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Date: Sunday, March 03, 2002 2:16 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...
From: Mark Noeltner <>

2. Re: RE: door opener actuators

3. Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold
From: "Walter Coe" <>

4. Re: James...the magazine?
From: "Joe Thome" <>

5. Re: A new alternator problem! (And a radar detector install to boot)

6. Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

7. Re: door opener actuators
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

8. Re: New Frame
From: Bob Brandys <>

9. NV, CA visit, owners?

10. door lights

11. Anyone interested in Flux Capacitor replicas for sale?
From: "Casey Putsch" <>

12. Idler Pully Bearings
From: "dherv10" <>

13. Idler pully bearings
From: "dherv10" <>

14. Re: DeLorean Decals
From: Josh Haldeman <>

15. Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold
From: "khyron_21502" <>

16. Doors Up/Doors Down
From: Watkins Family <>

17. Re: DeLorean Decals
From: "tp8534" <>

18. RE: AC Panel (and Misc.) illumination
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

19. Window switch will not mount correctly in console
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

20. Re: DeLorean Replicas?

21. Re: Possible Frozen Fuel Gauge

22. Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

23. Re: DeLorean Replicas?
From: "Ed Garbade" <>

24. ADMIN: Monthly Reminder
From: "David Swingle" <>

25. Back To The Future Pinball Machine
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:05:45 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <>
Subject: Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

That's not the Mid-Atlantic site. You're thinking of the Mid-State DeLorean

Mark Noeltner
VIN 6820

At 01:32 AM 3/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>BTW, what happened to the parts-for-sale area of the Mid-Atlantic DMC site?
>I can understand them not wanting to sell brackets to compete with Houston,
>but what happened to all the other cool stuff like the stainless steel
>braded brake lines & such?


Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:25:02 EST
Subject: Re: RE: door opener actuators

       I have read your thread about the door opener but I don't fully 
understand the system.  Are we talking "door launcher" here?  I need more a 
complete discription of the system, if you're talking about a launcher 
       Don # 6860


Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:28:52 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold

> i'm not sure what you mean by the "Y-pipe".

I'm talking about that loopy looking set of air pipes in the front of the
engine that some people call the "ram horns".  I've been e-mailed photos of
what they look like after they have been polished.  In the photos, they look
like chrome to me.

By the way, that extrudehone web site is very impressive.  I'm wondering
what it would cost to have them do some of the PRV parts.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 4
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:51:38 -0800
From: "Joe Thome" <>
Subject: Re: James...the magazine?


After three e-mails to DMC Houston over about a two-week period with the same question to them and no response I decided to call them and a woman who identified herself as Lisa said the second edition is about to be released. She didn't specify exactly when and I didn't ask her but the impression I got with
within a few days. I'm guessing but think they have probably just been too
busy moving to respond.

VIN 6467


Message: 5
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:59:04 EST
Subject: Re: A new alternator problem! (And a radar detector install to boot)

  John and others,      
   Current Ford vehicles (since 1986) are dependent on the in dash bulb to 
charge. Early models had a 500 ohm resister in parallel with the bulb and 
placed in the twist in type bulb holder. if they fell out or made poor 
contact, the alternator couldn't charge. It was the devil to fix if you 
didn't think (or know) to look at the battery symbol on the dash as part of 
diag.  What about finding a suitable resistor for the D and soldiering it in 
parallel with the bulb on the printed circuit (like recent Fords)?


Message: 6
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 02:58:38 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold

Porting and polishing will only work as part of an overall plan. It is 
used in the larger context of what is called "blueprinting" an engine 
i.e. making it as close to exact specs as possible, closer than the 
ordinary production tolerances. As such you do ALL breathing surfaces 
including the heads, and the exhaust manifolds. What goes in can only 
go in as fast as what goes out permits so you must work on BOTH sides.
Another point to consider, in some cases a rough surface creates a 
boundry layer that promotes mixing keeping the air fuel mixture 
turbulent so that droplets don't settle out in different runners. 
Making it too smooth inside might actually degrade performance. This 
is where many parts are made and tested on flow benches to see what 
actually improves things. Keeping crossection small also keeps airflow 
high which improves the inertia of the air flow. This is really no 
area to tinker in unless you are ready to spend $BUCKS$. A slip of a 
grinder and you wasted a part and it is really easy to go too deep too 
fast in aluminum. Polishing the "Y" pipe inside won't have any effect 
as it only carries coolant. The PRV-6 engine seems to be a very finely 
engineered SYSTEM so improving 1 thing will have a minor effect.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/1/02 10:45:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
> writes:
> > BTW, I'm also considering a different design for the throttle 
spool cover
> > that would fit UNDER the Y-pipe.  The OEM one just looks like it 
> > belong there and unbalances the symetry.
> > 
> > Walt    
> Walt, 


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 03:05:07 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Re: door opener actuators

For those of you interested in actuators and other related things I 
found an interesting website for remote kits, etc.


They also have a kit for one touch-express windows.
David Teitelbuam
vin 10757


Message: 8
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:11:54 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <>
Subject: Re: New Frame


I really like the PDC frame.
That is great to here that you are getting one. . What engine and trans upgrade are you
considering. ?

I hope that someday we can set up a slow shalom race and see if the SS frame also
handles better.



Message: 9
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:27:27 EST
Subject: NV, CA visit, owners?

    I will be leaving for Mammoth Mtn, CA on March 15th for a snowboard trip. 
On the way back I will be in Reno all day on the 23rd.  I plan on visiting 
the 24k gold DMC in the Harroh Museum that day before I fly out.  If there 
are any owners in the Mammoth Lakes or Reno area maybe we could get something 
to eat or perhaps meet up on the mountain.  drop me an email. 


Message: 10
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:32:06 EST
Subject: door lights

Hi List,
    I finally took care of most of the bigger problems on my car, so now I 
can start messing with the little things.  The passenger side door lights 
will not come on.(drivers side work fine)  I checked the bulbs and fuse and 
they are fine.  when I open the passenger door the door ajar light on the 
dash will come on so that means the switch is working, right?  when i 
adjusted the torsion bars I cleaned all of the contacts going to the door 
under the T panel so I think those are fine.  any help would be GREATLY  

Thank you


Message: 11
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:56:29 -0500
From: "Casey Putsch" <>
Subject: Anyone interested in Flux Capacitor replicas for sale?

I am thinking of making exact or very close WORKING (in the sense that the 
lights flash the same way) Flux Capacitor replicas for Delorean fitment 
powered by 12 volts. Would any of you be interested in buying one if I do 
this? They won't be super cheap but I think the price will be very 

Sincerely, Casey at

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 04:14:17 -0000
From: "dherv10" <>
Subject: Idler Pully Bearings

Group, I finally got around to getting the High grade Idler pully 
bearings which won't wear out as fast. These are the ones used in 
special application alternators and other things. We call them Blue 
Seal,EMQ. The normal Black seal we have talked about several times 
wearing out to fast. Well try these. Walt, I'm sure can appreciate 
them. They are on the front page of the web site.
John hervey


Message: 13
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 04:59:17 -0000
From: "dherv10" <>
Subject: Idler pully bearings

Group, Here is some info i found on the web about EMQ bearings.
John Hervey
Ningbo Ninghuan Twincam Bearing Co.,Ltd. is an enterprise which is 
specialized in producing miniature bearings, small deep groove ball 
bearings, water pump integrated bearings for automobiles, automobile 
bearings, rolling mill bearings and other types of bearings with high 
technology, named as Ningbo Miniature Bearing Factory before. The 
miniature bearings are the bore diameter ranging from 3 to 12mm
(Metric series) or 1/8" to 1/2" (Inch Series). Our company pocesses 
modern equipment and advanced technology. Our products are high 
precision, long life and steadily reliability with strict quality 
control system according to the standard ISO9000. 

Recently, we has been developed a new series of NII bearings which 
are conformed to the EMQ electric motor's quality standard and could 
be running in higher speed, more load and lower noise. The water pump 
integrated bearings for automobiles include the structure of double 
row balls, single row balls and single row rollers and as well 
asangular contact. The fatigue life of the water pump integrated 
bearings on rack testing rig which is specially designed for them 
reached more than 2000 hours and fitted on automobiles, which ran 150 
thousands kilometers, the products were still in good condition 
(measured by USA users). Our products sell well in domestic markets 
and other countries such as USA, West-Europe, East & South Asia, etc
This tells a little more about bearings.


Message: 14
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:07:29 -0500
From: Josh Haldeman <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Decals

Hi Scott and Group,
    You might remember Scott Soenksen from Florida did this to his car awhile back.  That
car now belongs to my Dad, but Scott gave me a picture of his's on my website
at the following address:

He also tried just "DMC" which can be seen here:

I have to apologize for that last one...what a horrible picture of me! (haha)  We ended
up having to remove the DMC after a short while, because the material got chipped and
torn in a few spots.
    Just thought those pics might help in making your decision.
        VIN 5102
        VIN 15964

Scott Mueller wrote:

> I would be interested in a windshield decal that goes across the top.
> DeLorean
> DMC-12
> either one of these would be acceptable to me
> They would look best if they were done using the DeLorean font.
> Scott Mueller
> 002981


Message: 15
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 09:50:34 -0000
From: "khyron_21502" <>
Subject: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> I've seen a photo of something like this on Don Steger's web site, 
but the
> FX makes it hard to see.
> Does anyone have any other photos of this or anything similar?  

The car in that photo looks like mine #3180.
I uploaded a picture of the engine before installation.
Its in the folder "Chromed" in the Photos Section.
I'll try to get some pictures of it in the car today if i can.

Chrome requires a little more maintanace as it gets dusty looking 
farly quicky. But its easy to clean.



Message: 16
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:23:11 -0500
From: Watkins Family <>
Subject: Doors Up/Doors Down

With all due respect to the list, I feel that the doors up/doors down
posts have taken an odd tone.   We all have our favorite display modes,
I feel it is not worthy of our list to challenge those that prefer one
over the other.   We are all proud of our cars either doors up or doors
down.  If DeLorean wanted the car to be "normal" he would have made the
doors normal.  He fought for the Gull-Wings.  So it is reasonable for
owners to want to show off this feature of the car.   It is also
reasonable to keep the doors down to show off the sleek styling that
makes the car so unique.   I for one spend time at car shows in both
modes......doors up for a few hours and then doors down for a few.   I
have also done one up and one down.
Lets not start an endless debate over an issue that is totally personal.
There can be no winner in this.


Tom Watkins
#005732   MT


Message: 17
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:44:58 -0000
From: "tp8534" <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Decals

     Are you sure?  This could incur a bit of a cost and a lot of work
to get it on right, and what if you don't like the results?  The
previous owner did "DeLorean" across the top of my windshield in the
correct font.  How does it look?  You tell me.  My car, VIN #16816, is
posted in the photos section under People's Cars.  What do you think?
 Granted, this car has so many DeLorean and DMC badges that Walt would
probably have a heart attack.  (I'm just glad those pictures are all
with the doors closed so I won't have to hear another post about it. 
Wouldn't want to be responsible for that.)  Yep, it's a bit much with
everything, but does the windshield sticker really look good to you? 
Honestly I don't care for it.  I am going to leave it on for a while
as right now it definitely is unique.  I don't think it will ever grow
on me but I am going to give it a chance.  I never would have done it
if given the opportunity, but I know everyone is different.  Just want
to make sure everyone knows what this will look like.

VIN #10365
VIN #16816


Message: 18
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:26:50 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: RE: AC Panel (and Misc.) illumination

Walt, (and anyone else who has info on this)

I just put my new console in yesterday, and I too am noticing the light
shine thru the edges of hte AC control panel (and it never used to).

Is this maybe becuase the lights on the back of the panel are pushed thru
more now then originally (I think they were slightly recessed into the
sockets, and when i reinstalled them, i pushed them all the way in)

Just wondering...

THis is really bothering me!  DO you think painting the edges black will


Message: 19
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:29:05 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: Window switch will not mount correctly in console

I put my console back together after installing my radio, and oddly enough,
my driver side window switch will not mount into its socket, unless i turn
it 180 degrees!  Then, the passenger and driver button are oposite!

The passenger one is mounted correctly, and works as it always did, but the
driver side one will not push into place, and "pops" up.   Any ideas?


Message: 20
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:24:27 EST
Subject: Re: DeLorean Replicas?

In a message dated 3/2/02 7:25:44 PM Central Standard Time, writes:

>    I'm doing everything I can to find a DeLorean running or not that 
> is around central Arkansas,or around the state but I can't seem to 
> have any luck. although there is a Briklin for sale about 10 miles 
> from my house.Mmmm...I kind of got off the subject.Well, if anybody 
> has any info about the replicas please respond. 
>                     Thanks alot,
>                           Porterhouse

the reason you can't find a replica of a DeLorean is because you can own the 
real thing for less than a new domestic car!  my advice is to save your money 
and wait until you are a little older before you buy a rare car like a 
DeLorean or a Bricklin.  it will probably spend more time in the garage than 
taking you where you need to be like your job or school (unless you pay more 
for one in good condition).  unless you have any special circumstances, i 
would not buy a non-running DeLorean if i were only 16 again.  

just my advice!  i'm 19 and i own one but it has put me into a lot of debt.  
not to say that i don't enjoy owing money for something so sweet!

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:38:20 EST
Subject: Re: Possible Frozen Fuel Gauge

In a message dated 2/28/02 10:34:13 PM Central Standard Time, writes:

> This is the first car I've seen where the fuel guage works continuously, 
> even when the
> engine's off. (note to self: check wiring diagram....)
> Martin


Mine doesn't work continuously!  if you go to the gas station and fill up on 
empty, you have to put the key to 'on' before the gauge will go up.  my 
sender is OEM.

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:52:13 EST
Subject: Re: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

In a message dated 3/2/02 7:04:44 PM Central Standard Time, 

> BTW, what happened to the parts-for-sale area of the Mid-Atlantic DMC site?
> I can understand them not wanting to sell brackets to compete with Houston,
> but what happened to all the other cool stuff like the stainless steel
> braded brake lines &

you must mean the Midstate DMC Club.  they have all that stuff!

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0500
From: "Ed Garbade" <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Replicas?

Not to burst your bubble but you really need to look into the cost of any 
replica.  Just talked to someone that did a Hummer.  Kit was $6k.  Then he 
decided he wanted doors (something I consider nice to have and frankly a 
Delorean with no doors would be silly), etc...  Final price $12k to the 
manufacturer.  Then he had to buy the local misc. parts, sacrificial 
vehicle, etc… and the final price was about $30k and the better part of a 
year to build.


--orig msg---
...since I can't afford a refurbeshed DeLorean or a mid
contition one I was wondering if anyone knows of a web-site in where I could 
maybe find a replica car.
                     Thanks alot,

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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:55:52 -0600
From: "David Swingle" <>
Subject: ADMIN: Monthly Reminder

Time for the Moderator's monthly spam....

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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:49:35 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <>
Subject: Back To The Future Pinball Machine

I just posted an add on the DMC for a BTTF Pinball machine. It is very 
clean and I wanted to offer the members of the DML and the DMCnews 
first chance at it. It is at the parts and memorabilia section or you 
can E-mail me or call 201-659-1680 Dave-Daytime. I plan to bring it to 
the Dust-Off event in April in New Jersey if it isn't sold by then for 
everyone to see and play on (and buy!).
david Teitelbaum
vin 10757


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