourne has been "re-commissioning my "as new" 111 mile 1983 car. I
decided to have a "extra special" system all polished and very noisy.
Lefty is being converted by our own expert tin basher, Chris Nicholson, into
a full BTTF show car.   I wanted something extra noisy making for that!
You will of course remember the bit in the film where the BTTF car backs out
of the van and revs up. Well there is some debate as to whether the sound
was real or dubbed in.  Ask Mark Bourne's neighbours, who have to put up
with the sound each time he backs Lefty out of his garage!!!!

Dyno tests show about  a 20% increase in power.

 ( UK READERS) Lefty  along with 3 other special DeLorean motor cars will be
at the NEC on 9th and 10th of November, don't miss it!

Contacts Don at  www.stainless-exhaust.com, email
sales_at_dml_stainless-exhaust.com

Very helpful and nice people.

Costs:-    Full UK system 650 plus VAT , USA type system with cats, 920,
plus any taxes. [plus shipping}

Add about 50 for a full polished system.

Chris P   DOC UK    with  thanks to all involved.


  DOC UK Website: www.delorean.co.uk



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:29:28 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Fall Foliage Tour- Important info- please read!



The start time for the Third annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour will 
be 12:00p.m. sharp at the DeLorean mansion, Saturday, October 19,2002
If you arrive before then, please do not enter the grounds until 
12:00!
There is a Presbyterian Church and a small white schoolhouse about a 
quarter mile west of Lamination 
Farms. If you get there early, I would encourage people to meet at 
one of these locations.

Note: This is a small town with rich people and it's own police
      force!I did not arrange parking privileges at these two 
      locations but I would think that we should not have 
      a problem parking there. We are highly visible in our DeLoreans-
      please use common sense and courtesy and be respectful if you 
      use the parking lots.

Remember part of what this tour is all about is showing our cars in a 
positive way to the public!

OK, more important news and details about the mansion times and the 
tour- please read! 

The JZD Mansion has been sold to Donald Trump. 
Ed (the caretaker) told us we still have access to the property but 
there have been some changes.

1. We don't want cars entering the grounds (unless you are
helping 
with the set up) until 12:00

2. Unfortunately we may not have access to the mansion itself. 

3. Be aware, we probably will not have access to a bathroom and 
   there is not much around the mansion in the way of food or public
   toilets.

4. There is a major event (steeplechase I think) that will attract
   around 90,000 people to this general area creating some potential 
   traffic problems in the area later that day.

I will be posting the full itinerary soon but as far as the mansion 
goes, this is how we will most likely proceed.

People enter the grounds at 12:00 and the cars are parked in front of 
the mansion and positioned for picture taking etc.  If the weather 
holds out and we have bathroom facilities, we will have Rob Grady 
inspecting DeLoreans and David Tietelbaum will give a course in 
detailing a DeLorean!

We may just do the photo shoot and a quick tour of the mansion 
grounds and then caravan to the hotel to do the car inspections and 
detailing.  By 1:00 we may be getting the group together for the 
caravan to the hotel. 

For those of you good in math, you may have realized that we may only 
be at the JZD Mansion for 1 hour.
Now consider this.
THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE LAST TIME ANY DELOREANS  NO LESS A GROUP OF 
DELOREANS WILL EVER HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY!

If you ever wanted to see the DeLorean mansion or have your car there 
for a picture, this will most likely be the last time you will ever 
have the opportunity for this to happen! 

If you have not e-mailed me that you are coming please let me know 
turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com 

Dinner will be at Good-time Charlies on Rt. 27 and will cost $30 per 
person and includes 4 choices for dinner (Contact me if you need 
vegetarian or Kosher meal) and includes dessert. There is a cash bar 
available.

Regards,

Mike D.









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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:53:56 EDT
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Heavey Cltch Pedal Pressure

Has anyone addressed the unusually high clutch pedal pressure required. Is 
there any fix that reduces the pedal resisitance?
Jim
6147



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:10:35 -0400
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Window Switches


I have the problem of my window switches and my defrost switch not sitting in the correct position in the center consule.  I can't seem to get them all level, the mass of wires running under the center consule always gets in the way.  Whats the best way to make them all sit at the same level?
Also, my window switches frequently stop working, until i clean the contacts, then they start working again.  What is the best way to clean the contacts so that they function for a while?

Thanks
  Willie Mack
  Vin 5043


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