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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 936
Date: Friday, March 08, 2002 8:54 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Model DeLorean
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

2. Re: Re: New Frame
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

3. Re: Is there an easy alternator model swap?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: Real windows
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

5. Regraining Tool/Braided brake lines
From: greglinstad <greglinstad_at_dml_resrchintl.com>

6. Re: Drive Axles thunking?
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: RE: 140 mph speedo
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

8. RE: Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

9. Re: DMC Houston radio Bracket Question (and others...)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. deloreans magazine
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

11. Re: DMC Houston radio Bracket Question (and others...)
From: "dmcman82" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

12. Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>

13. Re: Yokohama AVS Intermediates
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

14. RE: Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

15. Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels
From: "dmcman82" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:24:26 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Model DeLorean

I spotted an item on Ebay, for any of you who would like a "6" DeLorean"
added to your collection....and it drives!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1711450826

Some of us in UK were sent some by a club  member visiting China last year.

Chris P DOC UK








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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:56:44 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: New Frame

> If your thinking of using a Porsche transmission why not install it with a
Porsche motor as well.

Shain,
I have asked around about this and the answer is that the engine is too long
to fit the DeLorean's engine compartment.  I hear it is a straight 6 which
makes it that much longer than a V-6.  Many people who have done engine
swaps have ended up cutting away part of the rear engine compartment liner
to make more room.  As a wild thought, I have considered extending the rear
of the car by making a custom longer rear fascia, but it makes a lot more
sense to just find an engine that fits.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:10:52 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Is there an easy alternator model swap?

> I just put in a 100 amp alternator from Summit racing. Black powder coat.
> 89.99 outright and no core charge. Also avail in chrome. This is a one
wire
> unit. No bulbs to worry about but you sacrifice the idiot light.
Installation
> required the removal of approx 3/4 of an inch of the back side of
alternator
> pivot casting.

I have heard of several people doing it this way before.  I even tried this
myself by using a similar alternator out of an old GM.  Honestly, I don't
like it because the alternator is not very well supported.  I'm worried that
with a lot of use, what is left of the front bracket will fatigue and break
off.  What made me so aware of this was by looking at how other cars secure
their alternators -- always with at least 3 points.  By your cut & hack
method, you are only using 2 points.

To make the installation more secure on my car, I made an extra bracket that
bolted to the rear of the alternator and met the other side of the PRV
bracket just like the original Ducy did.  But I ended up junking this setup
because the old GM alternator that I used performed just as bad or worse
than the Ducy I replaced.  It was fine at higher RPMs, but at idle there
wasn't enough to run the car with the fans on.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:26:17 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Real windows

Stephane France,

Yes, you can put real windows in a DeLorean.  I designed and put them in
my car about 4 years ago.  There was an article in DeLorean World
Magazine about them. John DeLorean also was interested in how this was
done since his engineers could not figure it out. He actually called me
about this a number of years ago and we discussed them in detail in
Cleveland.

They are costly since all the parts are custom made.  However, it makes
the car much more fun to drive since you can now leave the window open
and wave to people as you cruse around.  No more claustrophobic  feeling
and lots of ventilation.  Rarely need the AC because the SS reflect so
well and the hot air at the top of the car can now escape.

BOB






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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:42:55 -0800
From: greglinstad <greglinstad_at_dml_resrchintl.com>
Subject: Regraining Tool/Braided brake lines

List,
Since there has been some mention of the 'flapper sandpaper tool' and questions about it's use and location, I thought I would share some information I have about this tool. Our Club (PNDC) has always had one of the original dealership tools and have used it extensively. It is as described an air operated tool that looks like a shock absorber with a 'flapper wheel' containing many sheets of sandpaper attached to the end so that the sandpaper sheets spin perpendicular to the axis of the tool. This sandpaper wheel is available in various grit sizes and the one usually recommended for our cars is similar to something like 80 grit sandpaper. Use of the tool is relatively easy and does an excellent job on the stainless, however it is very slow and time consuming work. Care and/or masking must be done around plastic, paint, glass, etc. and of course only move parallel to the grain.
Anyway, a company that sells the tool and sanding wheels is the Dynabrade Company located in Clarence New York, 716-631-0100, or (dynabrade(dot)com). They probably have distributors in other states that stock their line of products. 
I don't know the cost, and the usual "no connection with the company bla-bla-bla" statement applies. I have seen advertisments for this and similar tools in Industrial Engineering type trade magazines.

P.S. On another subject, I just finished installing the stainless braided brake lines that I got from Marty Maier and the MidStates Club about 2 years ago (OK they sat around for a while, I've been busy). Let me say there has never been anything that I've done to my car that was so noticeable immediately. I never thought of the DMC brakes as inadequate, in fact I would say it has an excellent brake system. But after replacing the rubber lines with the braided stainless I was amazed at how positive the brakes now feel and how solid the pedal response is. I never thought about it before but there was always some 'spongy' feel or excess play (not much, but some) when the brakes were fully applied. Now there is NO sponge feel whatsoever, I mean, zilch. Well worth the cost, and installation was simple. Thanks Marty! 

Greg Linstad
Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club
VIN#  3507   120,000+ miles
Washington plate  "RUSTLSS"



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:53:20 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Drive Axles thunking?

On my automatic, I can grab the drive shafts and move them side-to-side just
a little.  I'm wondering if this could be the cause of my clunking.  I have
already replaced the TABs, and it still clunks in turns.  Maybe a loose
frame-to-fiberglass bolt hidden in a pontoon?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:45:49 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: RE: 140 mph speedo

Ok so if you want a different Speedo again. Take a look here at Mine. This
too is original....

http://www.delorean.co.uk/pictures/ps6.jpg

Cheers
Paul
#6463


----- Original Message -----
From: <shain_at_dml_elecmods.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [DML] 140 mph speedo


> Hello,
>
> Now that you guys brought up the subject of spedos,  in my car i have an
170mph spedo.  Is this orgional?  I have only seen models with 85mph, and
140mph.  It makes my car look cool,  even though i could never get close to
the maximum speed.  I just think it is neat that it is larger than most new
sports cars.
>
> - Shain
> #10140
>
> ----- In Response To -----
>
> To my understanding, they were a European item and limited to that market
> only.  I had two, one is in my car, the other traded for a car part, but
> available I believe, I'll forward you the email is interested.  They were
> not 're-calibrated' as some vendors now do with the 160 MPH.  Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DHughes030_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:DHughes030_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:21 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] 140 mph speedo
>
>
> Where can I find the 140 mph speedo mask mentioned in the "zine" article?
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:39:11 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels

A man in town here who has a million dollar body shop, formerly did QAC work
on the DeLorean in Portland Or.   He said they had a gadget sent to them
from the factory for rebrushing the bad places from either shipment or
damage......It was on a stand with wheels on it and the flapper brush
adjustable as to height.....they set the car level and where practical, like
on the sides, they just slowly and carefully rolled this stand along the
floor with the brush whirling against the body of the car.  I didn't ask how
they did horizontal surfaces like the top and hoods.

Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic: DMC-XII





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:24:48 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC Houston radio Bracket Question (and others...)

In a message dated 3/7/02 3:14:39 AM Central Standard Time, DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com 
writes:


> Now I've never used one of Houston's 
> brackets, but to me the smaller sized hole for the unit to fit thru 
> would be a whole lot better at hiding the rest of the radio behind 
> the bracket! It just seems to me that something needs to be 
> implemented to support the front portion of the radio.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
> 

Robert,

the reason most aftermarket decks stick out in the front is because the deck 
is actually built deeper than the OEM deck!  i had this same problem on my 
1990 olds cutlass supreme.  the dash wasn't deep enough for the deck and add 
wiring onto that, and it sticks out about 1/4 inch (after about an hour of 
working it in there).  luckily my Alpine cd player in my D is an acceptable 
depth because it doesn't stick out at all (other than the normal amount that 
ANY deck will with the faceplate).  i used a bracket i bought off of ebay 
which is an OEM bracket but it was cut for a single DIN deck.  everything 
worked out prefectly for me - it's all about which deck you choose, it's not 
the bracket's fault.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:03:15 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: deloreans magazine

Per James, last night, the magazine is at the printers, also noted, this
issue is quite a bit larger than anticipated.

Les




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:47:50 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston radio Bracket Question (and others...)

If the radio is a removable face type then no, you cannot move the 
radio further into the dash without making the hole in the dash 
larger. If it is not then depending on the radio you may not be able 
to move it back. If it has a sleeve then the sleeve depends on the 
DIN opening to clamp onto to hold the radio in place. Unless you 
come up with another way to hold the radio in place besides the 
supplied sleeve then that's how it is. All aftermarket radios are 
like this because every car has a different mounting scheme for the 
radio so the manufactures just supply a sleeve to clamp onto the DIN 
opening of the dash which all cars have.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> I didn't install the radio in my car, I had it done. But, my 
question 
> is this: Is a radio adjustable inside of the sleeve? The reason I 
ask 
> is this. On my car, the face of the radio sticks out farther than 
the 
> bracket, beacuse of the sleeve that holds it. So to cover things 
up, 
> theres a little frame that came with the unit that covers 
everything 
> up. Problem is, I hate it! Every car (D or otherwise) I've seen 
with 
> an after market radio seems to stick out beyond the console/dash. 
> While of course factory original always remains either flush, or 
> recessed. This is a look I perfer. It gives a more "stock", if not 
> professional/nicer appearance. Now I've never used one of 
Houston's 
> brackets, but to me the smaller sized hole for the unit to fit 
thru 
> would be a whole lot better at hiding the rest of the radio behind 
> the bracket! It just seems to me that something needs to be 
> implemented to support the front portion of the radio.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:28:09 -0000
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>
Subject: Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DHughes030_at_dml_a... wrote:
> A few weeks back a came across a site while looking for D stuff 
where a guy 
> bought a tool designed for this purpose.  It looks like a small 
electric side 
> grinder (but rotated a spool instead of a flat disc) with a flapper 
type 
> sandpaper wheel on it.  He had a link to the vendor but I didn't 
bookmark it. 
>  However, they are used in the sink and laboratory 
manu./refirbishing 
> industry. Try looking there.

heres the product you mentioned.

http://www.csunitec.com/sand/case_study.html

enjoy!




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:19:32 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Yokohama AVS Intermediates

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> I just tried ordering some 235 AVS's this past weekend from 
> Tirerack.  Got a call yesterday saying that they are out of stock 
and 
> out of production.  This stinks. 
<SNIP>
> Jim Reeve
> MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
> DMC-6960

That's odd... A while back I beleive that a list member contacted 
Yokohama directly, and Yokohama specificly stated that they 
were NOT going to discontinue the sizes for the DeLorean. It 
was other unpopular sizes from the AVS line that were being 
discontinued, but not ours. Now Tirerack.com may no longer be 
carrying the sizes we need, thus an uneducated phone rep may 
have haphazardly associated "We don't have", with "They don't 
make".

Next time, try a local tire shop, they should be able to get the tires 
for you with no problem.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:56:50 -0800
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels

It never ceases to amaze me that some people are spending a lot of time
money preparing and painting their cars, while others are spending a lot of
time money stripping and re-brushing theirs.  Perhaps trading cars or
stainless panels would be easier :-)

Does anyone out there have some brushed stainless panels that they would
like to exchange with Dan for his paintable panels?

Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com
VIN #5612




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:12:43 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Re brushing stainless steel panels

The site you were refering too that posted the link was 
http://www.projectvixen.com/week55-76.htm .The manufactures website 
is http://www.csunitec.com/sand/surfacefinishing.html

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DHughes030_at_dml_a... wrote:
> A few weeks back a came across a site while looking for D stuff 
where a guy 
> bought a tool designed for this purpose.  It looks like a small 
electric side 
> grinder (but rotated a spool instead of a flat disc) with a 
flapper type 
> sandpaper wheel on it.  He had a link to the vendor but I didn't 
bookmark it. 
>  However, they are used in the sink and laboratory 
manu./refirbishing 
> industry. Try looking there.




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