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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 855
Date: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:46 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Releasing Luggage Compartment Lid
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Re: Poster of the Year
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. Re: Proud young Delorean owner!
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re:Youngest/Oldest Owner/Driver/Wannahave
From: "janvdwouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

5. RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car
From: jung.jack_at_dml_fin.gc.ca

6. Re: Battery hold-down strap
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

7. Front Suspension Mod's
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

8. Re: Battery hold-down strap/DW
From: "comet4055" <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>

9. Copyright Ownership
From: DesignDayPlanner_at_dml_aol.com

10. WHO was THE first Customer??
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

11. Re: caution and warning labels
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

12. RE: Front Suspension Mod's
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

13. Re: Battery hold-down strap
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Copyright Ownership
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

15. Re: Front Suspension Mod's
From: "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>

16. RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. Web Site
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:08:43 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Releasing Luggage Compartment Lid

If you are lucky the cable broke right at the bonnet release lever 
under the dash. In this case a vise-grip on what's left will open the 
bonnet. If you are unlucky then there are two possibilties. If you 
have a fuel flap you can stick a wire in and try to catch the latch 
that way. If you don't have a fuel flap then you better hope the trunk 
is empty because you have to pop the large rubber grommet by the brake 
master cylinder, push aside the carpet and start fishing with a wire 
for the latch. Of course you will have to raise the car onto 
jackstands to do it this way. Take your time and be very patient as it 
is very frustrating to do as you generaly do not succeed on your first 
several attempts. I do not feel I am giving any great secrets away 
about breaking into a Delorean as it is not easy or quick to do this. 
After getting the bonnet open and fixing the wire install the back-up 
cable so when it happens again at least you can open it easily. Same 
goes for the engine cover as far as a back-up cable although it 
doesn't seem to break as often.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Aaron PETERSON" <mrroboto1_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Is there anyone that knows how to open the lid for luggage 
compartment, if the cable comes disconnected while closed? I asked the 
DOA and they gave me instructions to go in through the brake fluid 
reservoir, but I was wondering if there is an easier way to pop the 
lid.
> 
> Aaron P.
> 
> Take Pride in who you are!
> 
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:35:57 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Poster of the Year

Dick raised a good point, Moderator of the week would be good.
Thank you, whoever you are.

Scott Mueller
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From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Poster of the Year


>
> --- Scott Mueller <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> > What I would like to see, is the name of the current
> > moderator at the top of
> > each message.
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> OR, post the "moderator of the week" each time it
> changes.  Not so we know who to "slam", but who to
> thank!!!!
>
> Dick Ryan
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:01:03 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Proud young Delorean owner!

Daniel, My 11004 also came from Spreen in Atlanta, The previous owner bought 
it for $8,000.00 off list. List was $29,995.00. He sold it to me 5 years ago 
about, for $15,000.00. Mint condition. But he lost money. He was waiting for 
the price to go up and it never did when he sold it to me.
John Hervey
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 14:38:28 -0000
From: "janvdwouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re:Youngest/Oldest Owner/Driver/Wannahave

[ Agreed, it's a dead topic:  Moderator. ]


Hello all,

Could we PLEASE stop the Youngest/Oldest postings!?
If you look in the poll-area 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls>
there are 3 (!) polls allready there, concerning age...

One has been closed, the others (one for owners, 
one for wannahaves) still run...

I Think these "me too"-messages clutter up the list too much.
On the other hand, I AM one of the youngest Dutch owners that
I know of, but not the youngest. (I'm 25).

Thanks,

Jan van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:53:56 -0500
From: jung.jack_at_dml_fin.gc.ca
Subject: RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car

The Canadian company that was selling the DeLorean and the optional BTTF kit
was Long Run Imports   (http://www.longrun.com).  They no longer have either
listed in their For Sale page.



Jack


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From: batman282_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:batman282_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:28 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Conversion parts for BTTF car


Hey again,
Well thanks to everyone who wrote back thus far, all advice shall be taken 
into careful consideration. I too remember that same kit site, it was some 
canadian company who also had a D to sell!! I'd love to find it again, I 
think it was found when i searched "Delorean's for sale". Anywhoo, to the 
gentleman building his own Time Machine, let me know how much you might want

for duplicate parts and if you could tell me (teach me) how to do the same 
it'd be most welcome!!

James


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:27:11 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Battery hold-down strap

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I don't like having to do this to you but if you can get your hands 
on 
> it, it does show you how to do it. I am refering to Delorean World
>  Vol 11 #2 the Tech Quest article by John Truscott. Even with the 
> picture it is not easy. 

> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757


> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> > Hello list members,
> > 
> > Can anyone please tell me how to thread the battery hold-down 
strap 
> through the buckle. 
> > 
> > Joe
> > VIN 6467


There is a general view in the Electrical Manual, Section 3 
Subsection 1,that gives a basic view on how it goes on over the 
battery.
FYI  While you are in there, get one of those tin cooking pans,(get 
the one with a somewhat decent depth)that you can pick up at any 
Discount store(about a buck or two) and one of those thin spongy 
things,and set the battery into that, THEN strap down the 
battery,this is to prevent the dreaded carpet/acid 
burning/staining,that can happen if the battery overcharges,the 
spongy thing is to absorbe any fluid leaks from the battery.

Hope this helps

Claude
000570    
> > 
> > 
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:02:08 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Front Suspension Mod's

Hello List - 

I wanted to get a quick gauge of interest in a bolt-on modification 
that would triangulate the attachment of the front suspension lower 
control arms.  I know that some people have talked about a complete 
replacement of the lower control arm with some other configuration, 
and I think that there is merit to some of the ideas.  However, I 
think that other people want to preserve the basic design, and simply 
add stabilization capability to it.  For those of you who don't know, 
the arm is located fore/aft and held in place by the front sway bar 
attachment.  This design allows some movement of the suspension under 
load, which can degrade handling.  I have designed a simple bolt-on 
arrangement that I believe will add a great deal of stability to the 
existing arrangement, and I am working with a manufacturer to get an 
initial set of parts to install on my car for testing.  If the design 
works out as I expect, and the cost can be kept to a minimum (I don't 
know what the figures would be yet) does anybody have an interest in 
this?  The engineering people at the company would like to find out 
what the potential market could be, for pricing and availability 
purposes.  I know that the information is very sketchy right now.  My 
goal is to install the parts, and take some photo's to post on the 
list.  As always - feedback is appreciated.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1 




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:51:01 -0000
From: "comet4055" <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Battery hold-down strap/DW

You would have to contact David Knudson on the matter of uploading 
such things, As it is copyrighted material, However I am quite 
positive that it is not okay. however you may purchase any of the 
past issues. A technical index (which has a listing or which issue 
contains which article, this is availible free to anyone with 
interent access at http://www.delorean-owners.org/dw/tech_index.html) 
is also available. Past issues can be purchased from the DeLorean 
Store begining on January 15th 2002. You can also phone in your 
orders, and the number is on the store's site, 
(www.deloreanstore.com).

Hope this is helpful
Trevor Johnson
DOA Director of Publicity
Vin # 4055




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:17:07 EST
From: DesignDayPlanner_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Copyright Ownership

When DeLorean Motor Company was operating I am assuming that they owned the 
rights to use the likeness/logos/etc of everything DeLorean related.  Does 
anyone know who owns those rights today?    Thanks.

Rich


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:15:05 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: WHO was THE first Customer??

WHO was THE first Customer??

Does anybody actually know who was the actual "First" Customer to 
actually BUY a NEW Delorean,NOT counting Actors or Famous people,or 
anybody associated with DMC,or who worked for DMC,We know the FIRST 
car to be sold to the general public was VIN#000649 (I might be wrong 
on that)But who was THE first John Q. Public that drove off the 
showroom floor with that "first" sold Delorean.And does anybody know 
what day/date that first transaction accrued.And is that person on 
the mailing list. Or was there no such record filed.

Claude
000570 




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:38:38 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: caution and warning labels

[yet another note from the moderator: Coleman Lantern Fuel: Highly refined white gas which doesn't hurt vinyl, plastic, paint, whatever. This stuff disolves glue, sealer, and many other things. Just remember it is highly flamable as are most other fluids that do the above things.]


In a message dated 1/2/02 3:25:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net writes:

<< I have found that a product call GOO GONE works fantastic at getting old
 stickers off  >>

Kenneth and group, If you want to save some money and not pay for the name. 
Goo Gone and products like that are Naptha or cigarett lighter fluid. We use 
it by the gallon to remove stickers on the back of a book. Just wet it down 
wait a few seconds and peel it off.
John Hervey

http://www.specialtauto.com/



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:53:03 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: RE: Front Suspension Mod's

[ Please email Toby directly rather than using the list for this particular item: Moderator]

Toby,
I would be interested in an upgrade to the new "Toby's Super Suspension" (TSS for short) sign me up.  Forgive me I can't help myself.

Jim
vin 4149



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:45:24 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Battery hold-down strap

Hi Joe,
     I will contact you as soon as I can either find the drawing that 
I did once or I will redraw the webbing sequence for the hold down 
strap. It is rather confusing and took me a while to figure it out.
Gary Masie
> 
> Can anyone please tell me how to thread the battery hold-down strap 
through the buckle. I could not find anything in the archives on it.
> 
> 
> Joe
> VIN 6467 
> 
> 





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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:56:48 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Copyright Ownership

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DesignDayPlanner_at_dml_a... wrote:
> When DeLorean Motor Company was operating I am assuming that they 
owned the 
> rights to use the likeness/logos/etc of everything DeLorean 
related.  Does 
> anyone know who owns those rights today?    Thanks.
> 
> Rich
> 
>
I know as fact that when DMC went belly-up Consolidated International
of Columbus Ohio,took over,as they had the option of keeping the 
plant running,in fact they finished all the cars that were on the 
assembly line and got ALL remaining Deloreans including all parts,and 
Rights to THE Delorean and it's namesake,so as far as I can tell 
Consolidated International STILL has all rights to the 
Delorean,Logos,likeness ect,as John Z. Delorean,lost all rights to 
THE ORIGNAL logos,in the Bankruptcy,there might still be the British 
Government,that might still have legal Rights to the Delorean 
logos/likeness(but the chances are they will never pursue any rights)
I DO NOT think that ANY rights were transferred to DMC of Texas
(James??)They bought out the contents of the warehouse of Delorean 
Stuff(crates),Much in the same fashion as someone bought out the 
remaining Bricklin parts that Consolidated acquired,WHEN they had THE 
option of keeping the Bricklin factory going.FYI,They also finished 
off the remaining Bricklins on that assembly line,(they also acquired 
all or most of the remaining Bricklins)and they might also have the 
legal rights to the Bricklin Logo/trademark (Consolidated).Best Bet 
is to call up Consolidated and find out.

Hope this helps
Claude
000570


 
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:04:26 +0100
From: "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>
Subject: Re: Front Suspension Mod's

Toby!

I think I know what you intend to do:
1.) put in a longer bolt at the frame mounting of the lower control arm
2.) the bolt goes through two additional sleeves: on in front of the shock
tower and one behind.
3.) a rigid connection from the sleeves to the lower shock mounting bolt.

This surely gives much more stability, but it also increases the stress on
the frame at that shock tower area.
I am a little unsure if the frame can safely handle the increased stress
involved at that point. Don't you think there was a reason why they used
only on single pivot point in conjunction with the sway bar?

You see, I am a little sceptical, but I am anxious to see the result. Plese
post photos as soon as they are available!

ciao,

Ralf.
VIN10284

----- Original Message -----
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:02 AM
Subject: [DML] Front Suspension Mod's


> Hello List -
>
> I wanted to get a quick gauge of interest in a bolt-on modification
> that would triangulate the attachment of the front suspension lower
> control arms.  I know that some people have talked about a complete
> replacement of the lower control arm with some other configuration,
> and I think that there is merit to some of the ideas.  However, I
> think that other people want to preserve the basic design, and simply
> add stabilization capability to it.  For those of you who don't know,
> the arm is located fore/aft and held in place by the front sway bar
> attachment.  This design allows some movement of the suspension under
> load, which can degrade handling.  I have designed a simple bolt-on
> arrangement that I believe will add a great deal of stability to the
> existing arrangement, and I am working with a manufacturer to get an
> initial set of parts to install on my car for testing.  If the design
> works out as I expect, and the cost can be kept to a minimum (I don't
> know what the figures would be yet) does anybody have an interest in
> this?  The engineering people at the company would like to find out
> what the potential market could be, for pricing and availability
> purposes.  I know that the information is very sketchy right now.  My
> goal is to install the parts, and take some photo's to post on the
> list.  As always - feedback is appreciated.
>
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:58:55 -0800
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car

The hardest part one will have in obtaining will be the Mr. Fusion, a.k.a. a 
Krups Coffee Grinder.  The grinder alone goes for a few hundred dollars on 
eBay.

Hopefully with time and patience, BTTF.com may have a section containing 
blueprints and diagrams of the BTTF DMC-12.

Randy
Vin #16353

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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:43:17 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Web Site

Hi all

Whether you've been waiting or not, I have finally got my head around Publishing a website and started the process of uploading a site containing the work I have done on Vin 6463 to restore her. Main job being body off frame repair.

You can see it at

http://www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk/

Comment would be appreciated, there's a link to my mail in the site.

Cheers, and watch for updates

Paul
#6463 


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