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Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:53 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Tim Machine... Almost done.
From: Travis Goodwin <>

2. ATTN: Payne -- what's the news?
From: "content22207" <>


4. Re: DMC found at original dealership! legal issues...
From: "Alex " <>

5. RE: bhp of stock Delorean?
From: "Chris Parnham" <>

6. RE: Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)
From: "Chris Parnham" <>

7. Window track and lock libkage alignment

8. Re: Early notice - show and shine

9. Re: Delorian Question I have had for some time...
From: David Cox <>

10. Re: Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

11. Re: ATTN: Payne -- what's the news?
From: "Payne" <>

12. Re: Delorean Jacket
From: "content22207" <>

13. Re: JZD at foliage tour?
From: "turbodmc3113" <>

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:16:51 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <>
Subject: Tim Machine... Almost done.

It's been a while since I've made and update. This update includes:

1. The finished section behind the seat
2. The boxes that sit on the T-panel
3. How to attach the pipe brackets

I hope to have pictures of the pipes for tomorrow.




Message: 2
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:53:28 -0000
From: "content22207" <>
Subject: ATTN: Payne -- what's the news?

What's the news Re: vacuum leak? Is no news good news?

Bill Robertson


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:51:23 EDT


Its been a while and a lot of things have changed in the World of DeLoreans.  
The Delorean Car Show took a whole new turn in Memphis as we had many of the Custom DeLoreans at the show in addition to the Daily Drivers and Concours cars.

Many of you on this list never got to go to the show and many more of you 
wanted more details than just pictures on a web page can do.

The time has come I believe to fill a gap in coverage of our cars by 
introducing to you

This magazine will be produced by DeLorean Car Show Inc. and cover Car Shows 
and events.  The main focus is the DeLorean Car Show and the events that lead 
up to it.

The entire DeLorean Community is going in different directions and I believe 
that the average DeLorean owner wants a magazine that deals with the fun 
aspects of the cars.  

This magazine will feature in its first issue The Memphis Show with many of 
the cars seen at the show and it will also give you a bit of insight on the 
Pigeon Forge Show that seems to be growing at a faster rate than Memphis.  In 
addition we will have an article from George Crane who spoke at the Memphis show on Friday night.  He was the former DMC Factory worker that I have had many
requests to bring back for Pigeon Forge.

I am asking at this point for DML members to submit articles that relate to the Memphis Show. What I wish to do now and in the future is to have anyone at the show send me a picture of themselves and their car, and if you didn't have a car yourselves, then with a car and a brief description of who you are and where you are from.  I will publish these in each issue.  

If you did not attend but wish to show us your car, please do so as well.

This is your magazine and you are what makes this car interesting,

I would also like each of the 11 or 12 Delorean groups I count around the country to write an article about your group.  The shows you did the past year (yes with pictures) and what you plan to do in the future leading up to Pigeon Forge.

Advertising Space will be available for ALL the vendors and is available now.

The magazine will heavily feature the Cars and the People of the show and 
will act more as a doucmentary and a view of upcoming shows.  As of now I 
plan one issue a year but that can change depending on my advertising needs.

We will accept written articles, Photos, or electronic files and pictures.  
Electronic pictures should be 2.1 megapixel or greater and 600dpi or above is 
preferred.  MS word is preferred but we can take many other forms of 
We prefer written text to be sent electronically.

We will work with this as we go along to see how well these files turn out.

Remember this is your magazine and if we all work together we can have a fun 
time doing it and we can properly document the greatest Delorean Owners and 
Enthusiasts of all time for generations to come.  

This magazine will be like no other - you have my promise !!! 
(That could be good or bad LOL)

More Details will follow and the web page will be updated soon.

The cost and release date have been determined but it will not be announced 
until I see how much material we recieve probably in mid to late November. 

So please send in your pictures and articles to: 

DeLorean Car Show Inc.
C/O DeLorean Car Show Magazine
4500 Woodland Dr
Mason, Oh 45040

Address is also on the web page at

   Ken Koncelik

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:53:07 -0000
From: "Alex " <>
Subject: Re: DMC found at original dealership! legal issues...

before you do any work on this, get a "letter of intent" from this 
dealer you are talking with. It will only help later if there are 
any problems.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "stupadazzo2002" <mopar2me_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Well, I would think talking to the IRS directly would obviously be 
> the first move you need to make.
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Zack Maze" <zack_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> > he doesnt know who to talk to about removing the lean on the car.
> > im praying and hoping here that one of you could let me know what
> > to do, who to talk to, where to start, ANYTHING would be
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > hey... thanks for reading this mess, and im looking forward to
> > your responses!
> > 
> > -Zack
> > 
> > "New cars have no soul..."


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:11:08 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <>
Subject: RE: bhp of stock Delorean?

I can only assume that the 120BHP was because it was a "new " car that had
sat around for 20 years. Has anyone else tested a stock, very low miles car?

Chris P DOC UK

-----Original Message-----
From: []
Subject: [DML] bhp of stock Delorean?

Hello Chris!

I'm a little confused, I thought a stock Delorean had approx. 135 hp?

Is there a difference between hp and bhp? Or what else is the reason for
this difference?

Ralf Philipp


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:18:45 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <>
Subject: RE: Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)

No the engine was not removed!  It was all done on a normal rolling road, I
don't know the intricacies of how it was all calculated. I think the 20 %
increase is the interesting bit.

Regarding noise, at 3000 revs at 6 foot from the car the decibel level was
100, at 5000 revs it was 106 decibels.  That is the medium system.  No I'm
not into computers sufficiently to record it!

The loud system needed ear protectors at 5000 revs!!

Chris P DOC UK

-----Original Message-----
From: dcsj4465 []
Subject: [DML] Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)

At the flywheel hp?
Did you actually remove the engine from a car and hook it to a dyno?

Or, Was this done on a wheel(chassis)dyno and corrected for
drivetrain losses? Can you be more specific?

Please define Medium loud as opposed to the standard American exhaust
sound? Is there any chance of downloading sound clip of the system
running at idle and revved up?


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:22:27 EDT
Subject: Window track and lock libkage alignment


I am the new owner of 6530

The drivers side window worked a few times, then the felt fell out, then it 
wouldn't go up all the way.  It seems that the front plastic guide has come 
off the track.  Is there any info out there on how to get it back?

Also is there info on how to adjust the lock linkages?

Thank you,


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:45:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Early notice - show and shine

There is an open house in Houston on May 9-10-11 and beyond that I don't 
think there is anything else.

My show is in 2004 so it looks at least from the major shows you should be 
If I can I would like to attend 
I like Canada


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:50:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Cox <>
Subject: Re: Delorian Question I have had for some time...

Carson Clark wrote:
>Very quickly for a background of myself, I have owned an '83 DMC back
>a couple of years ago and really loved the car.  I sold it when i
>moved from the west coast, and yes I have regretted it.  
I bought vin 16367 from Carson in August, 00 and have continued to have much fun with it since then.  (No Carson, you can't have it back!)  To tie in with the recent questions from prospective buyers, even though this car was in very good shape and was regularly driven, I have poured quite a bit of money into it since I bought it.  This should not be taken as criticism of Carson's maintenance of the car - much of it is simply the result of the passage of time.  For example, my car is currently at Don's in Garden Grove, waiting for me to pick it up on Saturday.  My a/c had been working fine, but became noticeably less effective as the summer wore on.  I figured it was just in need of a recharge, but on checking, it turned out that the a/c hoses were starting to fail from age.  So now I have new hoses and they should hopefully hold up for another couple of decades.  This is the kind of thing that people were talking about when they said that you will need a cash reserve with this car.

vin 16367

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:32:44 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: Re: SS Free Flow Exhaust (and photos)

Hi Dennis

I did not conduct the tests. They were done by Mark Bourne, DOC tech advisor. They were
conducted on a rolling road and all the figures were extrapolated from the "at the wheel"
figure. I can't comment on how, but I'm sure this place knows what they're doing.

I have a large change in the web page on the exhaust to upload, but as of this afternoon
the site was down because my ISP was having problems. I will be uploading it tomorrow,
and you'll have Mark's original text on the tests.

I would love to record the sound of the new exhaust - I will try but don't hold your
breath. I know the fully loud system is louder than with no silencer at all (!) - the
medium system is "racey" rather than the burbling of, say, the Island silencers. Or you
could have one with the same note as the stock system, but properly baffled (ie



Message: 11
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:41:51 -0700
From: "Payne" <>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Payne -- what's the news?

Thank you for taking an interest in my problem!  The reason I haven't posted
any update is because I'm still waiting for a part.  I have got the new
gaskets for the "W" pipe and am replacing some vacuum lines.  I still need
the idle speed motor connector but I've already talked to John Hervey at and it's on it's way.  It's just a matter of waiting.

I just have one question that someone may be able to clear up.  Right now
the car has very little power below approximately 3,000 RPM.  As soon as it
gains in engine speed, she feels like her old self again.  I thought I had
the vacuum leak fixed, but is this even characteristic of a vacuum leak?

I miss driving her every day.  Even after over a year and a half of
ownership, ever day I'm not driving it I wish I were.  She's not perfect,
but I'll get her there someday.

Thanks again!  Further bulletins as events warrant.


> What's the news Re: vacuum leak? Is no news good news?
> Bill Robertson
> #5939


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:44:00 -0000
From: "content22207" <>
Subject: Re: Delorean Jacket

(Moderator Note - Kevin's eMail address is: delorean"AT" 

To save bandwidth, could you restate your eMail as delorean "AT"
whatever? (so people can respond direct rather than thru list).

Some of us read the list thru Yahoo, and they truncate eMail addresses.

Bill Robertson

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> It's getting chilly out there!  I recently bought a gray and black
> baseball jacket, and had the DMC logo embroidered onto it to keep warm,
> and look cool while driving my car around.
> If anyone is interested, I can get the same jacket with logo stitched on
> for you for $85 total.
> Here is some pictures:
> Kevin Abato
> Vin #16680


Message: 13
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:18:18 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <>
Subject: Re: JZD at foliage tour?

Regarding John DeLorean at this years Fall Tour.
All I can say right now is that JZD is in the area. Someone will be 
meeting with him on Friday and I have asked that person to see if he 
can get Mr. John DeLorean to join us at some point.

Please note a few facts.
1. Because the former DeLorean property has been sold to Donald 
   Trump, this will probably be the last time the DeLorean photo 
   opportunity at the mansion will ever happen
2. John DeLorean is supposed to be in the area of the tour this 
3. Assuming I have previously arranged to have John at this tour, 
   part of that agreement would be that I keep it quiet so that 
   it does 
   not become a mob scene. This would benefit the people who had
   planned to be at a DeLorean event for the sake of a DeLorean car
   show and not just people trying to get John to sign something for
4. If John DeLorean shows up at some point on this tour, I think it 
   is unlikely that he will be with us for the whole two days to say
   the least (he can use one of my radios set to channel 3 if he 
   wants to join the caravan:) and more likely a relatively short
   amount of time. 
   This time some of you may have noticed that I have not been  
   promoting this event as much as I did in the past to keep things
   to a manageable size.  Looks like we could have 20 DeLoreans  
   based  on e-mails BTW.
5. Lets face it, if I did have John show up as a surprise guest, it 
   would not only be a history making event in the DeLorean world but 
   Future DeLorean Fall Foliage Tours would certainly take on major 
   event status from this point on.

So to answer the question all I can say is that the 3rd Annual 
DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour has the best chance of having John show up 
out of any of the past Fall Tours. I am not saying John DeLorean will 
be there or not, but this time it is a possibility.

Come to the tour to enjoy the cars and the people, if you get to meet 
JZD that's just a bonus.
If you only want to come out to meet the man stay home and let the 
real DeLorean enthusiasts meet him if he shows.


Mike D.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., njp548_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I heard that since the foliage tour this year will be at JZD's old 
house and 
> that since he still lives in the area will he be attending?


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