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Date: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:07 AM

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. pics of my car
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>

2. Re: rust-o (was front suspension)
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

3. Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: New Frame
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Open doors?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: New Frame
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

8. RE: DeLorean Motor Company Has Moved!
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

9. Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: New Frame
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com

11. RE: Re: New DeLorean Tires
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

12. Finished seats
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

13. Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

14. Re: Re: Open doors?
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>

15. RE: DeLorean Decals
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>

16. DeLorean Replicas?
From: "joshp1986" <joshp1986_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Re: New Rear Tires
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

18. actuators
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

19. Re: Re: Open doors?
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

20. Re: New Frame
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 06:01:38 -0000
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>
Subject: pics of my car

just thought i would share a few pics of my car with the group. the 
other cars are friends that i run with. we have a nice club started 
down here. you can see whats going on in south louisiana at 
www.slicc.org or www.sportsnimports.com im on both of these every day!

hope yall enjoy the pics!

skipper landry
www.sk1pper.com

ps. i will have a completely new site revision in a few weeks!




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:53:33 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: rust-o (was front suspension)

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:38:35 EST njp548_at_dml_aol.com writes:

> Nah...all you need to do is what my brother did..just use a hammer 
> and tap the side of the steering knuckle and that will knock it off the 
> steering knuckle. 


Tap?  I only wish my car was this nice.  I could wail on the steering
knuckle for a hour with a sledge hammer and it wouldn't move.

I've noticed that a lot of Ds, depending on their history, have very
diffferent weathering than others.  When I took apart half of my car last
year, I replaced all the bolts with stainless ones and added
anti-seize... EVERY BOLT or NUT I took out was rusted in place.  Getting
the front fascia off was a bear because the nuts were spinning inside the
bumper.  I had to cut the bolts off with a hack saw blade.  I think after
a while you know what you can expect from your car: easy fixing or a stop
at every turn.

Which brings me to the frame... The epoxy on the frame gets a lot of
complaints, but I think it's a miracle.  My 10 year old honda doesn't
look half as good as the D frame.  I will admit that the coating lends
itself to parts of the frame being totally rust through and other parts
as good as new... but you can't win 'em all.  I'm just trying to win
some.  

Jim 
1537



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:50:10 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

Instead of powder coating the radio bracket, I wrapped mine in matching 
leather. It really adds to the car I think.

Justin
5172


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:32:47 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

Can anyone say what the exact measurements of the DIN opening on the Houston
bracket are?  There is a chance that Houston made theirs according to the
DIN standard and it is a few various radio manufactures who are at fault for
making their radios too large.  For example, my Alpine came with an outer
sleeve that I didn't use.  So which part of the radio fits the DIN
standard -- the radio itself or the optional outer sleeve?

If I hear that the Houston DIN opening is indeed too small -- that coupled
with the fact that they don't even paint it would make me not want to bother
with buying one.  Perhaps they will get busy and at least start painting
them.

BTW, what happened to the parts-for-sale area of the Mid-Atlantic DMC site?
I can understand them not wanting to sell brackets to compete with Houston,
but what happened to all the other cool stuff like the stainless steel
braded brake lines & such?




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:05:57 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: New Frame

> Has anyone one had the new stainless steel frame put in there car?

PDC is in the process of making a SS frame for my car.  I realize that to
keep my car as a reliable daily driver, I'm going to have to do something
about the frame.  At the very least I would have to strip the old epoxy and
paint it before any more of it flakes off.  Then I am concerned about
possible damage that my car may still have from a front end collision that
it was apparently in before I owned it.  Then I have broken tow hooks, and
the last straw was having the master cylinder leak brake fluid around the
fuel tank loosening the epoxy and making a mess.  Sound familiar Hank?

I can't say this is fact or merely opinion, but I hear that part of the
reason why the epoxy tends to crack on these frames so bad is because the
frames are flimsy.  With continued use, more and more of the epoxy cracks
allowing rust to set in.  Since I'm planning on eventually doing an engine &
tranny swap, adding more horsepower to the OEM frame is something that I'm
not excited about.

On the other hand, I've had another list member tell me that a stainless
frame would be a really dangerous thing to do because it would rust anyway
and be too strong in an accident.  I won't say who he is, but if he wants to
speak up he can. (I will say that this guy REALLY knows his stainless.)  I'm
not too worried about the stainless rusting.  I thought before that I might
paint the new stainless frame anyway, but considering that PDC has something
like 80K miles on their prototype frame with no rust tells me that paint
will probably just add unnecessary weight.  As for being too strong in an
accident, PDC claims that the crumple zones in the front are properly
designed to absorb energy just as well or better than the OEM frame.
Hopefully no one will ever have to find this out the hard way.  And the rear
is substantially stronger than OEM in a collision.  This is mostly to do
with supporting more horsepower in the engine compartment.  The intent was
to design it to adequately handle a 300hp engine.  Quite frankly, more
strength and less crumple ability in a frame doesn't scare me.  My other
main vehicle is a 3/4 ton chassis GMC truck.  Against the typical car on the
road, that truck isn't going to do much crumpling.  So why should I
compromise with my DeLorean?  You could argue that the DeLorean has less
mass so that more energy will be transferred to the occupants, but I figure
that most of that is something that the car that hits me is going to have to
deal with.  Now I might go to a 5 point seatbelt someday.

Sure, a stainless frame is a lot of money.  It's costing me around $9K which
includes the new trailing arms that don't use trailing arm bolts.  That
little upgrade was another factor in making me go totally stainless.  After
removing bent bolts from two cars, I certainly wasn't excited about putting
the same kind of bolt back on.  (May God richly bless Toby!  That man may be
responsible for saving some lives already.)  I don't feel that I am wasting
any money on this car.  DeLoreans aren't taking any more depreciation.  And
if I were ever to sell this car, I would advertise it with a base price and
then add $9K for the stainless frame.  I don't think anyone could argue with
that.  Besides, how much does it cost for a new Porsche or BMW or Mercedes
roadster?  The DeLorean is a lot more bang for the buck and also less money
even if in addition to the stainless frame you spend another $20K for that
Cadillac Northstar V8 conversion.  Even with all that invested it is still a
better value AND less money.

I don't know anyone else besides Bryan Pearce who has one of these frames.
I get the feeling that there are very few if any to date.  It is a lot of
money, and it has taken a while for people to start to feel comfortable with
it.  I don't think that anyone will mind my saying that PDC is making a
batch for one of the vendors along with the one for me.  I consider this an
endorsement that is hard to ignore.

Coolness,
Walt    Tampa, FL






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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 04:13:37 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Open doors?

> The Delorean is one of the FEW
> cars that are displayed with open doors

Oh yeah?  Mine is one of the FEW that is displayed with the doors CLOSED,
thank you.  One would think that Giugiaro originally drew the thing with the
door open.  Well, there is plenty of room in this world for both types of
us, but it's always fun saying what makes us who we are.  So here is my 2
cents:

I was at a local cruise-in show where a girl with her DeLorean had
everything open on her car that could be open except for maybe the glove
box.  Then she asked why I didn't open everything on my car, too.  Because
it looks ridiculous, that's why.   Her car reminded me of a chicken with
ruffled feathers while I was performing a civic duty to show the world what
a DeLorean really should look like.

Then there was another case of a guy driving his DeLorean to the Zephyrhills
AutoFest.  Once we got on the property, he and his son opened their doors as
they drove in.  They suggested that I do the same with mine, but I didn't.
We drove quite a distance through a dusty field cluttered with thousands of
classic cars.  Then we parked side-by-side -- his with his doors still
proudly open and mine with the doors shut & locked.  Afterwards I couldn't
help but chuckle when he complained about how much dust got in his car.  (I
told you so. :-)  His son said that at least a dozen different people tried
the door handles on my car.  It's a good thing I had it locked or it would
have been full of dust too.

Bottom line:  The doors-open people attract the crowd to come and look.
Then the doors-closed people show them style.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:10:36 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: New Frame

I've had my frame rebuilt and you can check it out at at site:-

www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk

you can also contact me off the list for any more help at

Paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com
0044 28 94 454814

Cheers
Paul
#6463

----- Original Message -----
From: "dmcburn75" <dmcburn75_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [DML] New Frame

> Has anyone one had the new stainless steel frame put in there car? Or
> has anyone had the frame totally restored and built back up. I am
> asking because I am wondering what the cost is to do this. Thanks!



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 06:51:17 -0600
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Motor Company Has Moved!

it's pronounced without the 'h', as in 'umble'.
It's just another part of Houston (which has the 'h' sound. Go figure.)

-Kevin #4687
Houston (or more precisely, Clear Lake City, no 'h' sound at all. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: paulf52093_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:paulf52093_at_dml_aol.com]
Subject: Re: [DML] DeLorean Motor Company Has Moved!

Humble??? Come now, there's nothing "humble" about our proud cars!

Paul Feine



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:51:02 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold

In a message dated 3/1/02 10:45:56 PM Central Standard Time, Whalt_at_dml_att.net 
writes:


> BTW, I'm also considering a different design for the throttle spool cover
> that would fit UNDER the Y-pipe.  The OEM one just looks like it doesn't
> belong there and unbalances the symetry.
> 
> Walt    

Walt, 

i'm not sure what you mean by the "Y-pipe".  the Y-pipe as i know it is the 
metal lenth of pipe with one outlet on one end (the heater pipe) and the 
other end has two outlets that go to the waterpump back.  THAT is the Y-pipe. 
 it is usually very dirty and corroded, and no one will ever see it so why 
spend the $$$ on chroming it?

for my intake manifold, i removed it and brought to a machine shop that does 
engines.  i had them chemically bathe the carbon out of it, then they baked 
it, then glassbeaded it and painted it silver with high-temp engine paint.  
they also did the throttle distribution pipe (the thing held on by four bolts 
on the intake manifold that connects the manifold to the throttle body above 
the thermostat housing).  i also bought a new pump and had the old themo 
housing glassbeaded and painted.  it is smooth now and the everything looks 
very new.  i feel this treatment will last a lot longer than chroming and it 
requires less maintenence.  besides, my car is a semi-daily driver and it 
would probably get dirty in a few weeks.  no thanks!

go my route, you will be happy Walt!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:50:51 -0500 (EST)
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com
Subject: Re: New Frame

Hello,

Next year i'm removing the frame from the body in order to do some restoration.  This year though i'm removing my suspension parts and having them redone.  My frame is in fairly good condition,  but what i want to do is have it totaly stripped and rhino coated.  A rough estimate i got was in the $2,000 for coating.  This all depends on the guy actaully seeing the frame, before he has it done.  I also have access to glass beading and sand blasting machines so i will do that all myself.  From what i have been told rhino coating with never chip, or scratch as long as i own it.  And all types of dirt, oil, tar whatever i can get on it will wipe right off.  You also have to factory in any new bushings, bolts, parts etc. that you may have not seen before and that should be replaced while your doing this.  Which typicaly in doing any work on the delorean,  you should try to use new bolts anyway.

- Shain
#10140

----- In Response To -----

Has anyone one had the new stainless steel frame put in there car? Or
has anyone had the frame totally restored and built back up. I am
asking because I am wondering what the cost is to do this. Thanks!




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:28:28 -0500
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: New DeLorean Tires



Ital Design has designed a new tire. The tires are high preformance with a rasied "Gugiaro" on the sidewalls. Approx $900 per tire. That is your ultimate status symbol.

Best Wishes,
Michael



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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:53:14 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Finished seats

At long last I have both my seats re-covered and back in the car, and what a
difference they make.

I have now posted some before and after shots on my web so you can see the
finished article. Go see I'm sure you'll agree the boys have done a sterling
job.

Cheers
Paul

#6463

www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:10:42 -0800
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold

i dont work for this company nor am i making any money by telling you about this product
but i do believe in this proven product and have seen the results.

if you want to polish the inside of your intake try this web site out.
http://www.extrudehone.com/automotiveoem.html
they take a gritty putty type substance and push it through the intake at a high
pressure and this removes all of the burs and imperfections inside of the intake. by
doing this you will increase the intake flow of air into your engine and it WILL
increase horsepower. any higher volume of air mixed with gasoline will produce more
horsepower. this is how a supercharger works kinda on a car but a supercharger also puts
higher pressure and a larger volume of air to do the same job with greater horsepower
capabilities. also by doing this to your intake it will also help lowering your
emissions and increase horsepower. read this link and you will see.
http://www.extrudehone.com/automotiveaftr.html
i believe the delorean will benefit by this and also you will never know this has been
done to your car unless you take the intake manifold off and look inside.

i hopes this helps you all and if anybody wants to help me i have a 1992 supercharged
mustang gt for trade for a delorean if anybody is interested.

mark
ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:48:58 -0800
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Open doors?

Open door policy. . .
My wife and I recently took one of those pretty sunset pictures with our
DeLorean.
Stereotypical, yes, but WE didn't have one!  :-)
Rather than lean on the hood, etc. we both sat side by side on the door
runner 'step' (door open, of course).
I didn't think about it at the time, but how many cars can you actually
pose like *that*  with?

Oliver (just a guy who thinks peacocks look best when they 'display'.)
#10694


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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:25:08 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Decals

I would be interested in a windshield decal that goes across the top.

DeLorean
DMC-12

either one of these would be acceptable to me
They would look best if they were done using the DeLorean font.

Scott Mueller
002981 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert O. Greenhaw [mailto:deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:58 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Decals


Hi List,

I ran across a site, http://www.decalkits.com, that 
specializes in automotive body and windshield decals.

I emailed them about perhaps fabricating DeLorean 
designs.  I have yet to get an answer, but I'll post again
with the results.  

So, what do you guys think?  Would you like to "spice up"
the car by adding a couple of black flames down the side,
or putting "DeLorean" across the windshield?

Let's elaborate!

Later Days,
Robert G. 



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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:01:45 -0000
From: "joshp1986" <joshp1986_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean Replicas?

 Hello list,
      I will introduce myself first.I'm 16 yrs. old and I love 
DeLoreans too much for my own good.I am starting to car shop for the 
fist time,and since I can't afford a refurbeshed DeLorean or a mid 
contition one I was wondering if anyone knows of a web-site in where 
I could maybe find a replica car. I've looked for them but all I got 
was the general DeLorean page for Yahoo search.I went to some of them 
but, no luck.
   I'm doing everything I can to find a DeLorean running or not that 
is around central Arkansas,or around the state but I can't seem to 
have any luck. although there is a Briklin for sale about 10 miles 
from my house.Mmmm...I kind of got off the subject.Well, if anybody 
has any info about the replicas please respond. 
                    Thanks alot,
                          Porterhouse




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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:34:28 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: Re: New Rear Tires

Are you guys running aftermarket wheels? I just looked out at the Yokohama
web site and they don't make any 14" sizes in this model. So this one is
out for the stock wheels.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 09:25 PM 3/1/02 -0000, you wrote:
>Yokohama AVS-db tires on it.  These are an all-new tire that is very 
<snip>
>Toby Peterson VIN 2248
>Winged1




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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:25:16 -0800
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: actuators

My apology, Michael.  I'm not sure where the "5-6lb. solenoids" came from.  Your original post said 3 pounds ("Your door strut and your torsion bars are not affected by the weight of the Solenoids that weigh only three pounds a piece.")  Even at 3lb. that is 12 TIMES heavier than my actuators.  When mine are compact, inexpensive, lightweight, and have a zero failure rate, it still confounds me why you would recommend anything else, especially based on your experience with ONE installation.  Did I miss something there?

I still have no idea what you meant about "tapping into the upper armature" or whatever.  I have seen several installations where solenoids were used to pull on one of the DMC long lock rods, using parallel clamps, and that is not the way to do it - not enough leverage and too much chance of slippage.

You know, I never really wanted to market door opening kits for one simple reason - with every one installed my own setup is a little less unique.  But the number of people wanting them forced me into offering kits.  Maybe someday when  "there are other options and places to buy from" I'll quit and let them deal with the criticism.  (Yes I'm aware Don Steger has installed some, but I don't believe he offers kits. And as for the "50 other sites out there that sell both actuators and solenoid shaved door handle kits for far less money" they are not intended for DeLoreans, and I'd wager the sellers can not tell you how to install them in one.)  But as I have said many times this isn't rocket science - anyone handy with installing remote controls and knowledeable about DeLorean wiring can do this.  But please don't ask me how to make someone else's setup work ("Darryl where do you install your actuators on your doors?").

Okay, was that more civil?  Guess my meds are wearing off.....


Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
www.delorean-parts.com



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:35:33 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Open doors?

That was a great reason to have your doors open, as is sitting with your door open
talking to someone, etc. it's the mindless door openings I find fault with (note the key
word).

Les.

Holler wrote:

> Open door policy. . .
> My wife and I recently took one of those pretty sunset pictures with our
> DeLorean.
> Stereotypical, yes, but WE didn't have one!  :-)
> Rather than lean on the hood, etc. we both sat side by side on the door
> runner 'step' (door open, of course).
> I didn't think about it at the time, but how many cars can you actually
> pose like *that*  with?
>
> Oliver (just a guy who thinks peacocks look best when they 'display'.)
> #10694




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:42:08 EST
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New Frame

In a message dated 3/2/02 7:13:58 PM Central Standard Time, 
shain_at_dml_elecmods.com writes:
> Next year I'm removing the frame from the body in order to do some 
> restoration.  My frame is in fairly good condition, but what I want to do 
> is have it totally stripped and rhino coated.
> 

  Shain,
    Been there, done that. We Rhino Coated one frame and it turned out very 
nice. A couple of things you need to watch out for, this stuff goes on pretty 
thick  - 1/8 to 1/4" or so. You will need to either mask off or remove the 
coating from some surfaces where you can't have this thickness, like the 
engine and tranny mounts, suspension pick up points, electrical grounds and 
such. You will also need to re-tap all the threaded holes in the frame to 
accept bolts. The one other thing you need to be aware of is this coating 
will burn. You need to make sure you don't have any hot parts, like the 
exhaust system, close to the coated frame. Personally, I still think POR-15 
is the best coating method currently available for the Delorean frame. But 
that is just my opinion.

  Marty 


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