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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1253
Date: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:01 AM

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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean 2
From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>

2. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>

3. Re: A few quick questions
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>

4. gas mileage anyone?
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

6. Speedometer
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>

7. Re: Digest Number 1251
From: Montgomery Gabrys <mgabrys_at_dml_indiego.ntw.net>

8. refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: porting and polishing, and other mods
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

10. bricklin question
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Parking Brake Light Switch
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: gas mileage anyone?
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

13. Re: Parking Brake Light Switch
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

14. AW: gas mileage anyone?
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

15. Re: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

16. Re: gas mileage anyone?
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

17. Re: gas mileage anyone?
From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>

18. RE: JZD
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

19. RE: Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

20. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

21. Re: gas mileage anyone?
From: beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com

22. Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour III Official Web Page
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

23. Re: Parking Brake Light Switch
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:22:04 -0400
From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean 2

That is indeed good news.... if it does happen I will be very tempted 
to sink 1/4 million into the company.  I would dream of owning my own 
dealership, but do not have the cash to do so.  If anyone in the Mid 
Atlantic Region is interested, please email me privately, or post back 
with your email address.  I think dealerships cost around a million 
even to build.....

Michael

Owner of Mismatched Numbers Literally


On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 06:16  PM, Bob Brandys wrote:

> The Wall Street Journal last thursday mentioned in the business section
> that JZD is an trying to introduce a new high performance sports car.
>
> That's a pretty credible source.   It just might happen!
>
> John's health is supposed to have significantly improved from what he
> was like in Cleveland.
>
> BOB



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Message: 2
Date: 26 Oct 2002 17:53:18 +0100
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site

There is plenty of different places mentioned as to where the dies currently reside, but I believe the actual location is just off Kilciaran harbour in south Connemara. I went there a few years ago and saw the circular lobster nets that they are supposed to be weighting down. I took a few shots at the time. They aren't too far off the coast, maybe two hundred yards. 

Nick



On 10/25/02 6:45 PM, john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>Anyone know the gps coordinates for the location where they dumped 
>the DeLorean molds an stuff.I would be intrested to know how far 
>off shore they put them and in what depth.I have a friend who dives 
>all over the world and maybe I could get him to dive it and even 
>bring somethin back!I wonder what exactly was dumped just the big 
>stuff or all the tooling.
>email me directly if you want a quick reply



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:08:51 -0000
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: A few quick questions

Oh, I forgot to say why I thought it was the motor mount. The car 
just had a $12,000 engine rebuild _at_dml_ Delorean one less that 100 miles 
ago with a few other things as well "I looked at the invoice and 
thought for a second it was from Ferrari of Beverly Hills." They 
remachined everything and went over the whole engine pretty much but 
get this..... only one of the two motor mounts is new. I guess 
mistakes happen in the garage and that's understandable but just 
thought both would be replaced go figure. Back to the transmission, 
thank you very much David. I will look at the first thing as it's a 
major concern for me and I appreciate the help. While on the subject 
of the shifter gate what's easiest way to get access to is? Just 
remove the screw and pull up or do I need to take the whole console 
out of the car?

Matthew Stits
Vin 0789


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Your first question: shakes _at_dml_ idle & at speed. You probably need a 
> tune-up and get the motor correctly set-up at idle. Engine mounts 
will 
> not cause this.
>  Second question on shifting: There is no interlock between the 
brakes 
> and the shifter like on most modern cars. There is a shifter gate 
to 
> keep you from moving the gear selector from Park to reverse  and 
> neutral to reverse without pressing the release on the gear 
selector. 
> If the shifter gate isn't operational it may only need to be 
> disassembled and cleaned.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757 Automatic

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: gas mileage anyone?

I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than the ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an inline 6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I need to know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:31:49 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model

Greetings, I had some problems with the ISP that was hosting my site 
and unfortunately had to take down my server. I did make a back up of 
the site and am now running it off my personal PC through my 
broadband connection. It can be found here:

http://headbangdude.dynu.com/88mph/index.html

Since this is running off my own PC, if i have trouble with it, it 
will not be up.For now though, it should be accessable most of the 
time.

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> I have the Delorean Sunstar model. One of the doors does not stay up
> and I need to adjust it. There are some instruction on Sinstar's
> website (88-mph.com) but I've not been able to access the site. Can
> someone email me the instructions?
> Thanks
> 
> Shannon




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:02:38 -0400
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Speedometer

Speedometer the other day.

Now is the new adapter cup metal or plastic?
The speedometer angle drive has been striped and will need
replacing.  But I cant see how I can got the old one out, is it a big
job?
Or is there a better way of doing this? or any mods that can be done?

Thanks

Mark



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:20:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: Montgomery Gabrys <mgabrys_at_dml_indiego.ntw.net>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1251

[MODERATOR NOTE: PLEASE SHOW RESTRAINT ON VIDEO GAME POSTS!  - moderator Mike Substelny]

To the person who quoted a lengthy story on why Rockstar / DMA won't have
a DeLorean in the upcoming game "Grand Theft Auto - Vice City", as
I expected and pointed out previously in a deleted - you were
wrong. The latest book-guide about the aforementioned game clearly 
displays a DeLorean look-alike called the "Deluxo" much like all the other
imitation 80s cars with non-trademarked names.

Curious why a long fabrication from this list attempted to claim
otherwise, with tales of "dialogue between DMC Houston and Rockstar". I
severly doubt Rockstar even knows this list - or DMC Houston even exists.

Sorry to go "video game" on this point, but the previously posted -
incorrect "rumor" has migrated into other newslists verbatem from this
place so I wanted to clarify the "rumor" in advance of others.

Monty Gabrys
mgabrys_at_dml_netherworld.com






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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:06:29 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?

Hey all,

two questions:
1.  i want to refinish my muffler.  it looks like it is rusty even though it 
really isn't since it's stainless.... i don't need it to look like chrome, i 
just want it to look like it is new again.  is a muffler best painted, or is 
there a polishing job that can be done? i'd obviously bring this to a 
specialist.

2.  i'm interested in the catalytic converter straightpipe since i live in a 
state without emissions testing.  it would be ideal to do this job when i 
refinish the muffler.  is this a very difficult job?  are the bolts typically 
quite rusty and solid?  also - are there any downsides to removing the cat 
besides higher hydrocarbon emissions?

any thoughts are welcome!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: porting and polishing, and other mods

On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, spaceace3113 wrote:

> the link to island turbos site? i know they were working on one, lastly
> is intercooling so hard on the delorean? has it been done?? thank you

Last I knew Island did not have a website, but I haven't followed them 
closely lately.

As far as intercooling, no, there's no fundamental problem with it.  The
Legend turbo setup had twin intercoolers.  There is plenty of air
available by putting airscoops on the side engine compartment vents (even
without scoops there may be enough air).  Another option would be an
air-to-water intercooler with the radiator located with the main radiator
in the front or in some place where there is lots of air available.

The Island turbo kit does not run enough boost to need intercoolers, which 
are usually only needed above 7 or 8 PSI.  But a turbo kit aiming for more 
power should have them.




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: bricklin question

[Moderator note: I approved this message because I know that a number of DMLers own both cars and can answer John's questions, or guide him to another forum where he may find answers.  Please respond to him by private email.  -moderator Mike Substelny]
 

Hey you guys I am buying a DeLorean and I am considering buying a Bricklin next. Anyone here have some comments or feedback regarding the bricklin? Is it a good running car parts easily acquired etc.
 
thanks



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:27:55 EST
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Parking Brake Light Switch

Does any have information on how to adjust the Parking Brake Light Switch?  
Or how to get to it?  My Light comes on unless I hold down the parking brake 
lever.

Dave
6530


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:36:53 -0800
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I've experienced around 18-20 mpg, but it varies greatly based on my driving
habits.  Lately it's all been city mileage and I allow the car to warm up
for a bit.  I used to be concerned with fuel mileage with the car since my
last vehicle was an Acura 4 cylinder, but the more I drove the car, the less
I cared about gas money.  The sheer pleasure of driving this beautifull
machine makes it all worth it.

payne


> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than the
ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an inline
6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I need to
know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.
>






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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:53:34 -0000
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake Light Switch

I had the same problem.  Check that the rubber surround for the handbrake is
flush at the point where the release button meets the rubber.  If not
wriggle the rubber sleave surround up towards the button.  This will allow
the handbrake to drop just that little bit more to allow the light to go
out.

The carpet pouch should be pushed down too as it tends to work its way up
quite a bit.

Chris
5255

----- Original Message -----
From: <doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: [DML] Parking Brake Light Switch


> Does any have information on how to adjust the Parking Brake Light Switch?
> Or how to get to it?  My Light comes on unless I hold down the parking
brake
> lever.
>
> Dave
> 6530



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:59:40 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: gas mileage anyone?

I can tell you what my one likes for breakfast.
Between 9.5 and 10.5 Liters for 100km driven normaly to work and in the
usual traffic (countryside). That's about 6.2 miles per Liter or 23.5 miles
per gallon. On the autobahn with 120mph it needs about 13 Liters, still
acceptable if not everyday.
Not too bad, people here in germany always think it needs twice as much
because it is an american car...
...but it has an european motor ;-)

ELV1S & 6548

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: john fredt [mailto:hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Oktober 2002 22:25
An: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [DML] gas mileage anyone?


> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas mileage
> what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than the ford
> fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an inline 6cyl
> carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I need to know
> how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:17:07 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?

Hi Andy

If you have a look at this article I wrote about exhaust gaskets I went into some detail
on removing the exhaust. Taking the cat out is quite difficult because you have to remove
the crossover pipe from the manifolds in order to access the upper right cat mounting
nut.

http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/exhaustgasket.html

As to refinishing the silencer, over here you can buy high temperature paint in a silver
shade - I did my heat stove with it till I decided to leave it out anyway... I can't
vouch for its lifespan though. I believe there's a ceramic coating process but I can't
see the point *personally*.

Martin
#1458
#4426

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> two questions:
> 1.  i want to refinish my muffler.  it looks like it is rusty even though it
> really isn't since it's stainless.... i don't need it to look like chrome, i
> just want it to look like it is new again.  is a muffler best painted, or is
> there a polishing job that can be done? i'd obviously bring this to a
> specialist.
>
> 2.  i'm interested in the catalytic converter straightpipe since i live in a
> state without emissions testing.  it would be ideal to do this job when i
> refinish the muffler.  is this a very difficult job?  are the bolts typically
> quite rusty and solid?  also - are there any downsides to removing the cat
> besides higher hydrocarbon emissions?
>
> any thoughts are welcome!
> Andy




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:38:03 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I get around 20mpg city, and 25mpg highway in mine.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 01:25 PM 10/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than
the ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an
inline 6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I
need to know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:37:10 -0500
From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I get around the same milage [18 - 20].  I havn't noticed a great 
amount of difference with better octane fuels, but I have noticed 
performance increased with 94 octane.  The best thing to remember is 
the DeLorean is not a sports car, and as long as you do not hog the 
engine you'll get good milage, as you would on any car that isn't being 
ragged when driven.

Hope this helps,

Michael


On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 01:36  PM, Payne wrote:

> I've experienced around 18-20 mpg, but it varies greatly based on my 
> driving
> habits.  Lately it's all been city mileage and I allow the car to warm 
> up
> for a bit.  I used to be concerned with fuel mileage with the car 
> since my
> last vehicle was an Acura 4 cylinder, but the more I drove the car, 
> the less
> I cared about gas money.  The sheer pleasure of driving this beautifull
> machine makes it all worth it.
>
> payne
>
>
>> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
> mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse 
> than the
> ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an 
> inline
> 6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I 
> need to
> know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:47:17 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: JZD

I am putting together a web page for the outing on the midatlantic club
site.  Look for it to be complete (with good photos) in the next few
days!

-----Original Message-----
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:52 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] JZD


> Since the Fall Foliage tour John and I have been exchanging quite
> a bit of e-mail below is a tribute to the East Coast Group.  John
> and Sally are writing an  article about the trip we had there for
> the local paper.  If you were part of the fall foliage tour and
> have a great shot of the mansion then send it to me and I will
> forward it to John for this article.   
>
>
> Ken; 
>    The photos are enjoyable.  Keep them coming.  Sally wants to know
> if there are any more of the cars in front of the house, etc.  She
> wants to send  a photo into the paper here with a few lines like
> DeLorean owners gather at Lamington Farm for start of ...... if you
> could finish the few lines for her.  Quite a few people have called
> me and said they saw a bunch of DeLoreans driving on various roads this
> weekend and it was quite a sight.  
>
> I will try to have the piece for your magazine by the end of next week. 
>
> Sally needs photo with few lines to give to paper thanks JZD



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:48:54 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model

If you want, I can post this information on the Mid Atlantic club site.
E-mail me privately to discuss.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:32 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model


Greetings, I had some problems with the ISP that was hosting my site 
and unfortunately had to take down my server. I did make a back up of 
the site and am now running it off my personal PC through my 
broadband connection. It can be found here:

http://headbangdude.dynu.com/88mph/index.html

Since this is running off my own PC, if i have trouble with it, it 
will not be up.For now though, it should be accessable most of the 
time.

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> I have the Delorean Sunstar model. One of the doors does not stay up 
> and I need to adjust it. There are some instruction on Sinstar's 
> website (88-mph.com) but I've not been able to access the site. Can 
> someone email me the instructions? Thanks
> 
> Shannon



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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:13:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!

Okay I just got to put my 2 cents in here. Does anyone
feel really saddened by the idea that the original
dies to the DeLorean are sitting on the bottom of the
stupid ocean holding fish nests from drifting away?
And on that same token we know just about where they
are? I mean this has got to be one of the worst uses
for such priceless molds. Now I understand that they
have been down there for close to 18+ years. Would it
not be interesting to have an expierenced diver go
down and examine the molds? take pictures and what not
and then possibly raise these molds from there watery
grave? Expensive endever I know. But would it not be
worthwhile to everyone who owns a DeLorean to donate a
few dollars to a fund to reclaim these molds and get
them back to DMC where they belong? This is of course
assuming that they are still in a usable condtion. Can
you imagine with these molds present once again they
could begin to stamp new fenders and doors, ending the
shortage of exterior parts. It just seems to me it is
a very very big waste. I like crabs as much as the
next guy, but let the crabs find new paper weights.

Todd
Vin 5386


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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:26:13 EST
From: beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I got an average of 30 miles per gallon (92 Octane) on my trip to the Memphis 
Car Show and I drive my Delorean the way it was intended..FAST!!!! :-) 

Chuck Darling
Vin# 6125


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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:14:50 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour III Official Web Page

OK....you saw enough postings about it, so now is your chance to
see/relive the Delorean Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage tour!
 
Our club's official web page for the event is up and running (sorry it
took so long!)
 
Check it out!
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/scrapbook/falltour3/index.htm


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:41:45 -0500
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake Light Switch

Mine was like that too when I first bought mine.  I found the problem to be
some fabric was getting in the way of the lever, so i just trimmed some
fabric off and it works fine now.  Check to see if anything is blocking the
lever from going down all the way.

Hope that helps
  Willie
  Vin 5043

----- Original Message -----
From: <doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:27 AM
Subject: [DML] Parking Brake Light Switch


> Does any have information on how to adjust the Parking Brake Light Switch?
> Or how to get to it?  My Light comes on unless I hold down the parking
brake
> lever.
>
> Dave
> 6530



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