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Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:17 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Stainless Cleaner NOT!
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

2. For fun, Car Show Stats
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

3. Custon Cd Changer
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

4. Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

5. Re: Stainless Cleaner
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

6. Re: Delorean costs (beetle sound)
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

7. Legends of the Road
From: "Ralph Isenberg" <yugoman50_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. A disservice to our car
From: DHughes030_at_dml_aol.com

9. update on my tight steering problem
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: fuel pressure tester
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

11. Re: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?
From: "G Wells" <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>

12. wacko speedo?!
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

13. Re: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

14. Autoglym Resin Polish + Neon Underbody Lights! (was R.E. Stainless Cleaner)
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

15. Re: MY tight steering problem!
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

16. Re: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

17. Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: A disservice to our car
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

19. Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

20. Re: wacko speedo?!
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

21. Re: Delorean on TV
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

22. RE: Custon Cd Changer
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:10:08 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Stainless Cleaner NOT!

This whole scenario gets you stuck in a cycle of addiction.  You want a
shiny car, so you apply a fresh coat of stainless steel polish which loosens
the grimy old layer of polish residue and replaces it with a fresh sticky
layer ready & waiting to suck up new dirt.  Your previously clean polish rag
now has a satisfying stain that gives you the same satisfaction you got
earlier from wiping your butt. You subliminally resolve that this is just a
fact of nature as keeping one thing wiped clean equates to the other.  You
may not readily admit this to yourself, but deep down inside you know I'm
right.

People comment that my DeLorean is so much shinier than theirs and ask what
kind of stainless steel polish I use.  Well, I don't.  I've never used any
and don't ever plan to.  If such a polish isn't a paste, then it is a liquid
that will dry to a paste.  And as you know, paste is sticky.  It might do a
great job removing oxidation from your stainless, but if you do not remove
all of the polish then it will leave a residue -- particularly deep in the
grain.  If this residue is sticky enough to stay on the car, then surely
dust & grime will stick to it also.

The secret of a truly shiny car is in the clean deep grain that can catch
the light from every direction.  Thinning the grain down with repeated
polishing and filling what is left with sticky polish residue will reduce
the available reflective surfaces in the grain that make the bare stainless
so beautiful.

I only wash my car with ordinary Westley's car soap which happens to be car
wax friendly even though I don't wax any part of my DeLorean.  Then I towel
it dry to prevent hard water stains.  Bare stainless forms a natural
protective layer of oxidation that is better left undisturbed even though
removing it will make the metal more reflective.  Then to keep the oxidation
from forming, you are going to need to maintain that layer of protective
residue (hah hah hah).  In the process, it will accentuate fingerprints and
act as a grime magnet.

To undo the damage caused by stainless steel polish, I suggest cleaning your
car with a stiff solution of liquid automatic dishwasher detergent such as
the lemon Sunlight brand or better yet use Westley's whitewall wheel
cleaner, but be careful not to damage the painted surfaces with it.  Once
your car is free of residues, leave it that way.  If the factory original
grain has been disturbed or thinned by too much polishing then re-texture it
with 80 grit sandpaper.  Anything finer will tend to polish the metal
instead of texture it.  Then even-up the texture with a Scotch-Brite pad,
but don't go crazy with it because this tends to over-polish too.  From then
on the only thing it needs is a little soap & water.  After the natural
layer of protective oxidation forms, you will still have the shiniest
DeLorean on the block.  But then it goes without saying that you probably
have the ONLY DeLorean on the block anyway.

People mistakenly think that since stainless steel polish products are
available and they work very well at least indoors, they assume that abusive
use of one of them is compulsory for a well maintained DeLorean.  But the
fact of the matter is that these products are best suited for cooking
utensils and equipment in kitchens & laboratories.  I've never seen a pizza
oven or autoclave cruise a few inches over a dusty road.  But if I do, I'll
admire the gleaming stainless while I move out of its way.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:32:39 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: For fun, Car Show Stats

After this last batch of registrations it is funny but the split between 
returnees and new people are about even (This happened in Cleveland also)
51% new first timers
49% returnees. 

There appears to be a lot of interest in the Sunstar Model contest so I think 
we will have at least 10-15 maybe a lot more.

I am also getting more cars than I expected.  Its early to tell but there 
will be more than I expected.

More to come 

Ken
DeLoreancarshow.com



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:46:49 -0500
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: Custon Cd Changer

I have been meaning to post this for a while.  I have uploaded pictures
of my custom cd changer in the files section under stereos and Joe
Palatinus.  Take a look at the nice trim job around the changer.  I cut
into the knee pad to install it. check it out, my cousin helped me with
it, but I am really proud.

Joe Palatinus
VIN 17167 6808



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:53:04 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]

Martin,
There is only one section in my book that deals with High Control Pressure,
and we are "ASSuming that", without the use of pressure gauges. Here it is:

Symptom:
Cold control pressure high
Warm control pressure high
System pressure normal
Rest pressure normal

Possible cause:
Restriction in the return line from the Control Pressure Regulator.
Defective Control Pressure Regulator

To distinguish between these install a replacement return line on the
Control Pressure Regulator, allowing the fuel to flow into an approved fuel
container. If the Control Pressure drops, then repair/replace the return
line. If the control pressure does not drop then replace the Control
Pressure Regulator.

If this doesn't fix the problem then you need to buy a fuel pressure guage
and take some readings. Have you replaced the fuel filter yet??

ALWAYS keep a fire extinguisher nearby when working with the fuel system.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 5:18 AM
Subject: [DML] Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]


I drove about 600 miles with Rich's CPR
> in my D, and it progresively got more and more difficult to start, and
> ran more and more roughly while warming up. Until one evening when the
> car wouldn't start at all. It wouldn't even fire on a single cylinder.
> On examination, the air flow sensor was extremely stiff to depress. When
> I loosened the Control Pressure line (the one from the top of the
> metering head to the CPR), the metering head plunger moved freely again
> and the air flow sensor loosened up (petrol leaked from the loosened
> line unsurprisingly).




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:31:19 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Cleaner

I bought the same stuff. After a week or two it left a purplish-oily-gas
sheen on the car. Nasty.

-Kevin
#4687
(am in no way affiliated with DMC-H; nor have I used their cleaner. Since
that cleaner-faisco I just use hot water and soap, and Black magic on the
stripes, and wax on the fascias.)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Louie G" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Stainless Cleaner


> I don't have any experience with that product, but I picked up two cans of
> Stainless Steel Cleaner/Polish (made by Johnson Wax I believe... comes in
> Blue aresol cans) 

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:42:48 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean costs (beetle sound)

> It's now fully driveable
> and running wonderfully (apart from the exhaust blowing and making it
> sound like a beetle).

I suffered with that sound for over a year-- don't do it! Get those manifold
gaskets replaced. It will not only sound better but ride better.
You'll thank you, your friends will thank you, your spouse will thank you.
Even your lungs will thank you because it is probably inevitable that the
exhaust gets sucked back into the cabin and into your lungs. Get a CO
detector if you insist on driving it that way.

I didn't think it would make such a big difference-- but I am so glad that
my wife nag^H^H^H bothered me about my "exhaust smell" on my clothes after
driving the car.

Kevin
#4687




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:56:51 -0500
From: "Ralph Isenberg" <yugoman50_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Legends of the Road


Did anybody catch the show this evening? Really nice coverage about the 
cars. The announcer even said a D could be taken for a brand new car today, 
it was so ahead of its time :^)



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:52:02 EST
From: DHughes030_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: A disservice to our car

In Sam's Club yesterday, I picked up a very beautifully illustrated book.  
It's title was "Car's:  A Celebration."  Curious, I turned to the 'D" section 
to find the DeLorean.  There were two great pictures surrounded by negative 
captions and balloons.  The author, Quentin Willson, inaccurately described 
every flaw the car had and had not one good thing to say about the car or 
John Z. DeLorean.
I flipped through the book to see what he had to say about other unsuccessful 
cars, the Edsel in particular.  None of them including the edsel got the 
shameful treatment that he gave the DMC.  Does anyone know who this guy is?  
And what burr he has under his saddle with regards to the DMC?
Don    VIN # 6860



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:13:33 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: update on my tight steering problem

hey all,

yesterday i posted about how my steering seems to be tight, then loose, then 
tight, etc through the entire turning radius of the front end.  well today i 
did some investigating and here is what i have found.  

i opened up my steering rack and filled it up with gear oil.  it seemed to be 
pretty low to me, but maybe it wasn't.  it took maybe .4 pints.  i filled it 
up until it was just a bit lower then the fill hole.  i sealed it back up and 
moved the wheel back and forth, then drove the car around town all day.  it 
seemed to get a little bit better, but not comfortable enough.  i took it 
back to my storage garage and lifted the front end up on a jack, and tried 
turning the wheels back and forth with the steering wheel.  to my surprise, 
the resistance came and went with predictable occurance.  i popped the hood 
and opened up the steering and brake access panel, and had my girlfriend turn 
the wheel back and forth as i watched.  i found that when the wheels are in 
the neutral position, the lower U-joint is straight up and down.  as she 
turned it either way, the steering got tough, but as soon as the joint was 
upside down, it was easy again.  as she continued turning, it got difficult, 
and when it was right-side up again, it was easy to move the wheel.  also, i 
could see some gear oil seeping up where the shaft enters the rack.  as she 
turned the wheel, the rack itself seemed to be slightly twisting from stress 
as well.  i think my U-joints are poorly lubricated as well.

what do you experts think the problem is?  the rack or the U-joints? remember 
i just replaced the bushing this weekend (the problem was there last year for 
a bit too).

how do i lube the U-joints, and what do i lube it with?

later,
Andy 


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:12:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure tester

On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, jtrealtywebspannet wrote:

> What were the symptoms that made you think to check the fuel system
> pressures?

Had (well, still have) a hot start problem.

> In many cases the symptoms can tell you what the problem is
> without the need to actually check pressures. In some cases it is
> helpful to use the gauges to confirm the diagnoses but not required.

Fair enough. The primary problem here is that, being fairly new to mucking
on cars, I'm really not sure what to look for.

> The fuel pressure accumulater causes hard hot start problems when it
> is bad. Although other things can also cause this there are things
> that can be done to confirm a bad accumulater without resorting to
> gauges. A bad or missing check valve on the fuel pump might be causing
> your system rest pressure to crash. Replace the fuel filter and cut
> the old one open, if it is full of black chunks the accumulater is
> gone. (An accumulater 2 years old is not immediatly suspect).

> A fuel pump may not be bad if the suction hose is collapsing causing the
> pressure to fall.

Gotcha.

* re-adopts his newbie hat *

What's a suction hose? :)

This is the point (were I on the clueful end of the conversation) where I
would tell me (the guy on the other end) to RTFM. The tricky bit is
finding out just where The Fine Manual lives. Given that I have a /basic/
understanding of how an engine works, and don't mind mucking, what (aside
from the DMC tech manual) should I be Reading? Not necessarily DMC
specific; more general theory (ie, this is how a brake system works, this
is how a cooling system works), what procedures to follow when
encountering certain problems, etc. I can dig up resources with google as
well as anyone, but not everything on the web is true (say it isn't so,
noah!). Finding *trustworth* sources is hard. <meta name="trust"
value="high"> would be nice, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
:)

I always feel like a tard when I need to ask for answers to what I know
are ridiculously simple "I should have known that" kind of questions. I
don't have any problem with learning; I just need to know where the
school is. :)

Thanks as always.

Noah
#2867

Impossible, sir.  It's in Johnson's underwear.




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:36:57 -0000
From: "G Wells" <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?

I believe it was made by Renault and was used in the Renault 30 in a
front wheel drive configuration
Graham
17152
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
To: "DMC News (E-mail)" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: [DML] Who makes the DMC 5-speed?


> I have seen a lot of published information on the DMC Automatic trans,
built by ZF.  Does anyone know who build the Manual gearbox?  and what
other cars it may have been used in (even if it was front engine).
>
> Thanks



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:31:07 -0500
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: wacko speedo?!

Ok get this, I was driving down the highway to Columbus today and out of nowhere my speedo needle started bobing back and forth then lower and lower and then completely died. An now is the weirdest part, If I stopped it would start working again for a while then do the bobbing thing and die completely. When I was in town not going fast it would work fine. Has this hapened to any of you? I think it might be that brownish box on the foot well being goofy beacuse if I bumped it would make the needle do things.

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:12:02 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?

Marc, I have had no trouble getting parts for mine from Renault. The box 
was used in the Renault 25, 30, and various incarnations of the Alpine 
A... series. In my investigations following the discovery of that nasty 
hole in the back end of mine, I found a chap in the west country who 
works on nothing but this gearbox. He offered me an entire new gearbox 
for 150

I have his e-mail address somewhere - mail me off-list. He offers the 
service of mixing and matching ratios, and dropping the final drive. He 
may well know a bit about the auto box too.

Martin
#1458

Marc A. Levy wrote:

> I have seen a lot of published information on the DMC Automatic trans,
> built by ZF.  Does anyone know who build the Manual gearbox?
> and what other cars it may have been used in (even if it was front engine).
>
>Thanks





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:35:00 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Autoglym Resin Polish + Neon Underbody Lights! (was R.E. Stainless Cleaner)

Hi list,

I have never been able to get my stainless steel shiny despite using 
the Mr Sheen that many people in the UK swear by. What happens if 
you wax the stainless? I have seen some great results on my dads car 
paintwork using the Autoglym resin polish but have never had the 
courage to splash it on my D. Has anyone used wax? If so what was it 
like, is it a bugger to get off once it is on etc...

Regards



James RG

P.S. I have just installed a blue Neon under body lighting kit it 
looks seriously cool, on some cars they look naff but on the D you 
can pull it off. (For the purists out there I did not have to drill 
a single hole so it is completely reversible)





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:39:43 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: MY tight steering problem!

You said:
    "i'm thinking it's either the universal joints on
the steering shaft or something else in the front suspension."

Andy, you're absolutely correct! The problem is more than likely that the
lower steering column universal joint (parts man. 5/2/1 #15) is not properly
aligned and making contact with the frame member where  it passes through
the frame. This area is best serviced through the master cylinder access
panel (workshop man. H:05:01 fig. 7).

DMC Joe
DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
www.dmc.tv
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:40:40 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?

You asked:

The manual transmission used in the DeLorean is a Renault 395. Although the
inner workings of the transmission is used in several Renault models like
the 30 and A310 the DeLorean version is exclusive to the DeLorean.

DMC Joe
DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
www.dmc.tv
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:18:02 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]

Martin, My suggestion would be to check the fuel return lines going back to 
the tank. Then if these are ok, then check the primairy pressure regulator in 
the fuel distributor. The primary pressure regulator in the fuel distributor 
may be shimed to tight. Sounds like the CPR may be working ok, be sure to 
check the electrical connections.Something is retaining the restricting 
pressure on the control plunger. There is a small decoupling restriction bore 
that may be stopped up in the fuel distributor. Have you run any fuel cleaner 
thru the car. 
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/

<< On Saturday, we got around to attempting to start #2727 for the first 
 time. Knowing there was something up with the CPR I took it apart. It 
 was completely clean inside. I blew through both ports with the shop 
 air-hose and if there was a blockage, it's gone now! (I could feel air 
 passing through). I also undid those four small flat-head screws and 
 removed and cleaned the components underneath. (two little plates and a 
 funny little cap in between). I then reassembled everything. As soon as 
 the pump got petrol into the CPR, the air flow sensor went really stiff 
 again.
 
 I have no idea how this device works, but if anyone has any 
 hard-and-fast solution for this apparent blockage, please let us know! >>



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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:23:38 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: A disservice to our car

DHughes030_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> In Sam's Club yesterday, I picked up a very beautifully illustrated book.
> It's title was "Car's:  A Celebration."  Curious, I turned to the 'D" section
> to find the DeLorean.  There were two great pictures surrounded by negative
> captions and balloons.  The author, Quentin Willson, inaccurately described
> every flaw the car had and had not one good thing to say about the car or
> John Z. DeLorean.

I have several of Mr. Willson's books, and all slam the Delorean.  Britain's
self-proclaimed automotive expert has hated the DeLorean since day one, and nothing will
change his mind.  If you saw his "The Car is the Star" episode about the DeLorean, he
portrays John Z. DeLorean as an incompetent shyster who only wanted to rip off the
British taxpayers.

In my humble opinion, Mr. Willson is a pig-headed idiot.

I expect the judgment of history to find in my favor.  A hundred years from now, it could
easily be true that the only automobiles from the 1980s left on the roads will be our
DeLoreans.

To be fair, all of Willson's books that I have seen, as well as "The Car is the Star,"
make the DeLorean *look* very attractive.  He complains about DeLorean styling, but each
gleaming silver picture disproves him a hundred times over.

- Mike Substelny
(Come and get me, Quentin Willson!)




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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:37:19 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]

Hi Dave

As stated in my original mail, the CPR in question caused the same 
symptoms in my car. Replacing it fixed the problem. My question really 
related to what this thing does (well, okay, I know what it does, but 
I've little understanding of HOW). And why this apparently spotlessly 
clean unit could cause a massive blockage. I took it apart, cleaned and 
blew it out, but can't see how it actually works!

The fuel filter has been replaced, yes.

Matin

Dave Sontos wrote:

>Martin,
>There is only one section in my book that deals with High Control Pressure,
>and we are "ASSuming that", without the use of pressure gauges. Here it is:
>
>Symptom:
>Cold control pressure high
>Warm control pressure high
>System pressure normal
>Rest pressure normal
>
>Possible cause:
>Restriction in the return line from the Control Pressure Regulator.
>Defective Control Pressure Regulator

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:45:39 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: wacko speedo?!

Casey wrote:

> I was driving down the highway to Columbus today and out of nowhere my speedo needle started bobing back and forth then lower and lower and then completely died. An now is the weirdest part, If I stopped it would start working again for a while then do the bobbing thing and die completely. When I was in town not going fast it would work fine.

Hi Casey.

It looks like you have trouble in Angle Drive City.  It is possible that your angle drive or speedo cable is marginal, or making poor physical contact.  Have you got the lower speedo cable support bracket?  Many DeLorean speedos fail because they lack this part.  See this DML page for info:

http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/speedo.htm

I can't find a picture of the bracket right now.  You really need to determine whether or not you have it before you continue.  Does anyone have a picture of the bracket they could show to Casey?

It sonds like the rotating part of the drive looses physical contact with the cable while you drive straight, only to be pressed back into place when you turn either right or left.  If this is the case, you *might* be able to fix it without buying a new angle drive.

Remove your driver's side front tire.  Loosen the cable from the angle drive.  Lube the angle drive (I think grease or oil are better than WD40 for this, but even WD40 is better then nothing).  Put the cable back on nice and tight, using an extra clamp if it makes you feel better.  Cross your fingers and go for a test drive.

CAUTION!  Be sure to thread the cable to the drive exactly as it was before, especially if you lack the support bracket.  You might want to take a picture.

If you are intimidated by the DeLorean's angle drive / speedo cable system, then consult a friend who is a motorcycle enthusiast.  Many motorcycles use a similar setup.  A friend who rides a Triumph motorcycle mentioned this to me.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 8 years (losing track)




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:00 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean on TV

To All,

I have already received several phone calls since my appearance on Legends
Of The Road last night on ESPN II and would like to add some comments. My
carrier background is in the field of broadcast TV, network operations (NBC,
CBS, ABC, PBS). When the production crew arrived at our facility to video
tape our segment of the show I had serious reservations concerning the
quality of the final product. I decided that I would not publicize my
appearance based on my first impressions.

When the show first aired late last year my thoughts of a low budget non
professional look became a reality. What annoyed me the most is that when
the production crew arrived my son Alan and I were working in our shop, when
I suggested that I change out of my work clothes I was told that the camera
would not see me below the waist. Not so! So there I am on national TV with
my nice green DeLorean sweat shirt and a pair of dirty shabby work shorts.
Very unflattering.

We had also suggested that it might be of interest for video to be included
of a partially disassembled DeLorean in our shop showing the fiberglass
underbody; that was never shot. Now for the good part.

With the exception of the questionable video, audio, and graphic's the show
was pretty dam good. There was lots of good POSITIVE  information discussed
without all of the negative comments concerning the man and his business
ethics. The most important comment was that good DeLoreans sell for $25,000.
I'd like to finish with commenting that Ben Davis did a great job on his
segment of the show.

If enough of you are interested in copy's of the show I'll make them
available at our web store sometime in the near future.

BTW: Thanks to all of you who called or e-mailed me this morning with all of
your very positive comments.

Regards,
DMC Joe
DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
www.dmc.tv
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore

----- Original Message -----
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
To: "DMC" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: [DML] Delorean Sighting on TV


>
> While I was waiting for NBC to show something of the Olympics I came
across
> ESPN2, and want do I see but a Delorean on the TV.  It was on a show
called
> Legends of the Road and was featuring Ben Davis's Delorean.
>







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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:32:51 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: Custon Cd Changer

I keep seeing these posts appear every so often and it makes me wonder.
Why beat up your interior to install a cd changer?  I mean there is at
least 2 very good spots inside the car to install on besides the obvious
trunk.  

I have mine installed in the glove box.  It is a 6 disc Alpine changer
that fits very well inside with only one hole to drill, and that is in
the bottom of the box.  I even still have room for my owners manual.

The other is the storage bin behind the drivers seat.  Granted it is not
as accessible while driving, but if you add a 10-12 disc changer, you
won't be in a hurry to change anyway. (Now I never put mine in there but
have talked to other owners who have, I assume different brands will fit
there).

I went with the glove box for one simple reason -- less to mess with.
All I had to do was drill one small hole in the bottom of the box to
allow the cable to run to the Alpine head unit I have installed.  Plus
the travel distance is only about a foot or so from the box to the
radio.

Not to blast the conversion jobs out there, I Love creative playing with
ones DeLorean, just giving the ones who have not tackled this project
yet some options.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
1981 DeLorean Vin 3461 August 1981 Build (Ours)
http://www.sacketmansion.com/delorean
1988 Jaguar XJS-C V-12 (Mine) http://www.sacketmansion.com/jaguar
2001 PT Cruiser (Hers)
Visit us at http://www.sacketmansion.com


From: Palatinus, Joe [mailto:jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 7:47 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Custon Cd Changer


> I have been meaning to post this for a while.  I have
> uploaded pictures of my custom cd changer in the files
> section under stereos and Joe Palatinus.

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