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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1254
Date: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:55 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: gas mileage anyone?
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Re: Re: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: Digest Number 1253
From: "Avi" <ksarfaraz123_at_dml_attbi.com>

4. SS Louvers
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>

5. RE: RE: Hello Everyone
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

7. I'm looking for a damaged left rear fender
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

8. Re: A few quick questions
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Parking Brake Light Switch
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

11. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
From: "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

12. In Charlotte
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

13. Take Heart! Slow Corrosion in Salt Water
From: "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:39:46 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

Gas mileage is subject to a lot of variables. These include:
Automatic or 5-speed
Tire size and type and pressure
Alignment or lack of
Driving style or lack of
Geography like San Francisco or Phoenix
City or highway driving
Weather
State of tune of the engine [VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!]
 I have found my automatic to average approx 20 miles/gallon and I 
personally know of 5-speeds that average 26 miles/gallon. In general a 
5-speed will get significantly better mileage especially with highway 
driving because of the overdrive ratio in 5th gear. Unless you plan on 
putting a lot of miles on the car you really don't need to be 
concerned with mileage. The main reason to watch it is if anything is 
going wrong with the car the mileage is a sure indication of a problem 
if it changes significantly. This is good advice on any car you drive.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas 
mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse 
than the ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank 
it was an inline 6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D 
around alot so I need to know how much its gonna cost to feed the 
beast.




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 04:19:32 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Re: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?

I was able to reach all four flange nuts with a long extension (I
think it was 12") from the front side of the cross member. Turned
without a cheater. 

This weekend I was able to compare my gutted converter against a stock
exhaust system. No comparison. Even if less efficient than a straight
pipe, is a gazillion times freer than factory. Is MUCH cooler too.

Re: fuel economy -- try mistiming your vehicle (the notches on my
Volvo block aren't labeled -- thank goodness I FINALLY stumbled across
page C:05:03) and compensating by cranking up the fuel mixture. Drops
to 13-14 mpg.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hi Andy
> 
> If you have a look at this article I wrote about exhaust gaskets I
went into some detail
> on removing the exhaust. Taking the cat out is quite difficult
because you have to remove
> the crossover pipe from the manifolds in order to access the upper
right cat mounting
> nut.
> 
> http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/exhaustgasket.html
> 
> As to refinishing the silencer, over here you can buy high
temperature paint in a silver
> shade - I did my heat stove with it till I decided to leave it out
anyway... I can't
> vouch for its lifespan though. I believe there's a ceramic coating
process but I can't
> see the point *personally*.
> 
> Martin
> #1458
> #4426
> 
> Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > two questions:
> > 1.  i want to refinish my muffler.  it looks like it is rusty even
though it
> > really isn't since it's stainless.... i don't need it to look like
chrome, i
> > just want it to look like it is new again.  is a muffler best
painted, or is
> > there a polishing job that can be done? i'd obviously bring this to a
> > specialist.
> >
> > 2.  i'm interested in the catalytic converter straightpipe since i
live in a
> > state without emissions testing.  it would be ideal to do this job
when i
> > refinish the muffler.  is this a very difficult job?  are the
bolts typically
> > quite rusty and solid?  also - are there any downsides to removing
the cat
> > besides higher hydrocarbon emissions?
> >
> > any thoughts are welcome!
> > Andy




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:01:39 -1100
From: "Avi" <ksarfaraz123_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1253

Dealership Construction depends on Your Tastes,

A Totally Extravagant (Brand new BMW/Ferrari ) Dealership That Would be
worthy of carring our Beloved DMC-2s would cost arround 1million figure. If
you are smaller, like your generic car lot. IT would cost around 250k.

A Dealership like
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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1253


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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: DeLorean 2
           From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>
      2. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site
           From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>
      3. Re: A few quick questions
           From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
      4. gas mileage anyone?
           From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
      5. Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model
           From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
      6. Speedometer
           From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>
      7. Re: Digest Number 1251
           From: Montgomery Gabrys <mgabrys_at_dml_indiego.ntw.net>
      8. refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?
           From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
      9. Re: porting and polishing, and other mods
           From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
     10. bricklin question
           From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
     11. Parking Brake Light Switch
           From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
     12. Re: gas mileage anyone?
           From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
     13. Re: Parking Brake Light Switch
           From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
     14. AW: gas mileage anyone?
           From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
     15. Re: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?
           From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
     16. Re: gas mileage anyone?
           From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
     17. Re: gas mileage anyone?
           From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>
     18. RE: JZD
           From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
     19. RE: Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model
           From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
     20. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
           From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
     21. Re: gas mileage anyone?
           From: beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com
     22. Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour III Official Web Page
           From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
     23. Re: Parking Brake Light Switch
           From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:22:04 -0400
From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean 2

That is indeed good news.... if it does happen I will be very tempted
to sink 1/4 million into the company.  I would dream of owning my own
dealership, but do not have the cash to do so.  If anyone in the Mid
Atlantic Region is interested, please email me privately, or post back
with your email address.  I think dealerships cost around a million
even to build.....

Michael

Owner of Mismatched Numbers Literally


On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 06:16  PM, Bob Brandys wrote:

> The Wall Street Journal last thursday mentioned in the business section
> that JZD is an trying to introduce a new high performance sports car.
>
> That's a pretty credible source.   It just might happen!
>
> John's health is supposed to have significantly improved from what he
> was like in Cleveland.
>
> BOB



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Message: 2
Date: 26 Oct 2002 17:53:18 +0100
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site

There is plenty of different places mentioned as to where the dies currently
reside, but I believe the actual location is just off Kilciaran harbour in
south Connemara. I went there a few years ago and saw the circular lobster
nets that they are supposed to be weighting down. I took a few shots at the
time. They aren't too far off the coast, maybe two hundred yards.

Nick



On 10/25/02 6:45 PM, john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Anyone know the gps coordinates for the location where they dumped
>the DeLorean molds an stuff.I would be intrested to know how far
>off shore they put them and in what depth.I have a friend who dives
>all over the world and maybe I could get him to dive it and even
>bring somethin back!I wonder what exactly was dumped just the big
>stuff or all the tooling.
>email me directly if you want a quick reply



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:08:51 -0000
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: A few quick questions

Oh, I forgot to say why I thought it was the motor mount. The car
just had a $12,000 engine rebuild _at_dml_ Delorean one less that 100 miles
ago with a few other things as well "I looked at the invoice and
thought for a second it was from Ferrari of Beverly Hills." They
remachined everything and went over the whole engine pretty much but
get this..... only one of the two motor mounts is new. I guess
mistakes happen in the garage and that's understandable but just
thought both would be replaced go figure. Back to the transmission,
thank you very much David. I will look at the first thing as it's a
major concern for me and I appreciate the help. While on the subject
of the shifter gate what's easiest way to get access to is? Just
remove the screw and pull up or do I need to take the whole console
out of the car?

Matthew Stits
Vin 0789


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Your first question: shakes _at_dml_ idle & at speed. You probably need a
> tune-up and get the motor correctly set-up at idle. Engine mounts
will
> not cause this.
>  Second question on shifting: There is no interlock between the
brakes
> and the shifter like on most modern cars. There is a shifter gate
to
> keep you from moving the gear selector from Park to reverse  and
> neutral to reverse without pressing the release on the gear
selector.
> If the shifter gate isn't operational it may only need to be
> disassembled and cleaned.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757 Automatic

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: gas mileage anyone?

I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas mileage
what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than the ford
fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an inline 6cyl
carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I need to know
how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:31:49 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model

Greetings, I had some problems with the ISP that was hosting my site
and unfortunately had to take down my server. I did make a back up of
the site and am now running it off my personal PC through my
broadband connection. It can be found here:

http://headbangdude.dynu.com/88mph/index.html

Since this is running off my own PC, if i have trouble with it, it
will not be up.For now though, it should be accessable most of the
time.

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> I have the Delorean Sunstar model. One of the doors does not stay up
> and I need to adjust it. There are some instruction on Sinstar's
> website (88-mph.com) but I've not been able to access the site. Can
> someone email me the instructions?
> Thanks
>
> Shannon




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:02:38 -0400
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Speedometer

Speedometer the other day.

Now is the new adapter cup metal or plastic?
The speedometer angle drive has been striped and will need
replacing.  But I cant see how I can got the old one out, is it a big
job?
Or is there a better way of doing this? or any mods that can be done?

Thanks

Mark



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:20:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: Montgomery Gabrys <mgabrys_at_dml_indiego.ntw.net>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1251

[MODERATOR NOTE: PLEASE SHOW RESTRAINT ON VIDEO GAME POSTS!  - moderator
Mike Substelny]

To the person who quoted a lengthy story on why Rockstar / DMA won't have
a DeLorean in the upcoming game "Grand Theft Auto - Vice City", as
I expected and pointed out previously in a deleted - you were
wrong. The latest book-guide about the aforementioned game clearly
displays a DeLorean look-alike called the "Deluxo" much like all the other
imitation 80s cars with non-trademarked names.

Curious why a long fabrication from this list attempted to claim
otherwise, with tales of "dialogue between DMC Houston and Rockstar". I
severly doubt Rockstar even knows this list - or DMC Houston even exists.

Sorry to go "video game" on this point, but the previously posted -
incorrect "rumor" has migrated into other newslists verbatem from this
place so I wanted to clarify the "rumor" in advance of others.

Monty Gabrys
mgabrys_at_dml_netherworld.com






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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:06:29 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?

Hey all,

two questions:
1.  i want to refinish my muffler.  it looks like it is rusty even though it
really isn't since it's stainless.... i don't need it to look like chrome, i
just want it to look like it is new again.  is a muffler best painted, or is
there a polishing job that can be done? i'd obviously bring this to a
specialist.

2.  i'm interested in the catalytic converter straightpipe since i live in a
state without emissions testing.  it would be ideal to do this job when i
refinish the muffler.  is this a very difficult job?  are the bolts
typically
quite rusty and solid?  also - are there any downsides to removing the cat
besides higher hydrocarbon emissions?

any thoughts are welcome!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: porting and polishing, and other mods

On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, spaceace3113 wrote:

> the link to island turbos site? i know they were working on one, lastly
> is intercooling so hard on the delorean? has it been done?? thank you

Last I knew Island did not have a website, but I haven't followed them
closely lately.

As far as intercooling, no, there's no fundamental problem with it.  The
Legend turbo setup had twin intercoolers.  There is plenty of air
available by putting airscoops on the side engine compartment vents (even
without scoops there may be enough air).  Another option would be an
air-to-water intercooler with the radiator located with the main radiator
in the front or in some place where there is lots of air available.

The Island turbo kit does not run enough boost to need intercoolers, which
are usually only needed above 7 or 8 PSI.  But a turbo kit aiming for more
power should have them.




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: bricklin question

[Moderator note: I approved this message because I know that a number of
DMLers own both cars and can answer John's questions, or guide him to
another forum where he may find answers.  Please respond to him by private
email.  -moderator Mike Substelny]


Hey you guys I am buying a DeLorean and I am considering buying a Bricklin
next. Anyone here have some comments or feedback regarding the bricklin? Is
it a good running car parts easily acquired etc.

thanks



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:27:55 EST
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Parking Brake Light Switch

Does any have information on how to adjust the Parking Brake Light Switch?
Or how to get to it?  My Light comes on unless I hold down the parking brake
lever.

Dave
6530


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:36:53 -0800
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I've experienced around 18-20 mpg, but it varies greatly based on my driving
habits.  Lately it's all been city mileage and I allow the car to warm up
for a bit.  I used to be concerned with fuel mileage with the car since my
last vehicle was an Acura 4 cylinder, but the more I drove the car, the less
I cared about gas money.  The sheer pleasure of driving this beautifull
machine makes it all worth it.

payne


> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than the
ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an inline
6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I need to
know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.
>






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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:53:34 -0000
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake Light Switch

I had the same problem.  Check that the rubber surround for the handbrake is
flush at the point where the release button meets the rubber.  If not
wriggle the rubber sleave surround up towards the button.  This will allow
the handbrake to drop just that little bit more to allow the light to go
out.

The carpet pouch should be pushed down too as it tends to work its way up
quite a bit.

Chris
5255

----- Original Message -----
From: <doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: [DML] Parking Brake Light Switch


> Does any have information on how to adjust the Parking Brake Light Switch?
> Or how to get to it?  My Light comes on unless I hold down the parking
brake
> lever.
>
> Dave
> 6530



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:59:40 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: gas mileage anyone?

I can tell you what my one likes for breakfast.
Between 9.5 and 10.5 Liters for 100km driven normaly to work and in the
usual traffic (countryside). That's about 6.2 miles per Liter or 23.5 miles
per gallon. On the autobahn with 120mph it needs about 13 Liters, still
acceptable if not everyday.
Not too bad, people here in germany always think it needs twice as much
because it is an american car...
...but it has an european motor ;-)

ELV1S & 6548

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: john fredt [mailto:hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Oktober 2002 22:25
An: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [DML] gas mileage anyone?


> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
mileage
> what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than the ford
> fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an inline
6cyl
> carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I need to
know
> how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:17:07 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: refinishing muffler and negatives with no cat?

Hi Andy

If you have a look at this article I wrote about exhaust gaskets I went into
some detail
on removing the exhaust. Taking the cat out is quite difficult because you
have to remove
the crossover pipe from the manifolds in order to access the upper right cat
mounting
nut.

http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/exhaustgasket.html

As to refinishing the silencer, over here you can buy high temperature paint
in a silver
shade - I did my heat stove with it till I decided to leave it out anyway...
I can't
vouch for its lifespan though. I believe there's a ceramic coating process
but I can't
see the point *personally*.

Martin
#1458
#4426

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> two questions:
> 1.  i want to refinish my muffler.  it looks like it is rusty even though
it
> really isn't since it's stainless.... i don't need it to look like chrome,
i
> just want it to look like it is new again.  is a muffler best painted, or
is
> there a polishing job that can be done? i'd obviously bring this to a
> specialist.
>
> 2.  i'm interested in the catalytic converter straightpipe since i live in
a
> state without emissions testing.  it would be ideal to do this job when i
> refinish the muffler.  is this a very difficult job?  are the bolts
typically
> quite rusty and solid?  also - are there any downsides to removing the cat
> besides higher hydrocarbon emissions?
>
> any thoughts are welcome!
> Andy




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:38:03 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I get around 20mpg city, and 25mpg highway in mine.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 01:25 PM 10/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse than
the ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an
inline 6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I
need to know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:37:10 -0500
From: Creator Of Magic <powerpc_at_dml_spymac.com>
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I get around the same milage [18 - 20].  I havn't noticed a great
amount of difference with better octane fuels, but I have noticed
performance increased with 94 octane.  The best thing to remember is
the DeLorean is not a sports car, and as long as you do not hog the
engine you'll get good milage, as you would on any car that isn't being
ragged when driven.

Hope this helps,

Michael


On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 01:36  PM, Payne wrote:

> I've experienced around 18-20 mpg, but it varies greatly based on my
> driving
> habits.  Lately it's all been city mileage and I allow the car to warm
> up
> for a bit.  I used to be concerned with fuel mileage with the car
> since my
> last vehicle was an Acura 4 cylinder, but the more I drove the car,
> the less
> I cared about gas money.  The sheer pleasure of driving this beautifull
> machine makes it all worth it.
>
> payne
>
>
>> I have read a bunch of conflicting statistics for the DeLoreans gas
> mileage what is the usual gas consumption rate?It cant be any worse
> than the
> ford fairmont I owned once,it really sucked gas like a tank it was an
> inline
> 6cyl carbeurated.I am probably going to drive my D around alot so I
> need to
> know how much its gonna cost to feed the beast.



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:47:17 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: JZD

I am putting together a web page for the outing on the midatlantic club
site.  Look for it to be complete (with good photos) in the next few
days!

-----Original Message-----
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:52 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] JZD


> Since the Fall Foliage tour John and I have been exchanging quite
> a bit of e-mail below is a tribute to the East Coast Group.  John
> and Sally are writing an  article about the trip we had there for
> the local paper.  If you were part of the fall foliage tour and
> have a great shot of the mansion then send it to me and I will
> forward it to John for this article.
>
>
> Ken;
> The photos are enjoyable. Keep them coming. Sally wants to know
> if there are any more of the cars in front of the house, etc. She
> wants to send a photo into the paper here with a few lines like
> DeLorean owners gather at Lamington Farm for start of ...... if you
> could finish the few lines for her. Quite a few people have called
> me and said they saw a bunch of DeLoreans driving on various roads this
> weekend and it was quite a sight.
>
> I will try to have the piece for your magazine by the end of next week.
>
> Sally needs photo with few lines to give to paper thanks JZD



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:48:54 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model

If you want, I can post this information on the Mid Atlantic club site.
E-mail me privately to discuss.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:32 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Adjusting door on Sunstar Model


Greetings, I had some problems with the ISP that was hosting my site
and unfortunately had to take down my server. I did make a back up of
the site and am now running it off my personal PC through my
broadband connection. It can be found here:

http://headbangdude.dynu.com/88mph/index.html

Since this is running off my own PC, if i have trouble with it, it
will not be up.For now though, it should be accessable most of the
time.

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> I have the Delorean Sunstar model. One of the doors does not stay up
> and I need to adjust it. There are some instruction on Sinstar's
> website (88-mph.com) but I've not been able to access the site. Can
> someone email me the instructions? Thanks
>
> Shannon



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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:13:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!

Okay I just got to put my 2 cents in here. Does anyone
feel really saddened by the idea that the original
dies to the DeLorean are sitting on the bottom of the
stupid ocean holding fish nests from drifting away?
And on that same token we know just about where they
are? I mean this has got to be one of the worst uses
for such priceless molds. Now I understand that they
have been down there for close to 18+ years. Would it
not be interesting to have an expierenced diver go
down and examine the molds? take pictures and what not
and then possibly raise these molds from there watery
grave? Expensive endever I know. But would it not be
worthwhile to everyone who owns a DeLorean to donate a
few dollars to a fund to reclaim these molds and get
them back to DMC where they belong? This is of course
assuming that they are still in a usable condtion. Can
you imagine with these molds present once again they
could begin to stamp new fenders and doors, ending the
shortage of exterior parts. It just seems to me it is
a very very big waste. I like crabs as much as the
next guy, but let the crabs find new paper weights.

Todd
Vin 5386


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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:26:13 EST
From: beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: gas mileage anyone?

I got an average of 30 miles per gallon (92 Octane) on my trip to the
Memphis
Car Show and I drive my Delorean the way it was intended..FAST!!!! :-)

Chuck Darling
Vin# 6125


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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:14:50 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour III Official Web Page

OK....you saw enough postings about it, so now is your chance to
see/relive the Delorean Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage tour!

Our club's official web page for the event is up and running (sorry it
took so long!)

Check it out!
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/scrapbook/falltour3/index.htm


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:41:45 -0500
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake Light Switch

Mine was like that too when I first bought mine.  I found the problem to be
some fabric was getting in the way of the lever, so i just trimmed some
fabric off and it works fine now.  Check to see if anything is blocking the
lever from going down all the way.

Hope that helps
  Willie
  Vin 5043

----- Original Message -----
From: <doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:27 AM
Subject: [DML] Parking Brake Light Switch


> Does any have information on how to adjust the Parking Brake Light Switch?
> Or how to get to it?  My Light comes on unless I hold down the parking
brake
> lever.
>
> Dave
> 6530



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:23:17 -0000
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>
Subject: SS Louvers

Thanks to all for the recomendations for the CD adapter, now on to 
the louvers.  

The stainless steel louvers on my car are not solid stainless steel.  
They are your standard black fiberglass louver with a thin skin of SS 
on each slat.  To me, it does not seem like much extra weight but I 
am told that the struts will wear out quicker because of it.  The 
former owner thought that this was one of three cars that had the SS 
applied to the louvers at the factory, but at least two members of 
this list have said that it was an aftermarket option.  The SS is 
brushed with the same grain as the body panels so there is no glare, 
even when looking through the rear view mirror.  I like the way it 
makes the car look and I have heard many positive coments on the 
appearance from others.  I have not seen any other car with this 
option, are there any out there?

Brent Lundgren
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:12:40 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: RE: Hello Everyone

Aaron,
I used the term "Head Phones" when I should have said ear pieces.  Unless
you have the volume up high, you can still hear what is going on around you.
Sirens and horns are still audible.
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Crocco


Scott,

  Not only is this EXTREMELY dangerous, but this is illegal in many states.
I'm sure the reasons why, are obvious.

-Aaron Crocco

NY Plate: OUTATYM

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:33:40 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Hello Everyone

I tried playing my Discman portable CD player using the cassette adaptor.
It sounded terrible.  I ended up using the Discman and headphones.  The
headphones were the way to go.

Scott Mueller
002981
DOA 5031
DML
DMC Forum
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:19:14 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!

Pretty much, I'm sure that everyone here would like to see the dies 
recovered. However, over the years here on the DML, and elsewhere, 
there is one question that remains unasnwered about the dies: Who 
owns them as of right now? In short, recovery of the dies would be 
great, but I would hate to see all that effort go into raising them, 
only to have someone else lay claim, and take them. A bit more 
research needs to go into this before any action is taken.

Great pains were taken to insure that no one would be able to get 
their hands on those molds. So it is a realistic possibility that 
someone may still put forth efforts to keep those dies inaccessable 
to anyone.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:52:35 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: I'm looking for a damaged left rear fender

Hello.

The geometry of my car requires me to put the fuel filler cap of my 
DeLorean car on the left rear fender, like in the original 
prototype.  This involves cutting a hole in the left rear stainless 
fender.  In the interest of preserving the world's collective 
inventory of undamaged body panels, an irreplaceable resource, I'd 
like to find a LIGHTLY damaged one to alter, instead of the good one 
I already have.   
If finding one turns out to be a hassle, I'll have to alter the good 
one I have.  If you happen to have a suitable left rear fender, 
please email me directly.

For those of you interested in the car, I've done or installed the 
following since Memphis:

design, fabrication, installation of fuel tank and plumbing
ground effects
dash board
binnacle
controller board for rear drivetrain
door installation
body panel alignment
front engine peripherals
driveaxles
windshield
hood modifications
wheel alignment

the site for the car is still

www.gendreaumicro.com/tenpointtwo/11472index.htm


Thank you

Rick Gendreau

twin engine VIN11472.




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:29:30 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: A few quick questions

Without disparaging Delorean 1, you can do a lot to a PRV motor and 
not get anywhere near $12,000. I hope they did more then just rebuild 
the motor. BTW I would expect it to run like a Swiss watch for that 
money!
 About the shift mechanism for the automatic, go to the Parts Manual 
4-6-0. You can see you can access the mechanism from inside the 
console. There are some differences depending on you vin #. If you 
don't have a Parts manual you can download it at DMCNEWS.COM. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 Automatic


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> Oh, I forgot to say why I thought it was the motor mount. The car 
> just had a $12,000 engine rebuild _at_dml_ Delorean one less that 100 miles 
> ago with a few other things as well "I looked at the invoice and 
> thought for a second it was from Ferrari of Beverly Hills." They 
> remachined everything and went over the whole engine pretty much but 
> get this..... only one of the two motor mounts is new. I guess 
> mistakes happen in the garage and that's understandable but just 
> thought both would be replaced go figure. Back to the transmission, 
> thank you very much David. I will look at the first thing as it's a 
> major concern for me and I appreciate the help. While on the subject 
> of the shifter gate what's easiest way to get access to is? Just 
> remove the screw and pull up or do I need to take the whole console 
> out of the car?
> 
> Matthew Stits
> Vin 0789
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> > Your first question: shakes _at_dml_ idle & at speed. You probably need a 
> > tune-up and get the motor correctly set-up at idle. Engine mounts 
> will 
> > not cause this.
> >  Second question on shifting: There is no interlock between the 
> brakes 
> > and the shifter like on most modern cars. There is a shifter gate 
> to 
> > keep you from moving the gear selector from Park to reverse  and 
> > neutral to reverse without pressing the release on the gear 
> selector. 
> > If the shifter gate isn't operational it may only need to be 
> > disassembled and cleaned.
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757 Automatic
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:19:34 EST
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Parking Brake Light Switch

Thanks to all those who answered me.  You were all on target. As I found out 
the is NO areal adjustment.  The problem WAS indeed that the carpet and 
rubber were preventing the handle from going down and staying down fully.

Dave
6530


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:23:54 -0600
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!

Being a certified diver myself, I have seen the effects of sea water on
various different metals doing wreck dives. Before any effort would go into
recovering these molds, someone should be sent down to see if they are even
worth trying to bring up. Sea water extremely corrosive on just about any
metal and I can only guess what these things look like after sitting on the
bottom of the ocean for nearly 20 years -- unfortunately there is a high
likelihood that they are trashed by now.

It would also be critical to know what depth of water they are sitting in.
If they are below 120 feet in depth it would make recovery efforts much more
difficult because it would require a person with special certifications and
equipment to go down that deep.

Does anyone even have a clue what the molds were made out of? Please say it
wasn't regular steel, if so, this whole conversation is moot they are
nothing more then rusty anchors by now.

Mike Polzin

----- Original Message -----
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!


> Pretty much, I'm sure that everyone here would like to see the dies
> recovered. However, over the years here on the DML, and elsewhere,
> there is one question that remains unasnwered about the dies: Who
> owns them as of right now? In short, recovery of the dies would be
> great, but I would hate to see all that effort go into raising them,
> only to have someone else lay claim, and take them. A bit more
> research needs to go into this before any action is taken.
>
> Great pains were taken to insure that no one would be able to get
> their hands on those molds. So it is a realistic possibility that
> someone may still put forth efforts to keep those dies inaccessable
> to anyone.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:38:02 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!


I'm surprised the moderators haven't piped in concerning this topic, but it
was discussed *at length* on the DML about a year ago.  I suggest searching
the archives for lots of useful info about location, possible condition,
etc.

-Hank





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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:45:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: In Charlotte

I just wanted to let the Charlotte area owners know that I'm in town this week with my DeLorean... I drove it to school this week at UNCC. I'd really like to get together with some area owners... I've talked to several of you guys through email, but haven't met anyone in person. So if anyone is interested in doing something after this rain clears up, let me know! :-)

Louie Golden
VIN 10115

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:54:35 -0500
From: "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>
Subject: Take Heart! Slow Corrosion in Salt Water

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
As a previous post indicated, there is a lot of information regarding
the body dies in the archives.  At the time of that discussion, it was 
observed that a salvage recovery of the dies was really not economically
feasible due to the damage sustained by the dies over two decades
under water, the lack of demand for newly-manufactured parts,
and the oversupply of current new and used part inventories.
Unless someone actually brings one of the dies up from the 
deep, please consider this discussion closed.

Mike G  Moderator of the week
*****

"Brine and sea water corrode steel at a slow rate, and the metal can be used
where iron contamination is not objectionable."

This is a direct quote from: "Perry's Chemical Engineers' Handbook" Fourth
Edition.  It is known as the Chemical Engineering "bible".

Other facts - 1.  Corrosion/rust decreases with decreasing temperature.  2.
Also from Perry's: General corrosion in sea water, (static or slow moving)
for iron and steel is rated 4 on a 0-6 scale. 4 is good, 6 is "normally
excellent", 0 is Unsuitable.  The rating refers to the materials corrosion
performance in sea water.

Bob Hlavacek
MS ChE  10961


----- Original Message -----
From: <MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!


> Being a certified diver myself, I have seen the effects of sea water on
> various different metals doing wreck dives. Before any effort would go
into
> recovering these molds, someone should be sent down to see if they are
even
> worth trying to bring up. Sea water extremely corrosive on just about any
> metal and I can only guess what these things look like after sitting on
the
> bottom of the ocean for nearly 20 years -- unfortunately there is a high
> likelihood that they are trashed by now.
>
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