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Date: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:23 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Fuel pressure at the injectors?
From: "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

2. Re: A thank you to the fine Senator
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

3. Back to the Future back in the theaters?
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

4. New Jersey Meadowlands Car Show + Dinner
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Black interior, 1981, owned 15 years.
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>

6. Re: Leather Treatment & stainless steel polish
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

7. Poster poll created
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

8. Possibility of new poster?
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

9. SUPER WHITE HEADLIGHTS
From: "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>

10. intake manifold restoration
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Fuel pressure at the injectors?
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

12. Re: Leather Treatment
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

13. Re: Fuel pressure at the injectors?
From: "dherv10" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

14. Re: Releasing Luggage Compartment Lid
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>

15. RE: A thank you to the fine Senator
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:07:12 -0000
From: "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pressure at the injectors?

Hi Walt,

Well "minimal" plate deflection is just that - a slight deflection of 
the pressure plate (hoping to mimic a light throttle increase).  What 
happens is a few injectors vibrate and spray, a few do not, one 
dribbles. Pressing the plate further, they all spray just fine.

The Fuel Distributor is in nearly immaculate shape. The Piston is 
clean, smoothly machined and tighly but accurately glides up and down 
through it's motion. 

Again, what the car does:it idles fairly smooth, heavy accelleration 
is quick and smooth, decelleration is steady and smooth. But light, 
part-throttle acceleration and cruising is choppy - the engine bucks, 
and studders. Exhaust smells extremely rich, and backfires once in a 
while on light throttle or cruising. (Never under heavy acceleration.)

I'll probably use your soaking advice as a last resort, because it 
appears so clean and the fact that when I do depress the pressure 
plate moderately to heavily - I get 6, nice, equal sprays - of equal 
volume. (This leads me to believe the system is not clogged).  As for 
shimms, it didn't have them ever. However, you may be right on the O-
ring. It may be out of shape and need to be replaced.

John Hervey's suggestion of swapping around the injectors (one's that 
work in positions that didn't work) is so logical - I missed that 
very obvious course!  (DUoah!) I'll do that this evening and see what 
it yeilds. That will at least be a sure-fire check of bad injectors.

Thanks all.

Eric
Dunedin, FL
VIN# 5557
ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> > I cannot figure out why, with minimal air-plate
> > deflection, not all of the injectors fire...but deflecting the 
plate
> > further they all fire equally.
> >
> > Bad Injectors?  Faulty Fuel Dist.?
> 
> Eric,
> Since no one else has suggesting anything yet, I'll try to take a 
stab at
> it.  With no deflection of the air sensor plate, there should be no 
fuel
> flowing from the injectors.  So when you say minimal then 
define "minimal"
> and also explain what kind of symptoms you are having with the way 
the
> engine is running.  I have heard that shims are used under the 
plunger of
> the fuel distributor for adjustment.  If you had shims in there 
before &
> left them out, then perhaps there is now some slack between the air 
sensor
> plate and the response of the fuel distributor.  Since you had the
> distributor off, maybe moving the gasket (or is it an O-ring?) 
underneath
> changed the height of the distributor which could have a similar 
effect.
> 
> Another possibility is that you could have gunk in the 
distributor.  Maybe
> you should remove the plunger and soak the whole thing in Berrymans 
B12.
> I've never tried anything like this, so maybe someone else can give 
some
> better advice.  I do know that fuel distributors are made with a 
high degree
> of precision.  If the plunger doesn't fit exactly right and slide 
freely
> then you will have problems.  If when playing with the distributor 
you
> managed to drop or scratch the plunger then you really have a 
problem.
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:48:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: A thank you to the fine Senator


> He smelled the gas tank and told me I may have a
> problem. He was right. After remeoving spare tire and the fuel pump cover we
> discovered why i smelled fuel all the time. There was 2 inches of gas on my
> fuel pump which was now listing like the Titantic, submerged and a major
> hazard.
>
> "I would not drive this car another foot" he calmly said.....


Hrmm, I thought that looked a little strange when I pulled my fuel pump
out for the first time this past weekend. Yes, I had an inch or two of gas
on top of my fuel pump, right where the 2 wires connect to it. I imagine
it's a leak where the hoses connect inside the fuel pump boot. What should
be used to seal these 2 connections better?

How dangerous is this? I've been driving the car like this daily for quite
a while.

-Christian




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:00:51 -0500
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Back to the Future back in the theaters?

Follow the link:

http://www.cinecon.com/news.php3?d=020109&n=2



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:30:55 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: New Jersey Meadowlands Car Show + Dinner

Just a reminder about the BTTF Delorean. It will be at the Exposition 
Center Jan 19-27. There will be a dinner with Bob + Gail Brandys 
Saturday Jan 26. I am still in the process of setting up the time for 
the dinner but for more info on the show go to

              http://www.autoexpo.com/nj.htm 

As of today I have about 14 people who have said they are comming to 
the dinner. I figure most would want to catch the show and then have 
dinner nearby. Go to the website above for directions and a $2 coupon! 
Please E-mail me offlist to let me know if you are comming so I can 
have enough seating at the restaurant for everyone. It will be at a 
Charlie Brown's. It is a steak and seafood place with a large salad 
bar. It is a local chain with good food. I am trying to arrange for ur 
own room. This is not being sponsored by any group so anyone can come. 
Because of the weather I don't expect anyone to bring their Delorean 
except Bob!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:19:08 -0600
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>
Subject: Black interior, 1981, owned 15 years.

DMCJohn:

Being on the east side of the country myself, I can relate to the
problem of buying a west coast DMC-12. (read: I haven't bought one yet.)
There was one I was considering in Stockton, California, which I saw an
advert for online. Here's the URL. He doesn't say whether it's stick or
auto, but my guess is stick unless otherwise mentioned. Also since this
man has owned it for 15 years, I would expect the repair history will be
easy to get. ;)

http://www.cars-on-line.com/81delorean6786.html

I saw this ad at least a month ago so I would check to see if it is
still available. If it is, in my humble opinion, you'll be getting a
hell of a deal. I would have bought it if I could have raised the money
and I live in New Orleans!

And I would have no qualms about buying a car in California. I'm sure
you could find a fellow DeLorean enthusiast in the area who could help
you inspect the car, etc. (unless you've already owned one and know what
to look for).

Good luck, happy hunting, etc.

Regards,
Farrar Hudkins
--
www.wwno.org
504-280-7000




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:48:41 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Leather Treatment & stainless steel polish

Hi all,

I don't know if you can get Autoglym products in the States but they 
do a leather cleaner and a care cream. I use the cream and cleaner 
on my seats every few months and they have make them feel much more 
supple and they smell like new.

Autoglym also do a fantastic car shampoo which leaves the stainless 
body and the wheels looking amazing.

Oh and did I forget to mention the bumper care cream, which, yes you 
guessed it, is also from Aytoglym.

In case you haden't realised I love autoglym stuff.

James RG 
Woodford

P.S. I still haven't found a really good stainless polish, I have 
been told by a few people that Mr Sheen was good but I have used it 
several times and it fails to give a very good shine.

What does everyone else use?

 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Well … my seats are in need of some serious TLC!
>  
> They look nice appearance wise .. but are hard and brittle to the 
touch
> .. stiff…. Has anyone got any miracle products? Or would 
refinishing the
> seats still be the best thing to do?
> 




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:25:10 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Poster poll created

Hey List,

     I just created the poll for this poster.  If I could ask 5 minutes of 
everyones time to just take a look at the pictures and then answer the poll 
for me.  I really need to have a rough idea if there is a demand for this 
poster before I go through the upfront expense of making these posters up.  
Another note I would like to add, the pictures don't really do the drawing 
justice, it is a lot better in person than on the pictures.  Thanks and 
please vote!

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:00:03 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Possibility of new poster?

Hey List,

    For christmas, my cousin drew a gorgeous picture of a De Lorean for me.  
I have been told that I should make it into a poster so other De Lorean 
owners and enthusiasts might like to have a copy of this drawing hanging on 
their wall as well.  I just uploaded 2 pictures of the drawing onto the 
Yahoo! groups section of the web page.  It is located in the pictures section 
under the folder "Drawing".  Before I go through the expense of making this 
into a poster, I really need to see if anyone is really interested in having 
this as a poster to hang on their wall.  I am going to set up a poll to see 
if there is a demand for this.  After I set up the poll, I will let the list 
know.  In the mean time check out the drawing and let me know what you think 
of it!

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:45:15 -0500
From: "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>
Subject: SUPER WHITE HEADLIGHTS



 What are thoughts / feeling on this eBay auction … 
  
  Would it make a difference in heat… you know .. to help prevent 
The eyebrow effect on the front fascia?
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=600073615  


it seems like it converts the sealed lens to the type that you can
interchange the bulb in!
  
  
  
 thanks
 Kenneth
 005548
  
  





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:50:02 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: intake manifold restoration

Hey all,

i've had my engine taken somewhat apart all winter now because i'm putting in 
a new water pump and working on my fuel injection.  anyway, i had my dirty 
old manifold at a local engine shop for restoration.  they soaked it in a 
chemical bath, baked it, glass-beaded it, then painted it.   i have uploaded 
pictures of it to the yahoogroups photo album under the folder 'intake 
manifold'.  let me know what you think of it!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:06:37 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Fuel pressure at the injectors?

The fuel pressure to the injectors should be consistent across all 6 
injectors at all times. If equal pressure increases across all injectors 
simultaneously, and some injectors open before others, then there is a 
problem with one or more of the injectors. All injectors should open at the 
same pressure and at the same time.  If the pressure at the injectors is not 
the same across all 6 injectors, then there is most likely a problem with the 
fuel distributor. Each injector at the distributor has its own orifice and 
matching shim. Shims are not interchangeable. If someone shuffled the shims 
during a rebuild, then the only way to fix it is to rebuild repleatedly 
trying all possible shim location combinations until the distributor flows 
properly. You can talk to SuperTec in Costa Mesa Ca. They rebuild these and 
know quite a bit about how they work. 714-429-1863
Jim 6147



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:41:43 -0800
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Leather Treatment

Kenneth,

Go to Leatherique.com.  This is the site that you were looking at on the 
list.  They had a Christmas special on the leather conditioner and 
cleaner.  I'm waiting for warm weather so I can get the "Steam Effect" 
when I use mine.  It's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread.

http://www.leatherique.com

Bill Lane
#3635







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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:00:54 -0000
From: "dherv10" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pressure at the injectors?

Eric, Inside the fuel distributor is a barrell that the control 
plunger goes up and down in. The metering slits are .2mm opening. 
When the plunger goes up and if there is any obstruction at the slit 
area, then gas won't flow through correctly. Thats why I said, Put 
some B12 in the gas and go drive it out and then come back and check 
it again. Go back to the injectors that that weren't blowing right at 
the beginning and see if it's changed. If not and the pressure is 
correct and the injector swaping didn't show a bad injector. Then I 
can rebuild the Fuel dist.Be carefull soaking in B12. It's good for 
cleaning, but if you soak to long the o rings could swell. There 
could also be a small break in the SS diaphram that seperates the 
lower chamber from the upper chamber. 
John hervey
  http://www.specialtauto.com/images/fuelsystem.jpg
John hervey
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> Just when I was getting comfortable with my understanding of the CFI
> system on my D, I've confused myself.
> 
> Could somebody please set me straight with what "portion" of the 
Fuel 
> injection system actually limits (or controls) the fuel pressure 
> specifically at the injectors?
> 
> I realize the injectors are mechanical, and open at about 3-3.5 BAR.
> I also understand the fuel distributor sends the fuel to the 
> injectors, and that there is a System Pressure regulator inside the 
> distributor.
> 
> I dug out my trusty gauge, measured the system pressure, control 
> pressure (CPR)...etc. Compared them to the shop manual (all being 
> within specs).  But I cannot figure out why, with minimal air-plate 
> deflection, not all of the injectors fire...but deflecting the 
plate 
> further they all fire equally. 
> 
> Bad Injectors?  Faulty Fuel Dist.?
> 
> BTW: all tests were done with the RPM relay bypassed, obviously all 
> injectors removed.
> 
> Thanks
> Eric
> Dunedin, FL
> VIN# 5557
> ericp_at_dml_t...




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:57:59 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Releasing Luggage Compartment Lid

Before you do anything, check the hood release cable at the lever 
where the nut holds it tight. When my cable broke, it really didn't 
break, the nut came loose on the lever and the cable was just sliding 
in the hole in the bolt. Maybe you will be a lucky one and have the 
same problem. To fix, make sure the lever is in the rest position, 
pull on the end of the cable to take up the slack and tighten the 
nut. I hope this will do the trick for you.
Gary Masie

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., J <sundiver_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> On Thursday 03 January 2002 11:21 pm, you wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Is there anyone that knows how to open the lid for luggage 
compartment, if
> > the cable comes disconnected while closed? I asked the DOA and 
they gave me
> > instructions to go in through the brake fluid reservoir, but I was
> > wondering if there is an easier way to pop the lid.
> >
> 





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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:48:45 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: A thank you to the fine Senator

Only very dangerous if a spark is available to ignite the gasoline, then
KABOOM

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Williams [mailto:delorean_at_dml_framezero.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:48 PM


Yes, I had an inch or two of gas
on top of my fuel pump, right where the 2 wires connect to it. I imagine
it's a leak where the hoses connect inside the fuel pump boot. What should
be used to seal these 2 connections better?

How dangerous is this? I've been driving the car like this daily for quite
a while.

-Christian




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