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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 874
Date: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:10 PM

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Instrument light
From: "robert parker" <>

2. Re: Re: Novice Maintenance Questions
From: "DMC Joe" <>

3. Re: Best Built DeLoreans
From: "DMC Joe" <>

4. Re: RE: trailing arm bolt incident
From: "janvdwouw" <>

5. RE: the width of the delorean
From: "Murray Fisher" <>

6. Re: the width of the delorean
From: "janvdwouw" <>

7. Shops around Charlotte
From: Farrar Hudkins <>

8. Re: RE: trailing arm bolt incident
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:24:40
From: "robert parker" <>
Subject: Re: Instrument light

My rheo was first broken by the dealership, epoxyed by my brother; then by a 
repair shop, epoxyed by my brother; yet again, inadvertantly, by me.  My 
brother this time replaced the broken plastic stop-plate with a hand made 
metal copy, making my rheo BETTER than original.  Just an alternative fix 
for the tinkerers amongst us.     Drive Stainless   Robert VIN 6924

From: "DMC Joe" <>
To: <>
Subject: Re: [DML] Instrument light
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:57:56 -0500

The instrument cluster illumination rheostat has a high failure rate. To


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:20:28 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Novice Maintenance Questions


As always you have given lots of useful and accurate information concerning
this subject. I would like add a comment on the suggestion to flush and
refill the clutch fluid. It has been my experience over the years that
adding  new clutch fluid to an old system will accelerate the failure of
seals in one or both cylinders.

I would suggest that if the system cylinders are original or the fluid has
not been changed in over 5 years that both master and slave be replaced. The
clutch cylinders will usually leak prior to failure giving the owner some
time to take action. New owners working on a budget can move the clutch
cylinders further down the list of improvements you have suggested.

DeLorean Help

----- Original Message -----
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:52 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Novice Maintenance Questions

> Since you appear to be new to Deloreans I would recomend you read the
> owner's manual. I also suggest you have the brake and clutch fluid
> flushed and refilled with Castrol GTLMA DOT 4. 


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:23:43 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Best Built DeLoreans


You said, concerning door problems:
>"So if you are shopping for a DeLorean that is to be put to any real use, I
would steer clear of these early VINs."<

I don't completely agree. The majority of early door problems are all
related to the lack of door striker guides. Installation of the guides to
the early vin's will eliminate most of the door latching and or jamming

DeLorean Help
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Coe" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Best Built DeLoreans

> > Generally, knowing the VIN can tell you something about a DeLorean's
> condition 20 years ago, but tells you nothing about its condition
> ay.    - Mike Substelny, this week's DML moderator]
> - and -
> > i heard the very first ones of the  assembly line
> > had door fitting problems


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:41:11 -0000
From: "janvdwouw" <>
Subject: Re: RE: trailing arm bolt incident

--- In dmcnews, id  wrote:
> did anyone look at pearce design products?
> he offers a new trailing arm and support
> bracket that would eliminate these "toby bolt" problems.
> check it out.

As I understand it, these new traing arms ar NOT compatible 
with an original frame, only with the PermaFrame.
They seem to have a completely new geometry to them.
In fact they have to modify the original trailing arms to fit the new 
Perma Frame, so I don't think these can eliminate this problem.

All this talk about the TAB's did make me decide to have both of 
my TAB's replaced. Since my suspension is damaged and I 
have to get it aligned after repairs anyway I thought this would be 
a good time to do so.

Jan van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since sept 2000


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:42:55 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <>
Subject: RE: the width of the delorean

I skimmed the DeLorean Gold Portfolio quickly and find that all the reprints
of various auto magazine writeups show the width of the D as 73 inches,
except for a couple that showed the 78.3 width.  The 73 is closer to
correct....a couple show it as 72.1.  You are nitpicking when you get into
tenths of an inch.  Also maybe of interest is that you can park next to
another car or wall within 11 inches and still open the doors.  (I wouldn't
recommend being QUITE that close though!!) I am sure my location in our
garage is unique and this feature works perfectly for my situation......We
have an unusually narrow two car garage and we must park both cars against
the walls as close as possible, and "debark" to the center of the way could I  climb over the "hump"..The D is parked on the
left side and I can open the door and get out and sidle along the car to go
on out.  Also another one of a kind probably, is that my ceiling in that
area is exactly 6 feet 1 inch.....I cut a hole in the ceiling in the two
places, to allow the rear view mirrors to extend up to full height!  The
next person who buys this house will go crazy trying to figure why those
"holes" are there!!  Ho Ho.

Murray Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII


Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:06:27 -0000
From: "janvdwouw" <>
Subject: Re: the width of the delorean

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "delorean66" <delorean66_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> The last time that I asked this, I got different answers.
> I know that  the length of the car is 168 inches and the
> height is 44.8, but I  want to know exactly what the actual
> WIDTH of the car is. Some places state 73.1 inches and
> others state 78.3. Which one's the right one? 

According to the owners manual that I downloade at the car is 166" long (4213mm), 44.88" high with 
the doors closed (1140mm) and 72.83" wide over the doors 
(1850mm), the overall width stated is 73.1" (1859mm).
This is probably measured over the rear fenders...

I can't take measurements for you, but I would guess the 
width of  78.3" (1989mm) is measured over the mirrors 
instead of the body width.The height of the car with opened 
doors is measured over the mirrors at 77.2" (1960mm).

Hope this clarifies something,

Jan van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since sept 2000


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:08:00 -0600
From: Farrar Hudkins <>
Subject: Shops around Charlotte

To the person in Charlotte:

My family has taken every car we've ever owned to Sparks in Concord.
Jim's the auto transmission specialist (if you're unlucky enough) and
they all have their fields of expertise, but when you get there talk to
Bobby and tell him what problem you have, and he'll steer to you the
right guy for the job. (All due respect to the yougsters -- they do good
work on the late-model cars, but the old guys do better with the ones
they've been working on for twenty years.) If I had a DeLorean, and
still live in Charlotte, I'd take it to them for all the work I couldn't
do myself.

Speaking of Charlotte, I'll be there for my birthday -- which is the
26th! Thanks for the tip about the get-together there ... I'll see if I
can bring a canmera to remember my first encounter with a live DeLorean!
(Hope you don't mind a few photos, Joe!):D

Also, to those of you who requested the E! show VHS tapes and VCDs, as I
will be out of town, there will be no shipment of your orders between
Thursday and Feb 5th.

Former Charlottean, and hoping the basketball team stays there,
Farrar Hudkins
New Orleans, LA


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:52:58 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: RE: trailing arm bolt incident

Just to add my 2p on the TAB subject...

Since first getting #1458 running, I have had a couple of serious scares when the back
end seemed to have a mind of its own. I finally got the car on the 4-post ramp three
weeks ago, and together with new tyres (Pirelli P600 back, P6000 front), and torqueing
the TABs, the car feels completely different. One was fine, the other required only 2
turns to take it to the correct setting. Neither were bent. It is incredible how much
difference a slightly loose bolt makes to the handling.

I had the fortune to be able to drive James Grant's automatic on Saturday, and it was
sooooo easy to unstick the back end - just as mine was prior to checking the TAB's. He
has never checked them, and we ran out of time on Saturday. He also drove my car and
noted how much more tight it is on corners.

On this subject, what is the accepted method of easily getting to the TABs on an auto to
torque them?

Best Wishes



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