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Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:36 PM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean in Tracy, CA
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

2. Re: the aversion to customizing?
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. RE: the aversion to customizing?
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

4. Re: the aversion to customizing?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: College of New Jersey Car Show!
From: jimbo0946_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Quirks (WAS: [snip] NOW saving the cars)
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

7. Re: the aversion to customizing?
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

8. Garage available
From: "Aaron C." <slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Crossover pumps
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

10. Re: the aversion to customizing?
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

11. Project Delorean Site Update
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Shocks/Springs
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

13. A new version of the DeLorean Owners Directory is on-line!
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>

14. Re: the aversion to customizing?
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

15. a better door launcher?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

16. Re: Crossover pumps
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

17. Quentin Willson
From: "dmcjohn" <dmcjohn_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: a better door launcher?
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

19. Re: Crossover pumps
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:20:02 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean in Tracy, CA

Ian,

This sounds interesting...I live in Modesto but I haven't heard of any owners in Tracy.  Are you thinking of buying it to restore or do you want to part it out?  I may be able to help you out but the only people good with DeLoreans in the area that I know are in Modesto.  Maybe the Tracy Police would help you in finding the owner?  It's a long shot but you could try that.  It just sounds weird to have a DeLorean sitting in the middle of nowhere doing nothing, but especially in the valley.  

Good luck!  Let me know in e-mail: RJRavalli_at_dml_aol.com.

Richard



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:12:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: the aversion to customizing?

There is really such a duality when it comes to original versus modify with DeLoreans...

I am all for updating the DeLorean, and fixing its weak areas, and making it making it safer, more reliable, fun car to drive. I hate it that so many DeLoreans are stashed away in barns and garages, and are rarely/never driven. They were meant to be driven! And people always just love seeing your car when you take it out and drive it. I applaud those who are coming out with improved fixes, and performance parts for the DeLorean. These things help our cars stay on the road!

I think the real aversion to customizing here on the list has to do with drastic cosmetic modifications that aren't easily undone. I am very against customizing in that way. The DeLorean is a 20 year old collector car... why butcher it? There has been a declining number of nice condition, good running DeLoreans ever since DMC went under. This may seem to contradict my earlier point, but I guess I am like most people on the list... updating and modifying the car mechanically is GREAT... but why not keep the integrity of the cars original appearance? I think it looks cooler than any other car on the road just as it is :-). 
Louie #10115

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:18:08 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: the aversion to customizing?

I am not a purist, but my "D" is pretty close to original.  All I have
is my opinion, but it appears there are a few reasons to this:

1. The car was built to be a certain way, and damn it I am gonna keep it
that way
2. The car is a vehicle that would be worth less if customized
(pertaining to concourse vehicles mostly)
3. The car is a piece of art.  Would you repaint the Mona Lisa's smile?

I am sure there are more reasons.  My own belief is I bought this car
because I Love the DeLorean and wanted one.  If I wanted to buy one and
modify it to be like another car, or perform like another car I would
have bought that other car.  I have the stainless steel lettering,
changed the radio, and upgraded the speedometer.  Would I do any major
engine, suspension, or other engineering enhancements?  Maybe, because
that wouldn't really change the looks or operation of the vehicle beyond
original.  Would I paint my own car in it's current condition?  Nope.
Do I like the painted ones I see?  Yup.  I have my own invisible line of
what I am willing to do to my DeLorean, as I am sure everyone else does.
It is just some lines are further out then others.

As far as I care, chop yours up till it doesn't even resemble a DeLorean
anymore, just leave mine alone. Kidding... but I am closer to Number 1
above.  However, I believe that you have a right to do anything to your
own property as you see fit.

Sorry to rant, but I believe Sean has a valid question to ask.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
1981 DeLorean Vin 3461 August 1981 Build (Ours)
http://www.sacketmansion.com/delorean
1988 Jaguar XJS-C V-12 (Mine) http://www.sacketmansion.com/jaguar
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 (work)
2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4x4 (daily driver)
2001 PT Cruiser (Hers)
Visit us at http://www.sacketmansion.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Spurlock [mailto:sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:32 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] the aversion to customizing?



This may not even make it to the post but...

   I am very curious why so many people on this list are against
customizing 
their DeLorean? When I say customizing...I don't necessarily mean
gutting 
the car, painting it, and making it into some kind of monstrosity. I
simply 
mean IMPROVING on the original design, and despite whatever way you
slice 
it, some improvements absolutely should be done to make the car road
worthy. 
Other customizing options like wheels, brakes, EFI , electrical
additions 
(like a stereo), tinting windows and suspension mods are all a personal 
preference. So why are so many group members upset that we are
"butchering" 
our cars??? I am not against keeping a stock car at all, but having
owned a 
DeLorean, am fully aware of the car's failings, and simply want to
improve 
it...make the car better. You can still preserve the look and style of
the 
car, and still have increased reliability and functionality. If anyone 
wishes to contact me off list to voice your opinions, I would love to
hear 
them.

Regards,
Sean Spurlock

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:24:40 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: the aversion to customizing?

>    I am very curious why so many people on this list are against
customizing
> their DeLorean?

Sean,

There is customizing for the sake of being different and then there is
customizing for the sake of making the car better for daily use.  The type
of customizing that most of us are against is when someone tries to make the
car look like something that it was never meant to be.  For those who like
being alternative, the DeLorean really hits the spot.  That is about as
alternative as most of us feel a need to go.  But for those who like driving
the alternative to the alternative, then you get things like the DeLorean
monster truck, the BTTF conversions, that red custom fiberglass DeLorean
used in some TV show, etc.  I feel that these are over the edge, but I don't
badmouth any of them.  I like to see some variety in a marque of cars that
all look the same except for some minor details such as the placement of the
radio antenna or the tips on the exhaust pipes.

The type of customizing that you are talking about such as updated stereos
and suspension improvements is what makes owning these cars so much fun.  If
you are going to use it for daily driving, then by all means update the
thing.  As for my car, I have a black headliner, Alpine stereo, lowered
front springs, PJ Grady adjustable shocks, aftermarket lowprofile rims, and
convex side mirrors.  Things that I am getting ready to do are a stainless
steel frame, chrome intake manifold, HID Sylvania Xenarc headlights,
electrochromatic rearview mirror, and heavy duty front sway bar.  Once that
is done I'm planning a Porsche 4 speed automatic tranny and possibly a
different kind of engine or maybe the Houston upgrade.  LED running lights
anyone?

I just wish I had more time for these things, but I do have other
commitments that take most of my time.  And then there are local people who
have me work on their DeLoreans.  Being one of those guys like Rob Grady or
DMC Joe must be a mixed blessing.  You have your cake, but you have eat it
every day to make a living at it.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:30:51 EST
From: jimbo0946_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: College of New Jersey Car Show!

I'll be there with my D.

JimmyC
VIN#15880



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:42:12 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Quirks (WAS: [snip] NOW saving the cars)

On 21-02-2002 Kayo Ong wrote:

> Remember, it was only in the business of three years.
> I am sure if the company were to be in operation for
> an additional three years, they would have upgraded
> and corrected many of their problems and weakness,
> which haunts it. 

We had this discussion at a club meeting once and I think
another member summed it up perfectly:

"If the DeLorean Motor Company had existed for a couple of Years
more, all the childs' diseases would have been worked out.
Then again, had they done that, none of us would have had the
"exotic / special" car we all enjoy now, even with the quirks it has!"

I totally agree with him. I actually enjoy some of the "stupid"
things it has or does; gives me a good excuse to spend extra time
on my car fixing it. And in the process, everything I repair / update /
modify makes the car even more MY car...

I just LOVE my DeLorean, just a couple of days more
and I can drive it again after my accident 3 months ago...
I can't wait!

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:16:27 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: the aversion to customizing?

Sean:

Your DeLorean is your property.  Do as you please.  What you do to it would 
get negative or positive remarks.  People always have something to say.  Your 
changes would affect your investment, especially when you should sale it in 
the future.  

I have been with many different marques and the this subject matter "always" 
has been an issue when it comes to personal touches and customizing, it is 
shunted or well received.

In the first show that Ken Koncelik held four years ago in Ohio, there were 
many cars that were customized.  Some where in good taste, some others???  
Well, ... another time for that story.  One DeLorean was COMPLETELY redone 
inside as well as out, including the engine compartment.  It was in NO WAY a 
DeLorean except for the body shell.  There were mixed reviews and opinions 
about this car, yet, the majority did like it.  Look at it this way.  If you 
maintain your "personalized" DeLorean, would be better then a DeLorean that 
has been neglected or abused.

There was a statement that Henry Royce (engineer of Rolls-Royce) said:  "Take 
the best and improve on it."  

BTW...  Pre WW 2, all cars by Rolls Royce were built with different bodies.  
RR/ B would just sell you the chassis and engine.  You would then have an 
automotive architect to design the style of body of your choice.  The 
interior and exterior is also your choice.  The appointments of choice 
includes materials of interior, colors, veneers, leather or wool upholstery 
and seats, drinking glass, flower vases, carpets, seat arrangements, type of 
smoking ash trays, lights and their location and etc just to mention a few.   


Mr. John Z. DeLorean did just that ... he had all "farmed out" to different 
automotive companies and its engineer to do the same for DMC-12. 

It is human to make changes to fit one's life style ... So, it your car and 
your "show" which reflects you.  Just don't make it unsafe and gordy and 
ENJOY IT!

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9 NY


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:42:00 -0500
From: "Aaron C." <slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Garage available



  I"m not sure if anyone is interested, but the garage at my house has recently opened up, so I'm curious to know if anyone in the Long Island area need a place to keep their delorean?  Fire me an e-mail if you're interested.  Thanks!

-Aaron Crocco
Slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com
NY Plate OUTATYM



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:25:11 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Crossover pumps

I am thinking about going with a crossover water pump and fuel pump instead of ordering the more expensive versions from a vendor.  Does anyone have experience with crossover pumps vs. the same parts from a vendor?  (I remember someone talking about a VW fuel pump that works awhile go but I don't remember any specifics being given.) Do they all fit and work the same, or is there a major difference in quality?

Any help would be appreciated,

Richard





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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:10:22 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: the aversion to customizing?

Keeping a pristine example has its merits. But individually I think it comes 
down to what you can afford to do in the interest of your own gratification. 
The ownership experience is different for each of us. Some can afford to play 
with the car, and others have to treat it as an investment which will some 
day need to be liquidated. Stock pristine cars are generally more liquid and 
easily transferred than custom versions. For the informed and experienced 
owner, your financial loss or gain from the ownership experience can be 
predicted to a somewhat reasonable degree.

The Delorean I think is different than other cars in many ways, especially 
for those technically and mechanically inclined. For the knowledgable, the 
car presents many deficiencies, each of which is an opportunity for 
improvement and personalization, that other less adventurous or perceptive 
types may not appreciate.  If customization work is top notch, the 
desireability of those cars in the eyes of other enthusiasts of similar 
persuasion is real. But the audience of potential buyers does potentially 
diminish among the uninformed, considering the fear uncertainty and doubt 
that can come with a one of a kind car.

A great deal of responsibility for the evaluation and purchase of a 
customized car falls on the buyer of such a car. He needs to be able to 
evaluate the quality of the work done, Judge for himself the technical 
validity of the improvements,  and trust himself thru his own experience and 
capabilities to decide. You won't get much feedback or valuable information 
from the general owner community if you're considering an EFI, turbocharged, 
engine transplanted car. It's simply a one of a kind. 

The Delorean is fertile ground for those of us inclined toward improvements. 
Opportunities exist by the ten fold. And they're even more obvious to those 
who are familiar with the multitude of different ways automotive systems can 
be implemented. The general design of the car incorporates a great deal of 
latitude and flexibility when it comes to alternative implementations of both 
new and better technology and/or simple asthetics.

My car is a playground right now. It fits my needs and my pocketbook. Fills a 
place in my life and provides a great deal of gratification. It's my toy and 
to certain degree my creation. And I'm having more fun with this car than 
with any other I've ever owned.

I do however incorporate every change with an eye towards the ability to roll 
back to stock if I so choose. I never destroy or discard original parts and 
avoid on car modifications which cannot be completely reversed. My car may 
not be stock. But everything I need to make it so is right there in a box 
under my work bench.

Jim 6147



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:44:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Project Delorean Site Update

Not a big update, but an update.  I wanted to thank
everyone who sent emails asking for updates to the
Project Delorean site.  As I told many of you, I've
been doing some house remodeling lately so I haven't
had time to get into the garage.  The remodeling's
about complete though so I'm starting up again.  I've
posted a couple pictures showing the electrical
"spaghetti incident" and some of the fabrication
issues coming up.  Stay tuned as the project gears up
again.

I've also fixed the message board section of the site
("Shop Talk") so please post something!  Even "more
posts!" messages might help motivate me. : )


=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:36:36 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Shocks/Springs

Steven:

I got the PJ Grady's front springs and his shocks.  They are a great 
combination.  The shocks, especially are great in the ride and at high speed 
and in the handling.  Once you run the vehicle at high speeds for more than 
25 minutes, they stiffen up and really give a nice ride.  The road holding 
capabilities is something else, more performance then I expected.  These 
shocks brings the DMC-12 to the performance of today's sport cars standard.  
They are much different then the first prototype that I have tested for Rob a 
year ago.  One of the better up grades one can do for their DeLorean.  The 
bucks spent are very well worth every cent of them.  It makes the old 
DeLorean a new DeLorean.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:59:45 -0800
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>
Subject: A new version of the DeLorean Owners Directory is on-line!

The newest edition of the DeLorean Owners Directory is completed and
available on the DMCnews website at:

http://www.dmcnews.com/directory.html

You have to be in the Directory in order to qualify to receive a copy. To
check this, read and follow the instructions on the web page. The listing
contains everyone who has submitted their information prior to 5/6/2001.

If you already have password access to the list it should still apply. 

If you have any questions, contact me at directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com.

Ken
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http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/index.htm
mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://www.ncdmc.org
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:27:44 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: the aversion to customizing?

Sorry, I could not let this one pass me by.

What's wrong with monstrosities? (Monster Deloreans in particular)
All custom Deloreans have there place, and in some cases, a purpose.

I appreciate concourse Deloreans, daily drivers, customized Deloreans
and even works in progress or damaged Deloreans.  Each has a story.

I think that one of the 'aversions' that many DML members and Delorean
owners in general have with regards to comments about customizing is
that long time Delorean owners and enthusiasts have heard most of this
before but often never hear about action taken or see a finished item
that fulfills the expectation or, at least, an item or customization
that actually does what the person has set out to do.

I'm not discouraging talk and discussion, but at least make an attempt
at checking the archives before posting something that you think is a
first time post (or idea), only to find out with another post that the
list had a major thread on the same topic a few weeks or months ago.

It's nice to TALK about doing something, but it is quite another to
actually DO it.  It's great to get ideas and feedback before jumping
into something, but if you say it, mean it.  Follow through on it.
I applaud all the vendors who have followed through with their ideas
and improvements that have made the Delorean a better and safer car
to drive.  I also applaud the vendors and others who have produced
items that make the car perform better, make it look better or just
make it more fun to own, drive and show. 

As for customizing in general, D REX was my first custom Delorean
project after refurbishing and restoring "stock" Deloreans as a hobby
for nearly 17 years.  D REX is only the first of several custom
Delorean projects I intend to build (or at least start) during 2002,
but I rather have the projects do the talking for me.

Expect BIG things at the Memphis 2002 show.

See you there.


Rich W.



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> This may not even make it to the post but...
> 
>    I am very curious why so many people on this list are against 
customizing 
> their DeLorean? When I say customizing...I don't necessarily mean 
gutting 
> the car, painting it, and making it into some kind of monstrosity. 




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:55:23 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: a better door launcher?

While doing extensive work in my doors, I've come across perhaps a better
idea for installing door launchers than weighing the door down with
additional hardware.  My idea is to install the actuator (or solenoid or
whatever) in the T-panel or one of the electrical compartments behind the
seats.  From there run bicycle brake type cables up through the T-panel and
into the doors.  Technically the same could also be done with the door lock
solenoids which would take a lot of weight out of the doors taking strain
off the torsion bars & door struts.

Similar types of cables are already used for the latches on the engine
compartment, front storage compartment, throttle cable & automatic
transmission kick down.  It seems perfectly reasonable to me that the same
sort of thing can be used for door launchers as well as the door lock
solenoids.  The locks would be a special case because that would take two
cables: one to lock and one to unlock since you can pull all you want, but
you can't push very hard with a cable.

I'm thinking, "What is the worst of the two evils?  Installing a heavy
actuator in the door and readjusting the torsion bar to compensate for
it -OR- threading a lightweight cable through the roof & into the door."
The later would involve installing a new bell crank bracket that would
barely weigh any more than the OEM.  And while you are at it, you could do
the same for the OEM door lock solenoid which could then lighten the door so
much that you might need to readjust the torsion bar only to take pressure
off of it.

What gave me this idea is that without the weight of the door panels
installed, the door opens with way too much force.  I thought that a
previous owner had over-torqued the torsion bars, so we took the strut off
of a fully assembled door.  It was so heavy without the strut that it rested
on the striker pins with weight to spare.  According to accepted torsion bar
dogma, a properly adjusted torsion bar should lift the bottom of the door 4"
from the door sill.  Well, mine doesn't even come close, yet with the strut
installed I have to hold the door as it opens or else it will open with too
much force.  I must have very strong struts, but unfortunately they are of
the non-dampening variety.  (I went off on a tangent.)

Anyway, comments anyone?

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:34:35 -0800
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Crossover pumps

I tried an aftermarket fuel pump one time.  It was smaller in diameter 
than the right pump and required an adaptor ring to fit the mounting. 
 It didn't take long till the pump was sitting on the bottom of the 
tank.  Worst money I ever spent!  Why not get the right parts to begin 
with and save yourself money, time and aggrivation.  You'll save in the 
long run.  Been there and done that!

Bill Lane
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:43:22 -0000
From: "dmcjohn" <dmcjohn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Quentin Willson

Hi list,
I found 2 webpages on Quentin Willson (crap biased journalist that 
was mentioned here last week) that you may find interesting...
http://www.speak-easy.co.uk/quwi.htm
http://132.185.132.39/home/interview_archive/quentin_willson.shtml
I thought the opening line was very funny at the first link, which 
begins "He brings journalistic credibility, total 
professionalism, ...." and so on...

John Dore. 




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:19:01 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: a better door launcher?

Actuators aren't very heavy - 500g maybe. And brake/throttle cable is 
steel inside a steel ringed sheath, and you'd get perhaps 3-4' of that 
to pull the handle, inside the door. Not worth the effort IMO. It'd also 
be a lot easer to fix/maintain an actuator inside the door. I don't 
really see that adjusting the torsion bar to take a relatively tiny bit 
of stress off it is going to increase its life much anyway. They don't 
often fail as it is.

As to the eagerness of your struts vs the counterbalance of your door. I 
don't know where the 4" "rule" came from, but if the torsion bar has 
enough twist in it to lift the door sufficiently for the gas strut to 
take over, that's all the bar needs to do. If you have to lift the door 
at all, then the torsion bar's not notched high enough. Remember the 
more the door goes up the less and less work the torsion bar is doing, 
and the more the strut is doing. Neither works without the other, and at 
the point of being closed, the strut provides zero lift to the door.

It does sound like you'd benefit from having the struts with the "brake" 
in them. I got mine from PJ Grady, and at least two other members who've 
seen how my doors work have said "right, I'm getting a pair of those 
struts".

Martin
#1458
DOC UK

Walter Coe wrote:

>While doing extensive work in my doors, I've come across perhaps a better
>idea for installing door launchers than weighing the door down with
>additional hardware.  My idea is to install the actuator (or solenoid or
>whatever) in the T-panel or one of the electrical compartments behind the
>seats.  From there run bicycle brake type cables up through the T-panel and
>into the doors.  Technically the same could also be done with the door lock
>solenoids which would take a lot of weight out of the doors taking strain
>off the torsion bars & door struts.
>





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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:10:42 -0800 (PST)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Re: Crossover pumps

If memory serves me correct - there are some issues regarding the pulley 
and the water pump.

And for the fuel pump - there are some issues regarding a check valve 
(forget if it's supposed to be there or not.)  Maybe other issues also.

IMO - buy one from the vendors.  Fuel pumps often can't be returned or 
exchanged since they are electrical items.  And the water pump is pretty 
critical to the life of your engine - hate to make a mistake there.

Might be more money, but it sure beats problems down the road.  Plus I'm 
sure you'll get the load of replies about the value of keeping the vendors 
around.  They are worth their weight in gold when you have questions.  
Many will give good phone support . . . 
-Eric

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com wrote:

> I am thinking about going with a crossover water pump and fuel pump instead of ordering the more expensive versions from a vendor.  Does anyone have experience with crossover pumps vs. the same parts from a vendor?  (I remember someone talking about a VW fuel pump that works awhile go but I don't remember any specifics being given.) Do they all fit and work the same, or is there a major difference in quality?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated,
> 
> Richard
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