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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1312
Date: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:37 AM

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1. Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder
From: "therealdmcvegas <>" <>

2. Re: BTTF video release
From: "" <>

3. Making Good Impressions Of Our Car...
From: "whocruiser <>" <>

4. RE: BTTF Widescreen DVD.
From: "Jack Stiefel" <>

5. Rear ended
From: "Mike" <>

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:42:12 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <>" <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in VH1 Show - Dec. 16th reminder

(Moderator's note: Robert closes here with an invitaion to futher the discussion off line. I agree, what more can be said on this subject here on the list, the subject has run it's course so I'll end it here.
Bruce Benson, this week's moderator)

WHAT? We should be happy because the DeLorean simply got a mention on 
their show, no matter what kind of comments were made?!? That is in no way 
acceptable! I get engouh attention in my own car that I don't need to "beg for 
crumbs" by having someone run some footage of the car on TV. I have put a 
great deal of love into my car, and have gotten back an even greater amount 
of pride in return. So for some mongloid that calls themselves an actor to 
simply rip my car apart in the feeble attempt to gain attention for themselves, I 
take great offence because that really does hurt me! Occurances such as this 
program should not be ignored. We should contact those people who are 
responsable and let them know how we feel. Let it be known that it isn't 

As far as Quentin Wilson is concerned, he is not an expert. Just as many 
descriptions on the internet state, he is simply a presenter on a television 
show. Quentin Wilson is to the automotive world what Bob Villa is to 
homebuilders. He's just an actor on a television show wearing a mic, and 
reading a script. That's all. His case though is a bit differant than most. His is 
not a case of typical ignorance, the man seems to have an outright vendetta 
against the DeLorean. Why, I've no idea. Maybe he tried to buy one once and 
got turned down for financing. Who knows. In any case he is yet another 
person trying to negativly exploit the DeLorean image for whatever gains.

Both JZD, and the DMC-12 are popular icons, albeit not the most mainstream. 
And that of course is the the downside. Because of such an amount of 
negative press over the years, it is assumed that these are subects that 
should be lambasted. Awareness is good, but it only goes so far. It's easier to 
change a law than it is a tradition. So, what I propose that we should do is 
make it "Politicly Incorrect" to say anything negative about the either the man, 
or the car. If someone comes up with an inaccuracy, not only correct them, but 
educate them in a way so that they will *want* to learn more (explaining the 
underbody process/design is a quick way to accomplish this). And if someone 
throws an off color remark at you about the car, don't be afraid to tell them it 
wasn't funny, and that you don't appriciate it. If diplomacy is being able to tell 
someone that they're going to hell in such a way that they look forward to the 
trip, then it should be no problem to plant the seed of self-doubt in someone 
who just told you that offensive comment that they should feel somewhat 
guilty about what they just said.

I know this is something pretty heavy to say, but a good numer of people here 
appear to feel the same way.

There is more to say about the subject, and if you'd like to know shoot me an 
e-mail off the list.

vin 6585 "X"


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:25:14 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: "" <>
Subject: Re: BTTF video release

Can't speak about too many other stores, but Best Buy in Pensacola
definately went all out for the BTTF release.  We put up stantion ropes
around my DMC and put it on the front sidewalk advertising the release. 
Definately got a rouse out of the Christmas crowd.



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:39:08 -0000
From: "whocruiser <>" <>
Subject: Making Good Impressions Of Our Car...

The thought just came to me that with Universal showing the in-
theatre promo for the Back To The Future DVD set in front of Lord Of 
The Rings the next three weeks, we could probably get quite a few 
groups of interested admirers to flock around by conspicuously 
parking our cars outside the theatres.  Great opportunity then to 
correct a few persistant false public conceptions about the D, just 
by chatting with people, or by passing out imformational handouts 
about the car (is that printable tri-fold brochure still up on the 
DMC News website to download?)  Not that I've got the time to spare 
to actually go out & do this, but for someone with the free time, and 
the inclination to do it...

Dan Harris - VIN#1662 - FL Tag# MY 81DMC


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:12:04 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <>
Subject: RE: BTTF Widescreen DVD.

You know come to think of it I never saw any images plastered in front
of Wal-Mart when Crocodile Dundee or the Die Hard Trilogy was released
either...  Guess they dropped the ball on that one too huh.  Episode II
and Spiderman were major blockbusters from last year.

Seriously, lets not forget this is a 15+ year old movie series.  This is
not some earth shattering movie trilogy released, just one of many
released each week.  I have not been able to open my discs since they
are a x-mas present, but I really don't care if there is any printing on
the discs at all, just let me know which disc is which.  Any other
problems will have to wait until next week, unless I can get the misses
to let me open them early.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
1981 Delorean Vin 03461 August 1981 Build
1988 Jaguar XJ-SC Cabriolet Edition
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Abato [] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 07:39
Subject: RE: [DML] BTTF Widescreen DVD.

Was it worth the wait?  No....

I think these Discs don't have a lot to offer REAL fans.  For all the
time we waited, the extras are minimal (outtakes, and deleted scenes
were not all that fantastic), the work that was put into the layout,
extras, and cover art were lacking severely and the actual printing of
the images on the physical disc was lacking severely!

For something that was five years in the making...why does it seem like
this done quick and dirty?

When Star wars episode II and Spiderman came out earlier this year, all
the major stores (Wal Mart, etc.) and video stores had images PLASTERED
on the windows and in their flyers.  I drove past several video stores
yesterday on the way home, and saw NO sign of BTTF.  :(   I think the
release was not handled well by Universal.  They did little to promote
it other then a few TV spots that ran in the past 5-7 days.

Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680

-----Original Message-----
From: therealdmcvegas <> [] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:14 AM
Subject: [DML] BTTF Widescreen DVD.

In light of recent negative publicity, here is something to cheer
everyone on 
the list here up.

On the way home from work, I stopped by Wal Mart and picked up a copy of

BTTF Widescreen Edition DVD set. In a nutshell, it was really money well

spent! DeLorean specific, I've never seen another production that puts
DMC into a more positive light. Especially the interview with Bob Gale
on the 
use of a DeLorean for the movie. There are quite a few concept drawings
how they were looking at modifying the car (all quite astounding!), and
segment at the end where Bob Gale reads off a thank-you/fan letter from
DeLorean himself stating how pleased he was with the use of the car in
original movie.

The negative side is that you can really tell that the producers were
for space on the DVD discs. The DeLorean, and other "making of", and 
behind the scenes segments seem to be divided between the discs. While 
very informative about the car durring the pop-up animations about the
facts, there was only one descrepincy. And that was the 4-cylinder
fact. I don't know if this was a typo, or stating what the cars were
replaced with. 
In any case, this is nothing compared to the rest of the information
on the DVD's. Many accurate, and positive facts about the car are

The movies of course are great! The sharpest video and audio I've ever
the movies in. The brushed stainless steen sheen on the car is beautiful
you can see in the footage of BTTF1. I must now figure in on having my
reburnished one day to get it to look like that! And the clairity when
still images of the movie. I've always been told that my wheels look
when spinning, but now that I've really seen them upclose in a still
they are amazing! They create the illusion that the wheels are solid,
and the 
niches in the spokes really define the lines! Now that I've finally seen
upclose, and clearly, I'll never consider swapping my wheels out again
for a 
custom set. You really have to see it to know what I mean.

Obviously if you're any kind of a fan of the movies, the DVD set is a
must have 
(avoid the VCD's on eBay). The info pop-ups pointed out details in the
that I've never even seen before! But even if you're not, I would still 
reccomend the set as an essential addition to any DeLorean collection
for the 
material contained within. Just make sure that you get the proper set.
There is 
a Widescreen Edition, and a seperate Fullscreen Edition for what ever
tates are.

With the info pop-ups, and all of the voiceover commentary, it'll
probably take 
me about a week to fully cover all the content on the discs. And I still
need to 
get a DVD-ROM drive on top of that!

But, the big question: Was it worth the wait for the discs?

Yes! ;)

vin 6585 "X"

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:32:43 -0800
From: "Mike" <>
Subject: Rear ended

Hello list,
My worst fear happened, REAR ENDED!
So far I have the total up to $1,974.00 in replacement parts. And it doesn't
include nuts, bolts, discontinued exhaust bracket, paint and labor. He's
insured but I never heard of Superior Insurance group.

I'm sure this situation has happened to others. Did anyone have to hassle
with THEIR insurance companies? Did they refuse to cover any damages because
of being a DeLorean? Did you have your work done at a DeLorean facility?

I'm about 30 miles from Don Steger, I want him to make repairs.
Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

Angry Mike


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