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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. who knew?
From: "Kevin Creason" <>

2. Coolent loss

3. Re: High Idle Questions

4. How many miles on your Delorean?
From: "psychopowerrr" <>

5. Re: auto tranny problem
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

6. Re: High Idle Questions
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

7. RE: Re: Delorean Maintenance?

8. RE: Re: auto tranny problem

9. Re: How many miles on your Delorean?

10. Simple questions
From: "Martin Pajak" <>

11. Re: How many miles on your Delorean?

12. RE: How many miles on your Delorean?
From: greglinstad <>

13. 1:43 scale delorean from DMC houston
From: id <>

14. Re: How many miles on your Delorean?
From: Louie G <>

15. Delorean Car Show Update

16. Chicago this weekend.
From: "dmc6960" <>

17. Andersen and De Lorean story on AOL

18. Poll results for dmcnews
From: dmcnews

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:09:53 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <>
Subject: who knew?

I just had my exhaust manifold gaskets, my cat, and few other odds and ends
done at Houston... who knew it would change the way it ran? Quieter, more
power, smoother.... And I've been missing all this for over a year. Such a
big difference-- at first I wondered if they didn't sneak in some of their
power modifications! But, they weren't on the bill so I know it ain't so.

Dang it! should'a done that work long ago.

I notice that is "seems" to idle just slightly higher than before. Not
hardly much, but maybe it's all in my perception in the totally better sound
and feel.

24,200 miles


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:04:52 -0500
Subject: Coolent loss


A member of the PNDC had the same problem (coolent loss) After an intake manifold removal a hose that can only be accessed when the manifold is off was found to have a leak.  Could you have the same prob?  It was not evident where the coolent was going in the normal trouble shooting measures.

Just a thought
Jim Sawyer
vin 4149
Jim Sawyer
DeLorean Vin #41499

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:24:52 EST
Subject: Re: High Idle Questions

Willie, I would get a guarentee this will fix it or my money back. Injectors 
can be cleaned to a certain extent, but normally if they won't spray 
correctly or they are leaking, or the seal around them are leaking, it's 
something else.
John Hervey 


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:59:26 -0000
From: "psychopowerrr" <>
Subject: How many miles on your Delorean?

Hi I'm just wondering how many miles do you Delorean owners have on 
your car?  Any above 100,000 miles?  And did you come across any 
major problems due to the high miles on your Delorean?

Thanks for the info.


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:34:20 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: auto tranny problem

This does sound like a shift computer problem but ther are a couple of 
things to check first. Check the fluid for the correct level and 
condition, it should be betwen the high and low marks and shouldn't 
smell burnt. Check the cable adjustment from the throttle spool to the 
shift computer for proper adjustment. And finally check the wiring and 
plugs going to the shift computer. Make sure plugs are seated 
completly, connections are clean and none of the cables got melted on 
the exhaust pipes. The gear selecter could also be out of adjustment 
but not likely. Other possible but less likely causes are plugged 
filter, worn fluid pump, out of adjustment modulater, all could cause 
low line presure that improves as the fluid warms up. A definative 
test would be to check the line pressure as per the Workshop Manual.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_r...> wrote:
> Hi Group,
>          Theres a DeLorean being auctioned here in
> Sydney which I'm intrested in.When I went out for a
> spin in it on the weekend it seems the transmission
> wouldn't downshift to first gear


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:45:31 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: High Idle Questions

The short answer is that the shop doesn't know what the are 
doing!!!!!! Get the car out of there and take it to someone who 
doesn't want to "purge" your car (and in the process your wallet!). 
The car is idling high because it is not set-up properly. Only someone 
familiar with Bosch K-Jetronic and has a "D" Workshop Manual can do it 
correctly. Try a Volvo dealer if you can't find anyone else and bring 
a Manual with you. My guess is that you will need a complete cooling 
system service and a complete tune-up to get the car right. The fuel 
system is self-purging as far as air is concerned. In general spark 
plugs don't arc (exept at the electode like they are supposed to), the 
ignition wires can when bad causing a miss and a loud clicking.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> I took my D to a garage yesterday to find out where my all my anti 
freeze is leaking from.  While it was in the shop i asked them to diagnois why 
she was idling so high.  There answer today is, that my spark plugs are 
arcing and my fuel injection needs to be purged?  What does fuel injection 
needs to be purged mean?


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:01:01 -0500
Subject: RE: Re: Delorean Maintenance?

There are also
>factory recalls, and updates which are also essential to having
>a safe, reliable DeLorean. Those deal with the cooling,
>electrical, and fuel systems. A lot of people also feel that you
>should steer clear of the really early and really late cars, and
>that 5-speeds are more reliable than the automatics... 

The really, really, really, really, really, really, really early, and really, really, really, really late cars are just as reliable as any other DeLorean. Since these particular cars have traded hands so often the previous owners, as well as, the current owners have made an investment into the car to have them updated and maintained correctly...I say Correctly, as too often the statement applies here "there are DeLorean's & there are butchered, jerry rigged, P.O.S. DeLorean's" no matter what VIN range, year, or transmission designation.

To give you an example, there is a student here at the US Naval Academy who purchased an early 1981 #1554 from the public school district. The car sat for well over 15 years in the vocational school. The car was repaired correctly, and was driven across the United States from Maryland to San Diego California.

There are several owners of Automatic DeLoreans who find the Automatic very reliable and less of a headache than a 5 speed. It is your preference. I drove two automatic DMC'c everyday for 4 problems.
In addition, Mr. Bernstein has over 500,000 miles on his automatic DeLorean.

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack
DOA 4743


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:02:58 -0500
Subject: RE: Re: auto tranny problem

DO NOT DRIVE any Automatic DeLorean with a defective "bad" transmission computer governor.

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack

"Adam Price" <> wrote:

>I am pretty sure this is a computer/governor problem. My car does the same 
>thing. It can be combated by starting the car out with the gear selector in 
>a lower setting other than Drive.


Message: 9
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:22:52 EST
Subject: Re: How many miles on your Delorean?

Apparently, mine has 130,000+ miles on it but I cannot confirm that mileage for sure (just bought it over a year ago).  I drive it many times a week and have yet to encounter any problems related to the mileage.



Message: 10
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:28:17 -0500
From: "Martin Pajak" <>
Subject: Simple questions


I've always loved the DeLorean and I interested in picking one up.
I went through a lot of sites but none talked about major problems with the
I hear the engine design in general is not very good, but that's what I
heard about Volvos with that engine.
I am a hands on guy and would probably be doing most of the maintenance and
repairs (or upgrades) myself.
Just wondering what are the most common problems with cars both with
maintenance and general engineering faults.

As an aside I always thought the 1982 Audi coupe's front end looked very
simular to the DeLorean.

Thanks in advance.

Martin Pajak


Message: 11
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:29:34 EST
Subject: Re: How many miles on your Delorean?

Yes there are a lot of us 100K milers out here. The only advise I can give is 
keep up with the small stuff. The more you drive your car the more you want 
to drive it.
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569 


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:30:54 -0800
From: greglinstad <>
Subject: RE: How many miles on your Delorean?

To PsychoPower:
Many DeLoreans (including mine) have well over 100,000 miles, a few even over 200,000. If these cars were like many of the stories you have heard we would not have kept them this long. Study the archives and find an owner close to you for advice.

Greg Linstad
Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club
VIN# 3507   120,000+ miles
Washington plate  "RUSTLSS"


Message: 13
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:47:48 -0800
From: id <>
Subject: 1:43 scale delorean from DMC houston

i just got my car today and it is awesome. the detail is allot better than the 1:18
sunstar model. the only thing that i dont like is the doors dont open and also the hood
doesn't either but i will get over it. the headlights, marker lights and tail lights
look like actual delorean parts shrunk. this car even has wrinkles in the seats, goldish
brown rear defogger lines, rubber tires, detailed underbody, gauges and heater/cooling
controls that have color to them and actually look like they would work, factory clock,
engine compartment stickers, a metal pin with the car number and the factory tape deck.
the sunstar model looks like it has a CD player if you look carefully.

i say thumbs up to this model and it is a definite buy in my book and it is well worth
the price. check it out at

proud owner of
#0057 out of #9999 1:43 scale deloreans.


Message: 14
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:28:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie G <>
Subject: Re: How many miles on your Delorean?

This would make a great poll for the egroups site. Perhaps you can set it up there instead having 100 posts from everyone listing their mileages :).

--- "psychopowerrr" wrote:
>Hi I'm just wondering how many miles do you Delorean owners have on 
>your car?


Message: 15
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:46:13 EST
Subject: Delorean Car Show Update

If you are interested here is a breakdown by states of people attending so 
I did a Quick scan so I may have missed one or two.  These are registrations 
not people. we are averaging about 3 people per registration/Hotel Room same 
as in Cleveland and Cincinnati.

16 States 3 Countries

OH  13
IL      6
NJ     3
MI     3
TN     3
WA    2
FL      2
MN     2

I STILL HAVE 10 0R SO TO LOG IN SO I AM NOT UP TO DATE.  That is almost half 
the registrations we had in Cleveland and is no surprise so far about half 
the people 153 to date.

This is just for fun so for those of you that like stats 
here they are 

Also we are running 60% returnees and 40% new (rounded off)


This is keeping me real busy LOL


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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:55:38 -0000
From: "dmc6960" <>
Subject: Chicago this weekend.

I realize this is kinda short notice, but I plan on driving down to 
Chicago this weekend from Minnesota to check out the unvailing of 
D-REX.  I will be there either just saturday, or saturday overnight 
into sunday (unsure yet).  If any local owners in the area would like 
to get together and grab a bite to eat, I'm up for it.  Best time 
would probably be saturday evening.  Anyone interested send me a 
private email at ultra(at), and you may want to include your 
phone number because I will not have internet access once I leave my 
house.  I hope to see some of you there.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club


Message: 17
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:34:20 EST
Subject: Andersen and De Lorean story on AOL

Hey List,
     Today I did a search on Delorean in the news section of AOL, and this is 
the story that popped up:

UK Enron questions turn to auditors Andersen

By Mike Peacock

LONDON (Reuters) - Questions about the British government's links with 
bankrupt energy trader Enron Corp. took a turn Tuesday with opposition 
politicians focusing on the Labor government's relationship with the firm's 
accountant, Andersen. 

In the United States, Andersen -- one of the "big five" accountants' firms -- 
is under pressure over its auditing of Enron and the destruction of thousands 
of documents. 

President Bush's administration is in the spotlight over its links with 
Enron, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair's government is now also facing 
scrutiny, with its relationship with Andersen the focus. 

Ties between Andersen and Britain's ruling Labor Party date from before the 
1997 election, when Labor was languishing in opposition. 

Trade and Industry Secretary Patricia Hewitt worked for Andersen's consulting 
arm from 1994 to 1997, when Labor won office. A number of the firm's 
employees were seconded to help the Labor machine before it took power. 

Although newspapers are crying "sleaze" over Enron and Andersen, a Blair aide 
said the government was squeaky clean. 

"Nobody has been able to point to a single fact in either of these cases ... 
that justifies such headlines," the aide said. 


Until Labor came to power in 1997, Andersen had been blacklisted from 
undertaking government work since the 1980s because of its role as auditor to 
the Northern Ireland-based automaker DeLorean, which, like Enron, collapsed. 

That ban was ended soon after Blair's party came to power and Andersen has 
since worked on various government projects. 

The previous Conservative government pursued Andersen in the courts for 
compensation, because of state money that was pumped into DeLorean and lost. 

Blair's official spokesman said Tuesday a government review of Andersen's 
status was in progress before the 1997 election. 

The review ended just before election day -- recommending the government 
settle out of court. Blair's predecessor, John Major, had no time to make a 
final decision, leaving the new Labor government to decide. 

Blair's aide said that after the 1997 election government lawyers called in 
an independent law lord to mediate. 

He ruled that Andersen should pay Britain 21 million pounds ($29.8 million), 
far less than what the previous government had wanted, without admitting 
liability. Both sides agreed. 

The Conservatives denied they would have ever let Andersen off the hook and 
have called for an inquiry. 

There have also been parliamentary questions about what government work 
Andersen had won since 1997. 

Blair's aide said that question would take "weeks to answer." 

Andersen would not comment Tuesday. 

As for the links with Enron, the Blair spokesman said, "We are being 
completely open about this." 

The government produced a blow-by-blow account Monday of meetings ministers 
had with executives of the collapsed Houston-based company and denied it 
tailored its policies in response. 

A Labor source said the party received no lump sums from Enron but that its 
European arm had bought tickets for party dinners and sponsored one event in 
the past, at a cost of 38,000 pounds ($53,710). 

Blair's spokesman said Enron executives met four ministers but that the 
government's energy policy hurt not helped Enron between 1998 and 2000 as it 
blocked new gas power stations to help the ailing coal industry. 

Critics say lobbying by Enron may have prompted a policy switch when the 
moratorium was ended in November 2000. 

But the government always said the block would only last as long as it took 
to implement reforms of the electricity market introduced in early 2001. 


Message: 18
Date: 1 Feb 2002 08:21:04 -0000
From: dmcnews
Subject: Poll results for dmcnews

The following dmcnews poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 

POLL QUESTION: What is your opinion of John Delorean 
regarding his integrity as a man and 
skills as a auto-maker. 

- brilliant dream, a nightmare in reality, 1 votes, 9.09%  
- scum who designed a cool car, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- scum who designed a bad car, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- brilliant man, beautiful car, 10 votes, 90.91%  
- John who?, 0 votes, 0.00%  

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