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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Another DeLorean in a movie..
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

2. Re: A new alternator problem! (And a radar detector install to boot)

3. Re: DeLorean replicas
From: Farrar Hudkins <>

4. Re: Anyone interested in Flux Capacitor replicas for sale?
From: "Joseph Molino" <>

5. RE: Window switch will not mount correctly in console
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

6. Car Museums?
From: "ian" <>

7. Re: Another DeLorean in a movie..
From: Christian Williams <>

8. RE: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

9. RE: AC Panel (and Misc.) illumination - Update
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

10. New DMC Houston console and radio install
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

11. delorean car show looking for pictures

12. Re: New Frame
From: "dmcman82" <>

13. Re: Another DeLorean in a movie..

14. Re: New Frame
From: "dmcman82" <>

15. Re: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold
From: id <>

16. RE: door openers
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <>

17. Re: DeLorean Replicas?
From: "Sean Howley" <>

18. ETDOC get together next weekend
From: "Sean Howley" <>

19. Re: Front suspension - stuck on step two.... (got wheel off sucessfully)

20. Re: door lights

21. The DOA - Finances and Future
From: "Mr Copies" <>

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:19:19 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: Another DeLorean in a movie..

For those of you who track this sort of thing-

The BTTF DeLorean makes a cameo appearance in "Big Fat Liar".  It's on the screen almost twice as long as in "The Wedding Singer"

Amanda Bynes is laying on the hood of the time machine talking on the telephone... 


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:38:00 EST
Subject: Re: A new alternator problem! (And a radar detector install to boot)

Don, I have thought about the modification. I can build an alternator that 
doesn't use the light and it wouldn't be a problem (internally excited). I 
have experimented with the wiring of the car to eliminate the bulb, but 
personally, I would want the bulb as an and indicator that the alternator 
isn't working. Most people that aren't comfortable in wiring wouldn't want to 
remove the dash and retrofit a device or solder the printed circuit that is 
sandwiched between mylar. Just quite a few problems I would see. But it's a 
good idea and would like to peruse it future. 


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:58:17 -0600
From: Farrar Hudkins <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean replicas

I also looked for a DMC-12 "kit car" for a couple of years and I never
found one. Since then I've upped the amount to shoot for in the ol'
savings account so I can buy the real thing. Granted I was over 16 when
I even got interested in the DeLorean, and the only time I started
saving money for the car was after college. In my humble (pronounced
with the H) opinion, there's no reason to have a kit DMC because the
real thing is so affordable. I could understand, say, turning a LeBaron
convertible into a Mercedes for kicks, or making a Porsche out of a
Volkswagen, but that's because the latter cars are so expensive anyway.
Stainless steel panels alone would cost a bundle. Considering that you
can get a reliable, though not cosmetically flawless, DMC-12 for between
$8,000 and $14,000, it remains a great buy. Then you can fix whatever
problems you find yourself (from what I have heard and seen, it's easy
for even a moderately skilled mechanic to work on), and learn about the
car in the process. Then, of course, there's the bit about buying a
legend ... but I won't get into that lest this post be snipped for
rambling. :) But as I said, my interest in cars was developed later, and
in college I became not only interested in the mechanical aspects of
automobiles but also the history of the automobile, and eventually the
DeLorean in particular. (Although I must admit I'm a huge Sunbeam Tiger
fan, mainly because of "Get Smart.")

Speaking of college, it might be a good idea to figure out what your
higher education will cost you, so you won't have to sell your DeLorean
for tuition. That is unless you're lucky and your parents pay your way,
or you're an athlete and get a free ride. ;) Selling the DeLorean for
college costs would hurt, and it's better to sell it later when you're
buying a house, or when your wife makes you sell it.

By the way, for those who are interested, I've regained some feeling in
my left foot! Pretty soon I'll be able to drive a manual transmission.
Can't wait to learn. Too bad I only own one vehicle and it's an auto. :\
Maybe I should rent a stick shift to learn...

All the best,
Farrar Hudkins
New Orleans, LA
'98 Ranger XLT "Laggy"


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:55:26 -0500
From: "Joseph Molino" <>
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Flux Capacitor replicas for sale?

I would be very interested in the flux capacitor.  I am sure alot of people
would just so we could shut up all of those annoying people who ask "hey
where is the flux capacitor?"  Then you say, oh here it is sucker!!!



Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:25:58 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: RE: Window switch will not mount correctly in console

Never mind....I am a dork....Had the switches reversed or something....I
fixed it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Abato []
Subject: [DML] Window switch will not mount correctly in console

I put my console back together after installing my radio, and oddly enough,
my driver side window switch will not mount into its socket, unless i turn
it 180 degrees!


Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:20:38 +0800
From: "ian" <>
Subject: Car Museums?

Hallo DMLers,

Having seen David's post on his upcoming visit to the Reno museum I'd like
some advice from you West Coast DMLers! I want to know where there are any
good car museums on the West Coast!?

I am taking a quick trip to the States to pick up a motorcycle I have just
bought in Idaho. I will ride it back to LosAngeles via Seattle (yes, I know
its going to be COLD!!!) between 11 and 17March.02.

As an Architect I am in a 'working-group' in Hong Kong trying to get the
Govt interested in developing a Car Museum ... my rhd DeLorean (currently
being refurbished in CA) may even be on display! I want to take some photos
and present them to the Govt as precident studies.

Any pointers would be appreciated. David, any chance of a couple of jpegs of
the Reno museum facility!?!

Cheers,          IAN


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:29:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <>
Subject: Re: Another DeLorean in a movie..

I found a picture of this:

It doesn't look like it's the actual BTTF car, notice that there's no
cable wraps along the fender, etc. The plot of the movie seems to be about
kids going to Hollywood to take over a movie studio or something (ala Jay
and Silent Bob Strike Back). So I'm guessing that they just borrowed a
DeLorean so the kids could say "Hey look, it's the Time Machine!"


On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Marc A. Levy wrote:

> For those of you who track this sort of thing-
> The BTTF DeLorean makes a cameo appearance in "Big Fat Liar".


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:42:25 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: RE: Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

I spray painted mine with the wrinkle paint..came out great (pictures on
their way!)

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [DML] Radio bracket from DMC Houston...

Instead of powder coating the radio bracket, I wrapped mine in matching
leather. It really adds to the car I think.


Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:43:48 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: RE: AC Panel (and Misc.) illumination - Update

I painted the edges on my panel black.  It seemed to help quite a bit (still
not perfect, but much better)



Kevin Abato

-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: [DML] AC Panel (and Misc.) illumination

THis is really bothering me!  DO you think painting the edges black will


Message: 10
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:54:15 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: New DMC Houston console and radio install

Ok, we have been discussing this issue for a while now, but yesterday I
replaced my front speakers, radio and console with a new parts.  (a.k.a. the
DMC Houston Console)

If you look at this link:
you will see the new radio, and the unfinished DMC Houston Console, and then
see it after I painted it to match the original.  (Image # 191 is the
original next to the unfinished DMC Houston Console, and # 315 is both side
by side after I painted the new one.  The houston console is on the right in
both pics.)

BTW:  My wife Cheryl found it rather humorous to take photos of my trying to
replace the front speakers, so some of those are up there.  UGHH...what a

Anyway....let me know if you have any questions about what I did (and
yes...i cleaned all that crap out of the nooks and crannies of the center
console before I put it all back together)


Message: 11
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:53:53 EST
Subject: delorean car show looking for pictures

I am looking for pictures of John DeLorean for a project I am working on 
if you have any and you would like to share I would appreciate them
especially those taken in the late 70's and early 80's and anything with GM
I found very few on the net.

Also pictures taken with DeLorean owners other than the Cleveland Show I have 
a lot of those

please respond privately



Message: 12
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:21:32 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <>
Subject: Re: New Frame

Been there done that. I painted my entire frame with POR-15.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., wingd2_at_dml_a... wrote:

<SNIP> Personally, I still think POR-15 is the best coating method currently available for the Delorean frame. But that is just my opinion.
>   Marty 


Message: 13
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:59:26 EST
Subject: Re: Another DeLorean in a movie..

On the weekly Wall $treet Week with Louis Rukeyser, the acclaimed financial 
television show, Louis is seen with a DeLorean during the "Back to the 
Futures Commodities market update" segment. 

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack


Message: 14
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:16:05 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <>
Subject: Re: New Frame

Few concerns that I have: 

> I can't say this is fact or merely opinion, but I hear that part 
of the reason why the epoxy tends to crack on these frames so bad is 
because the frames are flimsy.

This isn't the reason that the epoxy flakes off. The frames are NOT 
flimsy it just the epoxy was coated on to thick and after so many 
years has lost it's ability to "flex" with the chassis. Every 
chassis is designed to flex with the car as you drive, no frame 
should be built to stay put. Same with bridges, buildings, etc. 
Anything which is exposed to force has got to be designed to flex 
with it...otherwise...SNAP!

> On the other hand, I've had another list member tell me that a 
stainless frame would be a really dangerous thing to do because it would 
rust anyway and be too strong in an accident.

Stainless Steel is indeed strong but brittle.

>As for being too strong in an
> accident, PDC claims that the crumple zones in the front are 
properly designed to absorb energy just as well or better than the OEM 

This has never been proven. Unless PDC has conducted some tests on 
it (driving the car insot a wall, etc.) then do not take the word of 
someone selling the product. I fear that since the Stainless Steel 
is brittle that it will shear/shatter/not crumple properly in an 
accident. Unfortunatley no one will find out until it actually 
happens to someone.

>After removing bent bolts from two cars, I certainly wasn't excited 
about putting the same kind of bolt back on.  (May God richly bless Toby!  That 
man may be responsible for saving some lives already.)  I don't feel that I 
am wasting any money on this car.

The original bolts bent because they may have "rode out". Meaning 
the nut loosened causing  some slack. It is recomended to double nut 
the bolts to eliminate this problem. Although seeing as Toby came up 
with stronger ones that would be even better ;).

As for painting the Stainless steel you would not be able to do that 
unless you acid etched the stainless before hand to prep it.

I went a different route...I sand blasted my old frame and recoated 
it with POR-15 paint. Saved ALOT of money and the frame will be 
around another 20+ years. Every rodder and restorer I've spoken too 
swears by POR-15...used it on every one of their projects. It will 
flex with the chassis and will NOT crack and it will not chip. If a 
chip does occer then the rust will only appear where the metal is 
exposed and not travel under the coating like is did with the epoxy.

If you wanted to perform an engine swap then i would have saved the 
money you spent on the frame and went with an engine. If done right 
the frame can handle it as Darryl has proven with is Chevy engine 
swap and how the other guys proved with the caddy Northstar engine. 
If your front end was that badly damaged then you could have just 
simply purchased the front end extension from Rob at PJ Grady and 
replaced the old damaged extension. 



Message: 15
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:20:54 -0800
From: id <>
Subject: Re: Re: porting, polishing & chroming intake manifold

You tell the people at extrudehone that polishing the intake will degrade performance.
with all of their tests they have no loss in power due to this modification.

so what your saying is that the delorean runs at its best stock and that means stock air
box and air filter, i disagree. if you open up any part of the intake system you will
have a horsepower gain even if a little. the delorean has a small amount of exhaust pipe
that will hold anything back and the most restrictive part is the stock headers.

i have changed my intake on my last car and i noticed a big horsepower gain just by
changing the intake and nothing else. cleaning up the intake system on the weak 130hp
delorean will improve horsepower by doing this alone.

the prv was a finely tuned system for the 80's but we are in the 2000's and the prv is a
weak engine by today's standard.


jtrealtywebspannet wrote:

> Porting and polishing will only work as part of an overall plan. It is
> used in the larger context of what is called "blueprinting" an engine
> i.e. making it as close to exact specs as possible, closer than the
> ordinary production tolerances. As such you do ALL breathing surfaces
> including the heads, and the exhaust manifolds. What goes in can only
> go in as fast as what goes out permits so you must work on BOTH sides.


Message: 16
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:47:27 -0800
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <>
Subject: RE: door openers

Don asked: "I have read your thread about the door opener but I don't fully understand the system.  Are we talking "door launcher" here?  I need more a complete discription of the system, if you're talking about a launcher system."  Not sure who you were addressing your question to, but I'll give it a shot.  So what exactly do you think a "launcher system" is (or should be)?  I market a remote control door opening kit.  It unlocks and unlatches one or both doors by remote control; if the door is properly adjusted it will then open fully by itself.  Since it is the only such kit available, I have no idea where the "door launcher" terminology came from, because it wasn't from me.  There has been mention on this list from time to time of other companies working on their version of my door opener kit, but to my knowledge none have yet been offered to the public.  Maybe one of them will use the "launcher" term, but I for one don't care for it.  I just want the doors to open, not get launched into outer space.  

As a footnote, in the street rod and custom car world there is something available called a "door launcher".  It is simply a spring-loaded plunger that helps open the door when it is unlatched by remote control, something unnecessary with our cars.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:26:19 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Replicas?

This question comes up from time to time.  The common (and probably best)
response is that a DeLorean original will cost less to purchase (and in
almost any condition including the ones sold by Houston) than a replica
would cost to build.  It is this reason that there are no replicas out there
of our cars.  In fact, of all of the kit cars available, they will pretty
much fall into two categories:  (1) kits based on actual cars - Lambos,
Ferrari, Hummers (as mentioned before), specialty exotics, etc. and (2) kits
of original design (ie. not based on an actual car).  If you look into kits
available today (based on actual cars) as well as kits from companies that
have long since gone away, they are based on cars that are out of the
monetary reach of most people or are in such short supply (and extreme cost)
that any that are around are nailed to the floor of the museum they are
sitting in.  As far as cost is concerned, there is no way that a kit version
of our car would be less expensive - even with fiberglass panels.

I am currently finishing up a kit myself of a Porsche 550 Spyder.
Initially, I had 4 choices of suppliers with 3 having cars that would cost
me approx. 18k - 20k for the kit - not including assembly, paint, engine,
transmission, gauges, ...  The forth was 7k for essentially the same thing
as above minus the frame which I had to supply (it is a VW bug '73).  I did
some detailed calculations and came to the conclusion that it would cost me
about 16k to finish including paint.  Right now (a year later and this is
working on it all of the time), I believe that I am about 2-3 months away
from it being 100% complete and am well above 21k - I still have not
purchased any paint or equipment to do the painting (I will be painting it
myself).  This is all from a kit that is advertised as the "easiest to build
Spyder" which makes me wonder about how difficult the other 3 kits would
have been.

If a kit is what you are wanting to start with that fashions gull wing style
doors, look into a Bradley GT which you can perpetually find on ebay in
their kit car section.  These cars will run you about 5k max for a good
running car with the gull wings.  There are several others out there too.
If you are interested in building your own, look into Kit Car magazine.
Every September or November (I think), the magazine has an issue dedicated
to all kit cars available new today.  It is a great source for info as is
the Kit Car web site

I hope this helps,

Sean Howley


Message: 18
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:42:46 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <>
Subject: ETDOC get together next weekend

Aaron and I did a test run of the course today and we thought that we would make a couple of suggestion (through the list) to anyone who plans on attending - I expect to see a lot of you there!  On Sat. evening after we check into the hotel (and after all of the dyno testing is finished), we will take the Hotel shuttle to Gatlinberg to eat.  There is a potential that Gatlinberg will be chilly, especially at night, so please be prepared with the proper clothing.  Once the shuttle drops us off, we will have to walk about 3 blocks to the restaurant and then back to be picked up.  After we get to the Hotel, we will all strip down to our swimming suits (be sure to bring yours) and jump into the indoor pools they have there.  There are two pools and two hot tubs.  We will probably hang out in the pool area for a while.  We will try to wrap things up at a reasonable hour (not 1 or 2 am like last time) so that we can get plenty of sleep for Sunday - we will need it!  On Sunday, the drive will be pretty long.  If at all possible, when you arrive in Gatlinberg on Saturday, fuel up the cars then as it will be a very difficult task to fill up 10 (or more) DeLo's at the same time on Sunday without breaking into smaller groups.  We need to try to stay together.  The drive will be approx. 80 miles from beginning to end.  The best part about the 80 miles is that a majority of them will be on curvy roads in the mountains (hence the good sleep).  The funnest part of the drive will be the last 25 miles - the Dragon!  Once the drive is complete, we will continue to a restaurant where we will eat and wrap things up.  We will prepare maps for everyone and will be stopping at a few places for photo ops, confirming that everyone that is supposed to be there is, and in one particular situation, we will be stopping at an overlook that will blow your minds!  Anyway, when we are all together at the Hotel, we will go over the specifics and hand out the maps.

I can't wait for next weekend!  Make sure you bring your driving gloves, shades, and some good rubber!

Sean Howley

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:59:04 EST
Subject: Re: Front suspension - stuck on step two.... (got wheel off sucessfully)

In a message dated 2/28/02 11:58:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

<< How exactly do I seperate the 
 lower ball joint from the steering knuckle? I've got the nut off with 
 no trouble but it doesn't want to seperate! >>

Don't seperate the ball joint. No need. Remove the upper control arm pivot 
bolt and you'll have plenty of room to work. Watch that you reinstall the 
shims properly and retorque when reassembling.
Jim 6147.


Message: 20
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:01:59 EST
Subject: Re: door lights

       There are three diodes located at the left hand front edge of the 
console, on the drivers side. One is blue, one red, the other black.  Don't
cross up the wires, but take them out and check them with an ohm meter. At 
least one of yours is bad, I think it'll be the red one.
   Don  #6860


Message: 21
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:29:30 -0800
From: "Mr Copies" <>
Subject: The DOA - Finances and Future

Does anyone know what's going on with the Delorean Owner's Association?

I just received my Winter 2002 issue (with dues rate increase notice,
incidently) and was floored at what was missing from the magazine.

Namely.... the ads... there were almost none.

Take a look at the Summer 2000 issue:
There were 8.5 pages of ads by 7 different compaines.  Not including
classifieds or DOA's own advertisements.

Contrast THAT with their latest issue:
2.5 pages by 2 different companies... again this doesn't include the club's
own advertising or classifieds.

I noticed classified ad rates doubled....80 a word up 50% from a year ago.
Did the display ad rates jump??  or is the noticeable absence of advertising
a deadline issue?

I know the DOA is a great organization but I have to wonder if they can
continue to publish and ship a 40 page full color magazine with little or no
support from Delorean vendors.

How many paid members does the DOA have?   Does anyone have a financial
statement from the club?

Just curious.
Windsor,Ontario Canada


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