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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 856
Date: Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:45 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Any Old Guys?
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

2. RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

3. RE: Re: Copyright Ownership
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

4. Dealing with shops
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

5. web site
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

6. Krups Unit
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

7. Re: Drive axles
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

8. Re: Rear anti-sway bars
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

9. Re: Dealing with shops
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. Re: Dealing with shops
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. Re: Dealing with shops
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>

12. Re: Front Suspension Mod's
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

13. DeLorean Chat
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

14. Fuel Glitch - Solved
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

15. Re: Dealing with shops
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>

16. Re: web site
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

17. Re: Re: Rear anti-sway bars
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:39:01 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Any Old Guys?

Not the start of a thread, just want to know if there are any old guys
out there besides me and Murray (78 and 80).  It's very easy to be
young, it's not all that easy to be old.

Contact me off list (maybe we can plot to take over).

Les




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:42:58 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car

List,

I have bought a proper "Mr Fusion"  from Paul in the UK , He may still have
a spare one, try him on paul_at_dml_feagan.com

It really is the business!  A proper Krupps coffee grinder all be badged
with the proper "Mr. Fusion decals". Mine sits beside me as I write!
Awaiting fitting to my "Time Machine"!

Chris Parnham   DOC UK



-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Atamaniuk [mailto:martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2002 07:59
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Conversion parts for BTTF car

The hardest part one will have in obtaining will be the Mr. Fusion, a.k.a. a
Krups Coffee Grinder.  The grinder alone goes for a few hundred dollars on
eBay.

Hopefully with time and patience, BTTF.com may have a section containing
blueprints and diagrams of the BTTF DMC-12.

Randy
Vin #16353

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:46:58 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Copyright Ownership

If the British Government still has any influence over the name etc. I would
be very surprised.  I wouldn't worry too much about their copyright...if it
exists.

Chris P DOC UK


-----Original Message-----
From: fivetwofive [mailto:CBL302_at_dml_msn.com]
Sent: 05 January 2002 04:57
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Copyright Ownership

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DesignDayPlanner_at_dml_a... wrote:
> When DeLorean Motor Company was operating I am assuming that they
owned the
> rights to use the likeness/logos/etc of everything DeLorean
related.  Does
> anyone know who owns those rights today?    Thanks.
>
> Rich
>
>
I know as fact that when DMC went belly-up Consolidated International
of Columbus Ohio,took over,as they had the option of keeping the
plant running,in fact they finished all the cars that were on the
assembly line and got ALL remaining Deloreans including all parts,and
Rights to THE Delorean and it's namesake,so as far as I can tell
Consolidated International STILL has all rights to the
Delorean,Logos,likeness ect,as John Z. Delorean,lost all rights to
THE ORIGNAL logos,in the Bankruptcy,there might still be the British
Government,that might still have legal Rights to the Delorean
logos/likeness(but the chances are they will never pursue any rights)
I DO NOT think that ANY rights were transferred to DMC of Texas
(James??)They bought out the contents of the warehouse of Delorean
Stuff(crates),Much in the same fashion as someone bought out the
remaining Bricklin parts that Consolidated acquired,WHEN they had THE
option of keeping the Bricklin factory going.FYI,They also finished
off the remaining Bricklins on that assembly line,(they also acquired
all or most of the remaining Bricklins)and they might also have the
legal rights to the Bricklin Logo/trademark (Consolidated).Best Bet
is to call up Consolidated and find out.

Hope this helps
Claude
000570



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:05:06 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Dealing with shops

Does anyone here who takes/trusts their DeLorean to a non-vendor shop ever feel like they work intentionally *slow* on your car so they can have fun working on it and showing it off to their other customers?  I feel like I have that problem with my mechanic.  Just one example would be having it take 2 days for an oil change.  Granted, they are a big and busy import car shop, but it just seems a little fishy to me at times.  I have seen some of their other customers oogle my DeLorean when droping off/picking up their own cars and I'm sure the owners love that; makes them think that the customers believe they are really a special shop. 

Anyway I guess it's harmless so long as nothing happens to my car, but has anyone else had to deal with these kind of annoying delays when you want to have your D fixed as quickly as possible so you can drive it?  I'm even considering going to a non-specialty/import shop next time and asking if they will work on it cause it's kind of getting annoying.  Anyway, just wanted to see if there are other experiences out there.

Take care,

Richard   



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:14:37 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: web site

Here is my new web site if you are interested

http://hometown.aol.com/jpsmrvideo/myhomepage/index.html

mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

Jim Sawyer
vin 4149
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:49:38 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Krups Unit

I had the luck to win an ebay auction recently for the KRUP's coffee
grinder that was not listed as a BTTF or a DeLorean item.  It was listed
simply as a KRUP's grinder.  I got it yesterday in the mail and it is
AWESOME!   I have a replica Mr. Fusion unit that I made for my car with
the entire jet assembly    http://www.geocities.com/outatime81   but
this actual unit is the highlight of my DMC/BTTF collection.

This new purchase will make it look very authentic.  I just need to
figure out how to mount it without damaging it.  I'll post some pictures
of it in the vault soon!

Tom Watkins
#005732



   From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Conversion parts for BTTF car

The hardest part one will have in obtaining will be the Mr. Fusion,
a.k.a. a
Krups Coffee Grinder.  The grinder alone goes for a few hundred dollars
on
eBay.

Hopefully with time and patience, BTTF.com may have a section containing

blueprints and diagrams of the BTTF DMC-12.

Randy
Vin #16353






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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 17:28:13 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Drive axles



dmcman82

the VW axles are smaller than the Deloreans.  They are also the wrong length.  THe axles
from a Porsche are the right CVs but the length is different. You could use the Porsche
CVs. with the old Delorean axles.

Bob




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 17:33:18 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Rear anti-sway bars



ian



I installed an addco rear sway bar on the 97 Delorean. I mounted the urethane bushing
under the rear frame cross sections.  The two end mounted to the trailing arms.

You have to drill holes in the trailing arms as part of the mounting. THis is not real
clear from the instructions.

BoB




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 01:32:38 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with shops

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> Does anyone here who takes/trusts their DeLorean to a non-vendor 
shop ever feel like they work intentionally *slow* on your car so 
they can have fun working on it and showing it off to their other 
customers
<SNIP>
> Take care,
> 
> Richard

Quite the opposite here. The mechanic who works on my car is DeLorean 
certified, but he also does general auto repair. On all cars I've 
ever brought to him for whatever kind of work, he asks that you bring 
them in the morning of the work, and pick them up when complete. That 
and that all parts are ready to go. The garage is never empty, but he 
doesn't like cars to stay around. To be honest, 2 days for an oil 
change is beyond absurd. I've had a complete clutch & hydrolic system 
rebuild done on the D, along with suspension work on another car. And 
both of these were done within hours, NOT days! Don't be afraid to 
ask what the hold up is. It is your car, you're in control.

With all the discussion recently on the list here reguarding waste 
oil & other fluid disposal, perhaps you may want to do your own oil 
changes from now on. It's not that difficult, cetainly not that messy 
with the proper pan, and a great way to learn about your car. Oil 
changes are the gateway to DIY auto repair :)

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:33:29 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Dealing with shops

It is not really like restaurants where they seat the celebrities and 
the "beautiful people" in the front and the best seats. It is more 
likely that they just don't have the parts on hand for the Delorean 
(like an oil filter) and they had to have their distributer or parts 
store get it for them. The other reason it might take longer than it 
should is that they just don't know what they are doing and are trying 
to get some info from someone to figure out what to do. This is 
particularly the case when it comes to the fuel system especially if 
they are not familiar with the Bosch K-Jetronic. This is another good 
reason you should have a service manual and let the shop know who your 
favorite supplier is. It will give the shop more confidence that they 
can get what they need and without saying it to them they can ask for 
help too if they can't figure it out with the manual. In dealing with 
repair shops (if you can't or won't work on your car) it is best to 
let them get to know you and your car by starting out on the simple 
things like oil changes and such. By having them do this kind of stuff 
you can decide if they are a good choice for more complicated work. If 
it takes a week and they tell you don't bring the car back at least it 
didn't cost too much. On the other hand many shops like a challange 
once in a while and may enjoy working on it.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> Does anyone here who takes/trusts their DeLorean to a non-vendor 
shop ever feel like they work intentionally *slow* on your car so they 
can have fun working on it and showing it off to their other 
customers?  I feel like I have that problem with my mechanic.  Just 
one example would be having it take 2 days for an oil change.  
Granted, they are a big and busy import car shop, but it just seems a 
little fishy to me at times.  I have seen some of their other 
customers oogle my DeLorean when droping off/picking up their own cars 





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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:29:34 +0000
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with shops

Richard;

I've never had delays in having my car repaired by my shop here in town, but 
one funny thing happened to me while I had it there.  I went to pay the bill 
on it and they handed me the receipt with a business card attached to it.  
"what's this" I asked them, and they replied "This man has a Ferrari here in 
the shop, he saw your car and was interested in buying it. So he left his 
card for you"  If that's not flattery...

Scott

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:48:41 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Front Suspension Mod's

Ralf - You've got a pretty clear picture of the idea.  I intend to 
leave the sway bar connection in place, but I will be paying close 
attention to any induced loads into the frame or the lower control 
arm itself.  The "rigid connections" will be links that are 
adjustable for length, and feature spherical rod ends with a special 
low-friction liner similar to teflon, but able to withstand a much 
higher bearing stress than teflon.  The company that makes this 
proprietary liner material has, in addition to many products in the 
aerospace industry, been involved in high-performance parts for car 
and boat racing.  If the specific geometry of the front suspension of 
our beloved "D's" will allow the addition of these links without 
extremely high induced loads, I think that the handling performance 
gains will be noticeable.  BTW - One of my desires in posting the way 
that I do is to try to get people to think, and to consider different 
ideas.  I appreciate the fact that you are somewhat skeptical, and I 
welcome it.  If all 1200 or so people that belong to the DML would 
think about even one little enhancement to the car, the results would 
be astounding.  Keep up the good work!

Toby Peterson   VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Toby!
> 
> I think I know what you intend to do:





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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 05:47:45 -0000
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: DeLorean Chat

I know this topic has come up from time to time, but nothing big 
really ever surfaces from it.  However recently, quite a few of us 
have been chatting over AOL Instant Messenger chat rooms.  It is 
completely random, but can often grow quite large during the nights 
when a lot of people are online.

If you wish to become part of these chats, please contact one of the 
following people, and we will record your AOL or AIM screen name and 
invite you into the chat next time we both have one and see you 
online.

Me (Jim Reeve)
ultra(at)isd.net
Screen name - dmc6960

Matt Olans
mpolans(at)creeper.com
Screen name - mpolans

Aaron Posey
cadysrme(at)yahoo.com
Screen name - cadysrme

Either send one of us an IM if you see us online, or send us an email 
with your AOL or AIM screen name.  Just remember, we do this at random 
times (usually during the evening) so it could be a while untill we do 
it and you are online to join in.

Depending on the interest level, I may also put up a small webpage 
with basic info on all the common chatters so none of us will 
continuously need to introduce ourselves for newcomers.

I hope to chat with some of you in the near future!

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC6960




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:14:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Fuel Glitch - Solved

I figured that with all of the problem mails that go out, a solution email
might be a breath of fresh air.

I only just today got around to attempting to fix my fuel glitch. With
my car being a daily driver, I didn't want to go digging in the gas tank
and end up creating new problems.

The problem again was that at a quarter of a tank, the car would lurch,
like there was a problem with the fuel supply. After responses from the
list to check that the fuel baffle is secured to the bottom of the tank,
and that the fuel pickup hose isn't punctured,

It turned out that the pickup hose was cut almost all the way around,
right where the hose clamp holds it onto the bottom of the fuel pump. It
was hanging by a small piece of the hose (maybe 1/32nd of the edge of it).
It was just a matter of fully ripping it off and re-securing it to the
fuel pump. As a first-timer going into the tank, it only took about 30-45
minutes to get it all taken care of. I even used enough gas tonight to see
the fuel level light come on.

If anyone else if having this problem, take a bit of time and dig in. It's
really quite simple.

-Christian

PS. Funny quote of the past week: A little girl in a parking lot watched
my door open and asked her mom "What's that?" Not, "What kind of car is
that?", but just "What's that?". :)




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:25:20 -0600
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with shops

> intentionally *slow* on your car so they can have
> fun working on it and showing it off to their
> other customers?

If you're lucky!  I once needed my brake lines bled and a coolant flush, and
I took my D to the only place nearby that would touch it.  After a few days,
I was told to come pick up my car.  When I saw it in the lot, I almost
wondered if someone else had left their DeLorean, too...surely this wasn't
my car.  The first things I noticed were the greasy handprints all over the
stainless (and I do mean *ALL* over it), the coolant that had been spilled
on the car and not cleaned up, and a warp in the top of the rear fascia from
being leaned on.  When I popped the door, I saw mud all over the place
(there was enough in the grooves of the brake pedal that it filled them in
flush).  There was even mud on the dash!  I turned the key and the radio was
blaring a station I never listen to.

When I went back into the shop to confront the owner, he told me that he had
been recently divorced, and that my DeLorean was "a great car for a divorced
guy to drive around in.  Sure gets lots of attention."  He told me that he
"took it out on the highway to see what it could do, then drove it around
town for a couple of nights to turn heads."  In *MY* car!  Talk about
feeling violated.

I'm much more selective now when it comes to who is allowed to touch my
DeLorean!

___________________
Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681 (Nov 81)




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:21:50 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: web site

Great looking paint work! Nice looking car. I'd suggest you lower the front 
end though. You may be used to looking at it with its nose in the air, but 
since I've gotten used to seeing a DeLorean with its front end where it was 
intended to be by the designer, to me unlowered cars just look silly.

Jim 6147




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:56:29 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Rear anti-sway bars

Toby, BobB,et al,

Thanks very much for the excellent responses on my rear anti-sway bar
question. I have emailed it to my cousin who is undertaking the
refurbishment for me in California. If it was easy to get some photos, I'd
appreciate seeing them.

I also emailed Addco at the same time but haven't received a response from
them ... when they do I will copy it to the List for information. Thanks
again (apologies for delay in response, I just got back from work in
Bangkok!)

Regards,           IAN
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From: tmpintnl <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:46 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Rear anti-sway bars


> Ian - I installed a rear sway bar on my car years ago.  The
> instructions have (hopefully) been updated, because they didn't make
> any sense when I looked at them.  In the final analysis, we drilled
> holes into the lower web of the rear carriage frame, and installed
> the "saddle bushings" there.  The bar attaches through the saddle
> bushings, and arches forward above the drive axles.  The original kit
> had two angle brackets that were supposed to be attached to the
> trailing arm at the thickened area near the top of the arm, and just
> forward of the hub carrier.  The bushed links are then supposed to go
> from the angles down to the spade ends on the bar.  The angular
> relationships between the bar ends and the angle brackets were not
> good on my installation (I have an early prototype bar), and the
> little link bushings were loaded at too much of an angle.  I
> ultimately changed the end attachments to spherical rod ends with
> teflon linings.  I will try to locate a digital camera and take some
> pictures of my installation.  I found out that the lower web of the
> rear carriage is not quite strong enough out in the middle area. I
> have developed a crack in the frame web due to high cyclic loads, and
> one incident when I bottomed out in an intersection, and hit the
> saddle bushing housings on the pavement (ouch!).  You may want to
> install the saddle bushings closer to either the forward or aft edges
> to get more stiffness.  No suspension parts required removal.  Does
> any of this make sense to you?  Let me know - you can email me
> privately if you wish.
>
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "ian" <ian_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> > Hi DMLers,
> >
> > After seeing Walter's 'heads-up' on the anti-sway bars I got one
> from Addco for my rhd car refurbishment project. It has arrived at my
> mechanics place in CA. He says it looks good but he can't tell from
> the poor instructions how it is mounted! Has anyone on the list
> experience in fitting one. Can you offer some pointers as to how to
> proceed? Does he have to remove the rear carrier assembly?
> >
> > Thanks,           IAN
>
>
>
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