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Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:19 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Teflon oil additive
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

3. DCS Magazine
From: "gullwingmagazine <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>

4. Re: RE: ANNOUNCING 2003 DELOREAN CALENDAR!
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

5. Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. D's and Synth
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

7. Delorean with its tail between its legs
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

8. Re: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

10. Re: Delorean with its tail between its legs
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

11. Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

12. why are people so insane?
From: "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: DMC2 Watch
From: "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113(AT)yahoo.com>

14. Re: Re: Teflon oil additive
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Re: Teflon oil additive
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: Teflon oil additive
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. Happy Holidays
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

18. Re: Ken's Magazine is here!
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com

19. RE: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

20. Re: why are people so insane?
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

21. gas stations
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:46:07 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

In a message dated 12/21/02 2:01:16 PM Central Standard Time, 
RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com writes:


> Or maybe we could all take the "sting" out of their supposed Delorean 
> knowledge by putting a license plate saying "DRG DLER" on our cars, putting 
> white power on the door sills, fascias, and our noses, and laugh really 
> loudly and obnoxiously when we get out of the car.  Maybe then they would 
> think *we're* stupid and would leave us alone so we don't have to hear 
> their stupidity.
> 
> Richard  

Richard,

go right ahead! i think you'd get pulled over almost as much as DR BONG!!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:27:25 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Teflon oil additive

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Senatorpack_at_dml_c... wrote:
> 
> Is Mobil one synthetic better than conventional oils? 
> 
> My BMW's (and other European Cars) have a decal attached under the 
hood "requesting" the use of Mobil One synthetic. 
> 
> The BMW dealers use zero 0w/30 oil.
> 
> Michael Pack

From many pages online both by Synthetic oil manufacturers, and 3rd parties, 
all agree that Synthetic oils do indeed have benefits over conventional motor 
oils. Specificly, the benefit is increased resistance to wear within various 
categorites, which in turn leads to longer engine life & $ savings. Now as a 
disclaimer, I'm no ASE certified mechanic, these are just paraphrases of 
simular claims by both regular people, and synthetic manufacturers that I've 
found on the internet (and of course if it's on the internet it must be true, right? 
:p), as well as other sources. So if somthing is wrong here, please correct me.

1.First of course is that synthetics have longer intervals between oil changes. 
This is the biggest factor of all that offsets the higher price ( the biggest turn off 
for DeLoreans due to how much we use!), if not make them cheaper 
according to some.

2. Syntheics don't nessisary lubricate "better" per se as they can lubricate 
quicker because of a better flow when either hot or cold. And of course the 
next reason...

3. Synthetics are even more resistant to breakdown and oxydation due to 
extreme temperatures and harsher environments.

4. And of course there are the other things such as resistance to 
contaiminates, less wear on components, and improved fuel economy due to 
less resistance.

The only disadvantage I've seen is the "older seals can develop a leak issue". 
Synthetic doesn't damage oil seals, but since it flows easier/has smaller 
molecules, it can flow thru smaller cracks in seals where conventional oil 
would not have. As far as this goes, I've seen an even split between people 
who've actually switched to synthetic (vs. those who "know" someone who 
has) that this will or will not occur. I'm assuming there are other variables 
though that have contributed to this, so I'm still not 100% convinced that leaks 
will or will not occur.

Now if you have a vehicle that specificly requests the exclusive use of 
synthetic oils, then you do definatly need to stick with them. Newer engines 
that require specific types/grades of motor oils do so because they are 
engineered specificly for them. Anything other than these stated can reduce 
econmy, and increase wear, aside from even voiding the vehicle's warranty in 
some cases. As was explained to me, some newer motors can have smaller 
ports where the oil passes thru than previous, and the wrong oil will not be 
able to flow thru as fast causing less lubrication.

Now as to which type of synthetic motor oil to use, who knows. Apparently 
some petrolium companies are changing the definition of "synthetic oil", so 
I've no clue. However, I can tell you this. When you buy synthetic oil, watch out 
for that "Multi-blend" stuff. It's just regular oil with a little synthetic blended in to 
up the price a bit. That it itself defeats the purpose of using synthetics.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:51:31 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: DCS Magazine

Got my copy of the premier issue of DCS magazine today also.  Very 
nicely done!

Even if you went to the show, get the mag.  It gives you different 
views and info about the show that you may have missed.  Nice 
coverage and a good way to keep the memories.

If you didnt go to the show, well... you just gotta get it to see 
what you missed!

Good job Ken!

Ron




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:21:56 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: RE: ANNOUNCING 2003 DELOREAN CALENDAR!

will you be taking paypal for these calendars?

mark



"gullwingmagazine " wrote:

>      ANNOUNCING 2003 DELOREAN CALENDAR!
>
> Now available for only $12.00 + $1.50 shipping (add $1.15 shipping
> for each additional calendar order up to 3).  Please request shipping
> charges for quantities over 3 and foreign rates.
>
> Our 8X10 full-color glossy 12 month calendar includes unique and
> interesting photos of gullwing dream Deloreans thanks to the
> photographic talents from many of our group members.
>
>      Credits to the collection...
>
> Jack & Virginia Stiefel, Cape Vincent, NY
> Kevin Creason, Houston, TX
> Josh Haldeman, Cincinnati, OH
> Oliver & Terry Holler, N. Myrtle Beach, SC
> Marty Maier, Alton, IL
> Greg Linstad, Vancouver, Canada
> Ron Wester, St. Peters, MO
> Jim Sawyer, Snohomish, WA
> Toby Peterson, Issaquah, WA
> Marc A. Levy, Bedminster, NJ
> Kevin Abato, Princeton, NJ
> Cheryl Wester, Clayton, MO
>
> ORDER YOUR COPY TODAY by sending check or money order to:
>
>      GULLWING MAGAZINE
>      P.O. BOX 991
>      ST. PETERS, MO  63376
>
> (orders will be shipped to address on check unless stated otherwise)
>
> Now accepting new photo submissions for consideration in our 2004
> Delorean Calendar at the address listed above or the e-mail address
> listed below.  2005 Calenders will be available at the Pigeon Forge
> event.
>
> Thank you,
> Ron & Cheryl Wester
> GULLWING MAGAZINE
> gullwingmagazine(at)juno.com
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:54:14 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

One of the funniest times in a gas station happened when I was at 
Ken's first show in Cincinatti. A bunch of us decided we needed to gas 
up so we drove around looking for a nearby station. We all pulled in 
and started gassing up when the attendant (a young boy) came out and 
said "I never saw a Delorean up close before in my life and now here 
are 10 of them!!!!!" It made our evening especially when we got back 
and told others.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kkoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I am willing to put them down in the magazine if you all will write 
them down 
> and send them in 
> 
> Ken
> deloreancarshow.com
> DeLorean Car Show Magazine
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:40:21 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: D's and Synth

I have used Mobil 1 in my car for years.   I have seen no adverse 
effects.  Since my car is not driven in the winter I also wanted an oil 
that would not turn into a cement block in the oil pan.   I run my car 
every week during the winter.....which is sometimes more than when I do 
have it out in the summer as I don't always get to drive it when I'm 
working.   Mobil 1 have assured me a quick start with no strain due to 
the fact that it remains fluid even in extreme cold.  I also use it in 
all my other cars (76 Ford F150, 99 Cabrio, 97 Jeep G.C.)

As for cost.......well, I think that the benefits outweight the cost 
difference.  I understand that some might not be as concerned with cold 
issues.   Modern conventional oil changed regularly is fine but for us 
Northen folk its the most awful sound in the world to hear an engine try 
to turn over when you know that the oil in the pan at -20 is like frozen 
molassas!!    It takes too long for the oil to get really warm to 
circulate properly, I cringe at the thought of my ice cold engine 
running with no oil  flowing.  

To save on price, our 1990 Jetta that had 190,000 miles on it was run 
with synthetic in the winter and conventional in the summer.  This 
engine still runs great and would still be on the road if my teenager 
hadn't rolled it over and destoyed it.   (car is available for 
$200......new tranny too!  come and get it!)  I saw no adverse effect 
from switching back and forth.  


Tom
#005732




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:25:36 -0500
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Delorean with its tail between its legs

Last night a friend and I were driving down the road, him in his '84 accord 
and me in my Delorean.  We got stopped at a stoplight and we decided to race 
off the line.  To keep some dignity I beat him, but a VW Jetta came racing up 
behind me.  I followed him until we got to a pretty big upward hill, then I 
slammed it back into fourth and floored it.   I flew past the Jetta and once 
he saw me, he just took off and blew by me.  After he was further ahead he 
lifted off, and me still having it floored doing 80 comes back along side him, 
only for him to shoot off again into the night.  He was just toying with me.  
So once again, I got burnt by another little 4 cylinder.  Thats ok because my 
car looked 10 times better than him, and one of these days i'll have my 
revenge.

Willie
Vin 5043
VT DMC




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:44:04 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

The best "duhhh" I ever had at the gas pump was in my first week of ownership 
of my DeLorean. At the time I was living in East Lansing Michigan (home of 
the infamous riot in which MSU students flipped a DeLorean) and I was at the 
gas pump filling the tank as usual... an older man (about 65 years old or so) 
walks over and starts asking questions about the car. First think out of his 
mouth is "Boy that sure is a neat car! ....is that a new electric car?" 
...right as I'm standing there with gas nozzle in hand at a Mobil station. It 
was seriously hard not to laugh.

Justin
5172

PS - VH1 will never apologize for what they allowed to go on air about our 
beloved DeLoreans... VH1 and Viacom couldn't give to craps about all the 
victims families that are suffering every time they glorify murders and 
rapists on that "prison rock" show they have been airing lately. All they 
were trying to do with those 80's programs are exploit the fads and fashions 
of the era, and make a mountain out of a mole hill by interviewing "divas" 
and plastering their half-witted opinion all over the show. As a law student, 
I dont seriously think that filing a class action would go anywhere, but If I 
were Tamir I certainly would give those bastards a call.



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:48:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com wrote:

> Or maybe we could all take the "sting" out of their supposed Delorean
> knowledge by putting a license plate saying "DRG DLER" on our cars,
> putting white power on the door sills, fascias, and our noses, and laugh
> really loudly and obnoxiously when we get out of the car.

When I purchased mine, it came with California plate "WYT LYNZ" (just
think about it for a while).  The plate has since been replaced with a
regular, boring Texas plate.  Honestly I suspect I'm more likely to have
police problems now than before, because I lack Texas' required front
plate, although I've made it a year with no problems yet.

-andrew
 #4115
 Houston TX




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:04:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean with its tail between its legs

On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, wmack wrote:

> ...but a VW Jetta came racing up behind me.  I followed him until we got
> to a pretty big upward hill, then I slammed it back into fourth and
> floored it.  I flew past the Jetta and once he saw me, he just took off
> and blew by me.  [...] So once again, I got burnt by another little 4
> cylinder.

The VW/Audi I4 engine is not just another "little 4 cylinder."  The 1.8
liter turbo engine in those cars is just under 200 horsepower in stock
form, and a simple chip upgrade adds about 30 horsepower.  A complete
turbo upgrade brings them up to 250-300 horsepower.  It's a very torquey
engine at all these power levels, too.

When I was considering an engine swap on my Delorean, before deciding that
it was just too involved, the VW 1.8T was one of the engines I was
seriously considering using.

So don't feel bad.  You weren't beaten by just another little four
cylinder.  You were beaten by a really nice little four cylinder.  :)

-andrew
 #4115
 Houston TX



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:07:24 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

A group of us caravanned down to the DMC Houston warehouse opening in
August of 2000. We stopped at a gas station just outside of Norman, OK.
While we were there a lady pulled up to Marty Maier and I and asked, "Is
that thar one of them thar Mazzeratties?" <-- The spelling really can't
bring out the Oklahoma "good 'ol boy" accent, or the way she butchered
Maserati when she said it. My wife and I still think of that and get a
laugh out of it occasionally.

Mark N
VIN 6820
http://www.midstatedmc.com/



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:05 -0000
From: "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: why are people so insane?

on the for sale page theres a delorean with 53 miles on it....the 
seller is asking 50,000 for it...i was seriously gonna make a 
respectable cash offer until he threw 50gs out there...just think 
for 20gs more you can own #502,backed by Rob Grady too...happy 
holidays




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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:21:03 -0000
From: "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DMC2 Watch

i dont own the watch but was considering purchasing one just last 
week...im under the impression that the deloreantime website has 
been slightly updated recently....which peaked my 
curiousity ...considering the prices of some deloreans a 3500 
investment towards a shot at a brand spankin 30g new delorean is 
worthwhile to me...i only 
wish they would become a reality....to quote a friend of mine 
though..."the watch would be as worthless as the car should they 
never be produced"...hes not a delorean lover




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:44:48 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Teflon oil additive

In a message dated 12/22/02 10:16:51 AM Central Standard Time, 
DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com writes:


> However, I can tell you this. When you buy synthetic oil, watch out 
> for that "Multi-blend" stuff. It's just regular oil with a little synthetic 
> blended in to 
> up the price a bit. That it itself defeats the purpose of using synthetics.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
> 

Robert and others:
the 'multiblend' oils (such as Quaker State Semi-synthetic, Valvoline 
Durablend, etc) are not something to necessarily 'watch out' for.  if you are 
looking for full synthetic, then yes you would obviously avoid this, but it's 
not just a way for them to make more money - the 'multiblends' certainly do 
have some degree of superiority over conventional petroleum-based oils, but 
are also not as flexible and superior as a full-synthetic.  multiblends are 
an economical 'middle road' for people who care about their cars more than 
the average person or who subject their cars to frequent short trips, etc, 
but for those who do not wish to pay a premium price for a premium oil.

in short, there is nothing 'bad' about these oils - they are merely an option 
which the buyer can choose when factoring driving habits vs. money vs. 
maintenence habits.  if old leaky seals are indeed an issue - then perhaps a 
multiblend is a good choice for a D owner.

in case anyone is wondering what kind of oil i personally use in my DeLorean, 
i have been running just regular Mobil 10w40. 

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:46:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Teflon oil additive

The current thread on the use of "synthetic oil" all
started because of a request for information about oil
with a teflon additive.  PLEASE understand that
"synthetic oils" do NOT have teflon additives - -
UNLESS THEY SAY SO.

Synthetic oils - YES.  Teflon additives - NO.

Dick Ryan


--- "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>"
<DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com> wrote:
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Senatorpack_at_dml_c...
> wrote:
> > 
> > Is Mobil one synthetic better than conventional
> oils? 
> > 
> > My BMW's (and other European Cars) have a decal
> attached under the 
> hood "requesting" the use of Mobil One synthetic. 
> > 
> > The BMW dealers use zero 0w/30 oil.
> > 
> > Michael Pack
> 
> From many pages online both by Synthetic oil
> manufacturers, and 3rd parties, 
> all agree that Synthetic oils do indeed have
> benefits over conventional motor 
> oils. Specificly, the benefit is increased
> resistance to wear within various 
> categorites, which in turn leads to longer engine
> life & $ savings. Now as a 
> disclaimer, I'm no ASE certified mechanic, these are
> just paraphrases of 
> simular claims by both regular people, and synthetic
> manufacturers that I've 
> found on the internet (and of course if it's on the
> internet it must be true, right? 
> :p), as well as other sources. So if somthing is
> wrong here, please correct me.
> 
> 1.First of course is that synthetics have longer
> intervals between oil changes. 
> This is the biggest factor of all that offsets the
> higher price ( the biggest turn off 
> for DeLoreans due to how much we use!), if not make
> them cheaper 
> according to some.
> 
> 2. Syntheics don't nessisary lubricate "better" per
> se as they can lubricate 
> quicker because of a better flow when either hot or
> cold. And of course the 
> next reason...
> 
> 3. Synthetics are even more resistant to breakdown
> and oxydation due to 
> extreme temperatures and harsher environments.
> 
> 4. And of course there are the other things such as
> resistance to 
> contaiminates, less wear on components, and improved
> fuel economy due to 
> less resistance.
> 
> The only disadvantage I've seen is the "older seals
> can develop a leak issue". 
> Synthetic doesn't damage oil seals, but since it
> flows easier/has smaller 
> molecules, it can flow thru smaller cracks in seals
> where conventional oil 
> would not have. As far as this goes, I've seen an
> even split between people 
> who've actually switched to synthetic (vs. those who
> "know" someone who 
> has) that this will or will not occur. I'm assuming
> there are other variables 
> though that have contributed to this, so I'm still
> not 100% convinced that leaks 
> will or will not occur.
> 
> Now if you have a vehicle that specificly requests
> the exclusive use of 
> synthetic oils, then you do definatly need to stick
> with them. Newer engines 
> that require specific types/grades of motor oils do
> so because they are 
> engineered specificly for them. Anything other than
> these stated can reduce 
> econmy, and increase wear, aside from even voiding
> the vehicle's warranty in 
> some cases. As was explained to me, some newer
> motors can have smaller 
> ports where the oil passes thru than previous, and
> the wrong oil will not be 
> able to flow thru as fast causing less lubrication.
> 
> Now as to which type of synthetic motor oil to use,
> who knows. Apparently 
> some petrolium companies are changing the definition
> of "synthetic oil", so 
> I've no clue. However, I can tell you this. When you
> buy synthetic oil, watch out 
> for that "Multi-blend" stuff. It's just regular oil
> with a little synthetic blended in to 
> up the price a bit. That it itself defeats the
> purpose of using synthetics.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
> 
> 
> 
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> team, please address:
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> 
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:36:05 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Teflon oil additive

This thread reminds me of the controversy about detergent and 
non-detergent oils long ago. Every product has it's applications and 
situations that are best suited to it. If you have a motor that has 
always been on a diet of synthetic oil then the best thing to do is to 
stay with it. The converse is also true, if you have a motor that has 
been on a steady diet of ordinary oil then it is not a good thing to 
switch. On a limited use car you will not wear out the oil if you 
change it even every 2 years as it is not the oil that wears out so 
much as the additives package. If the motor is overheated it should be 
changed as soon as possible. If you can't remember when it was last 
changed or you just bought the car and don't know then change it. Keep 
an extra quart of oil in the car of the same brand so you always have 
the same oil in the motor, it isn't good to even mix brands.
 The only additive I use is Marvel Mystery Oil. I put it in a rebuilt 
engine for the initial fill and if I suspect a stuck ring or valve I 
try it and it seems to help. Other than that the products that are 
advertised only seem to do one thing, make money for the producers. If 
there was "magic in a bottle" don't you think the auto manufacurers 
would endorse it? As of now no auto manufacurer recomends ANY 
additive. The best thing you can do for any engine is to regularly 
change the oil and filter, the interval can be up to you but no more 
than 5,000 miles on ordinary oil, less is wasteful and more is pushing 
it.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> The current thread on the use of "synthetic oil" all
> started because of a request for information about oil
> with a teflon additive.  PLEASE understand that
> "synthetic oils" do NOT have teflon additives - -
> UNLESS THEY SAY SO.
> 
> Synthetic oils - YES.  Teflon additives - NO.
> 
> Dick Ryan
> 
> 
> --- "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...>"
> <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Senatorpack_at_dml_c...
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Is Mobil one synthetic better than conventional
> > oils? 
> > > 
> > > My BMW's (and other European Cars) have a decal
> > attached under the 
> > hood "requesting" the use of Mobil One synthetic. 
> > > 
> > > The BMW dealers use zero 0w/30 oil.
> > > 
> > > Michael Pack
> > 
> > From many pages online both by Synthetic oil
> > manufacturers, and 3rd parties, 
> > all agree that Synthetic oils do indeed have
> > benefits over conventional motor 
> > oils. Specificly, the benefit is increased
> > resistance to wear within various 
> > categorites, which in turn leads to longer engine
> > life & $ savings. Now as a 
> > disclaimer, I'm no ASE certified mechanic, these are
> > just paraphrases of 
> > simular claims by both regular people, and synthetic
> > manufacturers that I've 
> > found on the internet (and of course if it's on the
> > internet it must be true, right? 
> > :p), as well as other sources. So if somthing is
> > wrong here, please correct me.
> > 
> > 1.First of course is that synthetics have longer
> > intervals between oil changes. 
> > This is the biggest factor of all that offsets the
> > higher price ( the biggest turn off 
> > for DeLoreans due to how much we use!), if not make
> > them cheaper 
> > according to some.
> > 
> > 2. Syntheics don't nessisary lubricate "better" per
> > se as they can lubricate 
> > quicker because of a better flow when either hot or
> > cold. And of course the 
> > next reason...
> > 
> > 3. Synthetics are even more resistant to breakdown
> > and oxydation due to 
> > extreme temperatures and harsher environments.
> > 
> > 4. And of course there are the other things such as
> > resistance to 
> > contaiminates, less wear on components, and improved
> > fuel economy due to 
> > less resistance.
> > 
> > The only disadvantage I've seen is the "older seals
> > can develop a leak issue". 
> > Synthetic doesn't damage oil seals, but since it
> > flows easier/has smaller 
> > molecules, it can flow thru smaller cracks in seals
> > where conventional oil 
> > would not have. As far as this goes, I've seen an
> > even split between people 
> > who've actually switched to synthetic (vs. those who
> > "know" someone who 
> > has) that this will or will not occur. I'm assuming
> > there are other variables 
> > though that have contributed to this, so I'm still
> > not 100% convinced that leaks 
> > will or will not occur.
> > 
> > Now if you have a vehicle that specificly requests
> > the exclusive use of 
> > synthetic oils, then you do definatly need to stick
> > with them. Newer engines 
> > that require specific types/grades of motor oils do
> > so because they are 
> > engineered specificly for them. Anything other than
> > these stated can reduce 
> > econmy, and increase wear, aside from even voiding
> > the vehicle's warranty in 
> > some cases. As was explained to me, some newer
> > motors can have smaller 
> > ports where the oil passes thru than previous, and
> > the wrong oil will not be 
> > able to flow thru as fast causing less lubrication.
> > 
> > Now as to which type of synthetic motor oil to use,
> > who knows. Apparently 
> > some petrolium companies are changing the definition
> > of "synthetic oil", so 
> > I've no clue. However, I can tell you this. When you
> > buy synthetic oil, watch out 
> > for that "Multi-blend" stuff. It's just regular oil
> > with a little synthetic blended in to 
> > up the price a bit. That it itself defeats the
> > purpose of using synthetics.
> > 
> > -Robert
> > vin 6585 "X"
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:48:15 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Happy Holidays

I would just like to wish all of the members of the DML a Happy Holiday and a wonderful
New Year.

I dont have my Delorean yet but i have learned so much from the members of the DML and
the Delorean Midwest Connection (i am currently in this club) i surely will have no
problems with help if i need it once i finally get my car.

Thank you all!

Mark and Melissa Valuch

P.S. if anyone knows anybody looking for a Supercharged1992 Mustang GT please let me
know because this will help me get my Delorean faster.






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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:04:41 EST
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Ken's Magazine is here!

  Received my copy on Saturday also, and as Dave said, Fantastic first issue. 
Ken's new Delorean Car Show magazine is first class all the way, which is 
something we've become accustomed to with all of Ken's projects. 
   This first issue includes some great articles and coverage on shows all 
across the country. Plus many of the articles are the first of a multi part 
series, such as the build up of Curtis Bryant's unreal red Delorean show car, 
news and information from George Crane in Ireland on what it was like to 
actually be a Delorean factory employee and more. 
     Congratulations Ken, very well done magazine. I'm already looking 
forward to the next issue.

     Marty


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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:14:08 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

Got ya beat...I once had someone in NJ (while stopped at a traffic
light) ask if my car was a modified Nissan.  ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Noeltner [mailto:mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org] 
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:07 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump


A group of us caravanned down to the DMC Houston warehouse opening in
August of 2000. We stopped at a gas station just outside of Norman, OK.
While we were there a lady pulled up to Marty Maier and I and asked, "Is
that thar one of them thar Mazzeratties?" <-- The spelling really can't
bring out the Oklahoma "good 'ol boy" accent, or the way she butchered
Maserati when she said it. My wife and I still think of that and get a
laugh out of it occasionally.

Mark N
VIN 6820
http://www.midstatedmc.com/


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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:35:14 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: why are people so insane?

Who's to say that $50K isn't too low of a price? It's all about supply and 
demand, and the car itself. Especially when comparing to 502. Both of these 
cars are unique in themselves, and really have no price range to be 
compared to. Although granted there have been maybe a handful of low 
milage cars that have been sold in the past. But even then who knows what 
the prices they sold for were since these were private transactions. It's total 
apples to oranges at this point. These are two totally seperate cars in their 
own historic catergories.

Prices should go up in the future, but we probably won't see any significan't 
change within the next 2 years. Far better examles of the marque have been 
presented. When I first asking around about DeLoreans, many people related 
impressions of the cars that they had seen at auctions where they couldn't 
even move under their own power, and needed to be pushed up onto 
platforms to be auctioned off, or of people that they knew that owned one, and 
couldn't find parts. Now adays it's mostly of sightings they've seen on the cars 
on the road, and how surprised they are to actually see them. So I end up with 
alot of the same questions about where I find parts at. Interestingly enough 
they seem quite happy to hear about the availability, and seem a bit more 
interested in the car at that point. This is one reason that I too have high 
hopes for the lowmilage car going on sale next month at the Barrett-Jackson 
auction in Scottsdale, AZ. From the description and photos, it appears to not 
only be a flawless car, but one that has also been mechanicly cared for quite 
well. If the price on this car is good enough (which it should be given the 
renewing interest in the DeLorean), then we should see a nice overall 
increase of the value of our cars across the board. There is also a second car 
available, but no info is provided for it. Hopefully it's condition will not affect 
the other car's value negatively.

But is the car that you are looking at worth $50K? Hard to tell really without 
seeing both the car, and what is included in with it (documentation, 
accessories, etc...). But if it were flawless, came with all documentation, was a 
one owner car, and was mechanicly maintained and sound, then yes $50K 
would be an accetable price. After all the car in itself has now become quite 
rare with all of these attributes. And of course comparative to the prices 
currently set by other DeLorean shops. Now will the owner get that price? Not 
likely at this time, no. He/she is selling it too early IMO. Interest is not quite up 
where it should be yet. Give it some time though. In about 7-9 years, you'll 
start to see broken down, sat for so many years, I can't afford it type, yet 
repairable cars easily go for about $13-15K.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "spaceace3113 <spaceace3113_at_dml_y...>" <
spaceace3113_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> on the for sale page theres a delorean with 53 miles on it....the 
> seller is asking 50,000 for it...i was seriously gonna make a 
> respectable cash offer until he threw 50gs out there...just think 
> for 20gs more you can own #502,backed by Rob Grady too...happy 
> holidays




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:13:21 -0000
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: gas stations

Last time I went to my favorite Chevron the gas station, the attendant
remembered my car and that the hood has to open to get at the gas 
cap. (In oregon we cant pump our own gas). This A-hole started 
yanking on the hood before I had even unlatched it, and I mean 
YANKing it! I thought he was going to break something so I unlatched 
it real quick. Sheesh.

Also a dude in a tricked out VW asked me all sorts of questions about 
the deloreans wheels. The guy wants to put a set on his VW! So I gave 
him some website addresses.

Adam




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