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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 910
Date: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:20 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: What happened to one of the BTTF DeLoreans
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

2. Re: Re: Fuel Distributor: Learn what I'm learning!
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Re: Idle Speed thermistor
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Bumper Paint Question.
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

5. RE: New Speaker Install...Save original car
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

6. DMC font (WAS Re: Bumper Paint Question)
From: "Brian Henderlong" <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

7. Re: Bumper Paint Question.
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

8. RE: DML Suscribers
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Replacement DMC Housont Radio Console Woes
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

10. DeLorean FOR SALE
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

12. Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

13. Re: Picture of DIN Bracket
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. fixing high throttle-- comments?
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

15. Antenna Wires
From: "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_nupoint.net>

16. Strange DeLorean Sighting
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

17. Hello to all..Door question.
From: "miami5606" <miami5606_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Re: Replacement DMC Housont Radio Console Woes
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

19. RE: Strange DeLorean Sighting
From: "Michael Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

20. Re: Mounting a DIN radio (Was: Re: Picture of DIN Bracket)
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

21. Can you tell where its been??
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

22. DeLorean Car Show for those new on the list + Updates
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

24. Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

25. Re: What happened to one of the BTTF DeLoreans
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:24:59 -0500
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: What happened to one of the BTTF DeLoreans

What is the status of this car?  I know that while Back to the Future movies
have destroyed some of our cars, overall it has really saved our automobile.
If it weren't for that film it would not have the value nor the mystique.

foxmul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Williams" <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:00 AM
Subject: [DML] What happened to one of the BTTF DeLoreans


> I met this guy on another message board. Try not to cringe.
>
> http://www.samnet.net/alfaguy/timemachine/
>
> http://www.samnet.net/alfaguy/timemachine/time_machine_pics.htm
>
> -Christian



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:33:49 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Distributor: Learn what I'm learning!

Rustproof, The fuel distributor it's self wouldn't cause a higher idle, but 
if the o ring seal under it is missing or deteriorated, that would affect the 
vacuum. The # for the Delorean fuel distributor is 0 438 100 109. Volvo's 
will work in most cases, but they to be pressure tested and flow tested for 
accuracy.   I have listed some of the Volvo's and Porsches on my web site.
John Hervey
 http://www.specialtauto.com/fuel-dist.shtml



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:35:42 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Idle Speed thermistor

Shain, Eric and group, The thermistor starts off at about 10,000 ohms cold. 
It's 41Degrees this morning, so in my storage containers, that was the start. 
If you just hold it in you hand while taking a reading, the ohmage will drop. 
Be sure to use a good digital VOM, some of the older and cheaper analog 
meters may load the circuit to much. Measure right across the terminals.
John
   http://www.specialtauto.com/



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:04:34 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Bumper Paint Question.

Robert,

     I do know that Rob Grady is working on different colored letters that 
will go in the rear bumper.  They aren't going to be SS, but another kind of 
metal that will be able to have different colors on them.  He did mention a 
green so he could use it on his green car.  Before you go ahead and paint the 
letters, I would give him a call and see when he expects those to be ready.

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:29:18 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: New Speaker Install...Save original car

That sounds like the slots where the cargo net hooks mount to.

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Coe [mailto:Whalt_at_dml_att.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:36 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] New Speaker Install...Save original car


> On the topic of putting speakers in the rear panel & sound
> deadening material, can anyone say what the four slots are
> for that are in the panel directly under the rear window?
[mod snip]
>Walt    Tampa, FL



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:54:42 -0500
From: "Brian Henderlong" <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: DMC font (WAS Re: Bumper Paint Question)

Walt (and list),

You can download the DMC font from several places on the web, notably:

http://www.midstatedmc.com/download/
http://www.delorean.info/files.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/joehr/dmcfonts.html

Years ago when I first joined the DML, a company called AXA Creative was
selling the DMC font, and I bought a copy... but I just checked, and I can't
find their information anywhere.

Good luck,
- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm


----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Bumper Paint Question.


> Awhile back I saw someone selling a True-Type font of the DeLorean font.
I
> would like to get a copy of this if anyone remembers who sells it.
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:10:56 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Bumper Paint Question.

I've already had 4 people e-mail me copies of the font!  Ack!  I also found
two versions right away by doing a search on the net.

Thanks anyway.  See you in Memphis?

Walt

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:04:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: DML Suscribers

There is an intersting corollary to the increase in
the number of subscribers.  Check back issues of
Hemmings (back 18-24 months) under "D" cars for sale
and then check a current Hemmings.  You'll find that
the number of listings now are less than 1/4 of what
they were a few months ago.  

I don't know for sure what this means, but I suspect
there has been a significant change in ownership and
the influx of new owners, in turn, has caused the DML
membership to rise.

Dick Ryan


[moderator snip]

> > Anyone else here notice how the number of DML
> suscribers has
> > jumped considerably this past week?  Over 30 new
> people!!!
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:20:00 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Replacement DMC Housont Radio Console Woes

(Please go to this web page pictures to ref. the topic below:
http://24.46.235.195:81/images/temp/)
Below (http://24.46.235.195:81/images/temp/) is a picture of my original OEM
console with the new DIN cut replacement console from DMC Houston on the
right. My question is, When I install the new DMC console, it does not have
a black finish like the original. I originally realized this problem when I
bought the console, but DMC Houston assured me that the vents, and radio
cover all surface areas. This is not true.
If you see below, the red arrows show areas on the ORIGINAL console that are
visable to the naked eye (even when the center console is on the unit) and
those SAME areas on the replacement one now look like silver sheet metal.
What is the correct thing to do here? I bought this $150 replacement so that
the car looks unmodified. If I use this unit, IT WILL STAND OUT.
Should I spray paint it black? Will that still look good when done? What
have other people done? What does DMC Houston recommend to other buyers?
Kevin Abato




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:26:04 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: DeLorean FOR SALE

This is a Nov '81 build VIN 07046 going up for sale in Tampa, Florida by the
original owner JT Todd.  It has a manual transmission, gray interior & 19K
miles with original window sticker.  The owner is a friend of the original
dealer in town and test drove all the cars that were in inventory (about 10
of them, imagine!) and liked this one best, so he bought it.  It has had
only one mechanic ever work on the car, and this mechanic was originally
employed by the dealer.

Condition:  Small ding in passenger door & left front fender -- things that
can be easily fixed by someone skilled in paintless ding repair.  Dash has
no cracks, but binnacle is cracked.  Fascias are faded, leather seats are
dry & cracked.  Headliner has been replaced.  Vehicle is currently not
running due to a fuel system problem which is currently being looked at by
local DML members.  Asking price has not been determined, but a reasonable
offer will not be refused.  Seller is highly motivated as he has only two
parking spaces and recently bought a 3rd car.  As in buying real estate, the
location of a car can be as much a consideration to a buyer as the price &
condition, so if you are a buyer on this end of the world (especially if you
are not too far away,) this is worth looking at.

If anyone is interested e-mail me privately at whalt(at)att.net

Thanks,
Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:21:16 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.

Your litany sounds familiar. But I didn't buy this car with the intent of 
treating it like a turn key driver. As I became more familiar with it I 
realized that Rube Goldberg must have been on the engineering staff. The only 
thing I can think of as to why they did certain things is because they were 
desperate, out of time, out of money, and maybe had no other choice.

Anyway, I consider my Delorean a kit car that comes 70% assembled from the 
factory, with the remaining 30%  to be done by you the owner. But the catch 
is the factory doesn't tell you what the remaining 30% is before you buy in. 

I don't intend to keep it stock. Stock is synonomous with inferior in too 
many areas of this car. I love to tinker and this is a great kit car to 
tinker with. It gets better with every change I make, and if it doesn't then 
it's no worse off then what Dunmurry gave us, and I simply roll back to oem.

I worry that maybe if I keep having fun with it, and making changes, that 
I'll eventually end up loosing money on this one when it comes time to cash 
out. I've made a habit out of making money on all of my special interest cars 
over the past 10 years or so. I think the DMC may be the exception. But it's 
been a concious choice.... the cost of fun and having a good time..

Jim 





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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:23:20 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.

In a message dated 2/14/02 9:34:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rob_hook_at_dml_cavtel.net writes:

<< The coils never could sustain spark to the car's redline >>

What specifically does anyone know about the stock ignition not 
sustaining spark to redline????
I cannot get over 5200. Thought it was fuel delivery but now I know thats not 
the case.
Whats the deal?
Jim 6147



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:30:40 -0000
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Picture of DIN Bracket

When I put in my Pioneer cd player, it came with a mounting cage
thingy that you put in the din-size hole & bend some tabs to hold
it in place.  You then slide the radio into the mounting cage & it
snaps in place.

Feel free to email me if you have any more questions about
installing an aftermarket radio.

theshovel1224(at)yahoo.com

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> My wife just got me a new mounting DIN from DMC Houston for
Christmas (She
> is sooo good to me!)
> 
> Anyway...now that i have my new speakers in, I will be mounting a
radio in a
> few weeks.  From what i can tell, there is nothing to really hold an
> aftermarket radio in place except that same screw in the back that
you
> mention.

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:51:45 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: fixing high throttle-- comments?

I spent good part of the day playing with my car. It was a good day. :)

Seriously, I've made a little headway on my high throttle issue, which is
good, because it seemed to be getting worse (higher). Or it just could have
been my imagination.

I spent quite a bit of time checking out the throttle microswitch to that
activates the ECU by supplying ground. I thought it was bad, but it turned
out to be bad alligator testclip for my meter. Bad 'gator, bad, bad. (I must
be feeling a little rummy, sorry).

I also disassembled the throttle hub unit (I forgot what it is called and I
already put away my books); I cleaned out 20 years of dirt and re-lubed it
up good with white lithium stuff. That may have helped some-- it certainly
couldn't hurt.

I also adjusted the stop screws that hit the micro-switch and m/s frame. My
idle is now down to about 950-1050 when running hot. That is much better,
but still too high compared to the 725-825 normal range. The bottom throttle
stop screw pretty far out; it has a little bit of threads showing on the
underside. What is the purpose of having this lower screw? Isn't the tang on
the throttle cable hub do the same thing?
Q: BTW, is the tang suppossed to ride on the stop post?
I can't seem to get mine to stop flush on the post everytime. Maybe I need
to back out both stop screws and slowly move the bottom screw in until it
meets with the tang-stop and then make the m/s screw do his job. That sounds
logical. I think I'll try that but I'd like someone to answer that question
above.






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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:28:53 -0800
From: "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_nupoint.net>
Subject: Antenna Wires

    Hello all. 
           I have a quick and potentially dumb question for some of you. What are the 
3 wires ( yellow, white, brown ) that go to the power antenna? Reason I ask is that
I'm putting an aftermarket antenna in and I can't seem to get it to go up or down. It
has the yellow, brown and white wires on it also but they go to a relay and change
to red, blue and black when they come back out. The red is supposed to be power, 
black is ground, don't know about the blue yet. If someone could help me I would 
appreciate it. 
                                    Thanks in advance.................Jason #5903 

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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:35:39 -0500
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Strange DeLorean Sighting



I was driving down Interstate 77 in North Carolina today, when I passed a
Cadillac.  At first I didn't think anything about it, until I noticed on the
truck was what looked like a dealer stamp that said 'by DeLorean'.
I am a little unsure what to make of this.  Does John DeLorean have a car
dealership?

Thanks
   Willie




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:54:24 -0000
From: "miami5606" <miami5606_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Hello to all..Door question.

Seems like my door needs a little extra helping hand to open off the 
latches when I close it from the inside it seems it hits hard before 
closing is there an adjustment to this.
I have changed all struts.
recently.

Thanks Hugo




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:38:20 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Replacement DMC Housont Radio Console Woes

Probably easier than painting would be to just use exterior trim black-out
tape.  It is sold in auto parts stores along side the pin striping stuff.
If you're feeling really cheap, just use electrical tape.  Everything
pressing on the panel will probably hold it in place.

Walt




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:45:22 -0500
From: "Michael Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: RE: Strange DeLorean Sighting

Not John DeLorean, himself . . .but there is a family connection. Check
out http://www.deloreancadillac.com/ 

MICHAEL C. BABB

-----Original Message-----
From: Willie Mack [mailto:wmack_at_dml_vt.edu] 

> I was driving down Interstate 77 in North Carolina today, when
> I passed a Cadillac.  At first I didn't think anything about it,
> until I noticed on the truck was what looked like a dealer stamp
> that said 'by DeLorean'.
> I am a little unsure what to make of this.  Does John DeLorean
> have a car dealership?






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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:46:33 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Mounting a DIN radio (Was: Re: Picture of DIN Bracket)

On 17-02-2002 Walter wrote:

>Kevin wrote:
>> From what i can tell, there is nothing to really hold an
>> aftermarket radio in place except that same screw in the back that you
>> mention.
> When I installed my DIN radio, I drilled two holes on either side of the OEM
> bracket (for a total of 4 holes).  These holes corresponded to mounting
> points on the radio.  There was exactly 1" gap on either side, so I made
> spacers using sections of 1/4" galvanized water pipe.  It worked great.  If
> I were doing it again, I would do it the same way except I would have bought
> a new DIN bracket instead of convert my OEM.  With the new radio being held
> in place using a total of 4 points, the strap on the rear isn't necessary.

When I did mine I drilled a couple of holes too, only I made the so the wer
just UNDER the new radio. The I took a bit of threaded stock (M6) and put
that in from side to side. Now my radio lies on this bar at the rear and is
supported in front in the bracket. Big advantage is that I can remove my
radio through the slot in front and can reach the wiring for the radio very
easily. With Walters' option I think you have to remove the concole.
If I were to do the conversion again, I'd do it the same way, only I'd use a
dremel now, instead of the pliers and nibbler I used now...

Good Luck,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:34:36 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Can you tell where its been??

Can you tell a cars history by what you find in it??? That's what I'm starting to ask myself..

Since July when I started restoring #6463 I have found wedged here and there and under the carpets, the following:-

20 pence In Irish Punt
25 cents US Dollar
1 Canadian Dollar
20 pence UK Sterling
5 Greek Drachma
1 French Franc

Now either this car has been about or the owners have, and have holes in their pockets.

Other Items have included:-

A Ladies skirt in with the jack!!!!!!
2 Nicotine patches
and a very old Kentucky fried chicken wrapper.....

I wonder what will be next????

Paul
#6463 


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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:47:37 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show for those new on the list + Updates

Hi
I wasn't going to post any more information on the car show in Memphis other 
than stats but in reviewing Jims e-mail that we have had a lot of new members 
lately, I thought maybe I should post at least this one more time for those 
that do not Know about the show.  In addition there have been additions and 
changes on the web page. Check out Friday events at the bottom.  Rick 
Jeffries has really gotten into DeLoreans.

The web page is <A HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">deloreancarshow.com</A>

This show is the third one I have sponsored and promises to be the biggest by 
far.
It is a four day event with most of the activities happening in and around 
Memphis/Graceland with a side trip to the Hollywood Casino.  

There will be plenty of time for socializing and plenty of cars, vendors, 
entertainment, (too much food) and a lot of fun driving.

The show is June 13-16 and there is still room available but its going fast 
and is expected to sell out for Saturday night and Sunday although at this 
time there is still room available.   

Hotel rooms are available at the Raddison 1-800-333-3333 and all rooms are 
$89 first come first serve.

I am working on and am reasonable sure that the D-REX will be joining us at 
Memphis.  This is an awesome machine and it attracts a lot of attention.

John DeLorean and his Daughter are planning on attending along with George 
Crane (one of the original employees at the factory in Ireland).  There is 
entertainment and a lot more.  

Come join in the fun.
you can register by downloading the registration page at the above web site.

Availability on a first come first serve basis.

Free T-shirt per registered person and free pin per registration. If 
registered before the deadline.

I like cars as much as all of you do so as I did in the past I have invited a 
few non DeLoreans to participate.  

I do not have any Bricklin or Lotus people yet confirmed so if you are out 
there please let me know if you can attend. 

The local 55-58 T-Bird Club will be dropping by along with a few other 
specialty cars I think you all will enjoy.

Again thanks for your support and Hope to see youin Memphis.

A very Tired 


Ken

thanks


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 07:36:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.

--- jwit6_at_dml_cs.com wrote:
> 
> Anyway, I consider my Delorean a kit car that comes
> 70% assembled from the 
> factory, with the remaining 30%  to be done by you
> the owner. But the catch 
> is the factory doesn't tell you what the remaining
> 30% is before you buy in. 
- - - - - - - - - -

I can't let Jim's comments pass without relating this
story.  

I bought my first D new in 1982 after following John's
saga in auto mags since the late 70's.  I was 50 years
old and this was my first real toy!.  I was sinfully
proud of  this new symbol of having arrived in life.

The first weekend I took it out for a drive and all
went well.  When I returned home I parked it in the
driveway and began to clean it.  Hell, it wasn't
really dirty, but it gave me an excuse to lovingly
caress it.


Two small neighbor kids came down to watch and look at
the car.  One of them really oooo'd and aaaah'd over
it while the other fellow kept pretty quiet.  As they
walked away, I hear the quiet kid say to the other
one, "It ain't so great.  My Mom says its a kit car
with a VW motor!"

Talk about crushed!!! By a 10 year old!!!!!

Dick Ryan



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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:08:05 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Re: John Delorean and Reliability.

Dyno testing has shown that the stock ignition is insufficient above 5000 rpm.
replacing the coil with a high performance one helps.





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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:08:01 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: What happened to one of the BTTF DeLoreans

Joseph, I don't know about that, I have a lot of people tell me how 
intresting it is and what kind of a car is it. Then I have to tell them BTTF, 
then they say, Oh Yea. They are so unique, I think they would hold their own.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/alternators.shtml 

<< What is the status of this car?  I know that while Back to the Future 
movies
 have destroyed some of our cars, overall it has really saved our automobile.
 If it weren't for that film it would not have the value nor the mystique. >>



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