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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1309
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:14 AM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Mysterious vacuum leak revealed... the hard way.
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

2. Re: hard starting when wet continued....
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: Door problems too
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Deloreantime Update???
From: "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Door problems too
From: "mgutkowski_at_dml_cix.co.uk" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

6. Re: Door problems too
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

7. Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

8. Re: Opinions of Value
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Final drive and Torsion questions
From: "stitsien <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. Re: Opinions of Value
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. The dipstick broke inside the tube.
From: "mantrobax <ownerof_at_dml_delorean.com>" <ownerof_at_dml_delorean.com>

12. "Car Love"
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

13. Re: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

14. I Love the 80's Segment
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

15. Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>

16. Re: Final drive and Torsion questions
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. Re: The dipstick broke inside the tube.
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

18. Re: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder
From: TOM RIMKUS <jonas19992000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:58:47 -0800
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Mysterious vacuum leak revealed... the hard way.

As some of you know, I was fighting a problem with a vacuum leak that I
couldn't find.  I've gone without my car for a while because I was an idiot
and broke something important, but now that I'm back on the road I found my
problem.

Recently it had begun hissing at me from the front end, but I couldn't get
it to do it when I got out to look.  I went like this for a few days until
on my way to work I lost the power assist for the brakes.  As I'm sure some
of you know, she doesn't like to stop very well without it.  Fortunately
there was nobody in front of me.  After feeling around on the hose to locate
the hole, I took off the wheel to inspect it.  It seems that the vacuum line
had worked it's way in between the solid coolant pipe and the steering
U-joint.  The bolt on the joint had chewed it's way through the line as I
steered.  Has this happened to anyone else?  I can easily see how it can
occur so I secured the hose back with a wire tie.

That hose wasn't easy to replace.  Did the British government have some kind
of Leprechaun work program and hire them at the factory?  I just couldn't
get my hands in there at all.  Oh well, at least it was a cheap fix and my
car is idling smoother.

Payne
Proud and loving owner of #2975 (DeMara the DeLorean)





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 05:05:20 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: hard starting when wet continued....

Is it possible your distributor cap & rotor may be vintage, or even
the wires themselves? PO assured a "complete tuneup" on my car, but in
fact appeared limited to plugs only. Ignition distributor can be very
difficult to reach, so I think many mechanics don't even bother. I
suffered all sorts of moisture problems until I did proper tuneup
myself. No problems now, no matter the weather.

Another thing to check: relay mounted on engine firewall that shoots
full voltage to the coil when cranking (stupid place to mount a relay
IMHO). Moisture play havoc with HT, so you want as much juice then as
possible. Wouldn't hurt to check the coil itself too. They're so cheap
I usually replace whenever questionable.

Spark plugs are pretty well protected in individual wells, capped by
umbrella boots on the wires. Unless you've got different style wires,
I doubt that's location of your problem.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_h...>"
<acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> So after parking my car in the rain for a while it is hard to start, 
> and sometimes imposible until the water evaporates. Water is coming 
> in through the engine cover screens and filling up the valleys where 
> the spark plugs are.
> 
> My temporary fix for this while be to stick down some plastic over 
> the screens with silicone gel. I think this will keep water from 
> getting on the engine. 
> 
> Adam




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 05:10:38 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Door problems too

I think you mean swap the struts vs passenger door egress, but it does
bring up a question:

Rob Grady's door struts are labeled "Driver" and "Passenger". Wonder
what the difference is between them?

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> Seems to me I recall the DMC-12 has 2 doors. Use the other one for a
while. 
> That way they'll wear more evenly.... :-)
> 
> In a message dated 12/14/02 12:03:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> RJRavalli_at_dml_A... writes:
> 
> << Ok I'm having my first major problem with my drivers side door.
>  The joint where the strut connects to the door is squeaking really
>  badly and the door has become harder to close.  I'm hoping the
>  strut is not ready to pop off, but what can I do right now to
>  tighten this up/get rid of this problem outside of buying a strut?
>  Is there anything?
>  
>  (I need to drive my D to work tomorrow so I'm hoping it will hold
>  up until I can get advice and take some kind of look at this!)
>  
>  Thank you as always,
>  
>  Richard >>




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:41:17 -0000
From: "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Deloreantime Update???

I visited the site the other day and its been slightly updated, does 
anyone know how long its been this way?? im very curious as to whats 
in the works......starting to think i should buy the watch...i dont 
want to start a furor over this but im sure we're all a little 
curious, afterall i'll bet everyone on this list would be first in 
line if and when the car became a reality




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 05:23:43 -0500
From: "mgutkowski_at_dml_cix.co.uk" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Door problems too

Hi Richard

I find it hard to believe the ball joint is what's squeaking - are you sure
it's not the hinge, the strut itself going bad, the lower mount having been
bent or, as I suspect, the seal that runs along the top edge of the door? I
replaced mine and the drivers one squeaks quite badly in common with a lot
of D's. If that seal has become dislodged, it may jam in the mechanism
making the door tough to close. Be careful of the torsion bar!

For everything else above, try a squirt of WD40 (which is a penetrating oil
remember people). For the strut itself: How old is it?

Martin
#1458
#4426

Original Message:
-----------------

<< Ok I'm having my first major problem with my drivers side door.
 The joint where the strut connects to the door is squeaking really
 badly and the door has become harder to close.  I'm hoping the
 strut is not ready to pop off, but what can I do right now to
 tighten this up/get rid of this problem outside of buying a strut?
 Is there anything?
 
 (I need to drive my D to work tomorrow so I'm hoping it will hold
 up until I can get advice and take some kind of look at this!)
 
 Thank you as always,
 
 Richard >>



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:50:24 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Door problems too

The difference is the placement of the shiny label, the struts will 
work fine on either side it's just if you switch them you won't see 
the labels.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_c...>" 
<brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I think you mean swap the struts vs passenger door egress, but it 
does
> bring up a question:
> 
> Rob Grady's door struts are labeled "Driver" and "Passenger". Wonder
> what the difference is between them?
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> > Seems to me I recall the DMC-12 has 2 doors. Use the other one for 
a
> while. 
> > That way they'll wear more evenly.... :-)
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/14/02 12:03:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> > RJRavalli_at_dml_A... writes:
> > 
> > << Ok I'm having my first major problem with my drivers side door.
> >  The joint where the strut connects to the door is squeaking 
really
> >  badly and the door has become harder to close.  I'm hoping the
> >  strut is not ready to pop off, but what can I do right now to
> >  tighten this up/get rid of this problem outside of buying a 
strut?
> >  Is there anything?
> >  
> >  (I need to drive my D to work tomorrow so I'm hoping it will hold
> >  up until I can get advice and take some kind of look at this!)
> >  
> >  Thank you as always,
> >  
> >  Richard >>




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:04:31 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder

Reminder:

VH1 website has posted a schedule of the 10 hour mini series called
"I Love the 80's".  It will aire 2 hours a night for 5 days, with
each year getting a 1 hour show.  Tonight, December 16th begins with
1980 (9/8c pm) followed by 1981 (10/9c pm) on VH1.  The website does
have a brief mention of the first production Delorean rolling off the
assembly line, listed in the details of the 1981 show.

Not sure at this point how big or how small the segment will be on
the Delorean, but if nothing else, it will be a nice reminder of
what was going on in the rest of the world during 1981, which may
be the "first view" for some of the younger crowd out there.  Also
not sure at this point if there are other Delorean references in the
1982 or subsequent shows, mentioning the drug bust and bankruptcy.

Let's hope the Delorean info is accurate, as well as positive, at
least for the 1981 show.  Tamir sent them some good stuff.

Don't forget to set your VCR (I think I'll break out the old Beta).

Later,
Rich W.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Tamir Ardon" <tamir_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> Thought I would let everyone know the DeLorean will be mentioned in 
an
> upcoming series on VH1 called, "I love the 80's".  The car will be 
mentioned
> with video footage in its second episode, "1981," which will be 
aired:
> 
> Monday Dec. 16
> 10/9c PM
> VH1
> 
> The producers for the show contacted me a few months ago and I 
supplied them
> with some footage, so I am assuming they will be using some of that 
footage
> for the show.  Hopefully their comments/text content is flattering, 
but you
> never know what they will decide to focus on with the DeLorean?
> 
> Regards,
> Tamir
> http://www.entermyworld.com




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:53:37 -0800 (PST)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions of Value


 
Offer him 15k see what he says......



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:48:20 -0000
From: "stitsien <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Final drive and Torsion questions

Howdy all seems like the only time I post is when I have an issue. My 
final drive on my automatic is leaking some of the ninety weight gear 
oil when its cold and been sitting here in Vegas at night. At first 
thought it was coming from the bottom area through a gasket or 
because a bolt was loose. Over the weekend though I put it up on ramp 
and found the issue was a more obvious one. Its coming from right had 
side ever so slowly from the seal/O ring because the other driver 
just never drove it I guess and now that I am at the helm in a month 
and a half I have almost a 1,000 on it. I have a local shop here in 
town DMCVEGAS referred me to that I have checked out and will have 
them work on it but I wanted to know what advise the board would have 
for this situation. I was thinking of doing this myself but I am not 
sure if I would need to drop the whole training or now " the manual 
is kind of nebulas on this point." In short if I don't drop the whole 
training what would I have to do to get access to the O ring? And 
advice would be greatly appreciated.  Also now that I think about it 
does anyone here know of a good source to read up on Torsion bar 
adjustments? I have read about the hazards on them and precautions 
that must be taken but I would like to at least consider me in the 
garage giving it a try with all the proper information on the table 
for a twenty minute job as opposed to drive the car to DMC Huston or 
Cali for itů. Even though it's a good excuse to visit Disney Land.

Matthew Stits
0789






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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:25:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions of Value

There was a similar car for sale here in NC about 2 years back. It was a late '81 VIN 68xx with grey interior, auto, and racing stripe. One original owner, 6000 miles (2000 of which were driven in the last few months). The asking price got down to $12,500... and the owner told me I could have it for $10,000. This car was cosmetically immaculate, but the mechanical condition was sketchy. Any car that's 20 years old with less than 10,000 miles is gonna be sketchy. I wanted a car I could drive alot... so I ended up continuing my search (ended up getting an '82 with close to 40,000 on the clock). Before you dive into buying a car like this... really think through what it is in a DeLorean that you want. If you want a car you drive around the block once a month and trailor to shows... go for it. If you'd like a weekend toy... maybe more... I'd keep walking. Either way... I'm with John... at least get that price down below $16k.

Louie Golden
VIN 10115

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:34:10 -0000
From: "mantrobax <ownerof_at_dml_delorean.com>" <ownerof_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: The dipstick broke inside the tube.

Ol' Murphy and his law came to visit me the other day.
Oh evil, evil world...hehe.

I was messing about with the engine, refilling motoroil, checking the 
level as I filled the thirsty beast of an engine up. All of a sudden, 
while I was trying to put the dipstick back into the tube (without 
excsesive violence) I could feel something snap. When I pulled the 
dipstick out, the lower 3-5 centimeters of the dipstick was missing. 
(cracked at the notch marking "lowest level of oil") 
I had my hopes up and was wishing that the piece was still stuck in 
the tube..., but no. It had fallen into the oilpan.

I have talked to some people and there should be no danger in 
starting the engine. But of course you don't want a piece of metal 
flying around in there.
So I'll have to empty the "oil-sump" (dunno the word in english, 
having the mother-tounge of the swedish-chef, hope you know that I'm 
talking about), trickle the oil and use a magnet to see if I can find 
it. Apparently the plug doesn't come with a magnet as standard in 
this engine for those who wondered. 
Of course I'll also have to change the oil pan gasket while I'm down 
there.

The probable reason for the dipstick breaking must be that the tube 
more or less looks like the letter "S" in 3D. Strange, I can't 
imagine that's how it's supposed to be. 

Has this happened to anyone else?

Anyway, I thought I'd warn you all for this plainly ludicrous mishap.

So, check your the tube, and maybe replace the dipstick since the 
metal could be fatigued. Thats my own layman diagnostic and remedy.
PJGrady has got the dipstick. (I'm sure you can find it at other 
places to)

Cruise well and take care.

Viktor Tilander #2949 Stockholm, Sweden




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:42:20 -0500
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: "Car Love"

My company, Ketchum, is preparing to launch a national program for a
client, and we are searching for extraordinary examples of CAR LOVE --
personal and unique expressions of affection towards your car. 

People show CAR LOVE in different ways, from practical rituals like
weekly car washes during harsh Midwestern winters, to the extreme -
naming one's child after their car (Camaro, El Dorado or ELDO, it
happens).

If you'd like, please send me examples of your CAR LOVE. Reply
personally to this account (dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com) with your story
and we might publish your response on www.carlove.org (not yet active);
if preferred, we will observe complete anonymity when posting.

Thanks,

-Dave Stragand



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:42:59 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder

i just watched the show and i laughed at the part when some guy said the only problem
with the car is when someone parks next to you, you cant open the doors.

mark



"d_rex_2002 " wrote:

> Reminder:
>
> VH1 website has posted a schedule of the 10 hour mini series called
> "I Love the 80's".  It will aire 2 hours a night for 5 days, with
> each year getting a 1 hour show.  Tonight, December 16th begins with
> 1980 (9/8c pm) followed by 1981 (10/9c pm) on VH1.  The website does
> have a brief mention of the first production Delorean rolling off the
> assembly line, listed in the details of the 1981 show.
>
> Not sure at this point how big or how small the segment will be on
> the Delorean, but if nothing else, it will be a nice reminder of
> what was going on in the rest of the world during 1981, which may
> be the "first view" for some of the younger crowd out there.  Also
> not sure at this point if there are other Delorean references in the
> 1982 or subsequent shows, mentioning the drug bust and bankruptcy.
>
> Let's hope the Delorean info is accurate, as well as positive, at
> least for the 1981 show.  Tamir sent them some good stuff.
>
> Don't forget to set your VCR (I think I'll break out the old Beta).
>
> Later,
> Rich W.
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Tamir Ardon" <tamir_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > Thought I would let everyone know the DeLorean will be mentioned in
> an
> > upcoming series on VH1 called, "I love the 80's".  The car will be
> mentioned
> > with video footage in its second episode, "1981," which will be
> aired:
> >
> > Monday Dec. 16
> > 10/9c PM
> > VH1
> >
> > The producers for the show contacted me a few months ago and I
> supplied them
> > with some footage, so I am assuming they will be using some of that
> footage
> > for the show.  Hopefully their comments/text content is flattering,
> but you
> > never know what they will decide to focus on with the DeLorean?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tamir
> > http://www.entermyworld.com
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:44:18 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: I Love the 80's Segment

Hey List,

Well...first off, kudos to Tamir for the primo footage! :O )

Pretty decent segment, as far as content & footage, but otherwise
a bit hollow as far as facts.  The first "dis-info" was the comment about

the gullwing doors banging other doors in a parking lot.  Second, the
segment mostly touched on celebrity's take on the car, then made
fun of the drug scandal, not even showing/ telling about Mr. DeLorean's
acquittal.

Then came the joke about the DeLorean looking like a vagina, and a 
maxi with wings....I'll never quite look at our beloved cars the same way
again... :O )

Anyway, great shots, turned sucky when the propaganda came on.....
shame they couldn't have stuck to more relevant facts about the car.

Was that a fiberglass show car....looked fake, but really cool though!

Later Days,
Robert G.

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:47:15 -0600
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th

Wow, that was pretty brutal.  I've heard my car compared to a lot of things,
but never a part of the female anatomy.

For those who missed the show on VH1, let me recap the sentiments expressed
by the "celebrities" they interviewed:

* repeated the myth of people being trapped in the car when they parked too
close to other cars

* claimed the car "sucked" and only started selling once the cocaine scandal
hit (jokingly referred to as a marketing ploy to sell the cars)

* suggested that JZD's "punishment" should have been "to be locked in one of
his own cars"

* made fun of the fact that the car was named after JZD

* compared the car to "a maxi pad with wings," as well as a...well, see
comment above (not sure how they figure it looks like that)

Good footage of the car, though.  Too bad they chose to portray it the way
they did.

__________________
Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681 (Nov '81)





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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:20:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Final drive and Torsion questions

From your description I am guessing you mean the right output seal on 
the final drive is leaking. If that is what you are referring to you 
don't have to drop the trans. All you really have to remove is the 
half-shaft and you only have to remove the end at the trans and let it 
hang. Be careful removing the large spanner nut (you should have the 
special tool but if you are gentle you can get by without it) and 
count the # of turns so you can put it back exactly as it was. You 
will probably find that the sealing surface on the output flange is 
scored so in addition to a new seal you will either have to have the 
flange repaired or you will have to get another. The definitive 
article on doing the torsion bar adjustment is in an old Delorean 
World. You need some special tools and a helper to do the adjustment 
so if you have never even seen it done it is best if you can find a 
local group, someone in it will be able to help.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "stitsien <stitsien_at_dml_l...>" 
<stitsien_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> Howdy all seems like the only time I post is when I have an issue. 
My 
> final drive on my automatic is leaking some of the ninety weight 
gear 
> oil when its cold and been sitting here in Vegas at night. At first 
> thought it was coming from the bottom area through a gasket or 
> because a bolt was loose. Over the weekend though I put it up on 
ramp 
> and found the issue was a more obvious one. Its coming from right 
had 
> side ever so slowly from the seal/O ring because the other driver 
> just never drove it I guess and now that I am at the helm in a month 
> and a half I have almost a 1,000 on it. I have a local shop here in 
> town DMCVEGAS referred me to that I have checked out and will have 
> them work on it but I wanted to know what advise the board would 
have 
> for this situation. I was thinking of doing this myself but I am not 
> sure if I would need to drop the whole training or now " the manual 
> is kind of nebulas on this point." In short if I don't drop the 
whole 
> training what would I have to do to get access to the O ring? And 
> advice would be greatly appreciated.  Also now that I think about it 
> does anyone here know of a good source to read up on Torsion bar 
> adjustments? I have read about the hazards on them and precautions 
> that must be taken but I would like to at least consider me in the 
> garage giving it a try with all the proper information on the table 
> for a twenty minute job as opposed to drive the car to DMC Huston or 
> Cali for itů. Even though it's a good excuse to visit Disney Land.
> 
> Matthew Stits
> 0789




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 05:19:13 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: The dipstick broke inside the tube.

"Oil sump" is the tube where oil is sucked from the pan into the oil
pump. Should be protected by a hefty screen, not too fine a mesh but
stout enough to resist nasty bits that occasionally make their way
into bottom of an engine (at least on American blocks -- anyone popped
the pan off their PRV?). My concern wouldn't be sucking the end up,
but rather having it hit a crankshaft bearing as it dips into the oil.
Unlikely, but possible (I once had one hit a jamb nut that had fallen
through. Sounded terrible. Dented the pan, but everything survived OK).

Sometimes I scratch my head at these silver cars, but this time JZD
may come to your rescue. Frame crossmember is located BEHIND (in
front?) of the oil pan. Shouldn't be anything to interfere with
dropping the pan and fishing out your piece. You'll need a new gasket
or a tube of engine silicone to put it back (remember NOT to tighten
ever living mess out of the bolts -- pressure's on the other side of
the pump). Re-check the bolts periodically to ensure they stay snug.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "mantrobax <ownerof_at_dml_d...>"
<ownerof_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Ol' Murphy and his law came to visit me the other day.
> Oh evil, evil world...hehe.
> 
> I was messing about with the engine, refilling motoroil, checking the 
> level as I filled the thirsty beast of an engine up. All of a sudden, 
> while I was trying to put the dipstick back into the tube (without 
> excsesive violence) I could feel something snap. When I pulled the 
> dipstick out, the lower 3-5 centimeters of the dipstick was missing. 
> (cracked at the notch marking "lowest level of oil") 
> I had my hopes up and was wishing that the piece was still stuck in 
> the tube..., but no. It had fallen into the oilpan.
> 
> I have talked to some people and there should be no danger in 
> starting the engine. But of course you don't want a piece of metal 
> flying around in there.
> So I'll have to empty the "oil-sump" (dunno the word in english, 
> having the mother-tounge of the swedish-chef, hope you know that I'm 
> talking about), trickle the oil and use a magnet to see if I can find 
> it. Apparently the plug doesn't come with a magnet as standard in 
> this engine for those who wondered. 
> Of course I'll also have to change the oil pan gasket while I'm down 
> there.
> 
> The probable reason for the dipstick breaking must be that the tube 
> more or less looks like the letter "S" in 3D. Strange, I can't 
> imagine that's how it's supposed to be. 
> 
> Has this happened to anyone else?
> 
> Anyway, I thought I'd warn you all for this plainly ludicrous mishap.
> 
> So, check your the tube, and maybe replace the dipstick since the 
> metal could be fatigued. Thats my own layman diagnostic and remedy.
> PJGrady has got the dipstick. (I'm sure you can find it at other 
> places to)
> 
> Cruise well and take care.
> 
> Viktor Tilander #2949 Stockholm, Sweden




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:56:41 -0800 (PST)
From: TOM RIMKUS <jonas19992000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder

Someone record and post it digitally....PLEASE

My beta is broken.


send me the link off list

--- "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>"
<rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net> wrote:
> Reminder:
> 
> VH1 website has posted a schedule of the 10 hour
> mini series called
> "I Love the 80's".  It will aire 2 hours a night for
> 5 days, with
> each year getting a 1 hour show.  Tonight, December
> 16th begins with
> 1980 (9/8c pm) followed by 1981 (10/9c pm) on VH1. 
> The website does
> have a brief mention of the first production
> Delorean rolling off the
> assembly line, listed in the details of the 1981
> show.
> 
> Not sure at this point how big or how small the
> segment will be on
> the Delorean, but if nothing else, it will be a nice
> reminder of
> what was going on in the rest of the world during
> 1981, which may
> be the "first view" for some of the younger crowd
> out there.  Also
> not sure at this point if there are other Delorean
> references in the
> 1982 or subsequent shows, mentioning the drug bust
> and bankruptcy.
> 
> Let's hope the Delorean info is accurate, as well as
> positive, at
> least for the 1981 show.  Tamir sent them some good
> stuff.
> 
> Don't forget to set your VCR (I think I'll break out
> the old Beta).
> 
> Later,
> Rich W.
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Tamir Ardon"
> <tamir_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> > Dear List,
> > 
> > Thought I would let everyone know the DeLorean
> will be mentioned in 
> an
> > upcoming series on VH1 called, "I love the 80's". 
> The car will be 
> mentioned
> > with video footage in its second episode, "1981,"
> which will be 
> aired:
> > 
> > Monday Dec. 16
> > 10/9c PM
> > VH1
> > 
> > The producers for the show contacted me a few
> months ago and I 
> supplied them
> > with some footage, so I am assuming they will be
> using some of that 
> footage
> > for the show.  Hopefully their comments/text
> content is flattering, 
> but you
> > never know what they will decide to focus on with
> the DeLorean?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Tamir
> > http://www.entermyworld.com
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:16:05 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder

Having just seen the segment on the DeLorean, I can honestly say that it was 
complete shit! Aside from numerous inaacuracies about both the car and the 
man, very insulting remarks were made about both JZD, and the owners of 
the cars. In a nut shell it was stated that sports car owners must have small 
penises, and therefore John DeLorean must have a vagina since he named 
the car after himself! And no, you did not read that sentance wrong. And of 
course there were otherthings from calling the ugly, to outright describing it as 
"...a maxi-pad with wings".  Aside from this there was also the insinuations that 
not only is John DeLorean in jail, but he supposedly had a cocaine habit that 
brought down the company.

I am totally insulted by this! I feel that VH-1 and Viacom networks owe us all 
an appology! If you'd like to contact them as much as I do to let them know 
how you feel, the number to Viacom networks is:  (212) 846-8000. Better yet 
though, I have dug up a list of various contacts for VP's, and Communications 
directors for MTV Networks which oversees the programming for VH1 as well.

www.ncta.com/guidebook_pdfs/MTV_Nets.pdf

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I saw no disclaimer stating that the opinions 
presented were of the individuals saying them. So that means that they agree 
with the statements made. At the very least, an appology is in order. At the 
very most, a libel suit againt the broadcast company and/or the show's 
producer(s) is in order!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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