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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 869
Date: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:09 PM

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re:Need used manual LH transmission bracket, please!
From: "Dan RC30" <>

2. Re: Insurance/proposed ban...

3. Re: Factory Clock questions
From: Jan van de Wouw <>

4. Re: On the prowl for a used radio
From: "DMC Joe" <>

5. Re: Re: Factory Clock questions
From: "B Benson" <>

6. Re: Best Built DeLoreans (LONG)

7. Re: Instrument light
From: "DMC Joe" <>

8. Re: Re: Insurance...
From: "DMC Joe" <>

9. Just a note of thanks!
From: Travis Goodwin <>

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:52:02 -0500
From: "Dan RC30" <>
Subject: Re:Need used manual LH transmission bracket, please!

Can you find the original shop that welded it? Maybe ask the previous owner?
I'd bring it back to the original shop and ask why it wasn't welded
properly. If it's been welded that many times, they obviously have no idea
of how to weld properly. If they are a reputable shop, they should stand
behind their work.

If not, Bob Miller sells a lot of used parts. Try contacting him. He might
have what you need. If not, send me the disfigured part. I know a machinist
that's a wizard on the milling machine as well as an incredible weldor.
Maybe he can help!


: "shirazcupala" Subject: Need used manual LH transmission bracket, please!

This weekend while fixing a rear CV boot I found a nasty problem.
My LH (driver's side) manual transmission bracket is in 3 pieces.
It's been welded at least a half-dozen times and is now unusable.
Unfortunately none of the vendors have this part.  I also checked
with a local junkyard that had a DeLorean but they don't have the
part either.  I'm hoping that someone has a parts car or misc stash
with this part who would be willing to sell it to me.  The part
number (for database lookup) is 106341.  Please email me privately
if you can help me!  shirazcupala (at)

Thank you!


DeLorean #2860
Seattle, WA


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:11:30 EST
Subject: Re: Insurance/proposed ban...

Cecil, State Farm has had the DeLorean on the list I know for 5 years due to 
the parts cost. They told me it was because of parts cost, $300.00 fender VS 
$1,000.00 fender + more. They did insure mine for full coverage for the 1st 
year and after that my agent for 30 years said no more.
John Hervey


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:07:22 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <>
Subject: Re: Factory Clock questions

David Teitelbaum wrote:

> The reason DMC stopped putting the clock in the console is that when
> they changed from the Craig to the ASI radios the ASI had a clock  in
> it's display.
> The Parts Manual should have the vin changeover.

According to my Parts Manual the Clock was featured UP TO VIN 6158.

My car had/has the clock, but I can't say that its really helpfull for
telling time. First of all it runs fast about 5 minutes every week, it's
hard to adjust properly and is on a 12-hour scheme instead of 24.
And not the least problem; when I'm driving the clock is set into the panel
too deep, so I can only see the upper halves of the numbers (when I'm

Alls this was reason for me to take out the clock and filling up the hole
that remained with a special display for monitoring several functions on the
car. SinceI had my accident past november I haven't been able to work on
this anymore, but I plan to have a small display showing operation and
cycling of both fans plus their reason to come on (AC, engine temp or
override) and the status of my alarmsystem. These six functions are just
enough to nicely fille the hole with something usefull.

When I finally finish it I'll post some pics somewhere...

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000



Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:31:43 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: On the prowl for a used radio


We have several; contact us directly.

DeLorean Help

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Garbade" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] On the prowl for a used radio

> This is one of the reasons I love this group and our car.  Talk about 
> generosity!
> Ed
> >From: "John Galik" <>
> >Reply-To:
> >To: <>
> >Subject: Re: [DML] On the prowl for a used radio
> >Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:19:25 -0500
> >
> >Travis
> >
> >I'm planning to upgrade my audio in the next few months, you can have my
> >stock radio for shipping chgs.  E-mail me off list.
> >
> >John Galik


Message: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:34:42 -0600
From: "B Benson" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Factory Clock questions

Later model '81's had Craigs with the clock built in the display.

Bruce Benson

> The reason DMC stopped putting the clock in the console is that when 
> they changed from the Craig to the ASI radios the ASI had a clock  in 
> it's display. .
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:27:07 EST
Subject: Re: Best Built DeLoreans (LONG)

   You want to make an informed decision, whereby, you have knowledge about 
the DeLorean marque & wherewithal to correct any UNSEEN maladies. I emphasize 
unseen based on a recent event with another owner. 
     Another local car nut, purchased a Ferrari 512 m with 8,000 miles. The 
car was well loved, and possessed the proper/required service history as well 
as an outstanding provenance. However while driving the car for the very 
first time, the engine quit running after a loud bang and subsequent wheel 
lock up. The owner was devastated. The car was towed to a Ferrari specialist 
in Philadelphia (Alger Exotics). The diagnosis? Broken cam shaft which 
allowed the valves to bend as they hit the top of the piston.  Estimate to 
rebuild the 12 cylinders? $45,000.00 Why did the cam break? During routine 
maintenance the technician working on the car (at another dealership) made a 

     Based on the continuous information provided about DeLorean automobile 
reliability & ownership accolades from DeLorean World magazine, as well as 
the information here on the list, ANY YEAR DeLorean is reliable as 
demonstrated by the loving owner who has maintained the car to current 
standards of DeLorean maintenance. 

    There are examples of owners that have found the proverbial "barn car" 
put fresh gas in the tank and have not had to rebuild, restore, rejuvenate, 
etc., any part of the car.

    However there is case after case of new owner, after purchasing a "great 
deal" discovers that their new DeLorean needs thousands or tens of thousands 
of dollars to bring the car to an acceptable condition. This isn't the end of 
the world, however like the Ferrari owner, the analogy of attending a movie 
is a fitting example;
    The admission price to the movies (car purchase) is an excellent form of 
entertainment. However, the popcorn & soda (parts, insurance, maintenance, 
etc.) are expensive. Again, you need to have the wherewithal and resources to 
assist you and your new toy.
    As far as Daily Driver Vs Concourse (show car), high and low VIN numbers, 
Automatic Vs Manual transmission, model year, high Vs low mileage...none of 
this really matters as it is a personal preference. These options/differences 
exist for you to decide what particular features you want in a DeLorean, as 
based on the aforementioned array of production changes & options.

    You should decide what particular year, VIN range, transmission 
designation, mileage acceptability, etc., etc., etc., you want. Search the 
market of DeLoreans for sale, look at several examples, take video& pictures, 
ask DeLorean owners past & present for their opinion(s) and purchase a car 
that is a good fit for you...preferably the best daily driver for sale, with 
upgrades & necessary service requirements attended to. Unless you are looking 
for a project car to completely restore yourself.

    The frustrations each "antique car owner" has encountered, it is advised 
that you buy a good car that has a complete service history, or a car that is 
well known from either a local or international club, specialist/service 
center, or reformed owner.

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:57:56 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Instrument light

The instrument cluster illumination rheostat has a high failure rate. To
temporarily restore your instrument lighting access the under side of the
shifter panel and locate the wires leading to the rheostat. You will notice
an unused rheostat terminal, unplug one of the wires from the adjoining pair
and plug it into the unused terminal. This should restore your instrument
illumination to full brightness until you can replace the defective

DeLorean Help
----- Original Message -----
From: "wilhelm starberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: [DML] Instrument light

> Hello,
> Since I got my drivers license last tuesday (yahoooo :) I'm finally able
> to drive my own car.  One night when I was driving i realized that I 
> could not see my spedoometer, it's not illuminated.

[moderator snip]


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:12:48 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Insurance...

Check out Leland-West Insurance Brokers, Inc. .
They specialize in exotic and classic cars and name the DeLorean in their

DeLorean Help

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Price" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Insurance...

> Could someone please tell me what company they use for insurance on their
> daily drivers?


Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:37:31 -0500
From: Travis Goodwin <>
Subject: Just a note of thanks!

You guys have been great about helping me find an old radio. I can't wait to
get the old one out and finally have the console complete. 

I will be replacing my drivers side window motor in the coming month should
anyone want the old one. It still works but the bracket that holds the upper
arm to the door is broken. Like the radios, it's free to a good home. 


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