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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1299
Date: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:55 AM

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There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean's Soul
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

2. FatBoy7 and more DeLorean Soul, etc...
From: "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

3. Entire underbody and frame
From: "George DeLorean <phantomoftheopera_gk_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <phantomoftheopera_gk_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Re: Re: DeLorean's Soul
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>

5. Re: DeLorean's Soul
From: "erikgeerdink <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Attn: James LaLonde
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:47:45 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean's Soul

Hello list,

At what point does a DMC cease to be a DMC?  

To me the only car that was once a DMC that is no longer a DMC was the Coyote 
from Hardcastle and McCormick.  Yes it still had a DeLorean interior and 
drivetrain, but the rest of the car was the Coyote.

In any case I would have to say that every car has a soul, espicially a 
DeLorean. In fact sometimes I think mine hates me lol : )

Best wishes,
Andrew
4194



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 05:15:38 -0000
From: "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: FatBoy7 and more DeLorean Soul, etc...

Have we ever had trouble with this negative youngman before? Seems I 
recognize his name.

He's been awfully rude to me via private email regarding my 'soul' 
post. I guess the topic isn't for everyone - but some of you got a 
kick out of it, huh?

Anyways sorry for cluttering the list with a topic some of us may 
think is dumb. To each their own - I say!!!

On a more on-topic note: I have yet to get that damned bolt out of my 
engine. I picked up 8 gazillion forms of bolt-extractors... and a 
right angle drill adapter. If THAT doesn't work I'll be awaiting the 
reply to a rescent inquiry regarding removal of the rear fascia. Oh 
joy.

Happying DMCing

James L vin004009

[Moderator Note: Vewteran DMLers may recognize the FatBoy name, but since it's just an anonymous email address we have no sure way of verifying whether or not this person has posted to the DML in the past.  Feel free to answer Mr. LaLonde's technical question, but don't bother to speculate about FatBoy
  - moderator Mike Substelny]



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:20:20 -0000
From: "George DeLorean <phantomoftheopera_gk_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <phantomoftheopera_gk_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Entire underbody and frame

Hey all.
     Just thought that I would let you all know that there is an 
entire fibreglass underbody and frame up for sale on e-bay for $500.  

                             Later,

                         George DeLorean




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:36:27 -0500
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DeLorean's Soul

Arrgh!  I can't believe I'm joining this thread....   :-)

On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 12:04  PM, Stragand, Dave wrote:
> Legally, however, the definition is a different story.  It's generally
> either the 'cab' or the frame which legally is the vehicle, and this
> varies from state to state.  The majority of states proclaim the cab,
> with it's attached VIN, as the legal entity of 'vehicle'.

Doesn't help, Dave.  What if I kept welding patches onto my rusting
cab (well, bad example for the D, but you get my point), and then
replaced my damaged VIN plate with an exact replica? (I'm sure
it is the number that matters, not the metal in the plate)

This conundrum is, of course, well-trodden ground. Philosophers
refer to it as  the riddle of the Ship of Theseus: Is it the same ship
that returns to port after being away so long that each and every
one of its planks, nails, sails, ropes, etc has been refitted? And what
if a new ship is made out of those discarded parts? Surely they
can't *both* be the same ship...  And so it goes.

What is the identity of a wave on the ocean? It's component "parts"
(the atoms of water) are constantly changing and are mostly
irrelevant to the identity of the wave as such. It seems to be the
continuity of *pattern* that matters, not the pieces. So, I guess that
as long as your particular collection of scraps of stainless steel and
plastic traces a continuous path back to Dunmurry, you're
OK.

So, I'll tell you what.  If someone volunteers, I'll help with the 
following
experiment:  Start replacing the parts of your D, one by one.  I'll hide
behind your garage and pick up all the discarded parts from the
dumpster and put them back together. When we're done, you'll still
have your car, and I will too...

Happy holidays everyone,

--Pete Lucas
   VIN #06703




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:46:32 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean's Soul

[Moderator Note:  This is the last post I will approve to this peculiar discussion.  Merry Christmas Erik, you get your wish.  - moderator Mike Substelny]

Get rid of your brain, and you really aren't the same person anymore 
right?  Take the tags off your car and you don't know what VIN it 
is.  Most of us call our cars by their VIN number.  Just like people 
call me "Erik Geerdink" or "Dumb Ass" so I call my car "4512" 
and "Money Pit".  So my birth certificate says who I am.  And my 
finger prints prove it.  The title on your car says who it is, and 
the vin tags prove it.  So maybe it doesn't lye in the car, but in 
the paper telling it who it is, and the tags proveing it.  We can't 
compair a car to a human, so we can't assume that they share the 
same properties.  People have a soul that can not be seen.  That 
doesn't mean a Delorean has a soul that can not be seen.

If I put my brain in John Deloreans head, I would still be erik, but 
just have a different body.  If you take your vin tags and put them 
on a different car, it would still be your car, but just a different 
body.  

Now, absolutely none of this makes sense.  Why?  because cars don't 
have souls.  and so to define the soul of a car is impossible and 
confusing when you even try. 
But, I would say the identity of a car lies in two places.  The tags 
and the title.

Gosh I hope this thread ends.

Erik



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "treehouse2000us" 
<treehouse2000us_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I have no idea how to spell that word!  But the point I think 
> James L is making is more on a non biological level.  Instead
> of a person recieving a 'transplant', what about an electronic
> heart, an iron lung, a stainless steel kidney and a used spleen
> and so on...

[moderator snip]




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 03:55:26 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Attn: James LaLonde

You've told us all about your gas tank and water pump, but what about
the trip home? As I recall #4009 was to be purchased in Missouri. Did
you trailer her or drive under her own power (apparently DeLorean
souls are female). You can't just jump to the middle of a new story
without telling us how it began...

Bill Robertson
#5939





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