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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 927
Date: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:36 PM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. http://www.DeLoreanFinance.com
From: "Robert O. Greenhaw" <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

2. Re: Don't give up on your original horns
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

3. Re: Possible Frozen Fuel Gauge
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

4. Re: ELECTRICAL BLUES
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Possible Frozen Fuel Gauge
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. DeLorean Decals
From: "Robert O. Greenhaw" <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

7. Re: timing chain trouble? what's this sound?
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: A new alternator problem! (And a radar detector install to boot)
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

9. 1970's&1980's DMC/JZD news broadcasts
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

10. RE: timing chain trouble? what's this sound?
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

11. RE: Front suspension - stuck on step two.... (got wheel off successfully)
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

12. New Rear Tires
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>

13. Re: floor mats and rattling
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>

14. Re: Don't give up on your original horns
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. DeLorean Motor Company Has Moved!
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

16. RE: timing chain trouble? what's this sound?
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

17. RE: A/C conversion
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

18. SURVEY : DO YOU WANT THE BEST HANDLING FOR YOUR DELOREAN ?
From: "delorean04271" <88mph_at_dml_delorean.com>

19. Re: Resurrected Barn Relic
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

20. Re: Open doors?
From: "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_jps.net>

21. Re: http://www.DeLoreanFinance.com
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:01:01 -0600
From: "Robert O. Greenhaw" <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: http://www.DeLoreanFinance.com

Hey guys,

This site is new,
http://www.DeLoreanFinance.com

So new that there's no links, just a really sharp full
screen image of a D with doors up and a caption that reads,
"The Stainless Steel Dream....Own it Today!"

Anyone know about this place?  James, Rob, Darryl, anyone??

Later Days,
Robert G.



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:21:09 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Don't give up on your original horns

My '82 did the same thing but when I took the horns off and hooked them directly to 12V
they sounded just fine, the remedy was a horn relay.  You might want to check your horns
with full voltage before wasp hunting.  Also, with a relay you can use most any horns
without upsetting the delicate electrical nervous system.




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:52:44 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Possible Frozen Fuel Gauge

Mine works when the engine is off too, and it's OEM.

Paul

#6463


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

> This is the first car I've seen where the fuel guage works continuously,
even when the engine's off. (note to self: check wiring diagram....)
>
> Martin
> #1458



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:36:53 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: ELECTRICAL BLUES

Lance, Not being a short in wires somewhere, as the fuel pump gets older and 
being that it is an electrical motor,  I would say it's most likley the fuel 
pump. When you turn the key to the 1st position and the fuel pump runs for a 
sec or two. Does it pop the fuse then.
Then.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/ 



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:42:11 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Possible Frozen Fuel Gauge

Willie, Because there are electrical contacts in the fuel sending unit. Cold 
contracts and one of them might not have touched good enough and caused this 
temporary problem. 
John Hervey



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:58:10 -0600
From: "Robert O. Greenhaw" <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: DeLorean Decals

Hi List,

I ran across a site, http://www.decalkits.com, that 
specializes in automotive body and windshield decals.

I emailed them about perhaps fabricating DeLorean 
designs.  I have yet to get an answer, but I'll post again
with the results.  

So, what do you guys think?  Would you like to "spice up"
the car by adding a couple of black flames down the side,
or putting "DeLorean" across the windshield?

Let's elaborate!

Later Days,
Robert G. 

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:28:45 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: timing chain trouble? what's this sound?

Casey:

It may not be your timing chain..... Check your exhaust manifold gaskets for 
leaks.  Your engine will make tick, tick, ticks sounds when your engine is 
cold and after warming up some 20 minute later, the sound will subside or go 
away.  I had that problem until I had PJ Grady change the gaskets.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:32:53 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: A new alternator problem! (And a radar detector install to boot)

Steve, I would agree with you on the fuses and in going one step further, I 
suggest the fuses be replaced when they start to loose the shinny contacts. 
When they start to frost up and look dull I believe they are building up a 
higher resistance and start to heat up more. Normal heat and atmosphere is 
what turns them frosty looking to begin with and that's when the contacts 
build up the higher resistance and they melt quicker or damage the box.
The Ducellier had the light wire as well, but being a two wire system, the 
sense voltage also came through the brown wire. 
The Motorola was or is a one wire system and has to have the light wire 
brown/yellow or NY to activate the regulator. Since the bulb was hooked in 
series with the wire, If it goes out, so does the alternator. 
I also have a voltage regulator I could put in the alternator that doesn't 
have any voltage regulator wires at all to hook up. It's internally excited, 
but if I use them, you would have no light. The gauge would still be OK. So I 
don't do it because I would think most people would want to see the light. I 
would   
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/alternators.shtml
       
 



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:47:24 EST
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: 1970's&1980's DMC/JZD news broadcasts

Hello,

    I am looking for television clips, new broadcasts, TV clips and newsreels 
about DMC & JZD from the Television networks circa the 1970s and 1980s. 
    Any price considered, PAL or NTSC 16 mm or 35 mm.

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:54:51 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: timing chain trouble? what's this sound?

Casey,
When using the stethoscope, check the exhaust manifolds.  An exhaust leak
will make a ticking sound at idle.
Scott Mueller
002981



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:07:09 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Front suspension - stuck on step two.... (got wheel off successfully)

You need to rent a tapered fork to remove the ball joint.  Your local parts
house should have one you can rent, or buy one at your local Harbor Freight
store.
Scott Mueller
002981



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:49:50 -0500
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>
Subject: New Rear Tires

I'm the new owner of #5252. It needs new tires on the rear to replace the worn out Yokahama AVS AV1-60i's. My shop is recommending the Michelin XGT Pilot's at $130 each. I lean more towards smoothe ride than speed rating etc. Any comments or suggestions?

Bob Thomason
Charlotte, NC
rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:54:11 -0500
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>
Subject: Re: floor mats and rattling

Check the roof T-panel. If the foam underneath it has deteriorated, 
there may be insufficient upward pressure
on the front flange of the roof where it engages above the windshield. 
There are no fasteners at this point,
so a slightly loose roof can definitely rattle in a way that is hard to 
localize.  If this is the problem, just glue some new foam under the 
panel and it will go away.

--Pete Lucas
   VIN #06703

  On Thursday, Feb28, 2002, James LaLonde wrote:
>
> there is a rattling coming from the driver side front of the car... 
> could be outside or inside..... any ideas.
>



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:40:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Don't give up on your original horns

Having had the experience of buying a D new back in
'82, I can say there was no testosterone even when
new.  to hear the horns, I almost had to first roll
down the windows.
Long ago I replaced my horns with Hella horns from
Griot's Garage.  They are that terribly irritating
German style BEEP, but you can't miss them and that's
why we have horns in the first place.

Dick Ryan
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:02:19 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: DeLorean Motor Company Has Moved!

Please note our new address and phone effective immediately! The old numbers
will transfer to the new location for a short while yet.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396

281/441-2537 Voice
281/441-2813 Fax
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:15:43 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: timing chain trouble? what's this sound?

When I check in to building a performance PRV-V6, I found information that said our engines do not have any means of adjusting the timing chain.  One of the reasons you cant mill the head (too much) to increase compression.


-----Original Message-----
From: Casey Putsch [mailto:chaparral2a002_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:06 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] timing chain trouble? what's this sound?


I am wondering if any of you have had or heard of either your timing chains 
or timing chain tensioners having trouble and perhaps making a ticking 
sound.

<SNIP>



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:26:16 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: A/C conversion

This comes up every spring.

Some have had good luck with conversions, BUT I suggest sticking with R-12.

To do a proper R-134A conversion, every seal in the system needs to be changed, the receiver/dryer needs to be changed, and everything else needs to be properly flushed out.  This is not a easy job to do CORRECTLY, and when your done you are still be stressing the components by putting them under 70% more pressure than they were designed for.  The added pressure is also hard on the compressor, so you may be looking at replacing that too.

R-12 is not all that expensive, it is just hard to get without a license.  There are good substitutes that have been discussed in the past, but I do not use them.  I stick with pure R-12, no blends.  Blended R-12 sometimes contains propane which is a excellent refrigerant, but VERY DANGEROUS!

You will also stay much cooler with R-12, without overworking the compressor (and taking more power from your wheels!)


-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:45 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] A/C conversion


last summer my A/C system wasn't functioning so i took it in to my local shop 
to have them inspect everything for leaks.  turns out pretty much everything 
is leaking on it.  if i were to buy all new A/C parts, it would cost me a 
small fortune.  how easy is it to substitute the entire system with modern 
R-134a components?  how much will that cost and how easy is it to make 
everything work?  

<SNIP>




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:32:05 -0000
From: "delorean04271" <88mph_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: SURVEY : DO YOU WANT THE BEST HANDLING FOR YOUR DELOREAN ?

Hi all,

I introduce myself, my name is Christophe and I live in Luxembourg, 
in the "Old Europe". I'm a DeLorean Owner since my 28th birthday, I'm 
29 years old now, my D (VIN#04271) was sold in California first, and 
it came to Germany where I bought it, and now, it is in Luxembourg 
for a long, a very long time, I hope.
This car was entirely dismounted, engine, gearbox, interior, brakes, 
etc... therefore, I can say that I know it by heart. If you have 
particular problems, ask me especially if it is about the engine, it 
is a European mechanics... 

I have to change all suspensions, and I want to give to my D the best 
I can find, so I ask to put on it the Bilstein-Eibach suspensions. 

Before launching me in the adventure, I would like to know if  anyone 
among you would be interested.

These suspensions are the one used in European super cars like 
Mercedes AMG or Brabus, Porsche prepared by Strosek or Koening. It's 
also the suspension of race cars for "24H of Mans" or "Paris-Dakar" 
rally. The reputation of this company is not any more to make.

Another detail, you will have these suspensions for the entire life 
of your car, a rally car using this suspensions in a very hard way 
keep them for several years (5 to 10 years with a little 
reconditioning each year). Suspensions needs just a little 
reconditioning treatment, and that's all…

The price will go between $1500 to $2600 for a complete set (4 high 
performance suspensions and 4 lowering springs).

If you are interested by giving one of the best suspension of the 
world (Bilstein-Eibach), send me an e-mail, the more answers I will 
get, the cheapest it will be !!!

Best regards,

VIEIRA Christophe.
VIN#04271 / DL005
Luxembourg
88mph_at_dml_delorean.com

PS : Don't take care about my English, please… Thanks.




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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:58:19 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrected Barn Relic

WOW!!

Any chance of getting some BEFORE, DURING, and more AFTER shots of 
this car?

Erik Geerdink
4512

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Hello List - I wanted to alert those of you who may be interested 
that I have uploaded a photo into the "Peoples Cars" folder in the Photo 
> section, This car was found last November in a barn in rural Washington, 
with bales of hay stacked on it



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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:57:49 -0800
From: "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_jps.net>
Subject: Re: Open doors?

Les,

You bring up good point on why leave a DeLorean's doors open for no apparent
reason. It's useful in drawing attention to the car for advertising purposes
but in real life it's not necessary. People typically don't leave the doors
open on a car with conventional side opening doors longer than necessary, so
why do it on a DeLorean?

Joe
VIN 6467


----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Huckins" <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: [DML] Money saving offer!


> The current price to join the DOA is $72, was $60.  I was not going to
> re-up anyway, a picture book of cars with their doors up turns me off.
> I think it's a terrific looking car with the doors closed...said that
> before, doors are to get in and out of.
>
> Now, instead of saving $60 I'm saving $72.  ( I may soon be as wealthy
> as Dick Ryan).
>
> Les



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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:57:58 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: http://www.DeLoreanFinance.com

> This site is new,
> http://www.DeLoreanFinance.com

I don't know anything about it, but a simple domain name search reveals it
is owned by:

Registrant:
 Stephen D. Rynerson
 1550 Poplar St.
 Denver, CO 80220
US

And it was created on   28-Oct-2001.

-Hank





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