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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1256
Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:40 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. JZD and the Magazine
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

2. Eurofest 2002
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

3. British Delorean Owner Siting on TV
From: "dcsj4465" <dcsj_at_dml_excite.com>

4. Mirror switch swap?
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

5. Re: A few quick questions
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>

6. Re: Credentials vs. Life or Job Experience
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

7. Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

8. Fuel pump question for carbureted D's
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

9. Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: AHHHHHHHHH auto training shifter/linking stuff
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. Re: Digest Number 1253
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>

14. Re: Moderating - A Hard Job
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

15. Re: Moderating - A Hard Job
From: PEDRO MALDONADO <im2witty_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. new poll on mileage
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

17. Re: AHHHHHHHHH auto training shifter/linking stuff
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Re: Mirror switch swap?
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>

19. Tracking Origin
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

20. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

21. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Re: Take Heart! Slow Corrosion in Salt Water
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site.
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

24. Diving for body dies
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

25. RE: Re: Moderating - A Hard Job
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:55:29 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: JZD and the Magazine

I have received a lot of questions on the new DeLoean Car Show Magazine and 
the one question that keeps coming up is will John write us an article.

Below is the response I received today along with the questions that i keep 
getting from all of you to ask John

Deadline for magazine articles and Adds is November 9th.  No extensions so I 
can get it out soon.

Response:

Ken,

    I would be happy to answer those questions.  I will forward you
something hopefully by the end of this week.  JZD

----- Original Message -----
From: <KKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: Your package


> I have a package that went out today and you should have it by the weekend
> There is a lot of stuff in it.
>
> In talking to some of the people on what they are interested in hearing
from
> you the same three items come up.
>
> 1. How is your health / how are you doing
> 2. How is your new car coming
> 3. Are you coming to Pigeon Forge.
>
> If you could e-mail or mail a short response to these questions and I can
add
> it as a preface to your short story I think it would be greatly
appreciated
> by your many supporters.  This is what they want to hear and I know you
were
> asked this a lot in Cleveland.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:31:22 -0500
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Eurofest 2002

Well, the DeLoreans made it to their photo album this year. Take a look at
me messing with the droopy door. 

http://www.euroautofestival.com/EURO2002.htm (scroll towards the bottom)

I know you dig the coat!



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:19:44 -0000
From: "dcsj4465" <dcsj_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: British Delorean Owner Siting on TV

Hi All

Just by chance I happened to watch the first Episode of a New TV  show
titled "A Car Is Reborn". It aired on Discovery Home Channel In that 
episode the host of the show is at a british car show and happened to 
Interview Simon Lees-Milne asking him if he could sit In one of 
Simons Ferrari's A blue (Dino). Simon Said, it was the only known car 
in the UK  Sorry NO Delorean Stuff appeared in the Show.

Dennis 5180




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:11:05 -0500
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Mirror switch swap?

I have two semi-functioning Delorean mirror switches that I would like to see if I can swap for one which is fully functional.  One I have is my "new" one, but only moves the mirrors up and down, not side to side.  My other "original" one broke its mirror selector switch and is likely missing some piece that fell out of it.

Can anyone one works on these help me out here?  Please let me know if you can in e-mail: RJRavalli_at_dml_aol.com.

Thanks,

Richard  



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:51:25 -0000
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: A few quick questions

No no no, I didn't pay that much no way "but I have the receipts." I 
just bought the car less than a week ago and the guy fell out of love 
with the car after having to fork that kind of cash over. It was for 
the drive train, suspension and a few other minor things. I have the 
papers and I can scan them in to show you guys and get your opinion 
on all the work... for all I know there forged with delorean one 
headings, who knows. Frankly I don't care if this guy forked over all 
the tea in china to get the thing repaired after he blew a head 
gasket. All I know is I have a great car that I love and don't mind 
the "minor" classic car upkeep I am having to do.

Matthew Stits
Vin 0789
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> You paid DeLorean One $12,000 for an engine rebuild 100 miles ago, 
and you are coming here to ask about "engine shaking" problems?  
There is no way in the world an engine rebuild should have cost that 
much, but if it did and you are having problems, the first place you 
need to be asking questions from is DeLorean One.  And after spending 
that much, I would hope they would tell you how to adjust your 
shifter for free.  If not, you need to seriously reconsider your 
choice of repair shops.
> 
> I hope that was diplomatic enough to get by the moderators.  Its 
not what I would like to have said.....
> 
> Darryl Tinnerstet
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:33:47 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Credentials vs. Life or Job Experience

New Guidelines would be a whole new can of worms to open. 

I agree that the moderators have a difficult and often thankless job,
but I think there would be even more problems if posting was based
on credentials.  Trying to figure out who has what "valid" or higher
level of credentials would be a difficult or impossible line to walk.

Case in point, the example of the underwater corrosion topic.  While
I do not have a Chemical Engineering degree, I do have 15 years of
hands on experience with salt water filtration of 2 million plus
gallons of "man made" salt water, in a closed loop system.  There
are many chemical processes that go on in salt water that will effect
metal corrosion, including salinity level, temperature, pressure,
movement (or lack of motion) nitrites, nitrates, bacterial load, 
barnacles, coral, sponges, algae and all other sorts of sea life.

Bottom line - 304 stainless does not hold up well in salt water when
compared to 316 stainless (and so on), learned from experience.
The body dies were not constructed with any stainless grade metals,
primarily since it would be cheaper to make it stronger without it.
5 years machine shop experience tells me that any die has a limited
life span and many things will effect the lifespan besides use.
The body panel dies were used in a 12 ton press and they worked well
when the dies were used, stored and handled properly. 

Although it is my belief that the body panel dies would not be of
much use, if recovered, I would not mind being a part of a search
and documentation expedition, just out of curiostity.  If someone
or some group in the UK (or anywhere else) will organize such an
expedition, I will donate the use of my underwater camera system
to help in the search and documentation phase and will help with
any authorized advanced phase (such as recovering one or more dies).
I am a certified diver with nearly 20 years experience of underwater
construction and maintenance, both in free water and confined areas,
including extended periods of underwater work while inverted.

I guess if I'm ready to do this, that makes me certifiable.

Later,
Rich W.


> snip <
> 
> DMLers and moderators: Could this help the DML?
> 
> One guideline might be that when a post is received on a valid DML 
topic,
> the post is allowed if it is by a higher credentialed individual 
than has
> commented to date.  Example: A Masters degreed Chemical  Engineer
> estimating the current condition  of the underwater steel dies.  
Such a post
> has been innocently cut in the past.
> 
> snip <




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:10:44 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power

Pump does not engage until engine is running certain number of RPM's
(anyone know what it is?). Safety feature I guess. That's why the
accumulator is so important -- until your car starts it's the only gas
available. One of my long term goals is to rig up a momentary switch
under the dash to jump Brown (hot) to White/Purple (line out) on the
fuel pump relay for the eventual day my own accumulator dies. 

BTW: fuel pump relay isn't in the two banks w/ headlights etc. Is last
relay under metal plate adjacent to wheel well (closest to engine
compartment).

The Buzzing Thingy in the engine compartment is probably your idle
speed motor (on driver's side intake rail). I don't have a Lamda valve
(passenger valve cover) so don't know what it sounds like, but Martin
G likens to an angry cricket.

Does car run without jumping pump (after started), or do we need to
trouble shoot your RPM relay? Don't have my factory manual with me,
but I seem to remember tachometer runs from relay (anybody?) -- if so,
should be quick visual diagnosis from dash.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Chris Parnham" <cp_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Lists,
> 
> I'm sure I read recently,  a  post concerning "lack of electrical
power " to
> the fuel pump. I've changed all the usual relays etc, but it is
still dead
> at the connector at the fuel pump.
> If I bridge in a live wire, the pump runs, as does the buzzing
thingy in the
> engine compartment. My question is, where is a dirty pug or contact
between
> the power supply and fuel pump?  I've tried to search the archives
before
> and get hopelessly lost! Can someone help or give me the direct link
please?
> 
> Chris P   BTTF/20049




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:22:22 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Fuel pump question for carbureted D's

Writing Re: K Jetronic problems reminds me of question I've had for a
while:

What do the carbureted re-engines use for a fuel pump? I'd think stock
75 psi would blow a needle valve clean out. Just a syphon in the tank?
If so, what did you use to seal the gaping hole?

Just wondering...

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:19:14 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power

Chris, When you turn the key on does the fuel pump run for a second and shut 
off. Then when you try to start the car does the RPM relay contacts close. If 
they don't then the pulse coil area may be the place to look. The RPM relay 
won't turn on unless it sees a pulse from the pulse coil in the ignition 
distributor. Then the relay inside the RPM relay will close and there goes 
power to the pump. 
Intertial switch connections also give trouble on the ground circuit side.
John Hervey
]www.specialTauto.com

<< I'm sure I read recently,  a  post concerning "lack of electrical power " 
to
 the fuel pump. I've changed all the usual relays etc, but it is still dead
 at the connector at the fuel pump.
 If I bridge in a live wire, the pump runs, as does the buzzing thingy in the
 engine compartment. My question is, where is a dirty pug or contact between
 the power supply and fuel pump?  I've tried to search the archives before
 and get hopelessly lost! Can someone help or give me the direct link please?
  >>



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:42:24 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power

Hello List,

I was getting low voltage at the fuel pump a while back.  I also discovered 
that the wires to the fuel pump were getting warm and the insalation was 
cracking as the wires got closer to the plug.  To make a long story short I 
cut and spliced in new wires which solved this problem.

Just an Idea
Andrew
4194



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:22:03 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump , Lack of power

When you remove and replace relays and fuses you must also make 
certain that the connectors that these parts plug into are fully 
inserted into the fuse block so when you stick the relay or fuse in it 
will make electrical contact with all of the connectors. There have 
been many instances where a wire fell back and did not make contact 
making you think the relay or fuse was bad when in fact a wire wasn't 
making contact. Also if overheated the connectors lose there 
"springiness" and also "blacken up" from oxidation. If you have any 
doubts about a connector remove and replace it to avoid a bad 
connection and a melt-down of your fuse block. The best reference to 
follow is the electrical diaghram in your Workshop Manual. Follow the 
power from the battery through the switches, fuses, and relays. Go 
step by step from the battery to the pump testing each connection and 
wire.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Chris Parnham" <cp_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Lists,
> 
> I'm sure I read recently,  a  post concerning "lack of electrical 
power " to
> the fuel pump. I've changed all the usual relays etc, but it is 
still dead
> at the connector at the fuel pump.
> If I bridge in a live wire, the pump runs, as does the buzzing 
thingy in the
> engine compartment. My question is, where is a dirty pug or contact 
between
> the power supply and fuel pump?  I've tried to search the archives 
before
> and get hopelessly lost! Can someone help or give me the direct link 
please?
> 
> Chris P   BTTF/20049




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:33:39 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: AHHHHHHHHH auto training shifter/linking stuff

You must understand that you are working on a 20+ year old car that 
has probably seen several owners and at least that many mechanics. The 
particular problem you have is unusual but it is not unusual to find 
old work that you must go over and fix properly. These types of things 
happen because not all mechanics are knowledgeable about Deloreans and 
also a tempteation to "repair" things without having to order parts. 
If you are patient and fix these problems as you find them eventually 
you will have a good, solid, reliable car. Hopefully if you did your 
homework when you bought the car and inspected it thourghly you won't 
have any major, expensive surprises. As you use the car more problems 
will come to the surface so if you keep up with them and fix them as 
you discover them you will get all of the "gremlins" out and be very 
happy with the car after that. The downside is that now that you have 
seen a sample of the "workmanship" of a previous mechanic you have to 
hope that he didn't fix much else! You are finding out there is no 
such thing as a cheap Delorean (or any old car for that matter). You 
can pay me now or you can pay me later Ha Ha.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> Bah, owned the car less than a week and it looks like I must order a 
> new shifter casing, a few parts of the shift linkage and the shifter 
> cover display as well. I opened the shifter casing and it was super 
> glued together!!!!! I get it off and the screws out and I take the 
> two back screws out and the light for the cover display plastic grip 
> teeth were glued as well and shifter gate does not have its screw to 
> hold it in place, but for a reason. I put it back in place and 
> started to shift and heard a snap those little plastic teeth that 
> hold it in gear. Well now I can't keep it in first and can only 
shift 
> from 2nd upto park………. Looks like I am calling Huston on Tuesday to 
> get these parts.
> This is not a rant BTW its just kinda shock on my part. I mean here 
I 
> am buying one of these cars that I have receipts showing work on the 
> drive train, suspension and a few other things and I find this kind 
> of stuff. Is this normal? I mean I looked for a car for over two 
> years and this one is by far the best one I have found don't get me 
> wrong. I just would like a few other peoples experiences maybe to 
> tell me where I stand as an owner. I mean I love the car I really 
do; 
> I enjoy this kinda stuff for the most part. I am just shocked that's 
> all.
> 
> Matthew Stits
> Vin 0789




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:40:11 -0000
From: "stitsien" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1253

Can you give us further details at this time?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., James Espey <james_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> This "rumor" was not incorrect and you are the only one spreading
> misinformation. Rockstar did approach us about licensing the use of 
the
> logo for use in that game, which we declined for several reasons. It
> will appear in another upcoming game from a different company, in a
> much more positive light.
> 
> That is the real story.
> 
> James Espey
> DeLorean Motor Company
> 
> 
> > Sorry to go "video game" on this point, but the previously
> > posted -  incorrect "rumor" has migrated into other newslists
> > verbatem from this place so I wanted to clarify the "rumor" in
> > advance of others.
> >
> >                      Monty Gabrys
> >                      mgabrys_at_dml_n...
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:57:02 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Moderating - A Hard Job

Honestly I have a hard time imagining the process of qualifying 
posters by asking to see diploma or resume. Shoot - I'd be happy if 
everyone would just sign with their real names. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Robert Hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Our DML Moderators have a difficult job.  They make the best 

......

> One guideline might be that when a post is received on a valid DML 
topic,
> the post is allowed if it is by a higher credentialed individual 
than has
> commented to date.  Example: A Masters degreed Chemical  Engineer
> estimating the current condition  of the underwater steel dies.  
Such a post
> has been innocently cut in the past.
> 
> Credentialed people will stop sharing their knowledge with the DML 
if there
> work never makes it to the DML post.
> 
> Bob Hlavacek
> 10961





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:16:27 -0800 (PST)
From: PEDRO MALDONADO <im2witty_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Moderating - A Hard Job

I have a better idea for how to deal with the
Moderators.

Let them be.  They do a nice job keeping spam off of
the DML.  

And yes, they have cut me off from time to time.

Keep up the good work.

Pete #6201
--- Robert Hlavacek <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net> wrote:
> Our DML Moderators have a difficult job.  They make
> the best decisions they
> can.  AND - It's an unpaid and  thankless job. 
> Worse than thankless, some
> people who's posts get cut probably get upset with
> the moderator.  I would
> not want to do it, I wouldn't have the fortitude
> needed.  Let's try to help
> our moderators.
> 
> I have a thought which may help, and everyone can
> add to it.
> 
> If we can think of editing guidelines, this would
> take the burden off the
> moderators and transfer guidelines.  Any beef would
> then be directed at the
> guidelines.  These would be in addition to already
> written down guidelines.
> 
> DMLers and moderators: Could this help the DML?
> 
> One guideline might be that when a post is received
> on a valid DML topic,
> the post is allowed if it is by a higher
> credentialed individual than has
> commented to date.  Example: A Masters degreed
> Chemical  Engineer
> estimating the current condition  of the underwater
> steel dies.  Such a post
> has been innocently cut in the past.
> 
> Credentialed people will stop sharing their
> knowledge with the DML if there
> work never makes it to the DML post.
> 
> Bob Hlavacek
> 10961
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "goodcaptainbob" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_SNET.Net>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:05 PM
> Subject: [DML] Windshield Wiper Switch - Where can I
> get one?
> 
> 
> > In taking out the steering column and replaving
> it, the windshield
> > wiper switch on the right hand side of the column
> fell apart.  I have
> > all the parts but we couldn't figure out how to
> put it back together
> > again.  I reattached it but it only works for a
> few wipes when I push
> > it in to activate the washer.  Does anyone know
> where I can get an
> > assembly or can anyone explain how it goes back
> together?
> >
> > Thanks, Bob Hlavacek  10961
> >
> >
> >
> > To address comments privately to the moderating
> team, please address:
> > moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> >
> > To search the archives or view files, log in at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> To address comments privately to the moderating
> team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> 
> To search the archives or view files, log in at
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:13:40 -0500
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: new poll on mileage

I've created a poll to find out how much you all drive you Delorean a year. Please go vote, I think the results will be interesting. Also, I am curious to know how many of you out there use your Delorean as your primary car? 

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:26:22 -0800 (PST)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AHHHHHHHHH auto training shifter/linking stuff


 
You should always expect something is wrong that you dont see.then you wont be surprised,myself I always expect the worst sabotage imaginable and then whatever comes is a relief.




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:24:12 -0500
From: "Mike Aninger" <mike_at_dml_ninja.net>
Subject: Re: Mirror switch swap?

Give John at Special T Auto a hail.  He may be able to hook you up by
combining good parts from both, put them together and make one good one and
let him keep the extra pieces.  I'm sure he'll give you a good deal.

-Mike A.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: [DML] Mirror switch swap?


> I have two semi-functioning Delorean mirror switches that I would like to
see if I can swap for one which is fully functional.  One I have is my "new"
one, but only moves the mirrors up and down, not side to side.  My other
"original" one broke its mirror selector switch and is likely missing some
piece that fell out of it.
>
> Can anyone one works on these help me out here?  Please let me know if you
can in e-mail: RJRavalli_at_dml_aol.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Richard
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:33:00 -0500
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Tracking Origin



I want to find the origin of my Delorean. I want to know what day it rolled out of the plant, how long it sat on the docks, how long it sat in Quality Assurance Center's, what dealer it went to first?
Does anyone know where I can find this type of information?  The car had to have left a paper trail as it went along, but where are those papers?

Thanks
  Willie Mack


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:03:03 -0500
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
This subject just will not die (no pun intended).  I'll
give it another day or two, but once things start getting
repetitive, I will close the thread.

Mike G  Moderator of the week
*****

I think it would be useful to the history of DMC if we brought these up.
Even if they were not usable in production,  I am sure they would have
museum value, not to mention, you would have the specs for new dies at your
fingertips without the R& D.  Maybe they can be rebuildable?  I think it is
at least worth looking into.

Joseph
vin 2850
----- Original Message -----
From: <MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!


> Being a certified diver myself, I have seen the effects of sea water on
> various different metals doing wreck dives. Before any effort would go
into
> recovering these molds, someone should be sent down to see if they are
even
> worth trying to bring up. Sea water extremely corrosive on just about any
> metal and I can only guess what these things look like after sitting on
the
> bottom of the ocean for nearly 20 years -- unfortunately there is a high
> likelihood that they are trashed by now.
>
> It would also be critical to know what depth of water they are sitting in.
> If they are below 120 feet in depth it would make recovery efforts much
more
> difficult because it would require a person with special certifications
and
> equipment to go down that deep.
>
> Does anyone even have a clue what the molds were made out of? Please say
it
> wasn't regular steel, if so, this whole conversation is moot they are
> nothing more then rusty anchors by now.
>
> Mike Polzin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DML] Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!
>
>
> > Pretty much, I'm sure that everyone here would like to see the dies
> > recovered. However, over the years here on the DML, and elsewhere,
> > there is one question that remains unasnwered about the dies: Who
> > owns them as of right now? In short, recovery of the dies would be
> > great, but I would hate to see all that effort go into raising them,
> > only to have someone else lay claim, and take them. A bit more
> > research needs to go into this before any action is taken.
> >
> > Great pains were taken to insure that no one would be able to get
> > their hands on those molds. So it is a realistic possibility that
> > someone may still put forth efforts to keep those dies inaccessable
> > to anyone.
> >
> > -Robert
> > vin 6585 "X"
> >
> >
> >
> > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> > moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:22:40 -0000
From: "treehouse2000us" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site. stupid crabs!

I dont own a DeLorean yet, but I would be more than happy to send a 
$100 check to get a dive to retrieve the dies.  Someone said they 
were made of stainless, and someone did a simulation test of 
stainless in salt water which flied with flying colors.  Where do I 
send the check?

Tom Porter
Vin: (next year)

_Moderator, this is a very viable topic!

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Hank Eskin" <henry_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised the moderators haven't piped in concerning this 
topic, but it
> was discussed *at length* on the DML about a year ago.  I suggest 
searching
> the archives for lots of useful info about location, possible 
condition,
> etc.
> 
> -Hank




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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:48:17 -0800 (PST)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Take Heart! Slow Corrosion in Salt Water


 
The dies are destroyed beyond any use I am certain of this.The dies for mloding or deforming metal are extremely dependant upon the precision milled surfaces of the dies.After even a short period underwater say a month or two the dies would be rendered useless.The tiny pits on the metal would make the dies junk and I dont think this could be corrected by any means.




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:43:49 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Want to dive DeLorean dump site.

Before anyone goes jumping into the water you might want to find out 
what the legal ownership status of the dies is. Even if they are 
recoverable and can be used you may have no right to touch them. 
Pictures would be great if you did dive and at least located and 
mapped them. To actually use them would require renting press time 
(EXPENSIVE!!!) as the presses to use them are BIG. It would also 
require purchesing tons of stainless steel sheets (you aren't going to 
make just 1 or 2 of these things) space to store all of these parts 
after you make them, transportation, scrappage, cost of money etc. To 
actually make new parts you are in the hundreds of thousands of 
dollars range if not millions. I do not think it would be an 
economically viable enterprise even if you could get the dies for 
free. There are other ways to duplicate stainless steel panels if you 
don't need large #'s made.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., id <ionicdesign_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> has anyone read this article on the DML about where the dies are? 
they were not dumped
> in the water they are anchors.
> http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/bodydies/bodydies.html
> 
> mark
> 
> therealdmcvegas wrote:
> 
> > Pretty much, I'm sure that everyone here would like to see the 
dies
> > recovered. However, over the years here on the DML, and elsewhere,
> > there is one question that remains unasnwered about the dies: Who
> > owns them as of right now? In short, recovery of the dies would be
> > great, but I would hate to see all that effort go into raising 
them,
> > only to have someone else lay claim, and take them. A bit more
> > research needs to go into this before any action is taken.
> >
> 




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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:36:10 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Diving for body dies

I too am a certified (and certifiable) diver..  Please let me know if this happens, I would be interested in participating.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: d_rex_2002 [mailto:rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:34 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Credentials vs. Life or Job Experience
> 
<SNIP>
> Although it is my belief that the body panel dies would not be of
> much use, if recovered, I would not mind being a part of a search
> and documentation expedition, just out of curiostity.  If someone
> or some group in the UK (or anywhere else) will organize such an
> expedition, I will donate the use of my underwater camera system
> to help in the search and documentation phase and will help with
> any authorized advanced phase (such as recovering one or more dies).
> I am a certified diver with nearly 20 years experience of underwater
> construction and maintenance, both in free water and confined areas,
> including extended periods of underwater work while inverted.
> 
> I guess if I'm ready to do this, that makes me certifiable.
> 
> Later,
> Rich W.
> 



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:37:54 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Moderating - A Hard Job

Dave S.
	I could send you a copy of my Doctorate Degree so you have it on file.  It
is DD. ( Doctor of DeLoreans!!)
	I love all of the letters....I would say MOST of them, that always say, "I
read somewhere", or "someone told me"' or, "it is in a past DML but I can't
find it",  or " my mechanic told me, so it must be true".
	With all the emphasis lately on diving for the D dies, I wondered if anyone
gave a thought to the actual ownership of them!!   Seems like everyone
thinks they can just dive down and hook onto someone elses property and
bring it up.  Thats called theft.  In the first place, who needs them with
the huge supply of parts still available.  That site you gave was great and
I THINK I saw it before somewhere, but I can't remember where.
	The biggest whoppers are gas mileage and top speed stories.  I wouldn't
believe my grandmother or my own pastor re gas mileage.  Who can prove
anything.   You probably wouldn't believe that I get 60 MPG around town on
my D and 85 on the highway.  Ho Ho.  First liar doesn't  have a chance.
	But you moderators do a good job.   I wouldn't want your job at all even
with the high salary!!!
	Murray
	Vin:  05962
	Lic:   DMC-XII





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