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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 866
Date: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:05 AM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: It happened one night. . .
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: BTTF VideoCamera
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

3. Re: Insurance...
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: Engine Removal
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Re: DeLorean Accountants AA
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_tdn.com>

6. Re: Re: BTTF VideoCamera
From: Horseman of PA <the_horseman_pa_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. It happened one night
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>

8. what were the best years 81, 82 or 83
From: "snextime" <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

9. UK owners please read
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: It happened one night. . .
From: "Michael Quinto" <mquinto_at_dml_mediaone.net>

11. Re: Insurance...
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: DeLorean Accountants AA
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. RE: UK owners please read
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

14. need photos of inside the door
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

15. Re: BTTF VideoCamera
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>

16. The Old Guys
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

17. On the prowl for a used radio
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

18. Re: Advice needed: Unfortunate occurrance
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:36:12 -0800
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: It happened one night. . .

Well, I got pulled over once for going too slow.  Yes, that's right, I said, 
too slow.   I had just turned the corner off of a main highway and onto a 
residential street; and my house just being appox. 3 blocks away.  The cop 
had been following for a little while on the highway, and proceeded to 
follow.  So, I had just turned the corner and he put his flashers on.

He got out of his car and walked up to the D.  I rolled down my little 
window, and he told me that I should just open the door instead.  Once my 
door was open, he was a little shocked... as my mother was sitting in the 
passenger seat.  I guess he wasn't able to see her when he was driving.  The 
funny thing was, my mom knew this cop, as he had visited my parents home 
when it got broken in too, many years ago.  Of course, the cop didn't 
remember her.  So, she spoke up and said, how you doing Joe, or whatever his 
name was.  This completely threw the guy off guard.  I asked him what I had 
done, and he responded that I was going to slow.  I said that I had just 
turned the corner and was now in a residential area, and had no choice but 
to slow down.  He agreed, and said that in the future, to keep in mind of 
the proper speed limits, or something like that.  With that, he walked off, 
but not without having a few more looks at the car.

So there it is, the story of the DeLorean going to slow, and being pulled 
over by a cop for it.  Beat that one folks!

Randy
Vin #16353

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:41:17 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: BTTF VideoCamera

No, but I almost got kicked off BTTF the Ride for trying to video 
tape it! :p

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Ok, not completely DMC related, but - 
> Does anyone know what kind of red JVC videocamera Marty was using 
in BTTF ? 
> A model nr. of the type plus additional info would be nice...please 
e-mail me privately!
> 
> Mr. Stian Birkeland
> Norway
> 
> VIN # 06759
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:09:55 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance...

Dear Adam,
     My experience with the insurance company that I had my D 
insurred with was a lot like yours. When the agent was asked what the 
value of the car was, the answer was they didn't know, but it was in 
the same class as the Corvette. They won't pay you what it would cost 
to replace your vehicle with a similiar one. They will look at it as 
a 20 year old car. You will have to prove to them what the current 
price for a car like yours (condition) would cost. You may want to 
get a written appraisal by someone who will be accepted as an expert 
and keep that just in case.
      If your D isn't your daily driver, you should look into 
an "Agreed Value Insurrance" with a carrier Like Haggerty. 
     I use to pay $1500 per year for full coverage with the same 
deductable, but this is NJ, just outside New York City.
     I hope that you never have to find out what your carrier values 
your car at.
Happy Motoring,
Gary masie

rice" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I am 21 years old with two speeding tickets under my belt and I am 
paying 
> $900.00 a year for full coverage on my Delorean. Is that good?
> 
> Also I took the largest deductable that the company offered ($1000 
dollar 
> deductable). However they havent given me an actual set amount, for 
how much 
> my car is ensured to... is this normal, or do they usually give you 
a dollar 
> amount? How is this value determined? If the car is destroyed, I 
want to 
> know how much I get! Eff.
> 
> Adam 16683
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:28:57 -0500
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Removal

Let me start by saying how much your thoughts are appreciated.  In fact I 
would like some more comments because they help me work through the process. 
  The main reason I am considering engine removal is to simplify access to 
the various bolts.  Letís face it, there have been numerous posts recently 
about bolts breaking.  Also working over the sides and rear of the car to 
get to these bolts will make it more complex.  I'm really not looking for 
extra work here (but really appreciate Dave Swingle's logic below) just want 
it right and realize my reach limitations.

Now the weird part.  I know I have several jobs to do on the engine.  While 
recently replacing my cooling system hoses, I noticed a couple of damaged 
areas on the frame.  If I can see this... what can't I see.  So now I am 
throwing separation of the frame and body on the pile too.  I have read it 
is a simple task (4 hours if you know what you are doing) and this would not 
only allow me to inspect the frame but to replace some other items (i.e. 
bellows on the steering) AND give me excellent access to the engine and 
transmission.

So now I have 2 new questions:
1) Does anyone know of an existing documented process (text and/or pictures) 
to separate the frame and body (sorry, I didn't see the process described in 
the manuals)?
2) If I do this, does the AC system stay intact or do I need to have it 
evacuated before I start?

A final note/opinion:
The main reason I asked for your insight is because frankly the manuals 
confuse me and (based on some feedback I have received directly) leave some 
helpful information out.  In addition, I feel they are not meant for an 
"untrained" (shade tree, intermediate, non-Delorean certified, etc... how 
ever you refer to a part time) mechanics since they tend to assume you know 
what some processes/item/terminology is or means.

As an example Page C:12:01 of the workshop manual - Water pump removal:
The first step is to "remove intake manifold".  Well my manual says there is 
an Inlet Air Manifold on page C:13:01 But I guess my vehicle did not come 
with a "intake manifold" because I haven't seen it mentioned yet (could have 
overlooked something though).

As another example page H:06:01 (Replace Rack and Pinion Assembly) states to 
remove "pinch bolt" in step four.  Can't find a pinch bolt in my parts 
manual though.

So I go to the people that love the car for my answers.  And I canít thank 
you enough.

Ed Garbade
edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com
VIN 10541



>From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Removal
>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:33:47 -0000
>
>It is not really necessary to remove the engine to perform the
>maintenance you mention. That being said....
>
>If you have the time and energy, do it. A couple of winters ago I
>underwent almost the same work. After I had put the trans back in, I
>took the exhaust off to fix the heat shield and realized that I was
>about 3 hose connections and two engine mount bolts from the same
>work as pulling the engine. I still regret not doing it.

Dave Swingle
>
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> > I was discussing this with a friend and he suggested that as my
>list seems
> > to be growing rapidly it may be worth considering the removal of
>the engine
> > and transmission.  This would make the removal, replacement,
>cleaning, and
> > painting the various components easier (engine bay needs work also).
> >
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:21:32 -0800
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_tdn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DeLorean Accountants AA

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
This is the last post on the Arthur Anderson situation.  
Let's get back to the cars...
*****

David Teitelbaum wrote:
<snip>... not only did all of the [Enron] employees lose
their livelyhood, their pensions were lost too!... <snip>

   This is not true. Their pensions are protected by a
federal law, the 'Employee Retirement Income Security Act'
of 1974, acronym ERISA. Every Enron employee WILL receive
their vested PENSION benefits. What many have lost is the
value of Enron stock held in their 401(K) plans. This is a
retirement savings program, totally separate from pension
benefits.
   The news media has trumpeted over & over that employees
have lost their pensions, and many uninformed folks have
sadly parroted those inaccuracies. Let me repeat - IT IS NOT
TRUE THAT ENRON EMPLOYEES HAVE LOST THEIR PENSIONS!

Mike Hirko
VIN 1387



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:58:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Horseman of PA <the_horseman_pa_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: BTTF VideoCamera

You know my friend from high school had one of them
but I cant remember what kind it is anymore. forgot
that he had it I'll have to ask.
--- therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com> wrote:
> No, but I almost got kicked off BTTF the Ride for
> trying to video 
> tape it! :p
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Stian Birkeland"
> <delorean_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> > Ok, not completely DMC related, but - 
> > Does anyone know what kind of red JVC videocamera
> Marty was using 
> in BTTF ? 
> > A model nr. of the type plus additional info would
> be nice...please 
> e-mail me privately!
> > 
> > Mr. Stian Birkeland
> > Norway
> > 
> > VIN # 06759
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:34:53 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: It happened one night

     I know an original owner that was pulled over for speeding in 
the 80's in New York. The officer got out and came over to the car. 
As he came over he looked at the car very carefully. Finally, he told 
the driver to go on his way "because the car looks like it's going 
fast standing still".
Happy Motoring,
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:38:29 -0000
From: "snextime" <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: what were the best years 81, 82 or 83

i was wondering what was the best year delorean produced the dmc-12
1981, 1982 or 1983? i heard the very first ones of the 
assembly line had door fitting problems and the most were made in
1981 and the least in 1983 but is there really a year or vin 
number sequence (example.. between vin # 3500 to 6000 for the 1981
years) that is better built or are they really all the same 
or was the worst or best built in 1983 because of the factory closing
and the workers were more skilled because they have 
assembled more cars by the factory closeing in1983?

thanks
mark






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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:34:17 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: UK owners please read

Hello,
Any of you UK owners, or enthusiest know who owns the delorean with 
the following license plate number

OGH 486Y

It should be either an 82 or an 83, going by the "delorean" badge on 
the hood.  Also, the car appears to be right hand drive with a black 
interior.  If anyone has any info on the car, please let me know.  
Thanks

Erik




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:48 -0800
From: "Michael Quinto" <mquinto_at_dml_mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: It happened one night. . .

Hey everyone,
Our city sometimes runs checkpoints on Saturday nights on certain streets.
They do this to look for drunk drivers and people driving without licences.
There's no less than fifty cops running these checkpoints.
I had to drive through one once in my DeLorean.
I come to a stop, I open my door, the officer asks for my licence. I showed
it to him, he looks at it and starts glancing around the interior of the
car. Then he asks, is it noisy inside? I told him no. He hands me back my
driver licence and says have a nice day. As I'm driving away and closing my
door at the same time, one of the police officers screams out, Hey Marty!

Regards,
Mike
vin#1113





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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:32:36 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance...

If you have "ordinary" car insurance and you use your "D" as a daily 
driver and it gets damaged the insurance company looks up the value in 
the "blue book" or something comparable. For a 20 year old car it 
could be as low as $1000. Factor in the deductable and they give you 
$500 and THEY GET TO KEEP THE CAR. You must arrange IN ADVANCE with 
your carrier as to the value of the car. A small hit on one panel can 
total it out. Even worse it could be stolen and you wind up with $500 
dollars. This is just another reason why it is difficult to use a "D" 
as a daily driver. To use collecter's insurance generally it can't be 
used as a daily driver. The time to find out is WAY BEFORE something 
happens. In some states you cannot insure a car unless it is 
registered and you can't register it unless it is insured. It is 
important to know these things especially when it comes to storage and 
you take the plates off for the winter. Unknowingly you have 
discontinued your insurance TOO. Or you stop using the car and let the 
registration lapse. You continue paying your insurance but when you 
have a loss and they find out it wasn't registered at the time they 
won't pay (It was a condition of the policy). Others in the auto hobby 
have found out the hard way so try to learn from other's mistakes. It 
makes a really big difference the state you live in too, the rules can 
be very different state to state.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Dear Adam,
>      My experience with the insurance company that I had my D 
> insurred with was a lot like yours. When the agent was asked what 
> the value of the car was, the answer was they didn't know, but it
> was in the same class as the Corvette.

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:40:40 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Accountants AA

I know the moderater said no more but I just wanted to reply.

[Moderator Note: Dave is lucky he stumbled into a moderator who
 is interested in this subject.  But this is definitely the
 last post in this thread UNLESS some DeLorean-related news comes
 out, or a DML subscriber wants to post the URL of another
 discussion group where the Arthur Anderson thread will
 continue.  - Mike Substelny, this week's moderator]

Techinicaly you are correct, the losses are to the personal retirement 
accounts not the "pensions". To most people's minds they are similar 
enough that they use the terms interchangeably. The REAL result is now 
these employees will have less to retire on because the stock they 
bought and could not sell or trade is worthless. The real injustice is 
many of the executives were able to dump their stock before the end 
and even made money on it before it tumbled. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> *****  Moderator's Note  *****
> This is the last post on the Arthur Anderson situation.  
> Let's get back to the cars...
> *****
> 
> David Teitelbaum wrote:
> <snip>... not only did all of the [Enron] employees lose
> their livelyhood, their pensions were lost too!... <snip>
> 
>    This is not true. Their pensions are protected by a
> federal law, the 'Employee Retirement Income Security Act'
> of 1974, acronym ERISA. Every Enron employee WILL receive
> their vested PENSION benefits.

[moderator snip]

> Let me repeat - IT IS NOT
> TRUE THAT ENRON EMPLOYEES HAVE LOST THEIR PENSIONS!
> 
> Mike Hirko
> VIN 1387




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:02:36 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: RE: UK owners please read

Yes, Eric,

This car was in England until recently. It was bought my a suddenly very
wealthy person in Northern Ireland.

 It is not in great shape and the new owner is thinking of sending it to the
USA for restoration. I am sure you know it has featured in many magazine
articles and is a "sister" to my Dusty, being a RHD , black manual. Its vin
will be in the range 12172-12185

I am not directly in touch with the owner, its rather difficult to contact
him! He will not respond to letters.

All the best,

Chris Parnham  DOC UK


-----Original Message-----
From: erikgeerdink [mailto:erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: 14 January 2002 04:34
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] UK owners please read

Hello,
Any of you UK owners, or enthusiest know who owns the delorean with
the following license plate number

OGH 486Y

It should be either an 82 or an 83, going by the "delorean" badge on
the hood.  Also, the car appears to be right hand drive with a black
interior.  If anyone has any info on the car, please let me know.
Thanks

Erik



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:02:34 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: need photos of inside the door

If anyone has photos of the inside of your door with the door panel off,
please forward me copies.  Another list member and I are trying to figure
out how to get a heavy duty window regulator to fit properly in his car.  We
took my door panel off and compared his with mine, but after close
inspection I'm not happy with how mine is connected either.  The tube tends
to pivot like a windshield wiper as the window goes up & down.  It also
tends to push on the door skin putting a dent in the center of the door.
I've seen many other DeLoreans with the same dent, so I suppose my window
regulator is installed "properly".  But I'd like some other opinions.  My
mail box has a 10MB capacity.  Or if you have them on the net already, send
me a link.

Thanks,
Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 15
Date: 14 Jan 2002 12:09:58 +0000
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>
Subject: Re: BTTF VideoCamera

[Moderator Note: As enlightened as DML subscribers are, may I humbly suggest that the discussion board at www.bttf.com is much more likely to yield the answer to this question.]

Hi Stian

Im not 100% sure but I think It was called a JVG GRV7 or summit like that. (gee ! how nerdy is that,)

Cheers

Nick


On 1/12/02, Stian Birkeland <delorean_at_dml_online.no> wrote:
>Ok, not completely DMC related, but - 
>Does anyone know what kind of red JVC videocamera Marty was using 
>in BTTF ? 
>A model nr. of the type plus additional info would be nice...please 
>e-mail me privately!
>
>Mr. Stian Birkeland
>Norway
>
>VIN # 06759



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:28:47 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: The Old Guys

Due to a threat by Dick Ryan we were forced to lower the bar to age 68.
If any of you are 68 or over, and haven't checked in, contact me off
list.  Thanks.

Les




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:31:52 -0500
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: On the prowl for a used radio

I know alot of people have replaced their radios and might have their old
ones lying around. I'd like to buy a good, used radio since mine never came
with one. I'm afraid that a shiny, new one will stand out like a turd in a
punch bowl.

If anyone has one, email me privately.



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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:27:59 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Advice needed: Unfortunate occurrance

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, aaron_t_graham wrote:
>
> > Sadly, #1506 hit a deer tonight.  Headed westbound on I-74, between
> > Indianapolis and Urbana-Champaign, a deer struck my D while I was
> > going about 65.

[SNIP]

> > 3.  Who should I get to do the work?  Is this even an option for me,
> > or is the insurance company, in their infinite wisdom, going to try
> > to set me up somewhere?  Should I have the car sent all the way to
> > someplace like Houston?

Sorry to hear about your accident, Aaron.  While I am certain that either DMC Houston or PJ
Grady would do excelent work for you, based on the site of the accident I believe that
Bauerle Automotive is closer to you.  Dave Bauerle's specialized DeLorean repair and
transport facility is located in Central Ohio.  His phone number is (740) 595-3348.

If you or anyone else wants to meet Dave, he plans to be at the DeLorean Club of Ohio
meeting this Saturday at the Mohican State Park Lodge.

- Mike Substelny




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