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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 907
Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:57 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Sound deadening material
From: "ss3042002" <lewisjc2_at_dml_navair.navy.mil>

2. Christian-- throttle stick solution?
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

3. Idle Speed thermistor
From: "dsscid" <shain_at_dml_elecmods.com>

4. Re: Fuel Distributor: Learn what I'm learning!
From: "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

5. Re: Christian-- throttle stick solution?
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

6. Re: Idle Speed thermistor
From: "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

7. Re: 350 in a DeLorean
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>

8. Original tiepins up for auction
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: John Delorean and Reliability.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. Re: Christian-- throttle stick solution?
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

11. Re: need Rivnuts & tool
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: Driver's side door lock
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

13. Re: Just bought my DMC and have 142 questions
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Neon Ground Lights
From: "vrvader" <dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com>

15. WD40 (WAS: throttle stick solution?)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

16. Bumper Paint Question.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

17. Full Throttle Switch
From: "dsscid" <shain_at_dml_elecmods.com>

18. Grease
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

19. Bricklins
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

20. Re: Re: Idle Speed thermistor
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com

21. Re: Neon Ground Lights
From: "Chris Boden" <cboden_at_dml_thegeekgroup.org>

22. Re: Digest Number 906
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

23. Re: Re: need Rivnuts & tool
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>

24. Re: Re: Fuel Distributor: Learn what I'm learning!
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com

25. DML Suscribers
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:23:50 -0000
From: "ss3042002" <lewisjc2_at_dml_navair.navy.mil>
Subject: Sound deadening material

Has anyone installed any of the new products designed to reduce 
cockpit noise. These products are in vogue in the carsound world and 
I am hoping to reduce road and engine noise in the DMC-12. Most are 
thin stick-on sandwich materials that are applied to panels and 
floors. I started looking today and gat threaded over to b-quiet.com 
and saw some interesting installations of various products. I haven't 
a clue if they would work in the Delorean.




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:52:00 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Christian-- throttle stick solution?

Christian-
I might have the same sticky throttle problem. What solved yours?

Kevin
#4687




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:59:21 -0000
From: "dsscid" <shain_at_dml_elecmods.com>
Subject: Idle Speed thermistor

Hello,

Can someone please tell me what the idle speed thermistor does.  I 
know it has some part in the idle speed control.  Could you also list 
what would happen providing the sensor failed.  Thanks.

- Shain




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:47:19 -0000
From: "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Distributor: Learn what I'm learning!

Exactly the point I'm making, Dave...
Make sure you get Genuine parts, and match the numbers. One size, 
does not fit all!

Fortunately, I have made the mistake. I'm hoping It also prevents 
someone else from almost making it, as well.

Thanks for the support.   

Eric


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
>  All you have to do is match up the numbers. All of the variations 
> each have different numbering. Some of the parts can be 
> interchanged but some of the springs and metering elements are
> varied for different flow rates of air and fuel. This is just
> another case of "If it fits it must be OK". NOT!!!!

[moderator snip]



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:45:27 -0000
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Christian-- throttle stick solution?

I would actually like to add my own throttle question about a car I 
was working on this past weekend.  The owner had recently had the 
throttle body cleaned out, and it was working nicely.  We put it back 
on the car, and hooked it up to the throttle spool.  Wasn't quite 
making contact with the full throttle switch, so I adjusted the pedal 
stop bolt in the pedalbox to allow more movement (second car I've 
actually had to do that on), then adjusted the spool accordingly.  
Everything seemed all good, throttle would travel fully, make contact 
with both idle and enrichment microswitches, and the whole 
assembly moved very freely.  Once we got the car running, we tested 
the gas pedal, but it was like somebody was playing a prank on us and 
pinching the line as it returned.  The throttle would simply not fully 
return on its own. The engine usually ended up resting around 2-3k 
RPM.  When manually pushing it back closed, it would be noticably 
stiff.  When disconnecting the link rod from the spool, the throttle 
body again moved freely and perfectly, as did the throttle spool.  But 
when putting the two back together, it just wasn't working again. (and 
the link pins for the rod were lubricated, however were not all that 
"greasy", it was more like WD40)  I managed to temporarily fix it so 
the engine would relax a little better on its own, I did this by 
reducing the length of the connecting rod.  This allows the throttle 
body to pull back on the spool a litte better, but results in lost 
movement of the throttle plates.  It would be nice to regain this 
movment in the throttle so the car can truely go "wide open".  What 
could be causing the hangup?  My only thought would be the runny 
lubrication on the link rod, but with two springs at force attempting 
to pull the throttle back, I dont see why even dry links wouldn't 
work.  Whatever thoughts are out there, just shoot them this way.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota Delorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Christian-
> I might have the same sticky throttle problem. What solved yours?
> 
> Kevin
> #4687




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:55:51 -0000
From: "deloreanfl" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Idle Speed thermistor

Hi Shain,

The thermistor in the Idle Speed circuit activates a circuit in the 
Idle Speed ECU, when the coolant is below 15 degrees C, which tells 
the ECU to open the idle speed regulator a little more - to allow the 
engine to idle faster when it is cold, or warming up.

As Far as what could happen if it were to fail:
I guess (and this is just a guess) it could fail one of two ways:

It could remain in one state, after the engine is warmed, telling the 
ECU to keep the regulator open more and the idle high.

Or it could remain in the other state, never telling the ECU to open 
the regulator more - not letting the engine idle high enough during 
warm up.

I've haven't encountered either problem personally, nor am I sure the 
thermistor would fail in either of these states - but it seems 
reasonable, looking at the schematic. 

Eric
VIN 05557
ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dsscid" <shain_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Can someone please tell me what the idle speed thermistor does.  I 
> know it has some part in the idle speed control.  Could you also 
list 
> what would happen providing the sensor failed.  Thanks.
> 
> - Shain




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:16:32 -0600
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>
Subject: Re: 350 in a DeLorean

If the Corvette 350 is the same as a Chevy 350, then yes, it has been
done. Metal had to be cut and moved, but it was done. Also, the radiator
was replaced with a bigger unit, if I recall, and there were some other
modifications necessary. Unfortunately I can no longer get in touch with
the mechanic who did it by e-mail; I'd have to call him. He lives in
Jacksonville, Florida.

If you're going to sell your working PRV V6, I would recommend calling
the person who posted a D for sale on the dmcnews website who said his
engine had many problems and needed a rebuild. Maybe you could sell to
the guy who buys his car. :)

Just my $0.02 (before tax deductions that is).

TTFN

Farrar Hudkins
--
www.wwno.org
504-280-7000



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:12:56 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Original tiepins up for auction

I have six original DeLorean tiepins that are going on eBay.  If you are
interested in buying one or just interested in the history of these tiepins,
then check out the following eBay items:
Item # 1074400818
Item # 1074475069
Item # 1074541082
Item # 1074549096

The above represents only 4 of the 6.  The other two I'm going to put up
tomorrow in order to stagger the auction ending times.  This makes it more
fun.  There is a 7th one that is going to be part of the raffle in Memphis.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:19:31 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.

Most of what you mentioned are things that I would expect to go 
wrong on any car that is 20 years old. I wouldn't consider them 
DeLorean specific. This would entail both age, and neglect. After 
all, a Viper is a new car, and the DeLorean is an older "classic". 
You probably would have had a close running tally of problems 
with any old car you chose to own. Be it an old Corvette, 
Mustang, Jaguar, or even Brittish classics such as Lotus, 
Jaguar, Triumph, etc...

It's not usual for a car owner to "move up" to another class/type 
of car. You needs and wants change. Even I consider to have 
moved up to a DeLorean. But it is of course a car that needs a 
certain amount of 'attention' untill it has finally been bought up to 
par. These are things that you probably would not see with a 
newer car. And if this is something that you really don't want to 
have, then an older car is not right for you. There's nothing wrong 
with that, it's just a personal choice.

Below though are two quotes from you posting:

<SNIP>
> I've since upgraded to a Viper and don't even try to keep the
> DeLorean running. 
<SNIP>
> I've heard people claim that the DeLorean was a
> very reliable car since the first time this thread came up but...I
> just don't see it.

Rather than any type of cheap shot I could say with this, I do ask 
one request. If you no longer want to keep the DeLorean, then 
please sell it. There is someone out there that will enjoy the car. 
For some people like myself, half the fun owning a classic car 
isn't just driving and showing it off. It's working on it. Locking the 
car up to "get even" with it by letting it rot will not accomplish 
anything. I hate to see that with any car be it a DeLorean, 
Corvette, or otherwise. Personally, I honestly am sorry to hear 
that you've had such a disappointing expeirence with the 
DeLorean. It sucks I know to have a car that you really want, and 
then it just seems to fall apart. There was once a time when I 
thought about getting rid of my car. I too had what seemed to be 
an endless amount of problems. As soon as I fixed one thing, 
two more broke. But I decided to stick it out. I'm glad I did! 6585 
will always be the "DeLorean from hell". But she's come along 
quite aways from there. Believe me, I know exactly what it's like 
to want to give up on the car. But it is worth it in the end.

No matter what you choose, best of luck to you in the future!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:26:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Christian-- throttle stick solution?

I've done a few things to "fix" my sticky throttle. It still sticks a
little bit, but not as bad as before. What I've done has been pretty easy
to do:

1. Douse the throttle spool with WD40. It works, but not for too long. If
you're looking for instant satisfaction, go for it.

2. To fix this a little bit better, take the throttle spool off and grease
everything up pretty good (kudos for Dave Swingle for the tip).

3. Adjust the arm if you need to. Make sure that when the throttle spool
is all the way back that the arm is being pulled snug. I had to do one
revolution of the rod.

4. If that still doesn't do it, take off the throttle tubes at the back of
the engine and spray the throttle valves with intake manifold cleaner
(kudos to John Hervey for the tip).

Also make sure that your air sensor plate thingy is clean. Just take off
the airbox and use some paper towel to clean it off. Like I said, I'm
still having some problems. I think the real trick is to take apart the
throttle body a bit and grease where the arm opens and closes the
butterfly valves.

-Christian

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Kevin Creason wrote:

> Christian-
> I might have the same sticky throttle problem. What solved yours?
>
> Kevin
> #4687



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:34:53 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: need Rivnuts & tool

In a message dated 2/14/02 9:28:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Whalt_at_dml_att.net 
writes:



> I need a bunch of Rivnuts and an installation tool.  The DeLorean vendors
> don't sell these that I am aware.  Can anyone suggest where to buy a kit?  I
> understand they can cost $300 to $400 for the whole shebang, but I really
> only need to do the size that is used in the trunk.
> 
> 



I've seen one in a refrigeration parts catalog.  Refrigeration Hardware 
Supply Corp. The catalog I've got is a few years old, but the tool and a bag 
of 100 rivnuts was under $150. I've never bought from these people, but I 
assume they would either sell direct to you, or can advise what resellers 
they sell to.  Their phone is listed as 800-423-2446 or 800-833-3515. For 
those who don't know, a Rivnut is a trademarked fastener that allows you to 
install a removable machine screw in sheet metal (or fiberglass, like the 
DeLorean GRP,) where you otherwise couldn't. Looks kind of like a big pop 
rivet with a threaded hole in the center.

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group
11174


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:32:13 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Driver's side door lock

There is a simple fix for this problem, simply completely remove the front
lock rod (parts man. #43). In some cars there is a very narrow adjustment
tolerance that will allow both latch mechanisms to operate simultaneously.
The door lock system will work perfectly with just one rod. As long as the
rear latch is locked there is no way to open the door without unlocking the
door. I have used this procedure for the past 17 years with no ill effects.

DMC Joe
DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
www.dmc.tv
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Goodwin" <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: [DML] Driver's side door lock


> I've got a problem. My passenger door lock sticks when I try to unlock the
> door. It happens most often when I lock and unlock the door from the
outside
> with the key. The problem lies in the front right door lock. When I go to
> unlock the door, the lock mechanism sticks a little before releasing.
> Sometimes it will let go, but most often it will not. I have already
> replaced the RH front lock mechanism and the RH door lock rod.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has had this problem before and if someone has a
> possible solution. I'm hoping to fix it for good and never have to get
into
> that door again.
>





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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:50:14 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Just bought my DMC and have 142 questions

[Moderator Note: For the sake of completeness, I'll allow shameless self-promotion in this thread.  Feel free to add others, but only because it fits the thread.  - Mike Substelny]


What about me? DMC Joe

Keep in mind that we have the largest commercial web site in the world with
over 50 links to other websites that provide DeLorean owners with quality
information with a special section devoted to new owners.

General Information web site: www.dmc.tv

Parts & Information Web Store:
http://shopping.oraclesmallbusiness.com/dsvstore


Technical Assistance: DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
Information: Delorean_at_dml_att.net
DMC Joe: dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net
Web Store & Tech Information dsvstore_at_dml_att.net



----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Just bought my DMC and have 142 questions (even longer)


> Hi Steve - work's quiet so I'll have a go....
>
> Firstly, I've not answered anything to which the answer is "I don't
> know". Secondly I have also not answered anything where you've asked
> "where can I get..." because the answer's always the same: Any of the
> parts vendors. The best websites (IMO) are
>
> www.delorean.com (DMC Houston)
> www.pjgrady.com
> www.specialtauto.com
> www.delorean-parts.com
>
> There are some exceptions which I have answered, but they all refer to
> "us over here" having different sources.
>



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:03:41 -0000
From: "vrvader" <dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com>
Subject: Re: Neon Ground Lights

<snip>

To accomplish all of this, we had to invent and design all of the 
computer controlls, the software, the protocols, schematics, 
everything. I would be happy to supply you with everything you need 
as far as schematics and specifications for all of our research. The 
only provision is you cannot use it for commercial purposes, etc.

<snip>
Sounds interesting, do you have a website or phots available (even a 
movie) to see the effect?

derric




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:57:57 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: WD40 (WAS: throttle stick solution?)

WD40 is not a lubricant!  It is a "Water Displacer" (WD).  I cant figure out why everyone uses this stuff as a lubricant...


-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Williams [mailto:delorean_at_dml_framezero.com]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:26 AM
To: Dmc /dml
Subject: Re: [DML] Christian-- throttle stick solution?


<SNIP>

1. Douse the throttle spool with WD40. It works, but not for too long. If
you're looking for instant satisfaction, go for it.
<SNIP>



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:05:18 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Bumper Paint Question.

From time to time, the topic of customization pops up here on 
the list. I've never really though about radicly modifying the 
outside of my car, except for one thing. I'd like to paint the word 
"De Lorean" on my rear bumper. To be exact, I'd like to paint it 
kelly green, or a simular color. So my question here is if anyone 
has any ideas or tips? The stainless letters are nice, but just not 
what I'm looking for...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:37:58 -0000
From: "dsscid" <shain_at_dml_elecmods.com>
Subject: Full Throttle Switch

Hi Everyone,

My full throttle switch seems to not want to work anymore and i need 
a replacement.  I was checking out prices on DMC Houston, and found 
out that the part #102748.  and costs $144.66.  Is this right?  If so 
does someone have a a used one i would be able to purchase,  it just 
seems higher then a couple dollar switch would cost.

- Shain
#10140




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:10:48 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Grease

In the electronics world there are some interesting compounds, among
these there is a very special silicone grease.  Actually this grease is
offered as a heat-sink compound for mounting transistors but it's also
the very best lubricant of it's type I've yet encountered.  By General
Cement, GC number is 10-8101 (formerly 8101S) available at electronics
parts houses.  There are two types of heat-sink compound, this one is
sort of clear looking, the other one, which is used most often, is a
white pasty looking stuff, no lubricating qualities, don't get that one.

Where this would apply is anywhere regular grease just doesn't seem to
work.  I first got onto it while rebuilding a Corvair turbo, the carbon
seal just wouldn't go into place, in desperation I tried some of this
and it slipped right in.  Since then, much like WD-40, there have been
many places to use this grease.  I do a lot of ink-jet printer repair,
particularly HPs, they sometimes make so much gear noise and racket you
think they need to be junked...not so, a little of this magic grease on
the bar and it quiets down and works like new.

The throttle spool discussion started this but anywhere you think you
have a lubrication problem, something sticking, something that just
doesn't go together right, try this magic grease.  I guarantee you're
gonna love it and wonder how you got by so long without it.

Les




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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:42:11 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Bricklins

[Moderator Note: Don't bother to respond on the DML.  I won't approve it.  - Mike Substelny]

Much to my delight I find that some of you own both the Bricklin and the
DMC12.  I'm currently on a quest to add a B to my Ds.  Give me a shot
off list if you are one of the dual owners.

Thanks, Les




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:20:44 -0500 (EST)
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com
Subject: Re: Re: Idle Speed thermistor

Eric,

On ym car it idles perfectly until my car gets really warmed after a good drive.  The my idle seems to be elevated a bit (400rpm),  and maintains that right on.  I have cleaned everything, replaced alot, and this was my last idea.  Let me give it try and see if it works.
Thank you.

- Shain
#10140

----- In Response To -----

> Hi Shain,

> The thermistor in the Idle Speed circuit activates a circuit in the 
> Idle Speed ECU, when the coolant is below 15 degrees C, which tells 
> the ECU to open the idle speed regulator a little more - to allow the 
> engine to idle faster when it is cold, or warming up.

[moderator snip]



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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:28:05 -0500
From: "Chris Boden" <cboden_at_dml_thegeekgroup.org>
Subject: Re: Neon Ground Lights

[Moderator Note: Posted because it responds to a question asked by a subscriber.  End of thread.  - Mike Substelny]

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "vrvader" <dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Date:  Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:03:41 -0000

><snip>
>
>To accomplish all of this, we had to invent and design all of the 
>computer controlls, the software, the protocols, schematics, 
>everything. I would be happy to supply you with everything you need 
>as far as schematics and specifications for all of our research. The 
>only provision is you cannot use it for commercial purposes, etc.
>
><snip>
>Sounds interesting, do you have a website or phots available (even a 
>movie) to see the effect?
>

www.thegeekgroup.org :)

Specifically http://www.thegeekgroup.org/Flash/projects/Geek3/Geek3main.htm is the page for the Geek-3 project. There's nothing specific about the new running lights yet becuase I haven't gotten to shooting the pics yet, lol We've been busy BUILDING it and not shooting it :) We brought on 2 new sponsors just for this project (Agilent donated 2000 of those LEDs!). We're starting with Geek-3, and then doing Geek-0, and someday, Geek-12 (a DeLorean as soon as we can find a benefactor to donate an old one....maybe that guy who upgraded to a Viper ;) ).

I'll take some time this weekend and shoot some pics and code the page to give you some specific info on the LED systems. I'll post the protocol and everything :)


Wishin we had a DMC VIN to insert here....
Chris Boden





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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:35:33 -0500
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 906

re: Robert Hook and his list of failures

Since there are so many things wrong with Deloreans according to your list,
and you own a Viper, I have a proposition. Assuming your Delorean is
completely assembled, but not running due to maintenence, or lack of, let me
take it off your hands for $ 2,500.00 USA $, sight unseen, where is, as is,
and get rid of this source of your discontentment.

Marv
had 2, sold 2, looking for another one.

.
Marvin Stein
Printed Drinkware Company
924 Dundas Street
London, Ontario, Canada, N5W 3A1
tel: 519 - 434 - 1666
fax: 519 - 434 - 7071
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com
web: printeddrinkware.com

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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:19:42 -0500
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>
Subject: Re: Re: need Rivnuts & tool

If you are looking for hobbyist-grade stuff, try J.C. Whitney or Harbor 
Freight. They both have inexpensive rivnut/pop-rivet
combination tools that are quite inexpensive.

--pete lucas
   VIN #06703


On Friday, February 15, 2002, at 05:34  AM, deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/14/02 9:28:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> Whalt_at_dml_att.net
> writes:
>
>
>
>> I need a bunch of Rivnuts and an installation tool.  The DeLorean 
>> vendors
>> don't sell these that I am aware.  Can anyone suggest where to buy a 
>> kit?  I
>> understand they can cost $300 to $400 for the whole shebang, but I 
>> really
>> only need to do the size that is used in the trunk.
>>
>>




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:29:20 -0500 (EST)
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com
Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Distributor: Learn what I'm learning!

Hello,

I've become a little bit of an expert on this subject.  Since i have converted my faulty distrubutor on my DeLorean with a slighty enchased porshe model.  I was lucky enough to have a porshe racing team assist me with proting mine over.  I aslo had to change some (alot) of small things around.  New preassure regulator, vacumm hose routing for it, and numerous adjustments to get it running perfectly.  If your just an individual with some knowledge i wouldn't even try it.  You may get it going but not correctly.  And could waste upwards of $2000 in the process onn wrong parts.  In the end you get the same results as with the DMC one, looks the same and everything.  

- Shain
#10140

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 All you have to do is match up the numbers. All of the variations 
each have different numbering. Some of the parts can be interchanged 
but some of the springs and metering elements are varied for different 
flow rates of air and fuel. This is just another case of "If it fits 
it must be OK". NOT!!!! If you get your parts from a Delorean vender 
even though you may pay a little more you only buy 1 and it is the 
correct one! It is rare that you would need a metering unit anyway 
unless of course you don't have the right one.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:00:23 -0000
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: DML Suscribers

Anyone else here notice how the number of DML suscribers has jumped 
considerably this past week?  Over 30 new people!!!  Did somthing 
happen that I'm not aware of that is increasing the popularity of the 
car these past few days?  Perhaps one of the recent suscribers could 
say what brought them to this group.  I think it would be interesting 
to hear the opinions of recent suscribers about this list. Then 
again, I suppose it could just be coincidence and I've already given 
it too much thought.  But hey, you never know.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960




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