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Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:31 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Performance parts
From: Jim Strickland <>

2. Exhaust Tips
From: "Digital Devices" <>

3. Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)
From: "d_rex_2002" <>

4. Re: 16 Miles Away - But May have Many problems?
From: "d_rex_2002" <>

5. Re: No Heat :hot water valve?
From: "Adam" <>

6. Looking for Fall Foliage Tour drivers from LI or Westchester
From: "Aaron Crocco" <>

7. Re: Heavey Cltch Pedal Pressure
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

8. Re: Window Switches
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

9. KRUPS coffee grinder for sale
From: "schweppes99" <>

10. Re: 16 Miles Away- But May have fuel problems?
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

11. 3rd Annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Itinerary October 19th and 20th
From: "turbodmc3113" <>

12. Re: DeLorean financing
From: "stupadazzo2002" <>

13. HT Lead question
From: "jamesrguk" <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:22:39 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <>
Subject: Re: Performance parts

20% from exhaust modification?  Do you have dynomometer graphs available?

In some states, ie lovely New Hampshire, any sort of emissions
modification is "not legal".  I have found out the hard way.


On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:41:40 -0000 "dmcboi" <> writes:
> Hey all! 
> I've seen a fair amount of talk about performance upgrades recently,...... 
> I've got a full exhaust system that's almost ready for production that will give around a 20% increase in power over the stock system, and it's smog/street 
> legal!
> Thanks!
> Ryan


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:06:53 -0400
From: "Digital Devices" <>
Subject: Exhaust Tips

the 82 and 83 D's have a nice little tip on the mufflers
is this part available?
or does anybody know of a tip that fits?
i just want a plain slant cut tip
something that will make the exhuast NOT loot like the car is a wheel
barrow! :)

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:14:09 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <>
Subject: Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)

Martin, Chris and the whole UK group,

If a picture is worth a thousand words, you guys should be able to
write a novel about this new SS Free Flow Exhaust system.  While I
did read that the system does not come with the polished appearance
that is in the photos, it still looks like great SS craftsmanship.

Anxiously awaiting the dyno testing of the cat and cat-less systems.
With the goals of less restriction, more HP, a better exhaust note
with choices and overall better appearance, what else can a Delorean
enthusiast ask for in a free flow, SS exhaust system.

Since I do not keep up with exchange rates and import duty taxes,
can anyone check on a ballpark price (in US dollars) to purchase
this exhaust system and ship it over to this side of the pond?
And, is it available for immediate purchase, in various forms?

Sounds like the "extra raspy" exhaust note will be my choice.

Thanks in advance.

Rich W.


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:38:12 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <>
Subject: Re: 16 Miles Away - But May have Many problems?


Don't be fooled by terms like "low mileage" or "garage kept".

Just because a car is low mileage and has been garaged for 10 years
does not imply the frame will be rust free.  For those of you that
were at the Midwest Fall Tech Session last year or saw the photos
know that the 24K mile car that we did the frame swap on, or was it
frame drop, anyway the car had one of the worse cases of frame rust
through damage than most of us have seen on a car still rolling.
This car also had not been run in over 10 years and had been garage
kept for those previous 10 years.  However, the first 8 - 9 years of
its life were spent driving from around Detroit, MI all year round,
including the notoriously highly salted winter roads in Michigan.

The key is to be prepared.  Download a copy of the DMC inspection
checklists from DMC Texas and bring a still camera or video camera.
The next best thing to bring is a knowledgeable Delorean person
with you to help with the initial inspection and evaluation.  Most
Delorean enthusiasts are pretty good at 'not jumping your claim'
when it comes to helping another person evaluate a car for sale,
but all bets may be off if you come across a Legend TT powered car
or a rare RHD example that may have crossed the pond.

Good luck in your Delorean search.
Live the Dream.

Rich W. 


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:41:32 -0000
From: "Adam" <>
Subject: Re: No Heat :hot water valve?

I checked out those hoses before and after the car was warmed up. 
They did feel warm, but not really hot.. I think they have fluid 
flowing through them.. guess its a flap problem in the dash... do i 
need to remove the center console to get at the heater core and 

Also i started doing my rear wheel bearing yesterday. for the life of 
me I could not get the outer part of the bearing out of the hub. I 
took it to a local mechanic and they are supposed to have it out and 
the new bearing inside by noon today.. I hope they dont eff it up.


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:07:22 -0400
From: "Aaron Crocco" <>
Subject: Looking for Fall Foliage Tour drivers from LI or Westchester


  I would like to know if anyone going on the Fall Foliage Tour will be
passing through Westchester, or starting from Long Island.  I am going, in
my Plymouth, but I am not comfortable with making the drive to JDZ's mansion
on my own.  I would like to meet up with people if possible and drive
together to NJ.

  If you wish to contact me privatly on this, my e-mail is Slider_ten (at)


-Aaron Crocco


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:21:49 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: Heavey Cltch Pedal Pressure

The pedal pressure in a Delorean is not that much. Either you are 
having a problem with your leg or there is a problem inside the 
clutch. If you can't get another Delorean owner to check the pedal 
then just go ahead and tear out the clutch and see what the problem 
is. It could be as simple as just a lack of lubrication. Lube the 
pedal linkage too and flush the clutch fluid. if you haven't already 
replaced the line running fron the clutch master cylinder to the slave 
cylinder do that also.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> Has anyone addressed the unusually high clutch pedal pressure 
required. Is 
> there any fix that reduces the pedal resisitance?
> Jim
> 6147


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:26:15 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: Window Switches

Since Soma gave you the right info for getting the switches to sit 
level all I want to say is that spraying the switches with cleaner is 
a very temporary way to get them to work. Ultimatly they should be 
replaced. The insides get burnt up and the springs and metal get 
overheated to the point where they are just unreliable. A better 
temporary fix is to file and reshape the contact points but to do that 
you must disassemble them.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> I have the problem of my window switches and my defrost switch not 
sitting in the correct position in the center consule.  


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:33:06 -0000
From: "schweppes99" <>
Subject: KRUPS coffee grinder for sale


I read a lot about this KRUPS coffee grinder No. 223 - so I got a 
white one and a orange coloured one which I wanna sell - white one 
for about $100 incl. shipping and the other for about $70 incl. 
shipping - payment via PAYPAL prefered - please send e-mails to - CU


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:33:43 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: 16 Miles Away- But May have fuel problems?

Not to put a damper on your enthusiasm but if the IRS is after this 
person's estate they may not be able to transfer you "good title". 
Just because this one is nearby doesn't automatically put it at the 
top of the list. Keep looking and you will find one.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Dear DML,
> I Have just recently traveled quite a distance to see a DeLorean in 
> person for the first time, and I absolutly think its the coolest car 
> in the world.  Its even better in person than I could have imagined. 
> And you are right to say its just like a glove, it fits me so well! 


Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:19:59 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <>
Subject: 3rd Annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Itinerary October 19th and 20th



Saturday Oct. 19th 

12:00 to 1:00pm

The Tour starts promptly at 12:00 PM at the former DeLorean Mansion 
in Lamington NJ. (Bring your own picnic lunch and drinks)

Take I 78 to exit 26 (north) CR-665, make a right (east) onto
CR-523 Lamington Rd. (Road forks, stay left) You will pass a white 
schoolhouse on right and a white Presbyterian Church on the left. The 
mansion entrance is on the right, there is a green sign that says 
Lamington Farms Golf Club (street # is 587).

Important instructions please read and follow!
Please do not enter the property before 12:00! There are two small 
parking lots west of the mansion by the Presbyterian Church and 
schoolhouse. I did not arrange permission to use these parking lots, 
if you use them as a meeting area please be discreet, courteous and 
use common sense. Remember we are in a small town with a private 
police force and highly visible. 
Note: There is not much in the way of public bathrooms or food near
      the mansion. The closest facilities I found are a few miles 
      away, take CR-523 (Lamington Rd.) east and make a right (south)
      onto RT 202/206 (not much to chose from BTW).

We will set the cars up for the photo shoot in front of the mansion 
and you can explore the grounds etc. Depending on the weather and if 
we have access to the mansion and bathrooms. We will have David's 
DeLorean Detailing course and Rob Gradys DeLorean inspection at the 
mansion (around 1:00) or we will Caravan back to the hotel, check in 
and do these evens back at the hotel. There is also a shopping mall 
on the hotel grounds open till 6:00PM. Westin Princeton Hotel  (609) 
452-7900 201 Village Boulevard, Princeton, NJ 08540 

Dinner at 6:30 at Good Time Charley's
40 Main Street, Kingston, NJ (609) 924-7400

Dinner is $30 per person and is a complete dinner (a cash bar is 

After dinner we will head back to the hotel, there is a lounge in the 
Lobby and a retro Polyesters club on the premises.

 Sunday Oct 20th

Breakfast at the hotel and check out. We will caravan from the hotel 
around 11:45 am to New Hope PA. We will be parking on the NJ side at 
Lambertville Station. Parking is approximately $5. If you eat at 
Lambertville Station I think you still get a credit towards dinner so 
save your receipt. New Hope is a great town with lots to do and see.

Don't forget your FM two way radios we will be on channel 12!
(please bring an extra radio if you have them).


Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:53:43 -0000
From: "stupadazzo2002" <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean financing

"ask" hecklerkochgmbh WROTE:

>(SNIP) I was going to wait and pay for a DeLorean in cash but I just 
cant bring myself to wait. What if I die tomorrow? Then I will never 
get a chance to even drive one!! So Im gonna pay for it the long way. 
Wish me luck guys!


Heh, well, it sounds as if you're about to get what you deserve for 
NOT waiting.  You'll pay dearly (from the pocketbook in the long-run) 
for hurrying into this deal.  But... I can only say this.  I know for 
a fact that you will NOT understand what I mean for maybe another 
year or so when it all catches up with you.  So I don't expect you to 
understand at this point.

When it comes to DeLoreans you DEFINETELY get what you pay for.  
You'll find thirty or so owners who will tell you the same thing.  
Buy a DeLorean that is as close to finished as possible or you WILL 
pay big bucks getting it to where it's even acceptable to be 
classified as a "good" car.

There's nothing like making car payments for four years on a car 
that "suddenly" needs $5000 in repairs, heh.  Yeah, you'll like 
that...  Still paying for a car that you now need to borrow MORE 
money to pay for the repairs.

If you can't afford to buy the car with cash you DEFINETELY won't be 
able to afford to fix it when it comes time.  Which is obviously 
immediately from what you wrote.

Mine was in pretty good condition when I bought it.  It needed much 
less than what you've described yours as needing.  It was driveable 
and very good looking inside and out.  The first time I did minor 
repairs it was $5000, the second time it was $3200, and just this 
spring I spent (no joking here) $14000.  Each time for little things 
all considered minor repairs.  Well, I did have the crush zone 
replaced so you can discount $2000 if you want for that.

Personally I'd never buy a DeLorean (or any other car) that needed a 
bunch of repairs for no other reason than because "I couldn't wait".

You'd be better off waiting and finding one that is in much better 
condition.  Trust me there's tons of them out there for sale in much 
better condition than what you're describing.  And there'll still be 
many, many out there whwen you can better afford it.



Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:07:01 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <>
Subject: HT Lead question

Hi all, 

I have just replaced my distributor cap and rotor and my HT leads. I 
got them from a local motor store, so called `performance Hot-Wire HT 
Anyway the chap in the shop recognised that the engine was Renault 30 
when I said it was a DeLorean which I found quite surprising and sure 
enough in his book he had a list of all the correct length leads 
required for the engine.  

I had the originals with me to compare and they were correct, however 
when he showed me the `coil wire' it did not look the same as the 
original. The original coil wire has a sort of braided stainless 
steel sheath running from the coil end about 4 inches along the lead. 
This then has a wire that seems to earth onto the rear of the intake 
manifold. The one the chap in the shop showed me was just the same as 
the other HT leads.

So what is the significance of the braid and earth wire on the 
original coil wire? I assume it is still required.

Has anyone else found this to be a problem when replacing the leads?


James RG


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