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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: A disservice to our car
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

2. RE: fuel pressure tester
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

3. Re: Custon Cd Changer - an alternative
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

4. RE: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

5. Re: Custon Cd Changer location
From: "Hank Eskin" <>

6. Re: wacko speedo?!
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

7. Re: re: live the dream add -- have a sense of humor..
From: Bob Brandys <>

8. Re: fuel pressure tester
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

9. Re: wacko speedo?!
From: "Walter Coe" <>

10. Re: update on my tight steering problem
From: "ksgrimsr" <>

11. IHI Turbo's
From: Dick Ryan <>

12. Re: wacko speedo?!
From: "DMC Joe" <>

13. Re: Re: wacko speedo?!
From: Jan van de Wouw <>

14. Should I or Shouldn't I??
From: "dmc812001" <>

15. Delorean on the History Channel
From: "psychopowerrr" <>

16. Interest in Performace Air Filters
From: "Sean Spurlock" <>

17. Just bought my DMC and have 142 questions (long)
From: "stevepeck1" <>

18. Re: Auto Tranny governor fix.. justa few more questions!
From: "Adam Price" <>

19. Re: A disservice to our car
From: Bob Brandys <>

20. Re: A disservice to our car
From: "dmcjohn" <>

21. delorean quality formerly 'live the dream ad'
From: "James LaLonde" <>

22. Re: Auto Tranny governor fix.. justa few more questions:URL
From: "Adam Price" <>

23. Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]
From: "Dave Sontos" <>

24. RE: Custon Cd Changer - an alternative
From: "Willie Mack" <>

25. RE: delorean quality formerly 'live the dream ad'
From: "Jack Stiefel" <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:03:05 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: A disservice to our car

Welcome to the world of Quentin "slap-head" Willson. He's the single 
largest source of misinformation on the DeLorean in the whole world. For 
some reason, he has a chip on his shoulder about the car. The largest 
bug-bear was the UK TV show The Car's The Star, in which not ONE good 
word was given on the car, and a hell of a lot of half-truths and 
downright un-truths were given. Subsequently I've seen TCTS on the 
Edsel, and Quents was very complimentary of its "collectableness" today. 
I spend an inordinate amount of time at shows correcting people's 
"knowledge" of the D, all down to people watching or reading Quentin.

If I ever meet him, I'll hardly be able to resist thumping him.

There's a LOT more about him on my website here:

(see "Mirror Article" and "The Car's the Star")

Interestingly, on other car shows, even Quentin's "colleagues" from 
BBC's Top Gear (Jeremy Clarkson, Tiff Needell) have given the DeLorean 
an approving nod.

DOC UK wrote:

>In Sam's Club yesterday, I picked up a very beautifully illustrated book.  
>It's title was "Car's:  A Celebration."  Curious, I turned to the 'D" section 
>to find the DeLorean.  There were two great pictures surrounded by negative 
>captions and balloons.  The author, Quentin Willson, inaccurately described 
>every flaw the car had and had not one good thing to say about the car or 
>John Z. DeLorean.
>I flipped through the book to see what he had to say about other unsuccessful 
>cars, the Edsel in particular.  None of them including the edsel got the 
>shameful treatment that he gave the DMC.  Does anyone know who this guy is?  
>And what burr he has under his saddle with regards to the DMC?
>Don    VIN # 6860


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:03:36 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: RE: fuel pressure tester

The suction hose is in the fuel tank.  

The school is the DML archives.  While they may not be 100% accurate, it tends to correct itself over time so make sure you read more than just one message on a given topic.

-----Original Message-----
From: Noah []
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] fuel pressure tester

* re-adopts his newbie hat *

What's a suction hose? :)


I always feel like a tard when I need to ask for answers to what I know
are ridiculously simple "I should have known that" kind of questions. I
don't have any problem with learning; I just need to know where the
school is. :)


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:14:33 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: Custon Cd Changer - an alternative

Personally I  intend investing in Houston's DIN bracket, and buying a 
Kenwood CD/MP3 head unit. See here

Being a computer-buff, this means I can write 10cd's worth of music to 
one CDR worth 50p (dunno about everyone else, but CDs that go in my car 
end up scratched beyond playable most of the time.). It means not having 
to keep swapping my favourite CDs from my Xantia (every-day car), and 
not worrying about where to put the CD changer.

Just a thought.



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:17:02 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: RE: Who makes the DMC 5-speed?

Thanks for all the info (from everyone).  The purpose of my question was to try and collect information on this gearbox to either locate or build a custom bell housing for a conversion.  I have spoken to a number of people who have already done other DMC conversions, and it does not seem like the information I need is within the DeLorean community..... SO I wanted to look elsewhere. :)

I guess a better question would be, what other cars use the same transmission bell housing design as the DeLorean. 

-----Original Message-----
From: DMC Joe []
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Who makes the DMC 5-speed?

You asked:

The manual transmission used in the DeLorean is a Renault 395. Although the
inner workings of the transmission is used in several Renault models like
the 30 and A310 the DeLorean version is exclusive to the DeLorean.


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:21:44 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <>
Subject: Re: Custon Cd Changer location

I just want to add my two cents here.  I am not a professional car audio
nut, but I have installed a few CD changers in all of my cars, and have used
this method for all of them.  For the Delorean,  I mounted the CD changer on
top of the plywood electrical panel on the deck behind the drivers seat.  I
simply used two "eye"-bolts, one on each side of the changer screwed into
the edges of plywood panel (but not the deck carpet), and used a rubber
strap with hooks to secure the CD changer to the eye-bolts.  The location is
great since power is easy (two feet to the fuses), and the antenna junction
box for the FM modulator/injector is the service area right below the panel.
What's nice about this is that I can very easily remove the CD changer for
shows and events, and even remove the bolts and all the wiring in a matter
of minutes, and the only evidence of the install is two small holes in the
plywood panel (covered by the carpet).   Yes, the downside is that it is
easy for someone else to easily remove without permission, but I am not
worried about that. I'd rather have it easy to remove, than have a glovebox,
dashboard, or other parts of the car destroyed in a hurry if someone wants
it that bad.



Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:26:37 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: wacko speedo?!

Before you condemn your angle drive remove the front left wheel and 
carefully inspect the plastic dust cover that gets captured between 
the wheel and the hub. If the square hole in the center is worn or the 
disc isn't held tightly between the wheel and hub it will cause the 
speeedo to be erratic. Make sure the square drive cable fully engages 
into the plastic disc i.e. it isn't short or rounded off. If this 
doesn't help you may need the angle drive or the lower drive cable 
could be bad. Lubricate the angle drive and the loweer cable, it may 
get things going again. The plastic "dust cover" is really a 
speedometer drive disc as it connects the speedo cable to the hub and 
wheel assembly.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> Casey wrote:
> > I was driving down the highway to Columbus today and out of 
nowhere my speedo needle started bobing back and forth then lower and 
lower and then completely died. An now is the weirdest part, If I 
stopped it would start working again for a while then do the bobbing 
thing and die completely. When I was in town not going fast it would 
work fine.
> Hi Casey.
> It looks like you have trouble in Angle Drive City.  It is possible 
that your angle drive or speedo cable is marginal, or making poor 
physical contact.  Have you got the lower speedo cable support 
bracket?  Many DeLorean speedos fail because they lack this part.  See 
this DML page for info:
> I can't find a picture of the bracket right now.  You really need to 
determine whether or not you have it before you continue.  Does anyone 
have a picture of the bracket they could show to Casey?
> It sonds like the rotating part of the drive looses physical contact 
with the cable while you drive straight, only to be pressed back into 
place when you turn either right or left.  If this is the case, you 
*might* be able to fix it without buying a new angle drive.
> Remove your driver's side front tire.  Loosen the cable from the 
angle drive.  Lube the angle drive (I think grease or oil are better 
than WD40 for this, but even WD40 is better then nothing).  Put the 
cable back on nice and tight, using an extra clamp if it makes you 
feel better.  Cross your fingers and go for a test drive.
> CAUTION!  Be sure to thread the cable to the drive exactly as it was 
before, especially if you lack the support bracket.  You might want to 
take a picture.
> If you are intimidated by the DeLorean's angle drive / speedo cable 
system, then consult a friend who is a motorcycle enthusiast.  Many 
motorcycles use a similar setup.  A friend who rides a Triumph 
motorcycle mentioned this to me.
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 01280, 8 years (losing track)


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:32:56 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <>
Subject: Re: re: live the dream add -- have a sense of humor..


Your comments about D with over 200K miles is exactly what scared Detroit into getting
rid of him.

He orginally was going to warranty the cars for 25 years!!! Imagine only have to buy 3
cars in your lifetime verses  the 10  cars that Detroit plans for.

DeLorean built a car that planned to use components that lasted that long.
Unfortunately, his suppliers were not always up to the task.  One would hate to think
that some suppliers purposely supplied him with defective parts.  However, with all of
the conflicts of interest that money can create one will always wonder.


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:39:59 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure tester

The suction hose that I am referring to is the hose that connects the 
fuel pump to the baffle in the bottom of the fuel tank. It is very 
easy to kink when installing the fuel pump if it is turned as you 
reassemble. It also can get soft and mushy with age and under high 
flow it can collapse under vacuum. During testing this may occur.
 Getting back to your hard hot start it typically is a bad fuel 
accumulater or a bad or missing check valve on the fuel pump. The test 
to check this by switching 2 plugs will not help you determine if it 
is either the accumulater of check valve as you need both parts 
operating corrrectly to hold up the rest pressure. To test for the 
check valve just clamp off the return line to the fuel tank and either 
watch the pressure or just try to restart hot. To check the 
acccumulater remove the return line and clamp off. Start the fuel pump 
and if fuel comes out the return of the accumulater the diaphgram is 
ruptured. If you do find yourself replacing the fuel filter or the 
accumulater BE CAREFUL WITH THE FUEL LINES. Kinking or bending them 
may require raising the body to replace them!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Noah <sitz_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, jtrealtywebspannet wrote:
> > What were the symptoms that made you think to check the fuel 
> > pressures?
> Had (well, still have) a hot start problem.
> > In many cases the symptoms can tell you what the problem is
> > without the need to actually check pressures. In some cases it is
> > helpful to use the gauges to confirm the diagnoses but not 
> Fair enough. The primary problem here is that, being fairly new to 
> on cars, I'm really not sure what to look for.
> > The fuel pressure accumulater causes hard hot start problems when 


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:53:11 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: Re: wacko speedo?!

My bet is that you have a loose angle drive cap.  Take your wheel off and
see how tight the cap fits.  If you can spin it in place then that is your
problem.  Mine had the same problem.  To fix it I just put a layer of duct
tape around the edges so that it fits tighter in the hub.  A more elegant
way would be to replace the cap, but I know that a NOS one will eventually
fail the same way.  So I consider the duct tape to be a permanent fix. If
you get a new cap then save your old one to put on the passenger side wheel.
It will keep the inside a lot cleaner.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:59:54 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <>
Subject: Re: update on my tight steering problem

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:

> hey all,
> yesterday i posted about how my steering seems to be tight, then 
loose, then 
> tight, etc through the entire turning radius of the front end.  

The last time I had a similar symptom I had a siezed U joint in the 
steering column. To precisely diagnose the problem you may need to 
disconnect the U joint from the steering column spline in the area of 
the wheel well near the firewall. Once the steering column is 
disconnected you can tell if your U joints are OK (and if they are 
not you have half of the work done in replacing).

The tight-loose tendency on my car stemmed from the U joint being 
siezed and the steering column being nearly a straight shot. Since 
the column was pretty much a straight shot it was difficult to tell 
that the U joint was siezed since it's displacement during rotation 
was slight. With it being siezed and having a slight bend, the 
geometry was such that when I turned the wheel it put stresses on the 
linkage (as well as puts pressure on the grommet through the 
firewall) resulting in the tight-loose feel when turning.



Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:28:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <>
Subject: IHI Turbo's

The turbo's used in the "Island" twin turbo kit are
from IHI.  They are, I believe, from the RHB family of
IHI turbo's.  Does anyone (Marc?) no which RHB turbo
is used?

Reason for asking:  IHI has now produced The RHF
series as a "bolt-on" replacement for the RHB series. 
The new RHF's are ball bearing turbos and use much
more modern technology in vane design, etc.  At some
point when needing to rebuild your turbo's, replacemtn
with the new series might be a very desirable
alternative (although I realize that this would be
more expensive).

Dick Ryan

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:15:07 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: wacko speedo?!

You said:
    " speedo needle started bobbing back and forth then lower and
lower and then completely died."

Start by removing the right front wheel and check the plastic cap (workshop
man. J:03:01 fig. 8) at the center of the wheel. Insure that the angle drive
cable (parts man. 5/1/1 #13) coming through the spindle is tightly seated in
the cap. Be sure that the cap is tightly seated in the wheel.

Keep in mind that this problem may indicate an eventual complete failure of
the angle drive which would render the speedometer in-operable.

DeLorean Help

[moderator snip]


Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:33:44 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <>
Subject: Re: Re: wacko speedo?!

Mike Substelny wrote:

> Have you got the lower speedo cable support bracket?
> Many DeLorean speedos fail because they lack this part.
> I can't find a picture of the bracket right now.
> You really need to determine whether or not you have it
> before you continue.  Does anyone have a picture of
> the bracket they could show to Casey?

I put two pictures into the photos section on yahoogroups.
You can find them in the Techie Stuff folder.

These pictures were taken after replacing my angledrive last may;
the cable running through the axle had snapped in the middle,
making replacement my only option.

While replacing the AD I also inslattel the new support bracket,
since the old one had snapped off and added a wheather proofing kit
to keep water and dirt out of the new (OEM) drive.

I went with an OEM-unit since I had no core to send to PJ Grady
AND I neede the drive fast; else I wouldn't have passed inspection.
If I had had more time I'd have installed a hardCore-version from Grady.

Hope the pictures help,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000



Message: 14
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:12:25 -0000
From: "dmc812001" <>
Subject: Should I or Shouldn't I??

Hi All, 
I am new to this group, but i am an avid(rabid??) Delorean fan. I 
purchased an 81 #2801 in August 2001. After some work at PJ Gradys, 
shes now a daily driver and a great compliment to my SLK 320. I have 
some questions regarding modifications. I love the way the car looks, 
but i saw a pic of one in Black that looks wild. I am thinking of 
painting, and updating the car to turn it into the car we all know it 
would have become. New and better stereo (satellite radio?), CD 
changer, performance suspension, headers/exhaust system, intake 
mods,upgraded cooling system, rims and tires (15's in front 16's in 
back, also a 3rd brake light. I also want to get the side marker 
lights to blink when turning, as it would be much safer than it is at 
present. The car is practically mint with only 20,000 original miles 
on her. the interior is almost perfect and the body has no dings or 
dents.It is an automatic, but has an upgraded computer and works 
great. Let me know what all of you think, as i would like to hear 
your thoughts as well as get to know everyone. I look forward to 
hearing from you.
Steve T.
Long Island, NY    P.S. Any NY or Long Island owners,contact me:o)


Message: 15
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:16:34 -0000
From: "psychopowerrr" <>
Subject: Delorean on the History Channel

I don't remember exactly when but about 2 months ago, I turned on the 
TV and went to the History Channel.  To my amazement they were 
talking about John Delorean and the Delorean.  The show mostly talked 
about the car and how it was made and its history and stuff.  Now I 
can't find that show they aired again.  I even tried their web site 
and couldn't find anything on Delorean.  Whats up.....I want to order 
a tape of that show they aired on TV.  I was wondering has anyone 
else seen this?


Message: 16
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:01:11 -0600
From: "Sean Spurlock" <>
Subject: Interest in Performace Air Filters

[Moderator note: Didn't we have an air box discussion just a couple of months ago?]


      I have noticed that no true performace air filter setup is offered for 
the DeLorean. I have seen K&N air filters for sale, but they use the same 
standard airbox and, from my experience, K&N is not a true performance 
filter. I am talking about a filter that will provide incredible air flow, 
proper filtration, and will be sturdy and easy to maintain. I am currently 
talking with companies about putting this together, and I was curious how 
many of you would be interested in purchasing them if I can get this project 
off the ground.

     On another note, I am trying to form a group of DeLorean owners 
interested in aftermarket and performace parts tailored for the DeLorean. 
Aside from the before mentioned air filter, I have been looking into short 
shift kits, dash upgrades, exhaust, and other modifications. This group, 
consisting of me and a few others is called "The DeLorean Performace Group". 
If anyone has any ideas or would like to share thoughts please contact me. 
Also, please contact me if you would be interested in purchasing one of the 
filters after they are built. I am not sure on pricing yet, but I would 
guestimate price to be around $100.00 - $150.00 all together.

Thanks a lot and I look forward to your input!

Sean Spurlock

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:39:25 -0000
From: "stevepeck1" <>
Subject: Just bought my DMC and have 142 questions (long)

Anyone with a bit of time out there?  I would greatly appreciate your 
looking over the list below and advising on any or all subjects.  I 
am an utter newbie, but a good mechanic.  In some cases I don't even 
know what questions to ask...

If you prefer not ro reply to the list, please reply directly to  Thanks so very much for your review of this...

Under hood/front:
Carpet starting to droop in two sections ( what is a good choice for 
contact cement?)
Tool bag has two empty pockets.  There is a jack, ratchet wrench and 
spark plug tool, all rusty.
Original gas cap is changed.  The car uses the non-locking model, 
since there is no hood flap.
The horn is weak sounding.  Can these be repaired with a little 
How can I tell if the recalls have been done?
Ball joint boots are gone.  Should I replace the joints if they show 
no looseness, or is there a re-boot available?
The hood does not have any real pop-up action when the release is 
pulled.  What am I missing here?

Brake rotors need to be turned, or alternatively, is there an 
inexpensive aftermarket rotor available?
In the first MILE that I owned the car, the rear brake cylinder 
froze.  I pried it back open, but it could use some attention.  Is 
there a recommended procedure?  Are special tools required?
The parking brake works, but if the rubber handle cover is used, the 
brake handle will not fully settle to the bottom of travel.  What am 
I missing here?  Is there an adjustment procedure?

Exterior, general:
The right front corner antenna mast is a bit kinked.  I could buy a 
basic replacement, but is there an exact replacement?
Window black rubber seals and "wipe strips…" Who has the best prices 
for replacements?  The Previous Owner has smeared them with rubber 
What type of adhesive sealant holds in the rear quarter windows?  Is 
this a tough job?

The right hand turn signal occasionally goes double-speed, which 
indicates to me that a bulb is intermittent, or it has a bad ground.  
Any experience with this?
What is the proper battery size?
The fuse box has been replaced, I assume because of the original's 
propensity to melt.  
Who has a diagram of the '81 relays?  The PO "rigged" the ones on 
this car.
How can I tell if the relays have been upgraded?  A relay on the far 
right of the car above the battery has been jumpered.  Fuel pump?
Can the rheostat for the dash lights be rebuilt/repaired?
The Cig lighter and clock don't work.  I assume that they are on the 
same circuit.
How can I get my hands on an electrical diagram.
The right-side mirror has no up/down adjustment.  Any likely culprit 
or testing procedure?
Headlights (damp inside)
Defogger switch is trashed.

Gas struts are pretty well hosed.  Who has the best-priced 
My window registers (lifts) are toast.  The motors are good.  Who 
sells replacement gearing?  I can't pay $300 per side for new motors…

I need a shift boot, as it is cut from engaging reverse.
Is there a good way to re-bend slightly warped fiberboard interior 
panels?  The tops of the doors are a bit warped, and the rear panel 
has bent down quite a bit.  Can they be moistened, re-bent and dried 
to restore them??
Are the interior door panel retaining barbs and clips universal-fit?
The headlight switch takes a few presses to convince it to stay 
engaged.  Can this me repaired, or should I just shut up and pay the 
$48 for the switch?  Who else has those switches for less?
Need the elastic cord replaced for the cargo net.
The dash "pod" is showing some age, but might be re-coatable, 
somehow.  Also, the dash has a crack on the right, through the 
speaker, and the glove box door has a chip in the corner.  Who does 
that kind of stuff?
The trim strip around the pod needs replacement or proper 
reattachment.  It's drooping.
This is a weird one:  I need two of the little press-in brass inserts 
that go into the ignition switch cover at the base of the steering 
wheel.  Two are in there, and two are gone…
The ignition switch and door key are different.  The door key is the 
big-head, shorter lighted key, and the ignition is smaller-headed, 
but longer.  Can either the door or ignition locks be disassembled 
and re-worked to operate the car with one key?
Who sells the original key blanks?  Anybody?
Needs new visors
I need all the door seals and gaskets.  Is the profile of any of 
these available at JC Whitney or another (<$300/side) source?
Is there a steering wheel recovering kit available?
The left turn signal does not return after turning.  Is there a fix 
for this?
The interior vinyl strips under the door seal are a bit stretched out.
Please tell me about interior rear view mirror replacement options.  
This one is in bad shape.

Under dash / dash:
A whitish box at the base of the column appears to house the lambda-
counter.  The electrical has been bypassed, I assume from someone's 
having kicked it loose.  Is this a big deal?
There is a buzzer panel up in there that appears un-secured.  How is 
this secured?
The column base "gudgeon" is loose against the firewall.  I have seen 
these somewhere in an improved model…  Is this a difficult fix?

Engine bay:
The car may have once been bumped dead center in the rear, as the 
engine cover hatch takes some oomph to close, and the latch/release 
has been removed.  Also, there is an obvious void of an inch behind 
the bumper skin.  Is the bumper skin easy to remove so that the steel 
portion may be pulled back out?
The timing cover seals leak like pigs.  How tough is this job?
Needs a crankcase vent hose
Need most new labels
Needs a cover for the relays and plugs inside the engine 
compartment.  Who keeps this part?

Is there anything to worry about with an R134a conversion?
The center AC selector pops out if not held in to turn.  Seems 
slightly stiff.  Can the works be lubricated?
Where is the filter/dryer/sight glass?

I am very glad YOU got to the bottom of this page.  Thanks for your 
thoughts and time.


Message: 18
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:25:35 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <>
Subject: Re: Auto Tranny governor fix.. justa few more questions!

Thanks to Mark Hershey for all his help so far. I just have a few more 
questions about the governor.

There is some type of retaining clip? That slides in above the boards, is 
this clip necessary? It doesnt look like it helps at all. I have included a 
pic of it so you know what I am talking about.

Also, the metal sheild that covers the circuit box was sealed on with some 
type of sealant. Do you know what it is, or a useable substitute? It looks 
like common caulk to me, some type of silicon gel I guess.



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:51:01 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <>
Subject: Re: A disservice to our car


Your comments about the DeLorean in the book illustrate the ignorance of the public about
what really happened to the DeLorean.

As you may know, the most common question people ask about  DeLorean is "Is he out of jail

That fact that the public has this impression is a fault of the media not telling the truth
or at least both side of a story.
It is also a problem that the media does not put a much time into closure on a story as they
do in headline grabbing.

Even though the United States claims they have a free press, this does not mean that that
press wants to or even tries to print fair and equivalent stories.

As any reporter will tell you  "We are in the business to sell newspapers (TV viewers,
etc.)"  The truth and fairness has nothing to do with it.

DeLorean and his reputation will never be cleared in the publics mind because telling the
truth does not make money.

Just look at Enron, Global Crossings, Waste Management, Middle West Utilities, Drexel
Burnham Lamber-Junk Bonds, World Com,  Tyco Industries, Resolution Trust Corporation


Message: 20
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:01:06 -0000
From: "dmcjohn" <>
Subject: Re: A disservice to our car

Hey Don,
I have a little piece on my website just about this idiot Quentin, 
check it out at
John Dore (now in Boston!)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DHughes030_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In Sam's Club yesterday, I picked up a very beautifully illustrated 
> book.  It's title was "Car's:  A Celebration."

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:43:08 -0500
From: "James LaLonde" <>
Subject: delorean quality formerly 'live the dream ad'

you put too much faith in the delorean.
the only reason the delorean is still around is because it's cool. it was no
better designed that any other of the cars at the time. the man had some
good ideas, but he failed... miserably. The car would not last forever, as
he intended, without our (the fans) intervention. the stainless panels were
never aligned properly initially. and most EVERY aspect of the car is more
prone to failure than other normal cars, even in 1982, and even compared to
first funs of other older cars.

any car would stand the test of time and last like the delorean, if it was
dream car of all of it's owners.... like the delorean is.

i love the car too, but much was to be sacrificed to own one.... look at new
cars. the t-bird has had no real problems after it's first year of release.
more than half all dmc-12s were brought in on warrenty thier first few
years. you may pawn that off on the poor quality ofthe irish workers or
delorean's limited funding, or the fact that not ownly was it the car's
first run but the company's first car... fine... but the fact remains... it
was poorly constructed.... perhaps designed well and with good intentions...
but it failed in the production. deloreans are of better quality now that
they were 20 years ago.

it's a beautiful work of art... a masterpiece of auto-aesthetics and yes, a
step forward even the mechanical and functional *design* in some areas.
Other areas were thrown together and poorly designed... and almost all parts
of the car were poorly built.
I hope this passes the moderator. it should. i love the car as much as all
of you, don't doubt... i like the challenge of turning a
substandardly-built, but awesome looking car... into a dream machine.

james lalonde 001697


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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:36:29 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <>
Subject: Re: Auto Tranny governor fix.. justa few more questions:URL

Oops, here is the URL for the picture of the clip that is in the Auto 
Governor. Should have been on my previous my post.



Message: 23
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:02:14 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <>
Subject: Re: Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]

The control pressure regulator is a thermostatic pressure regulator. That
means it varies the fuel pressure with changes in engine temperature. There
is a thin metal disk inside the regulator that covers the two fuel ports.
When the diaphragm inside flexes it moves the metal disk open and closed
controlling the fuel flow between the two fuel ports regulating the fuel
pressure on the outlet side. This metal disk is also affected by a change in
intake manifold vacuum, such as when accelerating. An electric heater inside
the CPR helps to open the regulator thereby increasing the control pressure
and leaning out the fuel mixture.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Control Pressure Regulator/Twin Turbos [long]

 My question really related to what this thing does (well, okay, I know what
it does, but
 I've little understanding of HOW). And why this apparently spotlessly
 clean unit could cause a massive blockage. I took it apart, cleaned and
 blew it out, but can't see how it actually works!


Message: 24
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:09:02 -0500
From: "Willie Mack" <>
Subject: RE: Custon Cd Changer - an alternative


I installed that same Kenwood headunit into my D this summer.  I absolutely
love it.  On my lastest CD i have in the car it has 160 songs on it.  I have
to fill the car up with gas a couple of times before i hear the same song
twice.  I did not get the DIN bracket from Houston, instead I took a dremel
tool to the old bracket and just kept grinding the metal down until I could
finally fit the cd/mp3 player into the bracket, which resulted in a nice
tight fit.

Email me if you have you questions, also my website may be able to help you.
Willie Mack
Vin 5043

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gutkowski []
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Custon Cd Changer - an alternative

> Personally I  intend investing in Houston's DIN bracket, and buying a
> Kenwood CD/MP3 head unit. See here

> Being a computer-buff, this means I can write 10cd's worth of music to
> one CDR worth 50p (dunno about everyone else, but CDs that go in my car
> end up scratched beyond playable most of the time.).

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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:14:25 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <>
Subject: RE: delorean quality formerly 'live the dream ad'

[Moderator Note: This thread is generating many responses, like this one,
 discussing cars other than the DeLorean.  So many that I shall soon slam
 the door on it.  These posts have merit, but they only appeal to a small
 audience.  - Mike Substelny, moderator of the week]

Well, I agree that the new T-bird has had no problems, but there is no
way to compare it to a 20+ year old car.  Heck, my wife's PT Cruiser
also has no real problems in it.  I have no proof here, but I assume
that the T-bird is not a completely new car from the ground up.  I am
sure it has been blessed with previous engineering successes.  
Look at the most reliable part of our D, the engine.  It was a proven
engine before being introduced in the DeLorean, and look how little
problems it has caused.  
This thread comes up from time to time and all I keep looking at is a
1994 Dodge Ram I used to own.  It was the 1st year of the new (well old
now) design.  It had over 60 recalls on it since we got it.  Look at it
now only a few years down the road... "The Mayor Of Truckville".

I will never say it is a perfect car, but looking at it's roots, it has
faired better then most upstarts.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
1981 DeLorean Vin 3461 August 1981 Build (Ours)
1988 Jaguar XJS-C V-12 (Mine)
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 (work)
2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4x4 (daily driver)
2001 PT Cruiser (Hers)
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